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Quote by MidsCouple24
What evidence/proof do you have that this Nation will declare war on a or a number of African Nations, or that a Nation or Nations within the Continent of Africa will declare war on the United Kingdom ?

Firstly I have not said at any point that the UK will declare war on one or more African nations, Nor have I said that one or more will declare war on the UK. I have said that we will be at war in Africa and that is not the same thing.
But to answer your question I have no proof and to ask for it is simply ridiculous. How can anyone possibly prove something that hasn't happened yet?
Where you stated a fact I stated a prediction. To help you out I have looked up a dictionary definition of the word prediction: 1. The act of predicting. 2. Something foretold or predicted; a prophecy.
However perhaps you would like to hear some of my musings on the subject, based on my opinion of actual facts and thing that have actually happened.
Africa has had a troubled past and is very unstable in some parts, though certainly not all. The US alone sold over 1.5 billion dollars of weapons to African countries during the latter stages of the cold war. Russia also supported varying regimes with arms deals. Former colonial rulers have likewise set up numerous arms deals and defence treaties with independent countries and all in all the continent is, I believe, awash with arms.
Large tracts of the continent are not effectively policed, virtually lawless in my own opinion. They are self governed by tribal elders, or more commmonly warlords equipped with the very weapons I have just spoken about. Famine, starvation, poverty and disease fuel countless crimes and underpin the way that many warlords keep the populace in check.
The World Food Program clearly shows the most serious problems in relation to food supply to be in East Africa.
The factious nature of many of these conflicts can be demonstrated by a at just how many combatant and power holding forces there are in individual countries.
The refugee crisis is yet another issue, further exacerbating the availability of food and other aid. In western society we are not used to tribalism, yet in parts of Africa it forms the basis of daily life. Tribal tension can exist within countries or across the artificially laid down borders that past colonial governments have imposed on the existing tribal infrastructure. One needs only take a into the 90's to see a graphic example of how this could, and does, turn out. Of the top five source countries around the world in 2013 3 were African.
Internally displaced persons are just as much of a tension raising issue. The UN reported some four million newly displaced people during the first half of 2013. Renewed fighting in the Democratic Republic of the Congo caused the displacement of an estimated
360,000 citizens, Other countries witnessing significant new internal displacement caused by conflict or violence included Sudan (390,000), the Central African Republic (154,000), and Mali (125,000).
The existence of so called failed states in Africa is rife. These are states that have lost control of almost all of the normal functions of Government. Interestingly the International Committee of the says: The “failed States” existing at present are essentially Third World States which have been affected by three geopolitical factors:
1. The end of the Cold War , during which the two superpowers had often kept shallow-rooted regimes artificially in power, preserving them as potential allies through supplies of arms or through ideology-based power structures which kept the unity of the State intact by force;
2. The heritage of colonial regimes which had lasted long enough to destroy traditional social structures, but not long enough to replace them with Western constitutional structures and an effective identity as a new State; and lastly
3. General processes of modernization which encouraged social and geographical mobility but were not counterbalanced by nation-building processes capable of placing the State on a firm foundation.
These are all statements that can be applied to large areas of Africa.
is yet another reason why tensions have been raised in areas of the continent. Many nations, including our own have deployed armed forces to the horn of Africa region in particular to stamp it out.
And against all this backdrop we have the influence of International terror organisations, AQ being the obvious one, with many more in it's wake.
So why should any of this affect us? Well like it or lump it we are a major ally of the US and France, both of whom have increased military involvement in Africa during recent years.
France is carrying out military operations most notably in Mali, chad and Central African Republic. The EU is going to bolster the french forces shortly with 1000 more troops.
The UK has continued to foster relations with France and closer military ties since the entente cordial. Indeed the Royal Air Force was sent to the aid of the interventionist French forces last year providing strategic heavy lift capability under the banner of Operation Newcombe. Our intentions are even more likely to draw us closer to conflict with the signing of the latest betwixt our countries. Did anyone else notice that there are African countries named several times, but no other countries or indeed regions?
Eight years ago The US founded Africa Command within its armed forces, though it had to be based in Germany as only Liberia would allow American forces within it's borders. things have changed somewhat and at present America has 4000 troops deployed to the Horn of Africa and is engaged in combat operations against the terrorist threat.
America is often lambasted for is predilection to interfere in resource rich countries, in particular those with oil. Nigeria has been the largest source of imported oil for America in recent years, with other African countries also supplying the black gold. I firmly believe that America will put more military resources into stabilising the area for land and sea trade in it's own interests in the near future. Furthermore I believe that this will be under the banner of the war on terror and that British troops operating initially from Kenya will be involved.
Of course that is only a prediction based on facts, not a fact in it's own right.
I believe I have answered your question, so please do me the courtesy of doing the same.
Quote by MidsCouple24
all gay saunas in the UK are registered as Gay Saunas.

