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Syria - why are we supporting the Islamic terrorists?

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Quote by herts_darlings1
wtf this todo with sw

in adult speech I think this translates as "what the fuck is this post to do with swinging"
And the answer is bugger all, if you want swinging/sex posts you go to the other forum subjects "lets talk about sex", "dogging", "lets meet up" or go to the chat rooms or send numerous mails out to others hoping you'll get a response.
The "fancy a chat" is the area for generally "vanilla" discussions covering any subject anyone wants to raise. I will admit quite a few of the discussions are political however the view points are generally interesting until some of the more mature members start bickering. I think of the "fancy a chat" forum as the equivalent of sitting in the pub nattering with your friends.
After all, nobody involved in the swinging scene has a point of view about anything other than swinging do they?
We don't read the newspapers, we don't watch the news, formulate opinions on any other subject other than swinging!
When we sit at home, the only thing we think about is swinging. We don't have jobs because we are too busy swinging. We only cut the grass when we know we are entertaining swingers in the garden.
In fact, if you have any other thought than swinging, whether it be on sport, fashion, politics, music, art, rural affairs then how dare you even think of calling yourself a swinger. Cancel your subscription at once go and be a rounded individual!
Yup nothing but screwing around innit
Quote by Jeffxxx_2009
wtf this todo with sw

My apologies Jeffxx, in hindsight you may realise this probably wasn't the best first post . . . . but welcome to the forums.:welcome:
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Yes, herts.
Those wilth longer memories will remember the use of chemical weapons by the USA in living memory so it seems a bit rich that they are all for war war with Syria.
The UK doesn't escape such attention either as they have blood on their hands too.

I don't get your point ? The UK has committed atrocities for centuries, my love of Churchill is also in the knowledge that had his tactics of carpet bombing civilian targets and civilians been viewed in the present he would have been tried and convicted of war crimes.
Almost every nation on earth has committed atrocities in their past, even the Swiss Army butchered civilians when they were hired by France to fight the uprising there (the French Revolution).
I think we are meant to learn from what we do, improve, change, make the world a better place and prevent others from making the same mistakes we did.
It can take a while, chemical warfare has been used since the 11th century (perhaps earlier) when diseased cattle were catapulted over city walls during a siege to contaminate the population.
So the fact that we did it not only means that we are right to tell others they shouldn't but also means we are indeed learning.
Yes the US used chemical weapons in Vietnam, we used it in WWI both in living memory, good that in that same living memory we can see us learning from our mistakes.
If we don't learn from our mistakes as a nation what hope is there to learn from our mistakes as individuals.
Many years ago when I first started studying history it was all about dates. When did this happen, when did that happen, etc.
Since then I have learnt that when is irrelevant without why did it happen? Who did it happen to? What happened after? and What was the context at the time?
We cannot sit here in 2013 and cast judgement on the past by our modern standards. Yes we should learn from the mistakes of history, but we cannot condemn the morals of people, communities, countries or civilization itself just because it doesn't meet the standards of today.
You're quite right Trev, we should learn from past mistakes and decisions, good and bad, and then change our ways to embrace the lessons learned.
If you don't embrace those changes you soon find yourself being left behind!
Seems to me that Syria has become far less news worthy since the crisis has taken a small step back from the political and military brinkmanship. Well that must really help the displaced and damaged populace.
Quote by MidsCouple24
Yes, herts.
Those wilth longer memories will remember the use of chemical weapons by the USA in living memory so it seems a bit rich that they are all for war war with Syria.
The UK doesn't escape such attention either as they have blood on their hands too.

I don't get your point ? The UK has committed atrocities for centuries, my love of Churchill is also in the knowledge that had his tactics of carpet bombing civilian targets and civilians been viewed in the present he would have been tried and convicted of war crimes.
Almost every nation on earth has committed atrocities in their past, even the Swiss Army butchered civilians when they were hired by France to fight the uprising there (the French Revolution).
I think we are meant to learn from what we do, improve, change, make the world a better place and prevent others from making the same mistakes we did.
It can take a while, chemical warfare has been used since the 11th century (perhaps earlier) when diseased cattle were catapulted over city walls during a siege to contaminate the population.
So the fact that we did it not only means that we are right to tell others they shouldn't but also means we are indeed learning.
Yes the US used chemical weapons in Vietnam, we used it in WWI both in living memory, good that in that same living memory we can see us learning from our mistakes.
If we don't learn from our mistakes as a nation what hope is there to learn from our mistakes as individuals.

