Cameron has promised a referendum on staying in the euro zone should he win another term
do you think this is a good or bad thing to leave Europe
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Not quite correct rob.
He has promised a referendum on remaining in Europe. The UK is not in the Euro Zone and likely never will be.
As to whether it will happen, two hurdles to address. The first is that the Conservatives win the next election outright - not a foregone conclusion by any means as traditional LibDems abandon their party and vote Labour and the UKIP factor taking centre right votes away from the Conservatives. The second hurdle is that Cameron manages to convince Europe to change the rules - itself not likely. If no change happens, no referendum will be offered.
Add to all of this that nothing will happen for another 5 years anyway - halfway through the next Parliament. A week is a long time in politics, 5 years a lifetime.
As for the question itself, it would be a bad thing to leave Europe, whether a reformed one or not.
He has promised a referendum on remaining in Europe. The UK is not in the Euro Zone and likely never will be.
As to whether it will happen, two hurdles to address. The first is that the Conservatives win the next election outright - not a foregone conclusion by any means as traditional LibDems abandon their party and vote Labour and the UKIP factor taking centre right votes away from the Conservatives. The second hurdle is that Cameron manages to convince Europe to change the rules - itself not likely. If no change happens, no referendum will be offered.
Add to all of this that nothing will happen for another 5 years anyway - halfway through the next Parliament. A week is a long time in politics, 5 years a lifetime.
As for the question itself, it would be a bad thing to leave Europe, whether a reformed one or not.
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Cameron has promised a referendum on staying in the euro zone should he win another term
do you think this is a good or bad thing to leave Europe
How can you play with the big boys without being in the club?
You can't affect / alter policy without being a member. so I will vote to remain a part of Europe.
as far as the euro is concerned though, that should be left to die. A common monetary policy is bad news as there a too many micro-financial markets and trying to make them all operate the same is just madness.
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Add to all of this that nothing will happen for another 5 years anyway - halfway through the next Parliament. A week is a long time in politics, 5 years a lifetime.
I believe it is yet another trick by a political party, to promise the electorate something and then make any excuse to go back on their word. Labour promised a referendum on Europe and then when in power went back on their word. Cameron also promised this when in opposition, and also went back on it as Labour had signed a new treaty with Europe that was now irreversible apparently.
If there was a vote of no confidence in a Government, a general election could be called very quickly indeed, so why a simple in or out cannot be attained before midway through Cameron's next term of office is baffling to say the least. Staling tactics I believe to try and win the next election first, and then lie to the electorate after being put in for a second time, as with Cameron there is always something more important. He tried ( unsuccessfully )to make gay marriages in church law, and seemed to find Commons time and energy into pushing these new laws through, and yet with Europe a simple yes/no answer is going to take at least another 5 years? Sorry I do not believe anything him or his party say. The Labour party has now stated that their party will never give the electorate a vote on Europe, even though previously they promised they would, which we all now know was a lie. I do not trust politicians to do anything other than what is right for them, and getting out of Europe is not something they will allow no matter what Cameron is now saying. All liars and thieves.
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As for the question itself, it would be a bad thing to leave Europe, whether a reformed one or not.
What for the UK to leave you mean GnV? Well coming from someone who left the UK and now lives in France, I would presume that you would want the right to vote for this even though you chose to leave this country? How ironic.
The Uk is a far bigger country than any other in Europe and I believe that the billions of pounds we spend on being in Europe could be far better spent on things that are in dire need of money, right here and now. I am English, I want to remain English, I am not a European, and I want us out of Europe and to concentrate on putting this country back on track. Making it's own decisions and it's own laws without any interference from unelected sources not based in this country. Remember we have another influx soon of Romanians and Bulgarians being allowed entry to this over crowded land soon, and how long will it be before the vital services cannot offer the basic needs of it's people?
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The Uk is a far bigger country than any other in Europe
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The UK is but a tiny island.
Of Europe's approximately 50 states, Russia is by far the largest by both area and population, taking up 40% of the continent.
If, however, you are referring to the EEC, since the breakup of the Soviet Union, the Ukraine is the largest country in Europe, followed by France, Spain, and then Sweden.
