Time to stop feeding urban foxes?

8 Jun 2010

Could the obsession with feeding urban foxes be a factor in this case?

Feeding wild animals our food is sometimes misguided

8 Jun 2010

I wonder when she will join the red coat brigade and trample down the high street shouting "Tally ho" on her horse?
It is a sad thing that happened to the babies but unfortunately animals do sometimes attack. This is no reason to kill them.
An adder killed a child in 1975. I feel deeply for the parents but I wouldn't want every adder killed.
As for feeding? Most people do not feed them, they just find our discarded rubbish enough to live on.
Dave_Notts

8 Jun 2010

Quote by Dave__Notts
I wonder when she will join the red coat brigade and trample down the high street shouting "Tally ho" on her horse?
It is a sad thing that happened to the babies but unfortunately animals do sometimes attack. This is no reason to kill them.
An adder killed a child in 1975. I feel deeply for the parents but I wouldn't want every adder killed.
As for feeding? Most people do not feed them, they just find our discarded rubbish enough to live on.
Dave_Notts

That is because everyone's bin is full as they have not been emptied.
bolt

8 Jun 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
I wonder when she will join the red coat brigade and trample down the high street shouting "Tally ho" on her horse?
It is a sad thing that happened to the babies but unfortunately animals do sometimes attack. This is no reason to kill them.
An adder killed a child in 1975. I feel deeply for the parents but I wouldn't want every adder killed.
As for feeding? Most people do not feed them, they just find our discarded rubbish enough to live on.
Dave_Notts

That is because everyone's bin is full as they have not been emptied.
bolt

This is the individuals laziness creeping in wink

Dave_Notts

8 Jun 2010

Yep it is time to stop feeding urban foxes, and it is also time for the so called animal well fare organisations to stop releasing the foxes that have been injured and nursed back to health into the outskirts of towns. These foxes are wild animals and after being nursed back to health have almost became tame.. so where do they head..for easy pickings in built up areas.
Foxes are not fluffy cuddly animals they are disease carrying animals that kill for the sake of killing and not just for survival.
Let them spend 5 mins with you nice pet rabbit, chickens etc and I am sure you will change your mind.

8 Jun 2010

Quote by Kaznkev
I wonder when she will join the red coat brigade and trample down the high street shouting "Tally ho" on her horse?
It is a sad thing that happened to the babies but unfortunately animals do sometimes attack. This is no reason to kill them.
An adder killed a child in 1975. I feel deeply for the parents but I wouldn't want every adder killed.
As for feeding? Most people do not feed them, they just find our discarded rubbish enough to live on.
Dave_Notts

i disagree,foxes are wary creatures,they must have grown used to humans,and people feeding them seems the likely answer.
They live in the city, of course they have got used to humans. Thats why they are called urban foxes.
They do not need to be fed by people, there is enough rubbish out there to feed the growing fox, mice, rat and bird populations.
Dave_Notts

8 Jun 2010

Quote by Meeko
Yep it is time to stop feeding urban foxes, and it is also time for the so called animal well fare organisations to stop releasing the foxes that have been injured and nursed back to health into the outskirts of towns. These foxes are wild animals and after being nursed back to health have almost became tame.. so where do they head..for easy pickings in built up areas.
Foxes are not fluffy cuddly animals they are disease carrying animals that kill for the sake of killing and not just for survival.
Let them spend 5 mins with you nice pet rabbit, chickens etc and I am sure you will change your mind.

I have not got any rabbits or chickens, nor dogs and cats.
And what particular disease do foxes carry....relative to the UK ?
Not many.
To be more precise, you can catch far more diseases from other people than from foxes.
I'm quite sure that as soon as the ban on hunting foxes with dogs is removed we will see "the hunt" pounding down the high street killing cats by the score.....and hopefully getting mown down by trucks.
Shit happens: How many children were killed or injured by D O G S last year ?
And how many were killed or injured by their parents ?
A sense of proportion is needed.
Come to think about it.....just some sense would be good enough.

9 Jun 2010

Agree with JTS and Dave. There are foxes around here but none of the people who live here, feed them. They're animals, they are wild and they find food where they can. The attack was just an isolated incident - sad yes but no need to go hunting down all foxes.