For the third time can you or can you not substantiate this statement and prove that your not talking rubbish?
Quote by Geordiecpl2001
Meanwhile I have a question regarding your statement ......
"Within the next ten years, probably by 2020, we will be at war in Africa. I wonder how many people will agree with us 'going in' at the time, and how many of them will moan about Ugandan immigration then."

What evidence/proof do you have that this Nation will declare war on a or a number of African Nations, or that a Nation or Nations within the Continent of Africa will declare war on the United Kingdom ?

How can Trevaunance attack Jed for posting anything which has only the slightest bit of "personal opinion" or "supposition" when he predicts a war which is up to 10 years in the future ?? Credibility gone !!
John
I have not 'attacked' Jed at all. In fact if you read back in the thread you will notice that other members said jed was talking rubbish. Jed said 'you cannot prove that what I have said is rubbish' to those people. I said quite openly that I did not believe his statement to be fact, but I'm open to changing my mind on that and asked him to prove his stated fact that all gay saunas in the UK are registered as gay saunas. If he could prove his facts then I would support him whole heartedly and that is all I have asked for.
As for my credibility, well could you confirm John whether you mean my credibility as a forum user about past and present occurrences of my performance as a clairvoyant?
I am surprised to find that anyone here has difficulty understanding the difference between stating a fact based on past occurrences and an opinion of possible future occurrences.
Only time will tell if my prediction is correct. Only Jed can prove if his fact is correct.
All this talk of Gay Saunas and with the amount of testosterone flying around in this thread and I still can't work out who are the givers and which ones take it.
and what started as a good thread about a serious subject descends into petty nit picking and back biting.....walks away shaking his head !!
Quote by herts_darlings1
Not sure what 90 percent of this bollocks has to do with Ugandan gays! Whilst you all rip lumps out of each other I might right a letter to the Ugandan gay times! Tell them they might as well stay where they are because we are too busy talking shit to give a damn!

Well at least if the Ugandan gays come here, they can visit one of the three gay saunas Jed speaks of.
Quote by Toots
All this talk of Gay Saunas and with the amount of testosterone flying around in this thread and I still can't work out who are the givers and which ones take it.

haha Well what do you expect when you put cavemen together....
*beats chest*
*bangs Toots over head with club*
*Pulls Toots by hair into cave muttering "I'll show you who gives..."*
I read the comparison with the new laws in Uganda and Russia with interest and it is a good point! As far as I understand it the law in Russia makes it illegal to promote homosexuality positively. It is not illegal to be openly gay. This is a regressive law but it is not making it illegal to be a practising homosexual.
In Uganda it has been made illegal to be gay! To me that is as profound as making it illegal to have green eyes. You can’t help being born with green eyes; you can’t help being born gay! Whenever a state takes it upon itself to make being what you are illegal, whether it be Gay, Jewish, Kurdish, Gypsy it tends to be only the thin end of the wedge. I am not saying this will happen, I am reasonably sure it won’t. In that case political asylum seekers will not be an issue. But if it does, we can not get involved in another countries internal politics (again) so in this instance I hope we will have the humanity along with other countries to offer sanctuary to the persecuted.
If in a alternate universe, this law were past in the UK, half the members of SH would be arrested for admitting they were happy to participate in homosexual acts (see profiles stating gay, bi and bi curious)and the other half for knowingly harbouring persons with these tenancies.
Are well, at least prison wouldn't be boring.
Quote by Trevaunance
Of course that is only a prediction based on facts, not a fact in it's own right.

