Staff Incentives do help promote staff loyalty, Minx and good employers are well aware of this. Contrary to what some would have us believe, there are many good employers out there and no doubt, many bad ones too but that's no different to there being good and bad employees.
The thing about our "system", is that anyone can start up their own business if they have the desire but not everyone has that desire, many prefer the relative "comfort" of employment....so to anyone who feels exploited by their employer why not give a try it on the other side...and then do things the way you think they should be done.
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Quote Kent
"Anyone who thinks I am wrong is clearly and I mean very clearly, a wage slave."
A nice new label for those of us who choose not to agree with the mighty Kent. I'm not sure what it means though which is unfortunate as I don't know whether or not to be insulted.
Did anyone notice the shift in minumum wage today. A 40 hour week is now worth about £11000 a year. How is a single bloke sposed to live on that when rents round my way are £4000 a year leaving about £50 quid a week for everything else after tax. Mind you if he was a slave rather than a "wage slave" at least he would have his shelter and food provided.
Runs away and hides. :grin:
I notice your point but....Is the average wage now over 21 grand a year?
I do not mean to be funny but are the people that are on the mininum wage, less skilled than somebody on say 21 grand?
The mininum wage is usually paid for the less skilled out there, so somebody who has trained and gained a degree is usually at the higher end of the wage structure. If somebody wants or should I say has to work in Maccy Dees, or stacking shelves in Tesco, surely the wages should reflect on this?
That being the case the " average " person earns 21 grand, now that ain't bad money. Or are you implying that everyone should earn the same money as well?
As a busuness owner I have to say I am a tad above the " average " wage.
Quote by Max777
Staff Incentives do help promote staff loyalty, Minx and good employers are well aware of this. Contrary to what some would have us believe, there are many good employers out there and no doubt, many bad ones too but that's no different to there being good and bad employees.
The thing about our "system", is that anyone can start up their own business if they have the desire but not everyone has that desire, many prefer the relative "comfort" of employment....so to anyone who feels exploited by their employer why not give a try it on the other side...and then do things the way you think they should be done.
Both hubby and I were employed but we are both self employed now have been for around 9 years. we are the makers of our own destiny. We don't employ people as we do enough work to cover our overheads as we work from home. But what it does do is frees up time to do what we enjoy too which is work doing voluntary work within our community which to me is so much more rewarding than what I done for 18 years prior to that. I loved my job years ago and felt I was a valued employee but when they started stripping incentives we had to find a way to have job satifaction and a sence of worth, this way was the only way I could see out of what was then becoming the materialist society inwhich we have now, where most were out for self gain we opted out and although a struggle at times we are have freedom to do what we do now.
Quote by Theladyisaminx
Staff Incentives do help promote staff loyalty, Minx and good employers are well aware of this. Contrary to what some would have us believe, there are many good employers out there and no doubt, many bad ones too but that's no different to there being good and bad employees.
The thing about our "system", is that anyone can start up their own business if they have the desire but not everyone has that desire, many prefer the relative "comfort" of employment....so to anyone who feels exploited by their employer why not give a try it on the other side...and then do things the way you think they should be done.
Both hubby and I were employed but we are both self employed now have been for around 9 years. we are the makers of our own destiny. We don't employ people as we do enough work to cover our overheads as we work from home. But what it does do is frees up time to do what we enjoy too which is work doing voluntary work within our community which to me is so much more rewarding than what I done for 18 years prior to that. I loved my job years ago and felt I was a valued employee but when they started stripping incentives we had to find a way to have job satifaction and a sence of worth, this way was the only way I could see out of what was then becoming the materialist society inwhich we have now, where most were out for self gain we opted out and although a struggle at times we are have freedom to do what we do now.
Can you explain what you mean by that?
I am a tad confused as to what it means.
Quote by Theladyisaminx
Staff Incentives do help promote staff loyalty, Minx and good employers are well aware of this. Contrary to what some would have us believe, there are many good employers out there and no doubt, many bad ones too but that's no different to there being good and bad employees.
