Tory cabinet tax dodgers-Osbourne,Mitchell and Hammond + 6bn

1 Nov 2010

Quote by Max777
Also, you do realise that Ian Hislop is the most sued man in English legal history and as far as I can tell, he has won only 2 of his court cases. Not exactly a reliable witness then!

If 'Private Eye' etc don't take on these stories,who will.....not the right wing toilet papers that's for sure !
Good to see you are true to type wink

So, If what you claim is correct,we should be expecting legal action against 'Private Eye','The Independent' and 'The Guardian'................mmmmmmm, nothing yet, I wonder why ????????
You obviously want to believe this story, so there is really no point trying to have a reasoned debate on the issue.
My final comment however, is to re-ask a question which you haven't yet answered. If what you claim is true, why have we heard absolutely nothing from the opposition front benches on the matter?

My view on that is because, no law was broken and very few people actually care :thumbup:

1 Nov 2010

Quote by Max777
You obviously want to believe this story, so there is really no point trying to have a reasoned debate on the issue.
My final comment however, is to re-ask a question which you haven't yet answered. If what you claim is true, why have we heard absolutely nothing from the opposition front benches on the matter?

Reasoned debate lol, very good Max! I have been doing exactly the same thing as you've been doing,just holding up a mirror to show you the opposite are very obviously a true blue conservative,to the core, which is fine If that's what you believe.I hope you've got plenty of time to defend the cuts when they come. I on the other hand have a distrust of all politians, I have been very vocal in my condemnation of Blair's policies .
Good point about the lack of questions from the opposition bench,could be many reasons, weak leadership,Labour guilty of similar activities, who knows ! Time will tell !

1 Nov 2010

Quote by medway_garage
You obviously want to believe this story, so there is really no point trying to have a reasoned debate on the issue.
My final comment however, is to re-ask a question which you haven't yet answered. If what you claim is true, why have we heard absolutely nothing from the opposition front benches on the matter?

Reasoned debate lol, very good Max! I have been doing exactly the same thing as you've been doing,just holding up a mirror to show you the opposite are very obviously a true blue conservative,to the core, which is fine If that's what you believe.I hope you've got plenty of time to defend the cuts when they come. I on the other hand have a distrust of all politians, I have been very vocal in my condemnation of Blair's policies .
Good point about the lack of questions from the opposition bench,could be many reasons, weak leadership,Labour guilty of similar activities, who knows ! Time will tell !
You shouldn't make assumtions, you could be very wrong!

1 Nov 2010

Quote by Max777
You shouldn't make assumtions, you could be very wrong!

I could be, but couldn't you also be wrong about the £6bn figure and the other things I've highlighted ! Max I detect a get out clause so you don't have to defend the cuts lol !

1 Nov 2010

Quote by medway_garage
You shouldn't make assumtions, you could be very wrong!

I could be, but couldn't you also be wrong about the £6bn figure and the other things I've highlighted ! Max I detect a get out clause so you don't have to defend the cuts lol !
Nah, no point in trying to debate with someone who just copies and pastes from other internet forums. lol

1 Nov 2010

Quote by Max777
You shouldn't make assumtions, you could be very wrong!

I could be, but couldn't you also be wrong about the £6bn figure and the other things I've highlighted ! Max I detect a get out clause so you don't have to defend the cuts lol !
Nah, no point in trying to debate with someone who just copies and pastes from other internet forums. lol

Very good response,so we'll be expecting you to defend the cuts then !

1 Nov 2010

Quote by medway_garage
You shouldn't make assumtions, you could be very wrong!

I could be, but couldn't you also be wrong about the £6bn figure and the other things I've highlighted ! Max I detect a get out clause so you don't have to defend the cuts lol !
Nah, no point in trying to debate with someone who just copies and pastes from other internet forums. lol

Very good response,so we'll be expecting you to defend the cuts then !
I really couldn't be arsed....

2 Nov 2010

Quote by Max777
Oh, and for those that think otherwise, housing benefit costs run to some £20 billion annually.

Max looks like your goldenboy George Osborne has been caught exagerating the scale of housing benefit cheats, Osborne says £5bn..........the treasury and the DWP say !
Here's what George Osborne said during his spending review :‘Nor will fraud in the welfare system be tolerated anymore. We estimate that £5 billion is being lost this way each billion that others have to work long hours to pay in their week we published our plans to step up the fight to catch benefit cheats, and to deploy uncompromising penalties when they OF QUOTE
Osborne's Spending review speech,

Looks like Osborne has been caught misleading paliament and the public during his spending review speech, or maybe he's just not very good at sums !

Since when has overpayment of housing benefit been classed as fraud ! If this is the case maybe the actual figure of is inncorrect as well, it would be nice to see how they break down that figure !

2 Nov 2010

Medway, do you always make separate threads for each point you raise here? dunno

2 Nov 2010

Quote by vampanya
Medway, do you always make separate threads for each point you raise here?