Top post! Sorry I snipped the rest!
Quote by Trevaunance
I believe I have answered your question, so please do me the courtesy of doing the same.
all gay saunas in the UK are registered as Gay Saunas.

For the third time can you or can you not substantiate this statement and prove that your not talking rubbish?
NO never again will I substantiate anything I say since you always demand people do this but have failed to substantiate your STATEMENT not PREDICTION look that up in the dictionary, a statement is not a prediction, you STATED that we will be at war in Africa and for that to happen one of the nations involved needs to declare war on the other nation.
You can either retract the statement admitting t was an error and that we all make mistakes or you can prove your statement the choice is yours.
To that end I made an error earlier saying that the owner of Chameleons owns 3 swingers clubs when I meant to say that he owned 3 gay saunas (in Newport, Luton and Darlaston) in a addition to owning the Chameleons swingers club.
Yes I consider him an expert witness and am sure a court of law would accept his experience just as they would a doctor.
So MIDs, are you saying that all gay saunas are sex clubs and have to be granted permission by virtue of the fact they are a persecuted minority? Whereas swingers clubs (again I don't know why we are comparing these as it should be saunas for the proper comparison) don't have to be granted a licence to trade as they are not a persecuted minority?
Quote by Rogue_Trader
So MIDs, are you saying that all gay saunas are sex clubs and have to be granted permission by virtue of the fact they are a persecuted minority? Whereas swingers clubs (again I don't know why we are comparing these as it should be saunas for the proper comparison) don't have to be granted a licence to trade as they are not a persecuted minority?

No that is not what I said
state·ment (st?t?m?nt) n.
1. The act of stating or declaring.
2. Something stated; a declaration.
3. Law A formal pleading.
4. An abstract of a commercial or financial account showing an amount due; a bill.
5. A monthly report sent to a debtor or bank depositor.
6. Computer Science An elementary instruction in a programming language.
7.An overall impression or mood intended to be communicated.
Yeah I think my statement carries my overall impression that in the future we will be at war in Africa.
Quote by MidsCouple24
you STATED that we will be at war in Africa and for that to happen one of the nations involved needs to declare war on the other nation.

Really? Haven't we been fighting a war in Afghanistan in recent years? Were we at war with Afghanistan? Did we declare War on Afghanistan, or them on us?
Hmmm, it's not just the Ugandans that have passed laws this week.
Quote by MidsCouple24
Yes I consider him an expert witness and am sure a court of law would accept his experience just as they would a doctor.

of course he is and I'm even sure he would also have letters after his name relating to a qualification just like a doctor and so on
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So MIDs, are you saying that all gay saunas are sex clubs and have to be granted permission by virtue of the fact they are a persecuted minority? Whereas swingers clubs (again I don't know why we are comparing these as it should be saunas for the proper comparison) don't have to be granted a licence to trade as they are not a persecuted minority?