9 Jun 2010

there is very little comparison between urban fox`s and your country fox
most urban fox`s are pale in colour, many vixens do not make it past 3 years old due to mange normally resulting in the animal dieing from exposure due to a lack of fur and most urban fox`s life span is also shorter due to poor diet and pollution they suffer and most if not all are flea ridden
bit like townies I'm afraid aye blue wink

9 Jun 2010

Next time you're out at night around town, look at the "feral" dogs that abound.
Riddled with fleas and also with mange. A lot like the free-range cats !
Back to your average non-owned dog on walk-about.
Just a few of the problems suffered by dogs:
Fleas
Canine Parvovirus
Canine Bad Breath
Canine Heart Disease
Patellar Luxation
Heartworms
Roundworms
Canine Hepatitis
Scabies - Sarcoptic Mange
Canine Deafness Hookworms
Tapeworms
Canine Diarrhoea
Hip Dysplasia
Ticks
Distemper
Dog & Puppy Vaccinations
Dog Ear Infections - Otitis Externa
Canine Kidney Disease
Dog Vomiting - Canine Gastritis
Canine Enteritis
Lyme Disease
Cheyletiella Mange
Eye Infections
Mange
Entropion
Rabies
Whipworms
Canine Epilepsy
Red Mange
Worms
Got loads more....and I haven't even started yet...I will consider rats next, of which there are a larger amount about than foxes, and dogs, and cats (and people).
On a quiet night I can sit in "the layby" and watch them walking around looking for food....rats that is (and foxes and deer) LOADS of rats..

9 Jun 2010

I was beginning to imagine an urban fox hunt. A mixture of slavering staffs and pitbulls chasing the fox, followed by huntsmen on mountain bikes, roller blades, taxis and public transport.

9 Jun 2010

I was once told that if you have a fox living in a burrow in your garden, you can soak an old tennis ball in creosote and run the ball down one of the entrances - I was told that they get out before any harm is done and don't come back.
Plim

9 Jun 2010

Quote by Dave__Notts
I wonder when she will join the red coat brigade and trample down the high street shouting "Tally ho" on her horse?
It is a sad thing that happened to the babies but unfortunately animals do sometimes attack. This is no reason to kill them.
An adder killed a child in 1975. I feel deeply for the parents but I wouldn't want every adder killed.
As for feeding? Most people do not feed them, they just find our discarded rubbish enough to live on.
Dave_Notts

i disagree,foxes are wary creatures,they must have grown used to humans,and people feeding them seems the likely answer.
They live in the city, of course they have got used to humans. Thats why they are called urban foxes.
They do not need to be fed by people, there is enough rubbish out there to feed the growing fox, mice, rat and bird populations.
Dave_Notts
Well people do feed them, one example was on spring watch last night, I saw it with my own eyes, as would have many others

9 Jun 2010

Quote by JTS
Yep it is time to stop feeding urban foxes, and it is also time for the so called animal well fare organisations to stop releasing the foxes that have been injured and nursed back to health into the outskirts of towns. These foxes are wild animals and after being nursed back to health have almost became tame.. so where do they head..for easy pickings in built up areas.
Foxes are not fluffy cuddly animals they are disease carrying animals that kill for the sake of killing and not just for survival.
Let them spend 5 mins with you nice pet rabbit, chickens etc and I am sure you will change your mind.

I have not got any rabbits or chickens, nor dogs and cats.
And what particular disease do foxes carry....relative to the UK ?
Not many.
To be more precise, you can catch far more diseases from other people than from foxes.
I'm quite sure that as soon as the ban on hunting foxes with dogs is removed we will see "the hunt" pounding down the high street killing cats by the score.....and hopefully getting mown down by trucks.
Shit happens: How many children were killed or injured by D O G S last year ?
And how many were killed or injured by their parents ?
A sense of proportion is needed.
Come to think about it.....just some sense would be good enough.
So what do you think, should people be feeding them or not? I am not really sure what your saying?

9 Jun 2010

Rather than go over fox hunting again, here is a link for your comments
http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/swingers-forum/viewtopic/305150.html

9 Jun 2010

There is plenty of evedence of foxes being fed;
(Bottom of page)

"Thousands of people feed them, encourage them into their gardens and those that are not fed always find food on the streets," he says.

9 Jun 2010

Quote by Freckledbird
Agree with JTS and Dave. There are foxes around here but none of the people who live here, feed them. They're animals, they are wild and they find food where they can. The attack was just an isolated incident - sad yes but no need to go hunting down all foxes.