The UK is about one third the size of France but about the same in population.
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The Uk is a far bigger country than any other in Europe
:scratches head in :
The UK is but a tiny island.
Of Europe's approximately 50 states, Russia is by far the largest by both area and population, taking up 40% of the continent.
If, however, you are referring to the EEC, since the breakup of the Soviet Union, the Ukraine is the largest country in Europe, followed by France, Spain, and then Sweden.
The UK is about one third the size of France but about the same in population.
I did not mean in size GnV, I meant as in it's fantastic people.
For such a tiny Island GnV, we sure have some big balls, and have saved France's skin on many an occasion. The rest of Europe look towards this great country of ours, and they know that this is THE place to be.
There is nothing in this world that can compete with being an Englishman living in the greatest city on Earth. The problem is that being an Englishman living in that great city is becoming harder to find, and I have never made any secret of the fact I do not agree with Europeans being able to walk into this great country of ours at will. It just goes to show though GnV how great this tiny island of ours really is, as more people want to settle here than anywhere else in Europe. Funny that.
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Simply not true .
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we sure have some big balls
But small penis'
Ok maybe not at the top spot but pretty damn close.
That figures also has no bearing on how many are here that we do not know about either.
It matters not whether there are a million or twenty million, if we were not part of Europe this would never have been allowed to happen.
I have never agreed on the principle of being allowed to move or to work or to live freely in another country, without being able to prove you can support yourself on arrival, in other words not allowed to fleece the taxpayer of it's benefits. Is that also a myth?
The country is broke and yet we shall be having a huge influx of Romanians and Bulgarians allowed to enter this country at will. Will they all have jobs to go to? No taxis waiting at the airports to whisk them off to the local Social Security offices.
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I have never agreed on the principle of being allowed to move or to work or to live freely in another country, without being able to prove you can support yourself on arrival, in other words not allowed to fleece the taxpayer of it's benefits. Is that also a myth?
Well star, that's the point!
France (and now Spain) have that as a requirement. If you can't support yourself or you disrespect the laws of the host Country, off you go. Nothing wrong with that.
Pity the UK doesn't have the balls to do the same
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That figures also has no bearing on how many are here that we do not know about either.
According to today's news from the UK, there are quite a few more that you now know about :grin:
The UK Border Agency should change their logo to a leaky sieve.
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I have never agreed on the principle of being allowed to move or to work or to live freely in another country, without being able to prove you can support yourself on arrival, in other words not allowed to fleece the taxpayer of it's benefits. Is that also a myth?
Well star, that's the point!
France (and now Spain) have that as a requirement. If you can't support yourself or you disrespect the laws of the host Country, off you go. Nothing wrong with that.
Pity the UK doesn't have the balls to do the same
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That figures also has no bearing on how many are here that we do not know about either.
According to today's news from the UK, there are quite a few more that you now know about :grin:
The UK Border Agency should change their logo to a leaky sieve.
His dream eh?
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But, this is the non-sex aspect of the swingers, off-topic forum minx.
BTW, did you mean 'incite'?
I didn't see star's post as encouraging or stirring up violent or unlawful behaviour.
Thank you for correcting my incorrect spelling GnV.
I thought it would be unlawful to call another human a terrotist without the law deciding it.
Apologies I must be wrong.
The reason I mentioned the swinging bit was because I thought we all saw each other as humans. Which can do things that are stupid and foolish. I just never knew it was acceptable here to call people such names in a derogatory manner. I thought that only happened in a school playground not on an adults swinging site.
Again apologies for being wrong.
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Thank you for correcting my incorrect spelling GnV.
The spelling was correct, it was just the wrong word
I thought it would be unlawful to call another human a terrotist without the law deciding it.
Apologies I must be wrong.
No worse than calling someone a without them having been convicted as such
The reason I mentioned the swinging bit was because I thought we all saw each other as humans. Which can do things that are stupid and foolish.
Are you saying that swingers are stupid and foolish :silly:
I just never knew it was acceptable here to call people such names in a derogatory manner. I thought that only happened in a school playground not on an adults swinging site.