No that is not what I said
Actually yeah it is, it is what you aslluded to. Your statement was in all gay saunas men have sex with other men, but in swingers clubs it sometimes happens. What complete and utter tosh.
Just because its a gay sauna doesn't mean people are having sex in there!!!
Quote by herts_darlings1
I read the comparison with the new laws in Uganda and Russia with interest and it is a good point! As far as I understand it the law in Russia makes it illegal to promote homosexuality positively. It is not illegal to be openly gay. This is a regressive law but it is not making it illegal to be a practising homosexual.
In Uganda it has been made illegal to be gay! To me that is as profound as making it illegal to have green eyes. You can’t help being born with green eyes; you can’t help being born gay! Whenever a state takes it upon itself to make being what you are illegal, whether it be Gay, Jewish, Kurdish, Gypsy it tends to be only the thin end of the wedge. I am not saying this will happen, I am reasonably sure it won’t. In that case political asylum seekers will not be an issue. But if it does, we can not get involved in another countries internal politics (again) so in this instance I hope we will have the humanity along with other countries to offer sanctuary to the persecuted.
If in a alternate universe, this law were past in the UK, half the members of SH would be arrested for admitting they were happy to participate in homosexual acts (see profiles stating gay, bi and bi curious)and the other half for knowingly harbouring persons with these tenancies.
Are well, at least prison wouldn't be boring.

I agree but would point out that whilst Russia has not taken the steps Uganda has in making being Gay or Lesbian an illegal practice, a recent TV programme did show that many Gays and Lesbians are being persecuted and suffering from acts of violence there, acts which apparently are being treated as minor priority by the authorities.
We all know that Adolf Hitler started with laws against people he deemed "unsuitable" which culminated in mass murder.
Russia too has a history under Stalin of murdering undesirables on a larger scale than Germany did under AH.
Uganda has the same history under Idi Amin.
Many other Nations around the world can be accused of mistreatment and a lack of acceptance for the Gay and Lesbian communities within their ranks.
As this post started on the subject of Asylum, the whole immigration subject is also relevant.
Figures released today show that the following
UK Net Immigration 212,000 (up 58,000) in the year ending last september
Migration itself from outside the EU has fallen but the overall figure is up despite the Government setting itself a target to reduce it to less than 100,000 per year.
209,000 of the 212,000 were EU citizens. (up 60,000)
The Majority of those from Spain, Portugal, Italy and Poland.
24,000 from Bulgaria and Romania. (up 15,000)
I would love to know the full figures of Migration FROM the UK but the most they said today is that far fewer people are migrating from here than in previous years.
Quote by Rogue_Trader
So MIDs, are you saying that all gay saunas are sex clubs and have to be granted permission by virtue of the fact they are a persecuted minority? Whereas swingers clubs (again I don't know why we are comparing these as it should be saunas for the proper comparison) don't have to be granted a licence to trade as they are not a persecuted minority?

No that is not what I said
Actually yeah it is, it is what you aslluded to. Your statement was in all gay saunas men have sex with other men, but in swingers clubs it sometimes happens. What complete and utter tosh.
Just because its a gay sauna doesn't mean people are having sex in there!!!
And I never said it did, what I said was gay saunas are registered as gay saunas but swingers clubs are registered as private members health clubs.
I am sure that sex isn't a part of every private members health clubs but swingers clubs is what I said in relation to the private members health clubs.
I said you could call a gay sauna for sex a gay sauna but the councils do not recognise swingers clubs as swingers clubs, I was not saying that it made any difference, I said that this was the label they group each premises under, you cannot refuse planning permission because it is a gay sauna on the grounds we "don't want that in the area" but you can refuse a swingers club on those grounds, the reason being that the courts made it legal for gay people over a certain age to have sex, but heterosexuals having sex with each other has never been challenged in court as gay right have.
Quote by MidsCouple24
So MIDs, are you saying that all gay saunas are sex clubs and have to be granted permission by virtue of the fact they are a persecuted minority? Whereas swingers clubs (again I don't know why we are comparing these as it should be saunas for the proper comparison) don't have to be granted a licence to trade as they are not a persecuted minority?

No that is not what I said
Actually yeah it is, it is what you aslluded to. Your statement was in all gay saunas men have sex with other men, but in swingers clubs it sometimes happens. What complete and utter tosh.
Just because its a gay sauna doesn't mean people are having sex in there!!!
And I never said it did, what I said was gay saunas are registered as gay saunas but swingers clubs are registered as private members health clubs.
I am sure that sex isn't a part of every private members health clubs but swingers clubs is what I said in relation to the private members health clubs.
I said you could call a gay sauna for sex a gay sauna but the councils do not recognise swingers clubs as swingers clubs, I was not saying that it made any difference, I said that this was the label they group each premises under, you cannot refuse planning permission because it is a gay sauna on the grounds we "don't want that in the area" but you can refuse a swingers club on those grounds, the reason being that the courts made it legal for gay people over a certain age to have sex, but heterosexuals having sex with each other has never been challenged in court as gay right have.