The thing about our "system", is that anyone can start up their own business if they have the desire but not everyone has that desire, many prefer the relative "comfort" of employment....so to anyone who feels exploited by their employer why not give a try it on the other side...and then do things the way you think they should be done.
Both hubby and I were employed but we are both self employed now have been for around 9 years. we are the makers of our own destiny. We don't employ people as we do enough work to cover our overheads as we work from home. But what it does do is frees up time to do what we enjoy too which is work doing voluntary work within our community which to me is so much more rewarding than what I done for 18 years prior to that. I loved my job years ago and felt I was a valued employee but when they started stripping incentives we had to find a way to have job satifaction and a sence of worth, this way was the only way I could see out of what was then becoming the materialist society inwhich we have now, where most were out for self gain we opted out and although a struggle at times we are have freedom to do what we do now.
Good on yer Minx, I have a lot of respect for those that have the courage to do their own thing.
Quote by kentswingers777
Staff Incentives do help promote staff loyalty, Minx and good employers are well aware of this. Contrary to what some would have us believe, there are many good employers out there and no doubt, many bad ones too but that's no different to there being good and bad employees.
The thing about our "system", is that anyone can start up their own business if they have the desire but not everyone has that desire, many prefer the relative "comfort" of employment....so to anyone who feels exploited by their employer why not give a try it on the other side...and then do things the way you think they should be done.
Both hubby and I were employed but we are both self employed now have been for around 9 years. we are the makers of our own destiny. We don't employ people as we do enough work to cover our overheads as we work from home. But what it does do is frees up time to do what we enjoy too which is work doing voluntary work within our community which to me is so much more rewarding than what I done for 18 years prior to that. I loved my job years ago and felt I was a valued employee but when they started stripping incentives we had to find a way to have job satifaction and a sence of worth, this way was the only way I could see out of what was then becoming the materialist society inwhich we have now, where most were out for self gain we opted out and although a struggle at times we are have freedom to do what we do now.
Can you explain what you mean by that?
I am a tad confused as to what it means.
The bit you have highlighted was a continuation of the materialist society bit.
You have asked me what I mean by that.
So these are my own thoughts by experiences I have seen over the years and not something I have read.
I have seen over the years people’s precepts of what is important within a society change from how we can live in a society and feel a belonging to shutting ourselves off from society and becoming closed. More people years ago wanted to fit into society to share what little we had to give or offer help in anyway we felt we can to others.
Now days I feel more and more people judge others on what they have more than what they have to offer to society hence my term out for self gain. It seems important to a lot what car you drive, what phone you use, what size TV you watch, where you go on holidays etc. It seems in a lot of circles the only topics of conversation.
I believe everyone should do something to help others if only a couple hours a month.
There is so much that can be done in our society to give benefits to so many for such a short time within our own lives. This wouldn’t interfere with our everyday lives and work, but most don’t see beyond their time or the benefits that giving a little can achieve.
Most hype on about spongers of the state, but there are other vulnerable people out there that need a little time, not money.
Time to me out ways money and the rewards are much greater
I agree that helping others who need help, is far more important than having a big telly.
But there is nothing wrong at all with having a big telly. Nor having a big car or a big house, or wanting a big garden etc......
I admit I am very materialistic but I cannot see anything wrong with that.
I love a gadget and I have a few, but I enjoy them and work hard for them.
As Minx said a lot of the problems lie when people put gadgets above people.
We have a couple of old ladies who are our neighbours and we check on them and do things for them, when needed. They know we are there if they ever need us, as long as it is not when I am watching me big telly. Joke btw for those who find jokes a bit hard to swallow.
But there is nothing wrong at all with having a big telly. Nor having a big car or a big house, or wanting a big garden etc......
I admit I am very materialistic but I cannot see anything wrong with that.
I love a gadget and I have a few, but I enjoy them and work hard for them.
As Minx said a lot of the problems lie when people put gadgets above people.