So Jed, you did get my point after all...
Quote by Lost
Seems to me that Syria has become far less news worthy since the crisis has taken a small step back from the political and military brinkmanship. Well that must really help the displaced and damaged populace.

But may only strengthen the resolve of the opposition forces to use chemical weapons again against civilians whilst at the same time, blaming the Assad regime for the atrocity.
Quote by MidsCouple24
Yes, herts.
Those wilth longer memories will remember the use of chemical weapons by the USA in living memory so it seems a bit rich that they are all for war war with Syria.
The UK doesn't escape such attention either as they have blood on their hands too.

I don't get your point ? The UK has committed atrocities for centuries, my love of Churchill is also in the knowledge that had his tactics of carpet bombing civilian targets and civilians been viewed in the present he would have been tried and convicted of war crimes.
Almost every nation on earth has committed atrocities in their past, even the Swiss Army butchered civilians when they were hired by France to fight the uprising there (the French Revolution).
I think we are meant to learn from what we do, improve, change, make the world a better place and prevent others from making the same mistakes we did.
It can take a while, chemical warfare has been used since the 11th century (perhaps earlier) when diseased cattle were catapulted over city walls during a siege to contaminate the population.
So the fact that we did it not only means that we are right to tell others they shouldn't but also means we are indeed learning.
Yes the US used chemical weapons in Vietnam, we used it in WWI both in living memory, good that in that same living memory we can see us learning from our mistakes.
If we don't learn from our mistakes as a nation what hope is there to learn from our mistakes as individuals.

I agree, if you look at how things went in Suez, Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq then surely the lesson is butt out, nothing to do with us, we will only make things worse.
We have very sophisticated ways of waging war but do not have the will to examine before hand the effect it will have on the hearts and minds of those left to pick up the pieces once we have gone.
The innocent are still being made to leave there homes, being killed and abused, by all sides. It does seem inviting to lob a few missiles over there and that will be that. It wont be if we look at recent history.
The best thing we can do is offer aid and shelter to those who need it and as things are going, support to the Russian effort.
I agree that it is easy (and possibly wrong)to condemn past acts when we can only view them through 21st century eyes but even now we can only ever view events through Western eyes. Our culture, democracy and freedoms are rightly cherished. Does that give us the right to try and transplant them to other parts of the world? We were the ones who carved up the region in the first place making false borders so we could plunder the area. This took no account of existing tribal boundaries.
I reckon swinging in syria could be f*ckin risky
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I reckon swinging in syria could be f*ckin risky

Think it would count more as an extreme sport.
Quote by herts_darlings1
I reckon swinging in syria could be f*ckin risky

Think it would count more as an extreme sport.
no where near as risky as dogging in Dubai :huh:
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We are not supporting Islamic terrorists , we are supporting people who wish to rid themselves of the yoke of a murderous and oppressive regime. The fact that they are Muslim (in part ) and opposing an incumbent government does not make them terrorists. Fighting injustice and torture is not terrorism.

Any more thoughts on this statement in light of current events ? wink
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Neither the US, France or the UK will take any military action in Syria, I know because a number of people here in these forums told me so a few months back, they said that there was no plans, intentions, thoughts of a military interference by the West. They said I was an alarmist, warmonger and stupid for suggesting that it may come to military intervention.
So that's it, forget what you read in the news it simply isn't true lol

No we won't take military action, we won't take military action, we will not have a military involvement in Syria, ooh we are fighting in Syria wink
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No we won't take military action, we won't take military action, we will not have a military involvement in Syria, ooh we are fighting in Syria wink

Ok, I'll take the bait. I may be a little out of touch given my present circumstances, but when did we start fighting in Syria?
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It has been said that the only way to negotiate with an Arab is with a knife to his throat. This concept is totally alien to the west and we should keep out of it.