What do you mean that heterosexuals having sex with each other has never been challenged it court? As long as both parties are above the age of consent there is nothing to challenge! Courts did not make gay sex of any age legal either, it was an act of parliament in 1967 that made decriminalised homosexuality.
Quote by Trevaunance
I believe I have answered your question, so please do me the courtesy of doing the same.
all gay saunas in the UK are registered as Gay Saunas.

For the third time can you or can you not substantiate this statement and prove that your not talking rubbish?
Not until you substantiate your claim that we are going to declare war on an African state or that an African state are going to declare war on us.
Meanwhile you could show me what they are registered as lol
Quote by Max777
So MIDs, are you saying that all gay saunas are sex clubs and have to be granted permission by virtue of the fact they are a persecuted minority? Whereas swingers clubs (again I don't know why we are comparing these as it should be saunas for the proper comparison) don't have to be granted a licence to trade as they are not a persecuted minority?

No that is not what I said
Actually yeah it is, it is what you aslluded to. Your statement was in all gay saunas men have sex with other men, but in swingers clubs it sometimes happens. What complete and utter tosh.
Just because its a gay sauna doesn't mean people are having sex in there!!!
And I never said it did, what I said was gay saunas are registered as gay saunas but swingers clubs are registered as private members health clubs.
I am sure that sex isn't a part of every private members health clubs but swingers clubs is what I said in relation to the private members health clubs.
I said you could call a gay sauna for sex a gay sauna but the councils do not recognise swingers clubs as swingers clubs, I was not saying that it made any difference, I said that this was the label they group each premises under, you cannot refuse planning permission because it is a gay sauna on the grounds we "don't want that in the area" but you can refuse a swingers club on those grounds, the reason being that the courts made it legal for gay people over a certain age to have sex, but heterosexuals having sex with each other has never been challenged in court as gay right have.

What do you mean that heterosexuals having sex with each other has never been challenged it court? As long as both parties are above the age of consent there is nothing to challenge! Courts did not make gay sex of any age legal either, it was an act of parliament in 1967 that made decriminalised homosexuality.
Did Parliament ever issue a decriminalisation of heterosexual sex ?
Quote by MidsCouple24
I believe I have answered your question, so please do me the courtesy of doing the same.
all gay saunas in the UK are registered as Gay Saunas.

For the third time can you or can you not substantiate this statement and prove that your not talking rubbish?
Not until you substantiate your claim that we are going to declare war on an African state or that an African state are going to declare war on us.
Meanwhile you could show me what they are registered as lol

Seeing as you are trying to avoid answering Trev, I'll ask the same question. Please substantiate your claim that all gay saunas in the UK are registered as gay saunas.
Quote by MidsCouple24
So MIDs, are you saying that all gay saunas are sex clubs and have to be granted permission by virtue of the fact they are a persecuted minority? Whereas swingers clubs (again I don't know why we are comparing these as it should be saunas for the proper comparison) don't have to be granted a licence to trade as they are not a persecuted minority?

No that is not what I said
Actually yeah it is, it is what you aslluded to. Your statement was in all gay saunas men have sex with other men, but in swingers clubs it sometimes happens. What complete and utter tosh.
Just because its a gay sauna doesn't mean people are having sex in there!!!
And I never said it did, what I said was gay saunas are registered as gay saunas but swingers clubs are registered as private members health clubs.
I am sure that sex isn't a part of every private members health clubs but swingers clubs is what I said in relation to the private members health clubs.
I said you could call a gay sauna for sex a gay sauna but the councils do not recognise swingers clubs as swingers clubs, I was not saying that it made any difference, I said that this was the label they group each premises under, you cannot refuse planning permission because it is a gay sauna on the grounds we "don't want that in the area" but you can refuse a swingers club on those grounds, the reason being that the courts made it legal for gay people over a certain age to have sex, but heterosexuals having sex with each other has never been challenged in court as gay right have.

