oh here we go again, I stated a fact based on what the OP had himself said with a profile stating he was part of a couple and looking to meet other couples and a post stating that his wife had refused to swing and that he was looking to meet on his own. If it was not fact why has he now changed his profile to that of a single male ?
You on the other hand have decided that what I have said (and the others that agree) is just rubbish because your view is the only relevant and true view, you cannot prove that what I have said is rubbish, it is just your (and any others that agree with you) opinion.
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Quote by MidsCouple24
oh here we go again, I stated a fact based on what the OP had himself said with a profile stating he was part of a couple and looking to meet other couples and a post stating that his wife had refused to swing and that he was looking to meet on his own. If it was not fact why has he now changed his profile to that of a single male ?
You on the other hand have decided that what I have said (and the others that agree) is just rubbish because your view is the only relevant and true view, you cannot prove that what I have said is rubbish, it is just your (and any others that agree with you) opinion.
You really should learn to read properly. Where have I said anything you have said is rubbish in this thread? I don't know anything about planning and licensing laws and I suspect neither do you. The difference is you spout off and state facts as if you were an expert on the matter. This is what OTHERS have rubbished.
Sex God
Quote by MidsCouple24
You on the other hand have decided that what I have said (and the others that agree) is just rubbish because your view is the only relevant and true view, you cannot prove that what I have said is rubbish, it is just your (and any others that agree with you) opinion.
I also think you were talking rubbish, that is my opinion and I wait for you to change it, if you can. How many times do you need to be reminded not to state something as a fact if you cannot prove it? So can you prove to me that you aren't talking rubbish, can you prove your closing statement?
Quote by MidsCouple24
Most Swingers clubs in the UK are registered as Private Members Health Clubs, Naturist Clubs or Health Spa's as these are the only businesses of a similar nature that the Council can grant applications for, all gay saunas in the UK are registered as Gay Saunas.
Sorry Mids, but you're talking rubbish again. Please when making comparisons compare apples to apples and not to oranges.
When applying to the council for a gay sauna licence then the appropriate comparison would be to just a sauna, not a swingers club! And of course the council can refuse it on the grounds of being a sauna! whosoever it was for would have no bearing on their decision, but it may have bearing on the publics planning objections, which the council have to take in to account.
Why would I compare a gay sauna where men engage in sex with each other to a sauna where men and women have, errrrrrr a sauna, why would I not compare it to a swingers club where men and women and sometimes women and women and sometimes men and men have sex with each other ?
and then you go on to say that the council would not refuse planning permission because it is a sex club but might refuse planning permission because it is a sex club (albeit because of public objections)
When applying to the council for a gay sauna licence then the appropriate comparison would be to just a sauna, not a swingers club! And of course the council can refuse it on the grounds of being a sauna! whosoever it was for would have no bearing on their decision, but it may have bearing on the publics planning objections, which the council have to take in to account.
Why would I compare a gay sauna where men engage in sex with each other to a sauna where men and women have, errrrrrr a sauna, why would I not compare it to a swingers club where men and women and sometimes women and women and sometimes men and men have sex with each other ?
and then you go on to say that the council would not refuse planning permission because it is a sex club but might refuse planning permission because it is a sex club (albeit because of public objections)
Quote by MidsCouple24
Sorry Mids, but you're talking rubbish again. Please when making comparisons compare apples to apples and not to oranges.
When applying to the council for a gay sauna licence then the appropriate comparison would be to just a sauna, not a swingers club! And of course the council can refuse it on the grounds of being a sauna! whosoever it was for would have no bearing on their decision, but it may have bearing on the publics planning objections, which the council have to take in to account.
Why would I compare a gay sauna where men engage in sex with each other to a sauna where men and women have, errrrrrr a sauna, why would I not compare it to a swingers club where men and women and sometimes women and women and sometimes men and men have sex with each other ?
and then you go on to say that the council would not refuse planning permission because it is a sex club but might refuse planning permission because it is a sex club (albeit because of public objections)
If that's directed at me, I'll repeat what I said earlier. Learn to read properly!
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You on the other hand have decided that what I have said (and the others that agree) is just rubbish because your view is the only relevant and true view, you cannot prove that what I have said is rubbish, it is just your (and any others that agree with you) opinion.
I also think you were talking rubbish, that is my opinion and I wait for you to change it, if you can. How many times do you need to be reminded not to state something as a fact if you cannot prove it? So can you prove to me that you aren't talking rubbish, can you prove your closing statement?
Quote by MidsCouple24
Most Swingers clubs in the UK are registered as Private Members Health Clubs, Naturist Clubs or Health Spa's as these are the only businesses of a similar nature that the Council can grant applications for, all gay saunas in the UK are registered as Gay Saunas.
Yes I can prove it, will I, no why should I, go look it up yourself, but my knowledge comes from years of working at Chameleons, at working at atlantis and Utopia clubs and from being the manager of a swingers venue for 3 years.
