Well maybe not an invasion, but certainly not exactly above board!
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Quote by Trevaunance
Well maybe not an invasion, but certainly not exactly above board!
irrespective of ones views on the Falklands, for the Argentine govt to put this together is pretty pathetic. They are obviously not looking to make any friends at the Olympics. i really do not understand what the Argentinian president is hoping to achieve by thio stunt and other attacks. One can only assume she has a very low poll rating and is clutching at straws.
That's it, that's about all they have, an excellent display of what they are capable of putting together to take the Falkland Islands from us, and that is it, nothing.
I feel sorry for Argentine athletes who are not going to get the warmest of receptions in the UK during the Olympics if thier sport governing body and government continue to use the games as a political arena.
Effect of this action, well perhaps a better idea would have been to keep sending war vertrans to visit the island and each could take home a couple of pockets full of the peat, that way they would one day have the Islands in thier possession.
He pretended to be a War Vetran to get on the Island, pretty funny since the youngest vetran I know is 48 next this month and would struggle to get into the Olympic field hockey teams, as this guy was only 4 years old when the Invasion by Argentina took place I think it pretty foolish of the authorities on the Island to have swallowed his story.
They will continue with stunts like this to divert attention away from pathetic political issus as Galtieri did in 1982 but they are as powerless now to take the islands as they were then.
It would be nice if the Olympic committee took some action against the desecration of a British War Memorial though and banned him from the Olympics, perhaps this would be a good deterrent to thier Governments use of sport for politics.
I feel sorry for Argentine athletes who are not going to get the warmest of receptions in the UK during the Olympics if thier sport governing body and government continue to use the games as a political arena.
Effect of this action, well perhaps a better idea would have been to keep sending war vertrans to visit the island and each could take home a couple of pockets full of the peat, that way they would one day have the Islands in thier possession.
He pretended to be a War Vetran to get on the Island, pretty funny since the youngest vetran I know is 48 next this month and would struggle to get into the Olympic field hockey teams, as this guy was only 4 years old when the Invasion by Argentina took place I think it pretty foolish of the authorities on the Island to have swallowed his story.
They will continue with stunts like this to divert attention away from pathetic political issus as Galtieri did in 1982 but they are as powerless now to take the islands as they were then.
It would be nice if the Olympic committee took some action against the desecration of a British War Memorial though and banned him from the Olympics, perhaps this would be a good deterrent to thier Governments use of sport for politics.
Sex God
I always find it distasteful when sport is used as a political tool
The IOC has criticised the advert and has contacted the Argentinian National Olympic Committee about the advert and received assurances that the games would not be used as a political platform.
According to the BBC website, Zylberberg was in The Falklands to take part in a marathon, no mention of pretending to be a war veteran,
Having watched the ad, where is the so called desecration of a war memorial?
According to the BBC website, Zylberberg was in The Falklands to take part in a marathon, no mention of pretending to be a war veteran,
Having watched the ad, where is the so called desecration of a war memorial?
Sex God
To those of us that have been in the falklands the desecration is as clear as the other 'monuments' that were shown.
Quote by Max777
The IOC has criticised the advert and has contacted the Argentinian National Olympic Committee about the advert and received assurances that the games would not be used as a political platform.
According to the BBC website, Zylberberg was in The Falklands to take part in a marathon, no mention of pretending to be a war veteran,
Having watched the ad, where is the so called desecration of a war memorial?
I think it was the stepping exercises and I also understand that it was a WW1 memorial.
The ad was in poor taste.
It was needlessly provocative at least and downright offensive to some.
Politics and sport should never meet. Go and watch some of the films on you tube regarding the 1936 summer games in Berlin to see why politics and sport should never come together.
I hope the Argentine team are not made the butt of any retaliation as it is not them who has fuelled this debacle.
It was needlessly provocative at least and downright offensive to some.
Politics and sport should never meet. Go and watch some of the films on you tube regarding the 1936 summer games in Berlin to see why politics and sport should never come together.
I hope the Argentine team are not made the butt of any retaliation as it is not them who has fuelled this debacle.