What do you mean that heterosexuals having sex with each other has never been challenged it court? As long as both parties are above the age of consent there is nothing to challenge! Courts did not make gay sex of any age legal either, it was an act of parliament in 1967 that made decriminalised homosexuality.
Did Parliament ever issue a decriminalisation of heterosexual sex ?
Yes, the Sexual Offences Act 1967 decriminalised homosexual acts.
Quote by Trevaunance
state·ment (st?t?m?nt) n.
1. The act of stating or declaring.
2. Something stated; a declaration.
3. Law A formal pleading.
4. An abstract of a commercial or financial account showing an amount due; a bill.
5. A monthly report sent to a debtor or bank depositor.
6. Computer Science An elementary instruction in a programming language.
7. An overall impression or mood intended to be communicated.
Yeah I think my statement carries my overall impression that in the future we will be at war in Africa.
you STATED that we will be at war in Africa and for that to happen one of the nations involved needs to declare war on the other nation.

Really? Haven't we been fighting a war in Afghanistan in recent years? Were we at war with Afghanistan? Did we declare War on Afghanistan, or them on us?
No we have not been fighting a war in Iraq or in Afghanistan the same as we did not fight a war in the Falklands campaign which was classed as a Conflict. This makes a big difference.
To be at War we have to declare war otherwise it is labelled as a peacekeeping mission, conflict, emergency, coup d'état, Uprising, Intervention or similar depending on the situation.
Quote by MidsCouple24
state·ment (st?t?m?nt) n.
1. The act of stating or declaring.
2. Something stated; a declaration.
3. Law A formal pleading.
4. An abstract of a commercial or financial account showing an amount due; a bill.
5. A monthly report sent to a debtor or bank depositor.
6. Computer Science An elementary instruction in a programming language.
7. An overall impression or mood intended to be communicated.
Yeah I think my statement carries my overall impression that in the future we will be at war in Africa.
you STATED that we will be at war in Africa and for that to happen one of the nations involved needs to declare war on the other nation.

Really? Haven't we been fighting a war in Afghanistan in recent years? Were we at war with Afghanistan? Did we declare War on Afghanistan, or them on us?
No we have not been fighting a war in Iraq or in Afghanistan the same as we did not fight a war in the Falklands campaign which was classed as a Conflict. This makes a big difference.
To be at War we have to declare war otherwise it is labelled as a peacekeeping mission, conflict, emergency, coup d'état, Uprising, Intervention or similar depending on the situation.

What is the big difference?
Try telling the relatives of the soldiers that have been killed and the poor sods that have been maimed that they weren't fighting a war but merely a conflict. I'm sure they will appreciate the difference!
Quote by Max777
state·ment (st?t?m?nt) n.
1. The act of stating or declaring.
2. Something stated; a declaration.
3. Law A formal pleading.
4. An abstract of a commercial or financial account showing an amount due; a bill.
5. A monthly report sent to a debtor or bank depositor.
6. Computer Science An elementary instruction in a programming language.
7. An overall impression or mood intended to be communicated.
Yeah I think my statement carries my overall impression that in the future we will be at war in Africa.
you STATED that we will be at war in Africa and for that to happen one of the nations involved needs to declare war on the other nation.

Really? Haven't we been fighting a war in Afghanistan in recent years? Were we at war with Afghanistan? Did we declare War on Afghanistan, or them on us?
No we have not been fighting a war in Iraq or in Afghanistan the same as we did not fight a war in the Falklands campaign which was classed as a Conflict. This makes a big difference.
To be at War we have to declare war otherwise it is labelled as a peacekeeping mission, conflict, emergency, coup d'état, Uprising, Intervention or similar depending on the situation.