agreed :thumbup:
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Quote by Bluefish2009
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It has been said that the only way to negotiate with an Arab is with a knife to his throat. This concept is totally alien to the west and we should keep out of it.

agreed :thumbup:
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Wow, it may not be much of a statement but how ignorant.
It appears that any action we undertake against ISIS will be to not only protect the Western world but also to protect arabs and muslims, there is nothing wrong with that, ISIS is currently targeting more muslims than they are the West and it is good to think that we are willing to protect the decent muslims who will not join the ISIS terror organisation and way of life.
Perhaps we will even show some of the "undecided" that the West is tolerant of non-radical religious factions.
But ISIS have shown that our initial support of the freedom fighters/terrorists/rebels (use a label to suit your own point of view)in Syria and willingness of some to arm and assist them was as dangerous an action as some believed it to be.
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It has been said that the only way to negotiate with an Arab is with a knife to his throat. This concept is totally alien to the west and we should keep out of it.

agreed :thumbup:
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Wow, it may not be much of a statement but how ignorant.
I feel our intervention will do little to help anyone
Quote by Bluefish2009
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It has been said that the only way to negotiate with an Arab is with a knife to his throat. This concept is totally alien to the west and we should keep out of it.

agreed :thumbup:
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Wow, it may not be much of a statement but how ignorant.
I feel our intervention will do little to help anyone
i would be inclined to agree with Blue and G,a coalition led by the yanks will undoubtedly be another gung ho mission based on blow them off the planet first negotiate after, needless intervention dunno
Those that supported arming the rebels in Syria have gone very quiet, I talk a lot of crap but at least when it is proved that my opinion is crap I hold my hands up and admit to being wrong wink
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Those that supported arming the rebels in Syria have gone very quiet, I talk a lot of crap but at least when it is proved that my opinion is crap I hold my hands up and admit to being wrong wink

They haven gone quiet mids, i don't believe they use the forums any longer or are currently banned
isis
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al nursra
al shahba
al quaider
mujahadeen
western intelligence.
how strange that the democratic (public beheading in the case of saudi arabia) monachies of saudi arabia, jordan, arab emirates, qatar and baharain, bastions of civil rights in the middle east, join hands with the u.s. to bomb their own trained, financed and armed rebels in iraq and SYRIA !
the purpose of the creation of the big bogey in iraq and syria with the hollywood staged beheadings is to degrade (bomb) the infrastructure of the syrian state of bashere al assad to support the failing mercenary "free syrian army" that is neither free nor syrian.
the purpose is to overthrow the syrian regime and break the country up into failed smaller environs, that the b.p.'s, cheverons and exxons can steal the natural resources and facilitate oil and gas pipelines up from the gulf, across syria to turkey. these energy supplies from the gulf will neutralise the trade between russia and europe to further isolate russia, china and the brics trading block.
if you are confused as why one minuet we (our governments using our taxes) are supporting rebels to overthrow a sovereign government and then bombing them the next, its because, in concert the mainstream media has you spellbound. its all b.s. and propaganda serving a greater agenda.
the first casualty of any war is truth. the only problem today is that the two big fish that america wants to fry know the plan and are preparing to defend themselves.
Interesting account guls.
Even more interesting is the faux debate in the HoC last week, MP's recalled (so that they can enjoy a lavish tax payer subsidised lunch) at the same time as Cameroon announces that he is quite prepared to hide behind so called ' Royal Prerogative' to bomb the shit out of Syria if he choses to do so without further debate. I think at this point, most Honourable and Right Honourable Members were best part of the way down a jolly nice claret and certainly not in the chamber to mumble their usual platitudes.
Just how much did that little exercise cost, one wonders, in the name of democracy at a time when further austerity measures are being heaped on the tax paying class?
I said it before and at the risk of repeating myself too often, I'll say it again.
The west has no place in the affairs of the middle east. As the General Election draws closer, Cameroon will want to give impressions of being le grande empereur l'Europe - but is just full of shit and snot - in the hope that the great British public will be fooled into letting him have another term (helpfully without the liberal wank*rs holding him back from making a right t*t of himself).
Sadly, I fear the alternative far more... a labour government led by red Ed and his equally nasty and incompetant mates...
Anyone for tennis?
So the latest victim of the ISIS propaganda is a 15 year old schoolgirl, such a shame, a shame BUT she has made her choice and left to join ISIS, why then are the Met Police financing an appeal by her Mother for her to return to the UK, I thought and supported the idea that these terrorists would NOT be welcome or permitted back in the UK.
Personally I would let her back in and jail her for joining an illegal organisation because she is a British Citizen born in the UK, but her family were not born here and are not from an EU member state so I would kick them out.
Harsh, yes, but the only deterrent we have against the would be jihadists. They care not for what happens to them, perhaps if they thought their families would suffer from their actions they would think twice about joining terrorist groups. I would rather fight terrorism with harshness than terror.
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So the latest victim of the ISIS propaganda is a 15 year old schoolgirl, such a shame, a shame BUT she has made her choice and left to join ISIS, why t