Where do you get the proof that what I am saying is rubbish, what is your experience with this or where have you found evidence that what I am saying is wrong ?
I have made a statement and in that I am innocent until proven guilty, prove me guilty.
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Quote by MidsCouple24
Yes I can prove it, will I, no why should I, go look it up yourself, but my knowledge comes from years of working at Chameleons, at working at atlantis and Utopia clubs and from being the manager of a swingers venue for 3 years.
Where do you get the proof that what I am saying is rubbish, what is your experience with this or where have you found evidence that what I am saying is wrong ?
I have made a statement and in that I am innocent until proven guilty, prove me guilty
I am not asking about your experience of swingers clubs, I'm asking you about your knowledge of planning regulations, company registration and specifically in relation to gay sauna's.
I have to confess as a Graduate member of the Institute of Fire Engineers and a Member of the Institute of Fire Prevention Officers I have a working knowledge in the area of planning applications having pawed over several thousand in the last twenty years during the planning stages. I trust that will suffice?
However I have very little knowledge of registering a company or applying to the local council to run that company from business premises. You clearly do and so I'm asking for you to pass on the benefit of your knowledge.
There is no reason why I should prove what you say is wrong, because I do not know. But I strongly suspect that not every gay sauna is registered for business as a gay sauna as you claim. You have stated facts and when questioned you are not able to substantiate them.
OK then read what I said earlier.
Chameleons swingers club is registered as a private members health club as is Utopia, I know this to be fact because I saw the registration documentation on many occasions when working at the club, I will say that this was around 10 years ago but I see no reason why this might change.
Kestrel Hydro near Heathrow on the other hand is registered as a mixed gender Naturist Spa, The 3 Greenhouses (trading name) in the UK owned by the same owners as Chameleons are registered as Gay Saunas and not simply Saunas.
Some Councils do have different views on swingers clubs, The Church in Newport (Gwent) had constant problems with the Council and the owners (friends of mine) believed that it was because of the nature of what went on at the premises (an ex Police Station which is of course irrelevant but interesting).
Chameleons was the first swingers club in the UK and had a major battle in preventing closure in it's early days with constant attention from the Council and Police, in the end both organisations realised that the club was an asset to the area and admitted that at first they believed it would be a seedy semi brothel, but time showed them that it was anything but that and actually assisted in cleaning up the local Walsall red light district notorious for the under age girls working there as men started going to the club instead, and it had the same effect on local dogging sites where both couples and singles preferred the safety and comfort of the club to the dangers of dogging.
Whilst Fire inspections/advisory visits take place more than necessary (yes those firemen love to pop round and have a wander round the club) the Police quietly ignore it now though quite a few officers are members now.
Perhaps that and how squeaky clean the club is run by the owners, water tests on taps, showers Jacuzzi's etc in accordance with regulations, Health and Safety lessons for staff, compulsory courses in food hygiene and Jacuzzi maintenance and cleaning for staff, licences for everything such as playing music and videos, no pirate music or DVDs on the premises, strict anti drug policies, regulations smoking areas, everything is crossed and dotted, more than the required number of Fire equipment and exits, regular staff training on what to do in the event of a fire, working there put me off ever owning a club there are so many regulations to follow.
In 13 years Chameleons has never had a "health problem" for members despite having a sauna, steam room and 2 x 20 seat Jacuzzi's, a local shop put one in their showroom for display only and within 2 months caused an outbreak of Legionaires disease.
All quite irrelevant apart from the big picture of clubs and the Councils stance.
Anyway, phone Chameleons tomorrow and ask them "what sort of club is it" and they will tell you instantly ..... "It is a private members health club for adults of mixed gender" and at the end of the day that is exactly what it is albeit that they have tolerances for activities that is perhaps different to other private members clubs (maybe with the exception of the MP's exclusive private members clubs where some pretty liberal views seem to be acceptable when in comes to sexual practices
Chameleons swingers club is registered as a private members health club as is Utopia, I know this to be fact because I saw the registration documentation on many occasions when working at the club, I will say that this was around 10 years ago but I see no reason why this might change.
Kestrel Hydro near Heathrow on the other hand is registered as a mixed gender Naturist Spa, The 3 Greenhouses (trading name) in the UK owned by the same owners as Chameleons are registered as Gay Saunas and not simply Saunas.
Some Councils do have different views on swingers clubs, The Church in Newport (Gwent) had constant problems with the Council and the owners (friends of mine) believed that it was because of the nature of what went on at the premises (an ex Police Station which is of course irrelevant but interesting).
Chameleons was the first swingers club in the UK and had a major battle in preventing closure in it's early days with constant attention from the Council and Police, in the end both organisations realised that the club was an asset to the area and admitted that at first they believed it would be a seedy semi brothel, but time showed them that it was anything but that and actually assisted in cleaning up the local Walsall red light district notorious for the under age girls working there as men started going to the club instead, and it had the same effect on local dogging sites where both couples and singles preferred the safety and comfort of the club to the dangers of dogging.