By all accounts, and in my experience from schooldays spent over 40 years ago, playground peers can be much more derogatory.
Again apologies for being wrong.
Regarding the picture above...
"10.3 Further to sub-clause 10.1, by submitting your contribution to the Company's websites you:
(a) Warrant that your contribution is your own original work, is not defamatory and does not infringe any law;"
I would possibly say that the picture is defamatory and whilst I would say that Mr. Blair is not inclined to pursue Symbios for damages but better safe than sorry.
"10.3 Further to sub-clause 10.1, by submitting your contribution to the Company's websites you:
(a) Warrant that your contribution is your own original work, is not defamatory and does not infringe any law;"
I would possibly say that the picture is defamatory and whilst I would say that Mr. Blair is not inclined to pursue Symbios for damages but better safe than sorry.
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Regarding the picture above...
"10.3 Further to sub-clause 10.1, by submitting your contribution to the Company's websites you:
(a) Warrant that your contribution is your own original work, is not defamatory and does not infringe any law;"
I would possibly say that the picture is defamatory and whilst I would say that Mr. Blair is not inclined to pursue Symbios for damages but better safe than sorry.
It's a picture in the public domain Stevie, and is frankly no worse than the demon eyes picture used by the conservatives years ago in an election campaign.
Just to clear up a point. When I said there ought to be a law against using certain images, I was referring to the picture of Bliar himself, rather than the context of the picture with the supposedly offensive placard :lol2:
Any image of Bliar makes me physically sick.
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There are lots of pictures in the public domain G. Making them public does not mean using them is correct.
I take it that's your arse on your avatar (I couldn't possibly verify it) and so your own original work but is the beret wearing frog in mine an incorrect use then?
It came from the public domain and you are not supposedly to use pictures including animals....
I think looking at my profile one could possibly deduce that the male person featured in many of the photo's was the same male as the "arse" featured in the avatar. If anyone wants to verify that the arse over there is the same as the arse typing...then you know where my inbox is... :-)
G, it is not a genital shot, if that's what you were alluding to and therefore I believe not in contravention of the site rules.
Your frog is not purporting to do anything sexual and therefore that also does not break any site rules.
G, it is not a genital shot, if that's what you were alluding to and therefore I believe not in contravention of the site rules.
Your frog is not purporting to do anything sexual and therefore that also does not break any site rules.
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Regarding the picture above...
"10.3 Further to sub-clause 10.1, by submitting your contribution to the Company's websites you:
(a) Warrant that your contribution is your own original work, is not defamatory and does not infringe any law;"
I would possibly say that the picture is defamatory and whilst I would say that Mr. Blair is not inclined to pursue Symbios for damages but better safe than sorry.
It's a picture in the public domain Stevie, and is frankly no worse than the demon eyes picture used by the conservatives years ago in an election campaign.
Just to clear up a point. When I said there ought to be a law against using certain images, I was referring to the picture of Bliar himself, rather than the context of the picture with the supposedly offensive placard :lol2:
Any image of Bliar makes me physically sick.
Just to clear up my stance on this.
I have no problem with images being created by a person and them using them.
The person I believe that created it is making the statement and point which I can debate and agree with or not agree whichever the case. I would still have a level amount of respect for people that stand up and are accountable for their own actions and create an image to reflect that even if I don't agree with their view or opinion.
To debate if we believe or not Blair was a terrorist is a whole different debate.
If Star thinks that by using an image that suggests that why not start a different debate and create his own image, instead of using something that is there already. I believe this is be, to shunt blame to the creator who's image I believe he has used.
So I would like to know, if it wasn't to incite hatred why was it used?
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I think looking at my profile one could possibly deduce that the male person featured in many of the photo's was the same male as the "arse" featured in the avatar. If anyone wants to verify that the arse over there is the same as the arse typing...then you know where my inbox is... :-)
G, it is not a genital shot, if that's what you were alluding to and therefore I believe not in contravention of the site rules.
Your frog is not purporting to do anything sexual and therefore that also does not break any site rules.