Well they are completely different subjects, Iraq war/Osborne,Mitchell etc tax dodge and Osborne's false accusations about benefit fraud during the spending review,I did include the Vodaphone scandal in the tax dodge thread,but someone else made a separate thread for that one as well,so yes there is a bit of over lap, Max did talk a bit about benefit costs earler in the thread and it's nice to keep my Tory friend up to date with developments lol

2 Nov 2010

Just got this email from the online protest group 36degrees, I thought some of you might like to read it;

Our campaign to challenge the Chancellor George Osborne about tax dodging is growing fast. Together, we're making sure there is a real debate about why rich individuals and companies get away with avoiding billions worth of tax. This weekend The Observer ran a big piece on our petition. We made tax dodging a headline issue, and the most discussed article in the Guardian website.
The more of us who get involved, the more chance we have to change the debate. We need to make sure our petition keeps on growing. That will prove to the media and the government that this issue isn't going to go away.
Please can you help the petition to grow even more by spreading the word?
Can you forward this email to your friends and family and ask them to sign? They can sign the petition here:

If you use Facebook, you can share the petition here:

Or if you use Twitter, you can tweet it here:

When we launched this campaign, the media was silent about tax cheats but full of stories about benefit cheats. Together, we're forcing tax dodging into the headlines. This weekend a comment piece in the Observer said we were wrong to challenge Osborne for using "legal" loopholes to avoid paying in tax. The writer, David Mitchell, said that "only saints and incompetents don't" avoid paying tax.
38 Degrees members were quick to respond on our Facebook page, pointing out "George Osborne represents the government's financial policies - including tax - that's why he is being targeted by 38 Degrees" We know that if the UK Chancellor is using accountants to find tax loopholes, it should be so that he can get the loopholes closed. How can we trust the Chancellor to take real action on tax avoidance when he's avoiding millions himself?
Politicians aren't going to take tax dodging seriously unless we make them. People-powered campaigning is the best way to force this issue up the agenda. So far nearly 15,000 of us have signed the petition. Please help the petition to grow even more by forwarding this email to your friends and family and asking them to sign. They can sign the petition here:
Please help spread the word in every way you can.
Thanks for being involved,
Johnny, David, Hannah and the 38 Degrees team
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2 Nov 2010

Quote by medway_garage
Medway, do you always make separate threads for each point you raise here?

Well they are completely different subjects, Iraq war/Osborne,Mitchell etc tax dodge and Osborne's false accusations about benefit fraud during the spending review,I did include the Vodaphone scandal in the tax dodge thread,but someone else made a separate thread for that one as well,so yes there is a bit of over lap, Max did talk a bit about benefit costs earler in the thread and it's nice to keep my Tory friend up to date with developments lol

So, you're not a Tory then? I assume you think Max is....

2 Nov 2010

Quote by GnV
So, you're not a Tory then? I assume you think Max is....

Quite possibly, he's being very cagey about It, he's entitled to his view If he is, don't agree with it though !

2 Nov 2010

Quote by medway_garage
So, you're not a Tory then? I assume you think Max is....

Quite possibly, he's being very cagey about It, he's entitled to his view If he is, don't agree with it though !
What do you agree with, if I may ask?
The fact that someone votes in a particular way at an election is not itself an indication of their leanings one way or the other.
My Mother told me that she voted Tory but that was probably because she liked the standing candidate at the time. My Father never told me who he voted for. She later voted for a candidate of an opposing political persuasion because he was championing the cause for the disabled (which she was) and indeed he still does from the Lords to this day. My Parents never owned their own home. They were Council House tenants from the day they married till the day they died. There is no shame in that.
My Wife's parents owned their own home for over 50 years before they died and by good fortune did not suffer the indignity of the prospect of having their home taken off them to pay care fees under a Labour administration; the party they both supported from an early beginning.
I believe I have a very balanced political view to be honest.

2 Nov 2010

Quote by GnV
So, you're not a Tory then? I assume you think Max is....

Quite possibly, he's being very cagey about It, he's entitled to his view If he is, don't agree with it though !
What do you agree with, if I may ask?
The fact that someone votes in a particular way at an election is not itself an indication of their leanings one way or the other.
My Mother told me that she voted Tory but that was probably because she liked the standing candidate at the time. My Father never told me who he voted for. She later voted for a candidate of an opposing political persuasion because he was championing the cause for the disabled (which she was) and indeed he still does from the Lords to this day. My Parents never owned their own home. They were Council House tenants from the day they married till the day they died. There is no shame in that.
My Wife's parents owned their own home for over 50 years before they died and by good fortune did not suffer the indignity of the prospect of having their home taken off them to pay care fees under a Labour administration; the party they both supported from an early beginning.
I believe I have a very balanced political view to be honest.
I have a healthy distrust of politicians from the left and the right, can't argue with what you've wrote above though,fair enough !
Anyway,were off topic so back to Osborne and the tax avoidance issue.

2 Nov 2010

Sorry, what tax avoidance issue?
I thought that it had already been covered but as the OP, I guess you are entitled to repeat all your non-claims ad infinitum until someone compromises the thread and it gets locked never to surface again giving you claim to success wink

2 Nov 2010

Right back to the tax avoidance/evasion issue if you don't mind, a very interesting podcast interview with John Christensen from the tax justice network ,who previously worked within the banking system and also as economic advisor to the government of Jersey.

Fourth show - 2nd February 2009 (Part 1) - Interview with John Christensen