The NHS is based upon free health care for all, except this is not true, as we all know we pay National Insurance tax on our income, and common sense tells us that the money has to come from somewhere, but is there enough money to support a growing population and an unhealthy one?
Should the following be adopted
1. smokers, alcholoics, obese etc be forced to have further private insurance cover to pay for any related treated to that issue.
2. To many cheifs and not enough indians? should the NHS have a full job evuation to all staff that are not on the front line, are there jobs for jobs sake.
3. Should all regardless of race, colour, regligion, immigrants have private health care insurance to cover expensive treatments and operations?
Food for thought.
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The envy of the world
I think the people around the world should envy the NHS. I mean sure its not perfect but if anything should happen to me today. I know there will be a team of people who would try and save my life without first asking if i can afford it or have insurance.
I do believe however that things will have to change to keep the NHS running. I believe we should think about charging for minor ops. E.g stitches, minor fractures. The charges should be set similar to prescriptions £7. It doesn't sound alot but if you multiply that by the amount of people that have all these minor bumps and scrapes it would help with funding.
So to answer your question do i think there can be common ground between ours and the US system. I think there has to be for the sake of the NHS. But i dont think it will work under any of the political party's i have the choice to vote for.
I do believe however that things will have to change to keep the NHS running. I believe we should think about charging for minor ops. E.g stitches, minor fractures. The charges should be set similar to prescriptions £7. It doesn't sound alot but if you multiply that by the amount of people that have all these minor bumps and scrapes it would help with funding.
So to answer your question do i think there can be common ground between ours and the US system. I think there has to be for the sake of the NHS. But i dont think it will work under any of the political party's i have the choice to vote for.
the only people who pay the £7 currently are those who are working,so again it will be those paying their ni contributions that have to pay yet again.
its about bloody time that the government gave some respect to the working people and ensured their health was taken care of, after all no treatment, they cant work and therfore less money coming in and yet another claim for benefit going out.
im not on a high income working full time and having to pay my way in all aspects of life, but when my take home wage is hundreds of pound a year lower than a person in the same situation on benefit and i still have to pay for a fucking perscription or dental pain ( so im well enough to keep working) it makes me rather pissed off.
the problem is there are probally more people recieving expensive free health care than there are people paying their NI. I cant even retire now tilli reach 67 as they need that input for 7 years longer than a few years ago.
sorry for my rant but its a very touchy subject for me.
xx fem xx
its about bloody time that the government gave some respect to the working people and ensured their health was taken care of, after all no treatment, they cant work and therfore less money coming in and yet another claim for benefit going out.
im not on a high income working full time and having to pay my way in all aspects of life, but when my take home wage is hundreds of pound a year lower than a person in the same situation on benefit and i still have to pay for a fucking perscription or dental pain ( so im well enough to keep working) it makes me rather pissed off.
the problem is there are probally more people recieving expensive free health care than there are people paying their NI. I cant even retire now tilli reach 67 as they need that input for 7 years longer than a few years ago.
sorry for my rant but its a very touchy subject for me.
xx fem xx
Sex God
the only people who pay the £7 currently are those who are working,so again it will be those paying their ni contributions that have to pay yet again.
its about bloody time that the government gave some respect to the working people and ensured their health was taken care of, after all no treatment, they cant work and therfore less money coming in and yet another claim for benefit going out.
im not on a high income working full time and having to pay my way in all aspects of life, but when my take home wage is hundreds of pound a year lower than a person in the same situation on benefit and i still have to pay for a fucking perscription or dental pain ( so im well enough to keep working) it makes me rather pissed off.
the problem is there are probally more people recieving expensive free health care than there are people paying their NI. I cant even retire now tilli reach 67 as they need that input for 7 years longer than a few years ago.
sorry for my rant but its a very touchy subject for me.
xx fem xx
No rant about it fem - Your not wrong.
I do believe that basic healthcare should be free for all. And to castagate against a section of society because they smoke or because they drink or are overweight. To me thats wrong, where do you stop? Maybe people who play squash or people who play rugby etc..
the two many chiefs arguement is valid because its true. I can remember a time, oddly enough most french (who are payed far less in comparison to their UK counterparts) Dr's still do, our Dr's filled in their own appointments and there were more Dr's and practice nurses, in the practice than secrataries practice managers receptionists etc. OK it may well be necessary to have more ancillary staff but we should look at why.