Sorry Stevie, I alluded to nothing of the sort. I'm sure it's a very nice arse and worthy of its place as your 'window on the world' of SH :lol2:
I merely mentioned your arse as you are the owner of it and therefore more than entitled to show it!
Hell, why am I getting embroiled in all of this? It was star who posted the fucking picture!
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Getting back on tack !
I think Stars post perfectly illustrates why the British public need to in possession of all the facts before undertaking a referendum. It is all to easy to read bias and propaganda which has no bearing on the truth. For a referendum as important as this real facts are needed, not sounbytes from pressure groups and biased sources.
Star says the Euro migrants are a drain on our social payments other sources say Euro immigrants came here to work and only % claim benefit.
Star says Britain is the biggest country in Europe others say that Britain is an insignificant country out of Europe.
Star blames Europe for all Britains ills and others say that Britain is responsible for its own political and economic failures.
Personally I have always believed that blaming someone else for any failing is almost always going to be the wrong thing to do. We get our own house in order and miraculously our problems will be solved.
I await the debates in the coming years which should be fascinating and will hopefully sideline the Little Englanders once and for all.
I think Stars post perfectly illustrates why the British public need to in possession of all the facts before undertaking a referendum. It is all to easy to read bias and propaganda which has no bearing on the truth. For a referendum as important as this real facts are needed, not sounbytes from pressure groups and biased sources.
Star says the Euro migrants are a drain on our social payments other sources say Euro immigrants came here to work and only % claim benefit.
Star says Britain is the biggest country in Europe others say that Britain is an insignificant country out of Europe.
Star blames Europe for all Britains ills and others say that Britain is responsible for its own political and economic failures.
Personally I have always believed that blaming someone else for any failing is almost always going to be the wrong thing to do. We get our own house in order and miraculously our problems will be solved.
I await the debates in the coming years which should be fascinating and will hopefully sideline the Little Englanders once and for all.
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Star says the Euro migrants are a drain on our social payments other sources say Euro immigrants came here to work and only % claim benefit.
I find this fascinating...if true that means that % of migrants are adding to the economy and therefore more than supporting the ones that claim benefit and supporting all of the benefit claimants aswell...
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Too Hot, exactly. It may be true that the majority of people in this country want a referendum on our continuing membership ( though I suspect that claim, like any poll is based on a tiny sample not at all representative of the national demographic ) but how many of those could claim to really understand the ins and outs of it all. Every single one of us gets our information from partial sources with an agenda, the kind of spin the likes of the Daily Mail etc put on this question mostly pandering to petty prejudices and a Little England mentality that I actually fear. The thought that your average Sun reader is gonna be given the chance to take us out of Europe cos of the kind of human rights gone maaaaad bullshit they're often presented with and do not fully understand, at all, fills me with dread.
That may be patronising, that may be me denying my fellow citizen's ability to properly take part in the democratic process but on this issue the whole thing is so spun to death it's hard for any of us to know what the real truth of the matter is, myself included. For that reason I'm happy to leave well alone, knowing my understanding is limited. I know what the benefits are, they in my view outweigh any downsides to membership, and certainly outweigh what is in the main the unknown quantity that is full withdrawal from the EU, and whatever consequences might follow from that.
That may be patronising, that may be me denying my fellow citizen's ability to properly take part in the democratic process but on this issue the whole thing is so spun to death it's hard for any of us to know what the real truth of the matter is, myself included. For that reason I'm happy to leave well alone, knowing my understanding is limited. I know what the benefits are, they in my view outweigh any downsides to membership, and certainly outweigh what is in the main the unknown quantity that is full withdrawal from the EU, and whatever consequences might follow from that.
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There ought to be a law prohibiting the use of offensive images on the internet.
I thought this was a swingers site, not a place to insight hatred. I am no Blair fan but I found that utterly appalling to be honest.
As a grown woman are you seriously saying you are offended by that picture? What really?
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There are lots of pictures in the public domain G. Making them public does not mean using them is correct.
I actually got the picture from a very good source in Photobucket. As far as I am aware they have very strict guidelines on offensive pictures. Obviously they think that particular picture does not fall into the offensive category.
For me I can see nothing wrong with it at all.