Sex God
Quote by Rogue_trader
The ad was in poor taste.
It was needlessly provocative at least and downright offensive to some.
Politics and sport should never meet. Go and watch some of the films on you tube regarding the 1936 summer games in Berlin to see why politics and sport should never come together.
I hope the Argentine team are not made the butt of any retaliation as it is not them who has fuelled this debacle.
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I feel sorry for Argentine athletes who are not going to get the warmest of receptions in the UK during the Olympics if thier sport governing body and government continue to use the games as a political arena.
I'll be cheering them on, and any other nation taking part. So please don't speak for me on who I would support or not
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He pretended to be a War Vetran to get on the Island, pretty funny since the youngest vetran I know is 48 next this month and would struggle to get into the Olympic field hockey teams, as this guy was only 4 years old when the Invasion by Argentina took place I think it pretty foolish of the authorities on the Island to have swallowed his story.
It was a Falklands marathon that he ran. He was filmed by American camera crew. I think it is foolish that you have not watched the clip and make this claim when it is not in the story.
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They will continue with stunts like this to divert attention away from pathetic political issus as Galtieri did in 1982 but they are as powerless now to take the islands as they were then.
Of course they will. They are the Argentine government and it is their job to do this. If they did not, then they are not being a government to their people. Powerless to take the Islands? They took the islands and the governance was passed to the Argentine until liberation. The winning back of the islands was by more luck and bluff than anything else. Even the Task Force military leaders from 1982 said it was a close run thing and it just needed one or two things more to go wrong and we would have been thrown back to the UK.
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It would be nice if the Olympic committee took some action against the desecration of a British War Memorial though and banned him from the Olympics, perhaps this would be a good deterrent to thier Governments use of sport for politics.
Desecration of a war memorial? Really? Running up a couple of steps and having that filmed. God help him if he burnt a poppy.
Dave_Notts
something about nothing in my view.
politicians always revel in there own pr exercises.
the way british politicians are speaking, you would britain had never done anything wrong. really? one word springs to mind for me,,, IRAQ.
for me i could not care less about an island 8 thousand miles away that we somehow own.
politicians always revel in there own pr exercises.
the way british politicians are speaking, you would britain had never done anything wrong. really? one word springs to mind for me,,, IRAQ.
for me i could not care less about an island 8 thousand miles away that we somehow own.
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I feel sorry for Argentine athletes who are not going to get the warmest of receptions in the UK during the Olympics if thier sport governing body and government continue to use the games as a political arena.
I'll be cheering them on, and any other nation taking part. So please don't speak for me on who I would support or not
I would not speak for you, I speak for those who have respect for fallen heroes and see this for what it is, I too will cheer for genuine athletes of all nations but not for this man who has shown sport and the British people such disrespect.
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He pretended to be a War Vetran to get on the Island, pretty funny since the youngest vetran I know is 48 next this month and would struggle to get into the Olympic field hockey teams, as this guy was only 4 years old when the Invasion by Argentina took place I think it pretty foolish of the authorities on the Island to have swallowed his story.
It was a Falklands marathon that he ran. He was filmed by American camera crew. I think it is foolish that you have not watched the clip and make this claim when it is not in the story.
I think it is foolish that you did not listen to the commentry contained within the clip which states "He claims he was filmed in March whilst passing himself off as one of his Countries war vetrans whilst taking part in a marathon with other British survivors of the 1982 War" how can you make that statement it is an absolute pile of crap
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They will continue with stunts like this to divert attention away from pathetic political issus as Galtieri did in 1982 but they are as powerless now to take the islands as they were then.
Of course they will. They are the Argentine government and it is their job to do this. If they did not, then they are not being a government to their people. Powerless to take the Islands? They took the islands and the governance was passed to the Argentine until liberation. The winning back of the islands was by more luck and bluff than anything else. Even the Task Force military leaders from 1982 said it was a close run thing and it just needed one or two things more to go wrong and we would have been thrown back to the UK.