Do we really want a society of people all the same in everythng they do and are? History has shown us more barbaric ways of creating a race of beings all very similar and the free world rallied against such ideas. Just because the homogenisation of humanity is now being negotiated by financial imperatives does that make it right? Does it f*ck!
We are humans lets strive to keep the machine under our control rather than the machine control us. We should never mass produced in moulds designed for us.
The last thing we need to think about is where our healthcare is coming from. This along with basic education should be a right of all not just by those who are physically and mentally without issue.
This is in the wrong place aint it? Shouldn't it drop down one in the forum?
its about bloody time that the government gave some respect to the working people and ensured their health was taken care of, after all no treatment, they cant work and therfore less money coming in and yet another claim for benefit going out.
im not on a high income working full time and having to pay my way in all aspects of life, but when my take home wage is hundreds of pound a year lower than a person in the same situation on benefit and i still have to pay for a fucking perscription or dental pain ( so im well enough to keep working) it makes me rather pissed off.
the problem is there are probally more people recieving expensive free health care than there are people paying their NI. I cant even retire now tilli reach 67 as they need that input for 7 years longer than a few years ago.
sorry for my rant but its a very touchy subject for me.
xx fem xx
No rant about it fem - Your not wrong.
I do believe that basic healthcare should be free for all. And to castagate against a section of society because they smoke or because they drink or are overweight. To me thats wrong, where do you stop? Maybe people who play squash or people who play rugby etc..
the two many chiefs arguement is valid because its true. I can remember a time, oddly enough most french (who are payed far less in comparison to their UK counterparts) Dr's still do, our Dr's filled in their own appointments and there were more Dr's and practice nurses, in the practice than secrataries practice managers receptionists etc. OK it may well be necessary to have more ancillary staff but we should look at why.
Do we really want a society of people all the same in everythng they do and are? History has shown us more barbaric ways of creating a race of beings all very similar and the free world rallied against such ideas. Just because the homogenisation of humanity is now being negotiated by financial imperatives does that make it right? Does it f*ck!
We are humans lets strive to keep the machine under our control rather than the machine control us. We should never mass produced in moulds designed for us.
The last thing we need to think about is where our healthcare is coming from. This along with basic education should be a right of all not just by those who are physically and mentally without issue.
This is in the wrong place aint it? Shouldn't it drop down one in the forum?
lets remember health care in the states is big business, with their huge profits at stake, its no wonder the US health industry is franctically attacking it. There are ofcause problems, but the basic idea behind the NHS, that healthcare should be available to all regardless of income and status, goes the very heart of what is best about being British.
To pinch some of the words of the great american Abraham Lincoln:
The NHS is health care of the people, bythe people, for the people.
And we the people should be mighty proud of that.
To pinch some of the words of the great american Abraham Lincoln:
The NHS is health care of the people, bythe people, for the people.
And we the people should be mighty proud of that.
Sex God
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Steady lost !!! Somebody`ll be along telling you what a strange pedant you are
Must be something to do with common sense, it being left in here :lol: :lol:
Pedant!! I dont own a bicycle
F*ck aye your right though bloody hell!
Would be nice to see it stay n here though
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the only people who pay the £7 currently are those who are working,so again it will be those paying their ni contributions that have to pay yet again.
its about bloody time that the government gave some respect to the working people and ensured their health was taken care of, after all no treatment, they cant work and therfore less money coming in and yet another claim for benefit going out.
im not on a high income working full time and having to pay my way in all aspects of life, but when my take home wage is hundreds of pound a year lower than a person in the same situation on benefit and i still have to pay for a fucking perscription or dental pain ( so im well enough to keep working) it makes me rather pissed off.
the problem is there are probally more people recieving expensive free health care than there are people paying their NI. I cant even retire now tilli reach 67 as they need that input for 7 years longer than a few years ago.
sorry for my rant but its a very touchy subject for me.
xx fem xx
I agree i just meant it as an example and i would mean £7 pound for all white,black,english,scottish,eastern bloc, employed, unemployed. Every one.