People do feed foxes, maybe not near you, but it happens
Not so isolated as you may think;
Few report attacks because they fear they won't be believed
There are few records of foxes attacking humans. In 2002, Sue Eastwood said her 14-week-old boy, Louis, was injured after a fox slunk into her sitting room in Dartford, south-east London. Hackney council claims it has never received a reported incident. But a number of the London borough's residents have been attacked by foxes, including three people in the same block of flats. Many people don't report fox attacks because they don't think they will be believed.
Claire Blakeway was attacked by a fox at her home in Stoke Newington, north London, in July 2003. She was sleeping in her bedroom when she awoke and screamed with pain. "It was like someone dropped a brick on my foot," she says. Blood was streaming from her foot. She had left the door to the fire escape open and, at dawn, a fox had padded into her room, three floors up. "It must've come into the bedroom, seen my foot and had a gnaw on it," she says. "It sunk its incisors into either side of my foot." Her screams scared it off before she could see it but it left distinctive paw prints – not the prints of a cat – running across her cream carpet and on to her sheets. Blakeway got antibiotics for the bite but never formally reported it to anyone, although she heard from the flat warden that two other residents had also reported foxes attacking them.
From here

9 Jun 2010

Quote by Bluefish2009
Agree with JTS and Dave. There are foxes around here but none of the people who live here, feed them. They're animals, they are wild and they find food where they can. The attack was just an isolated incident - sad yes but no need to go hunting down all foxes.

People do feed foxes, maybe not near you, but it happens
Not so isolated as you may think;
* snipped for brevity
I didn't say that people anywhere/everywhere don't feed them - I said that the people who live here, don't. My point is, they are still here even though people around here don't intentionally feed them - they are wild animals and they will find food where they can. They won't disappear just because a few people stop intentionally feeding them.
With regard to the 'attacks' - the people who fear reporting them because they won't be believed? They clearly did report them to someone because they are reported in the articles. And it's still a very small incidence of attacks - as JTS pointed out, there are more people/children attacked by dogs. Oooooh, should we stop feeding dogs and parents then?

9 Jun 2010

Quote by Freckledbird
Agree with JTS and Dave. There are foxes around here but none of the people who live here, feed them. They're animals, they are wild and they find food where they can. The attack was just an isolated incident - sad yes but no need to go hunting down all foxes.

People do feed foxes, maybe not near you, but it happens
Not so isolated as you may think;
* snipped for brevity
I didn't say that people anywhere/everywhere don't feed them - I said that the people who live here, don't. My point is, they are still here even though people around here don't intentionally feed them - they are wild animals and they will find food where they can. They won't disappear just because a few people stop intentionally feeding them.
With regard to the 'attacks' - the people who fear reporting them because they won't be believed? They clearly did report them to someone because they are reported in the articles. And it's still a very small incidence of attacks - as JTS pointed out, there are more people/children attacked by dogs. Oooooh, should we stop feeding dogs and parents then?
Well if the dogs are Ferrel, they should be trapped and humanely killed and the same goes for house hold pets.
Parents who attack children go to prison
The more foxes are fed, the less timid and scared of humans they become, that in my humble view is a recipe for disaster

9 Jun 2010

Quote by JTS
Next time you're out at night around town, look at the "feral" dogs that abound.
Riddled with fleas and also with mange. A lot like the free-range cats !
Back to your average non-owned dog on walk-about.
Just a few of the problems suffered by dogs:
Fleast
Canine Parvovirus
Canine Bad Breatht
Canine Heart Diseaset
Patellar Luxationt
Heartwormst
Roundwormst
Canine Hepatitist
Scabies - Sarcoptic Mange
Canine DeafnesstHookwormst
Tapeworms
Canine Diarrhoeat
Hip Dysplasiat
Ticks
Distempertt
Dog & Puppy Vaccinations
Dog Ear Infections - Otitis Externat
Canine Kidney Diseaset
Dog Vomiting - Canine Gastritis
Canine Enteritist
Lyme Diseaset
Cheyletiella Mange
Eye Infectionst
Manget
Entropiont
Rabiest
Whipworms
Canine Epilepsyt
Red Mange
Worms
Got loads more....and I haven't even started yet...I will consider rats next, of which there are a larger amount about than foxes, and dogs, and cats (and people).
On a quiet night I can sit in "the layby" and watch them walking around looking for food....rats that is (and foxes and deer) LOADS of rats..

i didn't know dog and puppy vaccinations where current UK dog ailments or quiet what rabiest is mabe you mean rabies you really must proof read what you cut n paste jts
:giggle::giggle::giggle:

9 Jun 2010

Quote by Bluefish2009
Well if the dogs are Ferrel, they should be trapped and humanely killed and the same goes for house hold pets.
Parents who attack children go to prison
The more foxes are fed, the less timid and scared of humans they become, that in my humble view is a recipe for disaster

Yes, if the dogs are feral (or pets) they should be dealt with as appropriate. However, it doesn't mean we should stop feeding every dog - they won't all attack. If foxes attack, then they should be dealt with - but that doesn't mean that people who want to feed urban foxes, shouldn't. They won't all attack either.