Oh whoopee they invaded an island defended by a small Marine Naval Party and a virtually untrained civil defence force numbering around 10 men using armoured vehicles and thier best elite special forces backed by Marines, they took casualties and inflicted no casualties on the British. Yes it was a close run thing, most battles in History have been that way, Nelson at Trafalger, Wellington at Waterloo, The battle of the Bulge, the D Day landings, The Battle of Britain, the defence of Rorke's Drift, were all close run things, No army ever won a battle without some luck and bluff.
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It would be nice if the Olympic committee took some action against the desecration of a British War Memorial though and banned him from the Olympics, perhaps this would be a good deterrent to thier Governments use of sport for politics.
Desecration of a war memorial? Really? Running up a couple of steps and having that filmed. God help him if he burnt a poppy.
Some people see a war memorial the same as a grave, it represents much to many, and using it as a training apparatus is insulting, offensive and desecration, I doubt he would have done it had the significance of his actions not been his intention.
I think that if this had been a film of Rooney doing the same in training for a match the condemnation would be much higher, there are some here that will argue black is white just to look superior
Dave_Notts
Quote by starlightcouple
something about nothing in my view.
politicians always revel in there own pr exercises.
the way british politicians are speaking, you would britain had never done anything wrong. really? one word springs to mind for me,,, IRAQ.
for me i could not care less about an island 8 thousand miles away that we somehow own.
That's a little unfair star.
These people are British and are entitled to be defended by the Crown no matter how far away they are.
If the Falkland Islanders themselves self determine an allegiance to Argentina, then so be it.
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I think it is foolish that you did not listen to the commentry contained within the clip which states "He claims he was filmed in March whilst passing himself off as one of his Countries war vetrans whilst taking part in a marathon with other British survivors of the 1982 War" how can you make that statement it is an absolute pile of crap
That's not what the BBC webiste says. So which is right? You yourself questioned the guy's age.
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Some people see a war memorial the same as a grave, it represents much to many, and using it as a training apparatus is insulting, offensive and desecration , I doubt he would have done it had the significance of his actions not been his intention.
I think that if this had been a film of Rooney doing the same in training for a match the condemnation would be much higher, there are some here that will argue black is white just to look superior
Why on earth bring Rooney into the argument? Why is that anyone who takes a different view to yourself is being superior?
By allowing yoursef to be so wound up by the advert, you have allowed the Argentines to accomplish their aim.
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Of course he was filmed in March. That's when the Stanley marathon was run. He would have run alongside the current Governer of the islands and the womans race was won by an Argentine.
And the relevance of this statement is .........
I simply repeated the commentry from the link having been accused of not having watched it and being wrong in my previous statement about him having claimed to have been a vetran of the war (where as a 4 year old he was probably just a conscript and not one of the Argentine elite forces or Marines)
Quote by Max777
I think it is foolish that you did not listen to the commentry contained within the clip which states "He claims he was filmed in March whilst passing himself off as one of his Countries war vetrans whilst taking part in a marathon with other British survivors of the 1982 War" how can you make that statement it is an absolute pile of crap
That's not what the BBC webiste says. So which is right? You yourself questioned the guy's age.
I don't give a crap what the BBC website says I was accused of making a statement about the link having not watched it, yet I proved that it was not me that didn't watch it.
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Some people see a war memorial the same as a grave, it represents much to many, and using it as a training apparatus is insulting, offensive and desecration , I doubt he would have done it had the significance of his actions not been his intention.
I think that if this had been a film of Rooney doing the same in training for a match the condemnation would be much higher, there are some here that will argue black is white just to look superior
Why on earth bring Rooney into the argument? Why is that anyone who takes a different view to yourself is being superior?
Because people are here defending the actions of an Argentine sportsman whilst on other threads running down British Athletes for any actions they consider to be bringing sport or his team or England into disrepute, take a look at the new england manager thread for proof of this, an Argentinian athlete lets his team down and does something to offend others and he gets support with cries of "it's only a stunt", whilst British atheletes and sportsman are the scourge of the Country for anything they do wrong, there is something wrong with that.
By allowing yoursef to be so wound up by the advert, you have allowed the Argentines to accomplish their aim.