I dont think my generation will ever retire at the rate things are going.
Most contries either adopt a low tax, but citizens have responsibility to make provision (US model) or high tax environment and the state provides (UK).
Now if you look at the Green Paper on adult care you will see that nice Mr Brown has a new way: High tax and expect the citizens to take responsibility for care!
Our NHS could be the envy of the world if the vast sums of money this government takes were actually used appropriately!
Now if you look at the Green Paper on adult care you will see that nice Mr Brown has a new way: High tax and expect the citizens to take responsibility for care!
Our NHS could be the envy of the world if the vast sums of money this government takes were actually used appropriately!
Sexlightened
The NHS is overloaded and cant cope with the amount of people needing treatment. 4 years ago I had gall stones, if you've had them you'd know how painful they were and I was admitted to hospital 5 times overnight in 4 weeks and had to spend an additional week in hospital. Now each time I went into hospital it cost £500 in an ambulance, so that cost them £3,000, plus I spent 11 days in hospital which was estimated to have cost about £300 per day so thats another £3,300. Total cost was £6,300 and yet I still had the gall stones.
However each time I was discharged I was told I would get an appointment through in about a year for a scan to confirm I had gall stones and then it would be another year before I could have the operation.
Luckily after my last overnight stay in hospital my then partner had just started paying for private health care and after a very quick calls I get an appointment a day later to see a private consultant (who happened to be the same consultant I was seeing on the NHS), and had a scan the following day. Within 2 days I was having the operation privately and the cost of the operation privately was £4,450.
So the NHS could have saved all that money they wasted on me just being admitted to hospital by sending me private in the first place.
However each time I was discharged I was told I would get an appointment through in about a year for a scan to confirm I had gall stones and then it would be another year before I could have the operation.
Luckily after my last overnight stay in hospital my then partner had just started paying for private health care and after a very quick calls I get an appointment a day later to see a private consultant (who happened to be the same consultant I was seeing on the NHS), and had a scan the following day. Within 2 days I was having the operation privately and the cost of the operation privately was £4,450.
So the NHS could have saved all that money they wasted on me just being admitted to hospital by sending me private in the first place.
The health care system in the USA doesn't always work as I have direct knowledge of its faults. A few years back my partner's nephew who was an American got leukemia. He was a 1st year medical student and had health insurance as did his parents. His father was in the police so had very good health insurance. He had all the treatment that was necessary, including finding a very good bone marrow donor in his brother, but regrettably died within the year as the leukemia was too virulent. We were staying with his parents just a couple of weeks after his death and I heard first hand his mother receiving dunning phone calls from people asking for huge sums of money that the Insurance either couldn't or wouldn't pay for.
I knew then and there what system I would prefer to be treated under and nothing has changed my opinion since.
I knew then and there what system I would prefer to be treated under and nothing has changed my opinion since.
Warming the Bed
I dont know how any American can criticise the NHS of course its not perfect but its a whole lot better than the system they have, Watch Micheal Moores film on American health care apart from anything else they take ppl who have been brought in by ambulance etc and when they find they have no health insurance they are taken and dumped in the street far away from the hospital whether they are in good mental or not.
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the only people who pay the £7 currently are those who are working,so again it will be those paying their ni contributions that have to pay yet again.
It's
And while a proportion of those in receipt of benefit get free prescriptions, the majority do not.
Anyone on a contribution-based benefit (jobseekers allowance/Employment support allowance (used-to-be invalidity benefit)) do not get free prescriptions or dental care. Only those on the income-based element of benefit get that: About 25% of claimants.
It is also interesting to note that the majority of prescription items cost less than the prescription charge. The majority of antibiotics cost much less than , the average cost to the nhs of a course of antibiotics is less than
The NHS was not set-up as a free service. It was set-up as a service the provision of which was free AT THE POINT OF TREATMENT.