What is the big difference?
Try telling the relatives of the soldiers that have been killed and the poor sods that have been maimed that they weren't fighting a war but merely a conflict. I'm sure they will appreciate the difference!
I am not giving an opinion I am stating a fact and there can be big differences when war is not declared, I do not need to tell those maimed in conflict, I am a War Pensioner and Veteran of a number of conflicts, I was wounded in action on Wireless Ridge in the Falkland Islands whilst serving with 2 Para I know what it means to be maimed or wounded, I have lost many friends during conflicts I served in such as NI, Rhodesia/Zimbabwe, Falklands and Cyprus, I know how that feels, members of my family have been killed in action.
The Falklands war is a good example of war v conflict, had we declared war on Argentina we would have had the right to invade Argentina or carry out operations against the mainland of Argentina such as air strikes on Buenos Aires, as no state of war was declared by Her Majesty the Queen we could not take such action and acted within the exclusion zone announced notwithstanding actions near the exclusion zone deemed to be a danger to our forces within the exclusion zone, for example the sinking of the Belgrano. It is because war was not declared that there are some who believe that sinking was illegal and wrong.
War was not declared in Northern Ireland, as a result of which there are those seeing to charge members of 2 Para with murder and manslaughter for the killing of unarmed civilians (not proven)on Bloody Sunday, nobody has been charged with those offences when London was bombed during WWII because a state of war existed.
Tell those members of 2 Para there is no difference between war and conflict. Tell those charged with acts of terrorism that there is no difference between war and conflict when they are facing terrorism charges and not war crimes charges which still carry the death penalty.
Quote by MidsCouple24
I believe I have answered your question, so please do me the courtesy of doing the same.
all gay saunas in the UK are registered as Gay Saunas.

For the third time can you or can you not substantiate this statement and prove that your not talking rubbish?
Well technically its the forth time as you are reposting the same quote.
Quote by MidsCouple24
Not until you substantiate your claim that we are going to declare war on an African state or that an African state are going to declare war on us.

Once again, I have not said this,you have.
Quote by MidsCouple24
Meanwhile you could show me what they are registered as lol

No I can't as I have said all along, but I never claimed I knew facts to the contrary unlike yourself. I am asking you that has stated a fact to substantiate it so that I can back you against the people that are rubbishing you.
Quote by MidsCouple24
To be at War we have to declare war otherwise it is labelled as a peacekeeping mission, conflict, emergency, coup d'état, Uprising, Intervention or similar depending on the situation.

You miss the point. A declaration of war requires two states and one must declare war on the other. However most modern warfare is based not on multinational alliances but on support and conflict against small groups that are generally aligned on religious or doctrinal grounds against a recognise state. With this in mind it's not hard to understand that multi country responses are required in most cases. This is often provided under the authority of the UN.
It is very rare that a civilised country acts alone these days, as a former Soldier you must surely be ware of how things have changed? But as I know your a fan of Wikipedia I have dragged this here: Declarations of war, while uncommon in the traditional sense, have mainly been limited to the conflict areas of the Western Asia and East Africa since 1945.
The term is so interchangeable now depending on who the overarching authority lies with that there may never be formal declarations of war again. Even as a former paratrooper you cant fail to see the world has moved on.
What amazes me most is you do not recognise that war in the traditional sense in regards to the political aspects of nation on nation seldom exists in the modern era.
Perhaps when I said that "All gays saunas in the UK were registered as gay saunas" I was not stating a fact but making a prediction since not all UK gay saunas have been registered yet, I have no doubt there will be more and how could anyone possibly make a statement of fact about something that has not yet happened ?
It might sound like stating a fact when really it is just a prediction y'know like saying "we will be at war" is just a prediction and not a statement.
Interestingly though for us to be at war with an African nation, HM the Queen or the Monarch at that time would have to declare war on that Nation, so I take it your "prediction" when you say we will be at war means your predicting that our Monarch will declare war.
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