In 1982 Galterie believed the British would do nothing about thier invasion of the Falkland Islands, he believed Argentina could do anything they wanted and we would sit back and take it, me and a few mates showed him different, this week a few Argentines are thinking the same, and some here are going to sit back and take it, but not everyone
I tell you what I do admire about the Argentines, they do get worked up about things they believe in, they don't like back and take it up the ass because believing in something is so wrong and "making a fuss which would be so unBritish"
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I would not speak for you, I speak for those who have respect for fallen heroes and see this for what it is, I too will cheer for genuine athletes of all nations but not for this man who has shown sport and the British people such disrespect.
You speak for you only.
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I think it is foolish that you did not listen to the commentry contained within the clip which states "He claims he was filmed in March whilst passing himself off as one of his Countries war vetrans whilst taking part in a marathon with other British survivors of the 1982 War" how can you make that statement it is an absolute pile of crap
I watched the clip and the guy never uttered a word. The commentator states the runner claimed it..........but there again they could have claimed he was Bin Laden, doesn't make it true. In the papers and on the internet I cannot find any quote of him saying he is a veteran. I can find reference to him being an athelete and running in a marathon on the island though.
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Oh whoopee they invaded an island defended by a small Marine Naval Party and a virtually untrained civil defence force numbering around 10 men using armoured vehicles and thier best elite special forces backed by Marines, they took casualties and inflicted no casualties on the British. Yes it was a close run thing, most battles in History have been that way, Nelson at Trafalger, Wellington at Waterloo, The battle of the Bulge, the D Day landings, The Battle of Britain, the defence of Rorke's Drift, were all close run things, No army ever won a battle without some luck and bluff.
So they did conquer the islands. I rest my case.
Quote by MidsCouple24
Some people see a war memorial the same as a grave, it represents much to many, and using it as a training apparatus is insulting, offensive and desecration, I doubt he would have done it had the significance of his actions not been his intention.
Every day in the UK our own monuments are used for sitting on, resting on, paying respect and many other uses. Looks like we will have to ban the UK from the Olympics then, as the UK desecrates its memorials to the fallen daily.
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I think that if this had been a film of Rooney doing the same in training for a match the condemnation would be much higher
Relevance? The man can play football but his private life has been nothing but an embarrasment to the sport and the nation
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there are some here that will argue black is white just to look superior
Yep, I've noticed
Dave_Notts
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Because people are here defending the actions of an Argentine sportsman whilst on other threads running down British Athletes for any actions they consider to be bringing sport or his team or England into disrepute, take a look at the new england manager thread for proof of this, an Argentinian athlete lets his team down and does something to offend others and he gets support with cries of "it's only a stunt", whilst British atheletes and sportsman are the scourge of the Country for anything they do wrong, there is something wrong with that.
I've not read any post which defends the actions of the Argentine. I have read a couple of posts which suggest that some of the reactions to the video have been a little OTT.
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In 1982 Galterie believed the British would do nothing about thier invasion of the Falkland Islands, he believed Argentina could do anything they wanted and we would sit back and take it, me and a few mates showed him different, this week a few Argentines are thinking the same, and some here are going to sit back and take it, but not everyone
I tell you what I do admire about the Argentines, they do get worked up about things they believe in, they don't like back and take it up the ass because believing in something is so wrong and "making a fuss which would be so unBritish
So who's lying back and taking it up the ass?
Sex God
Would all those people who like the graves and memorials of their family trampled on for the sake of a politcal statement please stand up and be counted?
many people here have already talked about desecration, disrespect and such like. But I note carefully how well removed some of you are from this one simple fact.
That memorial comemmorates the death of one of my family, and I really do not like the thought of him being used as a step machine.
So please remember that this is not just about petty jibes between site members or even countries, it's about real people.
If you can honestly say you want me to train on top of your family members grave let me know asap and I'll save some special lunges just for them.
All that aside I will not be disrespectfull to any argentine olympian, however I hope they all fail. I do not support the acts of a country we are at war with.
many people here have already talked about desecration, disrespect and such like. But I note carefully how well removed some of you are from this one simple fact.
That memorial comemmorates the death of one of my family, and I really do not like the thought of him being used as a step machine.