Sex God
everyone move to wales its free prescriptions for everyone no matter what the medicine or your working status. but i suppose if everyone moved here that would change soon enough
Sex God
I know the NHS has it's problems and I know that I have from time to time moaned about aspects of it but when I saw this :
I thanked god that I live in this country and not there :cry:
This is graphic and extremely upsetting involving a baby so please do not watch if you know you will be offended by it in any way.
xx
I thanked god that I live in this country and not there :cry:
This is graphic and extremely upsetting involving a baby so please do not watch if you know you will be offended by it in any way.
xx
Sexlightened
Something of potential interest I came across:
The biggest problem with the NHS is that with it being nationalised it has to be run by the incompetent, greedy, dishonest shower of shit, the government. It doesn't matter which political party etc, they are all corrupt self servers. Politicians have destroyed heavy industry, manufacturing, and public transport, yet we are to believe they are capable of running our health service. Well they are running it, into the ground. Envy of the world my arse, anyone the world can turn up here and get free medical treatment at our expense. Groovy or what? Especially as we have to endure a postcode lottery for some of the most expensive treatments!
I'll try not to rant about this any further, otherwise it'll go on forever.
I'll try not to rant about this any further, otherwise it'll go on forever.
We already have "medicare" insurance, we just call it national insurance.
Even those not working get "national insurance" (they are credited with contributions)
Would you have us pay yet more insurance ?
Who to ?
The same insurance companies that, given a captive market of motor vehicle insurance, cannot make a profit ?
The same companies that pay extortionate rates to incompetent motor vehicle repair shops to make bad repairs for high cost ?
The same companies that invest money (retirement insurance) in dodgy mortgage schemes to make a loss and charge us more to recover from it ?
How much more do we have to pay before people get pissed-off about paying a lot for less than nothing ?
The whole insurance thing is yet another way those running the financial industry (the same ones who trashed the entire global financial industry. Remember ?) get to be so rich they forget how much they have, so have to bilk us out of more to build their massive fortune to be even more massive.
Crap.
We pay national insurance (average employees contribution per week) (employers about , per person), if the government cannot make ends meet on that HUGE "premium" then I suggest they get some smart kids to tell them that 2+2=4 and dump the prats in the treasury.
Or perhaps you want to pay NI every week and yet another amount to bolster a insurance industry wallowing in cash and inefficiency ?
Even those not working get "national insurance" (they are credited with contributions)
Would you have us pay yet more insurance ?
Who to ?
The same insurance companies that, given a captive market of motor vehicle insurance, cannot make a profit ?
The same companies that pay extortionate rates to incompetent motor vehicle repair shops to make bad repairs for high cost ?
The same companies that invest money (retirement insurance) in dodgy mortgage schemes to make a loss and charge us more to recover from it ?
How much more do we have to pay before people get pissed-off about paying a lot for less than nothing ?
The whole insurance thing is yet another way those running the financial industry (the same ones who trashed the entire global financial industry. Remember ?) get to be so rich they forget how much they have, so have to bilk us out of more to build their massive fortune to be even more massive.
Crap.
We pay national insurance (average employees contribution per week) (employers about , per person), if the government cannot make ends meet on that HUGE "premium" then I suggest they get some smart kids to tell them that 2+2=4 and dump the prats in the treasury.
Or perhaps you want to pay NI every week and yet another amount to bolster a insurance industry wallowing in cash and inefficiency ?
Sex God
It was interesting (to me anyway 
) that, when I spent some time in Cuba, the locals I spoke to were adamant that the UK did not have a national health service.
They took a lot of persuading that every country wasn't like America and that we did have free healthcare - free at the point of delivery anyway... I can't recall going so far as to debate National Insurance or prescription charges.
Anyway, I was led to believe that Cuba itself has a pretty decent health service. During my time there however I didn't have call to avail myself of its facilities, so I wouldn't know.
) that, when I spent some time in Cuba, the locals I spoke to were adamant that the UK did not have a national health service. They took a lot of persuading that every country wasn't like America and that we did have free healthcare - free at the point of delivery anyway... I can't recall going so far as to debate National Insurance or prescription charges.
Anyway, I was led to believe that Cuba itself has a pretty decent health service. During my time there however I didn't have call to avail myself of its facilities, so I wouldn't know.