We have a couple of old ladies who are our neighbours and we check on them and do things for them, when needed. They know we are there if they ever need us, as long as it is not when I am watching me big telly. Joke btw for those who find jokes a bit hard to swallow.
Sex God
some thoughts both relevant and not......
Everyone in this country at least is to some extent a socialist.
The logical conclusion to the capitalist system is that all wealth and power lies in the hands of one the most virulently capitalist states realise this is unworkable and operate some kind of social welfare system.
Kurt Vonnegut once said that communists are people with nothing who want the others to share,capitalists are people with lots who don't want to share.
He also wrote that the ultimate aim of communism is for everyone to have their fair share and be happy,and that of capitalism is for one man to have everything and for him to be happy.( I paraphrase both times and apologise to his ghost)
I am a Marxist,the main reason for this is ..nothing else seems , possibly childish, but nevertheless true.
Ben you're wrong (different thread)The ragged trousered philanthropist is a brilliant book not only for it's dissection of capitalism but for it's humanity and prose.
capitalism is in and of itself an exploitative system anyone who profits from it is by default exploiting someone,wether it is their intent or employer no matter wether they're the most generous even handed humane person in the world is in a capitalist system exploiting their employees (shitty but true i believe)
Avoiding or evading any tax is a morally bankrupt position...what will your thoughts be when you have your heart attack and can't find a properly equiped hospital ??
Everyone in this country at least is to some extent a socialist.
The logical conclusion to the capitalist system is that all wealth and power lies in the hands of one the most virulently capitalist states realise this is unworkable and operate some kind of social welfare system.
Kurt Vonnegut once said that communists are people with nothing who want the others to share,capitalists are people with lots who don't want to share.
He also wrote that the ultimate aim of communism is for everyone to have their fair share and be happy,and that of capitalism is for one man to have everything and for him to be happy.( I paraphrase both times and apologise to his ghost)
I am a Marxist,the main reason for this is ..nothing else seems , possibly childish, but nevertheless true.
Ben you're wrong (different thread)The ragged trousered philanthropist is a brilliant book not only for it's dissection of capitalism but for it's humanity and prose.
capitalism is in and of itself an exploitative system anyone who profits from it is by default exploiting someone,wether it is their intent or employer no matter wether they're the most generous even handed humane person in the world is in a capitalist system exploiting their employees (shitty but true i believe)
Avoiding or evading any tax is a morally bankrupt position...what will your thoughts be when you have your heart attack and can't find a properly equiped hospital ??
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
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Avoiding or evading any tax is a morally bankrupt position...what will your thoughts be when you have your heart attack and can't find a properly equiped hospital ??
I don't think anyone has condoned tax evasion is this or the other associated thread and as for tax avoidance, my comments related to the avoidance of paying tax that companies/individuals are not liable to but may well pay due to the complexities of our taxation system. In other words, ensuring that they pay the correct amount of tax on their profits/income.
Sex God
I never suggested that anyone has condoned tax evasion merely stated my position on the matter.
Flower you may well be right about what the government would do with extra money ...but we'll never know until the cash is available
Flower you may well be right about what the government would do with extra money ...but we'll never know until the cash is available
Sex God
Quote by flower411
I never suggested that anyone has condoned tax evasion merely stated my position on the matter.
Flower you may well be right about what the government would do with extra money ...but we'll never know until the cash is available
We know what they do now !!!! There is plenty of money when the Americans want a crusade and there is plenty when we need to pay bankers pensions, but funnily enough when schools and hospitals need funds, the cupboard is bare.
It`s not a guessing game !!! We can see it happening before our very eyes !!!
That deals with the present government but what about the next one or the one after that?
Sex God
Experience tells us that we as a nation pick bad governments, but WE pick them, it's up to us to change it.
Sexlightened
A glaring omission from the debate about tax evasion is the millions lost through offshore banking and tax havens etc - the rest of us have to make up the burden for these company's infrastructure.
Checkout the Tax Justice Network website for more info.
Checkout the Tax Justice Network website for more info.