She's 15, possibly indoctrinated/radicalized....and yet you'd chuck her in prison if she comes back without first knowing anything about her? Really? I thought you like all the t's crossed and the i's with dots on them? and yet you've already signed her off as a terrorist?
Her parents gave a heartfelt plea for her to return today, I dont care where they come from, I didn't give terrorism or Isis or whatever else a single thought, all I heard was a mother wanting/pleading/begging her 15yr old daughter back home safe.
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So the latest victim of the ISIS propaganda is a 15 year old schoolgirl, such a shame, a shame BUT she has made her choice and left to join ISIS, why t

She's 15, possibly indoctrinated/radicalized....and yet you'd chuck her in prison if she comes back without first knowing anything about her? Really? I thought you like all the t's crossed and the i's with dots on them? and yet you've already signed her off as a terrorist?
Her parents gave a heartfelt plea for her to return today, I dont care where they come from, I didn't give terrorism or Isis or whatever else a single thought, all I heard was a mother wanting/pleading/begging her 15yr old daughter back home safe.
Your right, she most certainly has been indoctrinated and radicalized, her parents too are victims of the Isis plans to recruit members from the youth of the world. but I don't care about her, I don't care about her family, I care about the thousands of Muslims being murdered in Syria and Iraq that refuse to be radicalized, I care about their families, I care about the family of Lee Rigby and the families of future victims of Isis in this Country and the rest of the world. She has chosen to go and fight with her extremist Brothers and Sisters in Iraq, I choose to live in peace with my Brothers and Sisters all over the world, but my family are Muslims, Jews, Christians, Catholics, Hindu, black, white, gay, straight, tall and short.
I am not Adolf Hitler or a radical extremist, I don't want to kill her for what she now believes, I don't even want to imprison her, I just don't want her back here, I want her exiled to the world she has chosen.
Every day muslims are bombarded with this extremist propaganda and their radical views, only a small amount of them allow themselves to be believe it, most are good law abiding people.
This is the 21st Century and we cannot "play cricket" anymore, we have to be radical without violence in our methods of combating this threat.
I want the law abiding citizens and visitors in the UK to be safe whatever their persuasion.
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I just don't want her back here, I want her exiled to the world she has chosen.

and
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Personally I would let her back in and jail her for joining an illegal organisation because she is a British Citizen born in the UK

Not sure you know what you want Mids...
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Personally I would let her back in and jail her for joining an illegal organisation because she is a British Citizen born in the UK

Agreed, after a trial of coarse
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Personally I would let her back in and jail her for joining an illegal organisation because she is a British Citizen born in the UK

Agreed, after a trial of coarse
On what charge?
The last time I looked being at war wasn't a criminal act, IF this is indeed a war. Check your geneva convention. Though if we are at war, then this is a dubious charge of treason at most, though committed by a minor. So in all essence probably a stiff talking to is the maximum she would get.
So has she committed a terrorism offence by joining IS? not really, has she committed murder? well if she has then its up to the courts in that country to try and convict her and punish her by the laws of that land.