So please remember that this is not just about petty jibes between site members or even countries, it's about real people.
If you can honestly say you want me to train on top of your family members grave let me know asap and I'll save some special lunges just for them.
All that aside I will not be disrespectfull to any argentine olympian, however I hope they all fail. I do not support the acts of a country we are at war with.
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Is Argentina and the UK at war?
So by exercising on a memorial it is desecration? Perhaps people should write to the organisers of the Flanders Fields Marathon who desecrate the hundreds of thousands whose names appear on the Menin Gate.
Dave_Notts
Extremist comments from one who likes to be controversial, no, he must be right, he says so. I agree with you Dave Notts, in future please note that I agree with anything and everything you say, you are a god amongst those that know everything and are always right, I respect you and your knowledge, your wisdom and your willingness to forgive all you choose to forgive and support you in anything you do, say or believe.
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I would not speak for you, I speak for those who have respect for fallen heroes and see this for what it is, I too will cheer for genuine athletes of all nations but not for this man who has shown sport and the British people such disrespect.
You speak for you only.
Yes that is true, history has shown us that each person only speaks for themselves including the Argentine government who according to someone here were just doing thier jobs (obviously speaking for theselves only and not the people of Argentian)
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I think it is foolish that you did not listen to the commentry contained within the clip which states "He claims he was filmed in March whilst passing himself off as one of his Countries war vetrans whilst taking part in a marathon with other British survivors of the 1982 War" how can you make that statement it is an absolute pile of crap
I watched the clip and the guy never uttered a word. The commentator states the runner claimed it..........but there again they could have claimed he was Bin Laden, doesn't make it true. In the papers and on the internet I cannot find any quote of him saying he is a veteran. I can find reference to him being an athelete and running in a marathon on the island though.
Yes that is true the Commentator stated that and I should have listened to you and not believed him but believed the other reports that you believed the ones in the papers and on the internet because obviously unlike a commentator they would have to have been true
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Oh whoopee they invaded an island defended by a small Marine Naval Party and a virtually untrained civil defence force numbering around 10 men using armoured vehicles and thier best elite special forces backed by Marines, they took casualties and inflicted no casualties on the British. Yes it was a close run thing, most battles in History have been that way, Nelson at Trafalger, Wellington at Waterloo, The battle of the Bulge, the D Day landings, The Battle of Britain, the defence of Rorke's Drift, were all close run things, No army ever won a battle without some luck and bluff.
So they did conquer the islands. I rest my case.
Yes you are right they conqurered the islands and I was wrong to deny that (although I never saw anything written to say they did not conquer the islands but it must have been there and though I will never understand what relevance that has on anything it is correct as you say, they conquered the islands, then we conquered them back again then they lied and called them Argentine soil, yes I have to agree with you on that.
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Some people see a war memorial the same as a grave, it represents much to many, and using it as a training apparatus is insulting, offensive and desecration, I doubt he would have done it had the significance of his actions not been his intention.
Every day in the UK our own monuments are used for sitting on, resting on, paying respect and many other uses. Looks like we will have to ban the UK from the Olympics then, as the UK desecrates its memorials to the fallen daily.
Of course we should ban the UK from the Olympics, although I have never disrespected a War memorial or any other memorial or any grave I am in the UK and should be banned from the Olympics in all forms you are absolutley right
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I think that if this had been a film of Rooney doing the same in training for a match the condemnation would be much higher
Relevance? The man can play football but his private life has been nothing but an embarrasment to the sport and the nation
I appologise, I didn't realise it was different when Rooney embarrasses the nation and Sport with his private life and when the captain of the Argentine Hockey Team embarasses the nation and the sport by bringing it into disrepute making false statements (we train on Argentine Soil) creating dissent and using it to promote political views, I thought that was all the same but I appologise for my error you are of course absolutely right, it is different and we should despise British Athletes and sportsman simply because they are British.
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there are some here that will argue black is white just to look superior
Yep, I've noticed
Yes I am sure you have
Dave_Notts
Sexpert
To my mind it is the accompanying rhetoric, not the exercises, that makes the use of Falkland Islands war memorial a desecration.