9 Jun 2010

Quote by Freckledbird
Well if the dogs are Ferrel, they should be trapped and humanely killed and the same goes for house hold pets.
Parents who attack children go to prison
The more foxes are fed, the less timid and scared of humans they become, that in my humble view is a recipe for disaster

Yes, if the dogs are feral (or pets) they should be dealt with as appropriate. However, it doesn't mean we should stop feeding every dog - they won't all attack. If foxes attack, then they should be dealt with - but that doesn't mean that people who want to feed urban foxes, shouldn't. They won't all attack either.
Valid points

9 Jun 2010

Quote by Lizaleanrob
i didn't know dog and puppy vaccinations where current UK dog ailments or quiet what rabiest is mabe you mean rabies you really must proof read what you cut n paste jts
:giggle::giggle::giggle:

:shock: proof reading? Quite. Well, maybe.

9 Jun 2010

Yes is definatly time to be stopping feeding foxes, and also maybe time for a major cull!!
The damage a fox can do is awful!!! If they get in with livestock such as chickens, rabbits, young lambs they will just kill for the sake of it...
There is nothing worse than walking down to hen coop to find 10 hens dead, 8 nearly dead and the other 2 so traumatised that they never laid another egg sad

And as for finding that a fox has managed to get through the wire on a rabbit hutch and killed the doe inside and you are left to hand rear 3 kittens just a week old!! :(

9 Jun 2010

Quote by Freckledbird

i didn't know dog and puppy vaccinations where current UK dog ailments or quiet what rabiest is maybe you mean rabies you really must proof read what you cut n paste jts
:giggle::giggle::giggle:

:shock: proof reading? Quite. Well, maybe.
no good me proof reading I'm thick lol

on the subjects of feral dogs do our councils not provide dog wardens dunno

ohhh two threads in one :twisted:

9 Jun 2010

Quote by Lizaleanrob

i didn't know dog and puppy vaccinations where current UK dog ailments or quiet what rabiest is maybe you mean rabies you really must proof read what you cut n paste jts
:giggle::giggle::giggle:

:shock: proof reading? Quite. Well, maybe.
no good me proof reading I'm thick lol

on the subjects of feral dogs do our councils not provide dog wardens dunno

ohhh two threads in one :twisted:
Cant, spent all the money on a fish
:giggle:

9 Jun 2010

Quote by Lizaleanrob

i didn't know dog and puppy vaccinations where current UK dog ailments or quiet what rabiest is maybe you mean rabies you really must proof read what you cut n paste jts
:giggle::giggle::giggle:

:shock: proof reading? Quite. Well, maybe.
no good me proof reading I'm thick lol

on the subjects of feral dogs do our councils not provide dog wardens dunno

ohhh two threads in one :twisted:
Not all councils no ....as I understand it there has to be a plan in place for stray dogs but there's no requirement for a warden per se...some councils leave the task to local dog rescues or the R.S.P.C.A.

9 Jun 2010

Quote by Staggerlee_BB

i didn't know dog and puppy vaccinations where current UK dog ailments or quiet what rabiest is maybe you mean rabies you really must proof read what you cut n paste jts
:giggle::giggle::giggle:

:shock: proof reading? Quite. Well, maybe.
no good me proof reading I'm thick lol

on the subjects of feral dogs do our councils not provide dog wardens dunno

ohhh two threads in one :twisted:
Not all councils no ....as I understand it there has to be a plan in place for stray dogs but there's no requirement for a warden per se...some councils leave the task to local dog rescues or the R.S.P.C.A.
We have a dog warden, spends lots of time looking through binoculars to find naughty dog owners letting their dogs crap and not picking it up

9 Jun 2010

we need to introduce a snake which eats foxes.
then when the fox problem is sorted we need to introduce a mongoose which eats the snakes.
Then we need to introduce a wave of spiders which kill the mongoose.
then when we have to many spiders we introduce a wave of killer eagles.
then we bring in lots of mountain gorillas to get rid of the eagle problem.
then we pick up our guns and blast away the gorillas.
done and done lol

9 Jun 2010

Quote by Bluefish2009

i didn't know dog and puppy vaccinations where current UK dog ailments or quiet what rabiest is maybe you mean rabies you really must proof read what you cut n paste jts
:giggle::giggle::giggle:

:shock: proof reading? Quite. Well, maybe.
no good me proof reading I'm thick lol

on the subjects of feral dogs do our councils not provide dog wardens dunno

ohhh two threads in one :twisted:
Not all councils no ....as I understand it there has to be a plan in place for stray dogs but there's no requirement for a warden per se...some councils leave the task to local dog rescues or the R.S.P.C.A.
We have a dog warden, spends lots of time looking through binoculars to find naughty dog owners letting their dogs crap and not picking it up
ffs what do our feckin councils provide other that roundabout sized fish wink