This looks like propaganda trying to get support for an unpopular government in Argentina (again).
This looks like propaganda trying to get support for an unpopular government in Argentina (again).
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To my mind it is the accompanying rhetoric, not the exercises, that makes the use of Falkland Islands war memorial a desecration.
This looks like propaganda trying to get support for an unpopular government in Argentina (again).
Yes some understand that it is not necessarily the actual action of what people do it is the reasoning behind the action, to cross the road is a natural act to cross the road in order to kill someone one is totally different despite the action of crossing the road being the same.
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I appologise, I didn't realise it was different when Rooney embarrasses the nation and Sport with his private life and when the captain of the Argentine Hockey Team embarasses the nation and the sport by bringing it into disrepute making false statements (we train on Argentine Soil) creating dissent and using it to promote political views, I thought that was all the same but I appologise for my error you are of course absolutely right, it is different and we should despise British Athletes and sportsman simply because they are British
Has the Argentine hockey team captain embarrassed the nation? I wouldn't have thought that the Argentine man in the street would have been particularly embarrassed by it.
It would appear that this was a privately made ad which was first offered to private companies who all preferred to stay away from the controversial video. It was then brought to the attention of President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner, who bought it and broadcast it
Did he make false statements or were the false statements made by the advertising team that made the ad, Young and Rubicam. Young and Rubicam just happen to be owned by British advertising company WPP so I would have thought somebody somewhere down the line has had his/her arse severely kicked.
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I appologise, I didn't realise it was different when Rooney embarrasses the nation and Sport with his private life and when the captain of the Argentine Hockey Team embarasses the nation and the sport by bringing it into disrepute making false statements (we train on Argentine Soil) creating dissent and using it to promote political views, I thought that was all the same but I appologise for my error you are of course absolutely right, it is different and we should despise British Athletes and sportsman simply because they are British
Has the Argentine hockey team captain embarrassed the nation? I wouldn't have thought that the Argentine man in the street would have been particularly embarrassed by it.
It would appear that this was a privately made ad which was first offered to private companies who all preferred to stay away from the controversial video. It was then brought to the attention of President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner, who bought it and broadcast it
Did he make false statements or were the false statements made by the advertising team that made the ad, Young and Rubicam. Young and Rubicam just happen to be owned by British advertising company WPP so I would have thought somebody somewhere down the line has had his/her arse severely kicked.
I don't understand and I really do want to agree with you, I mean I understand that the advertising company may have added the "we train on Argentine soild to compete on British Soil" statement but did I get it wrong, was it the advertising company employees using a British War memorial as a traing tool ?
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I appologise, I didn't realise it was different when Rooney embarrasses the nation and Sport with his private life and when the captain of the Argentine Hockey Team embarasses the nation and the sport by bringing it into disrepute making false statements (we train on Argentine Soil) creating dissent and using it to promote political views, I thought that was all the same but I appologise for my error you are of course absolutely right, it is different and we should despise British Athletes and sportsman simply because they are British
Has the Argentine hockey team captain embarrassed the nation? I wouldn't have thought that the Argentine man in the street would have been particularly embarrassed by it.
It would appear that this was a privately made ad which was first offered to private companies who all preferred to stay away from the controversial video. It was then brought to the attention of President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner, who bought it and broadcast it
Did he make false statements or were the false statements made by the advertising team that made the ad, Young and Rubicam. Young and Rubicam just happen to be owned by British advertising company WPP so I would have thought somebody somewhere down the line has had his/her arse severely kicked.
I don't understand and I really do want to agree with you, I mean I understand that the advertising company may have added the "we train on Argentine soild to compete on British Soil" statement but did I get it wrong, was it the advertising company employees using a British War memorial as a traing tool ?
I don't expect you to agree with me.
There is footage of someone's feet stepping on some steps which we are informed is a WW1 war memorial. Every weekend kids in Newcastle congregate around Eldon Square, skate boarding and sitting on the steps of a war memorial. Is that desecration? I suspect there are similar occurrences all around the UK on a daily/weekly basis.