Whilst Fire inspections/advisory visits take place more than necessary (yes those firemen love to pop round and have a wander round the club) the Police quietly ignore it now though quite a few officers are members now.
Perhaps that and how squeaky clean the club is run by the owners, water tests on taps, showers Jacuzzi's etc in accordance with regulations, Health and Safety lessons for staff, compulsory courses in food hygiene and Jacuzzi maintenance and cleaning for staff, licences for everything such as playing music and videos, no pirate music or DVDs on the premises, strict anti drug policies, regulations smoking areas, everything is crossed and dotted, more than the required number of Fire equipment and exits, regular staff training on what to do in the event of a fire, working there put me off ever owning a club there are so many regulations to follow.
In 13 years Chameleons has never had a "health problem" for members despite having a sauna, steam room and 2 x 20 seat Jacuzzi's, a local shop put one in their showroom for display only and within 2 months caused an outbreak of Legionaires disease.
All quite irrelevant apart from the big picture of clubs and the Councils stance.
Anyway, phone Chameleons tomorrow and ask them "what sort of club is it" and they will tell you instantly ..... "It is a private members health club for adults of mixed gender" and at the end of the day that is exactly what it is albeit that they have tolerances for activities that is perhaps different to other private members clubs (maybe with the exception of the MP's exclusive private members clubs where some pretty liberal views seem to be acceptable when in comes to sexual practices
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Chameleons was the first swingers club in the UK ...
In 13 years Chameleons...
Are you saying Chams is 13 years old? Certainly I remember going in about 2002 and it was, I think, fairly recently opened then, maybe a year or two? If so, you are totally wrong about which was the first swingers club in the UK.
Adam & Eves, The Boardwalk, Xanadu, Connections and possibly Liaisons and Cupids - all in Manchester - were certainly running in the 90's if not before. Adam & Eves claims to be the first UK club and had a 21st birthday party several years ago.
Sex God
Quote by MidsCouple24
A load of stuff that in his own words is....
All quite irrelevant apart from the big picture of clubs and the Councils stance.
You are once again talking about a swingers club. Where does any of that prove that you are correct that all gay sauna's in the UK are registered with the local authority as gay saunas?
Quote by MidsCouple24
all gay saunas in the UK are registered as Gay Saunas.
Can you or can you not substantiate this statement and prove that your not talking rubbish?
Quote by MidsCouple24
Anyway, phone Chameleons tomorrow and ask them "what sort of club is it" and they will tell you instantly ..... "It is a private members health club for adults of mixed gender"
Strange then that they describe themselves as the 'UK's premier swingers clubs' and nothing to do with being a health club. For the record I can substantiate that fact
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Chameleons was the first swingers club in the UK ...
In 13 years Chameleons...
Are you saying Chams is 13 years old? Certainly I remember going in about 2002 and it was, I think, fairly recently opened then, maybe a year or two? If so, you are totally wrong about which was the first swingers club in the UK.
Adam & Eves, The Boardwalk, Xanadu, Connections and possibly Liaisons and Cupids - all in Manchester - were certainly running in the 90's if not before. Adam & Eves claims to be the first UK club and had a 21st birthday party several years ago.
That I did not know and accept my error
Quote by Trevaunance
A load of stuff that in his own words is....
All quite irrelevant apart from the big picture of clubs and the Councils stance.
You are once again talking about a swingers club. Where does any of that prove that you are correct that all gay sauna's in the UK are registered with the local authority as gay saunas?
Because he owner of the said swingers club also owns 3 of the premier swingers clubs in the UK, he told me and I have no reason to doubt his knowledge or integrity.
Quote by MidsCouple24
all gay saunas in the UK are registered as Gay Saunas.
Can you or can you not substantiate this statement and prove that your not talking rubbish?
Quote by MidsCouple24
Anyway, phone Chameleons tomorrow and ask them "what sort of club is it" and they will tell you instantly ..... "It is a private members health club for adults of mixed gender"
Strange then that they describe themselves as the 'UK's premier swingers clubs' and nothing to do with being a health club. For the record I can substantiate that fact
I never said anything about how they describe themselves I said how they were registered with the council. nothing strange about that, it is not done for subterfuge the council know exactly what they are but councils have a tendency to group businesses in a kind of mass format such as my Fitted Kitchen and Bedroom showroom as retail premises and the mini market next door as the same despite the complete difference in products.
Meanwhile I have a question regarding your statement ......
"Within the next ten years, probably by 2020, we will be at war in Africa. I wonder how many people will agree with us 'going in' at the time, and how many of them will moan about Ugandan immigration then."
What evidence/proof do you have that this Nation will declare war on a or a number of African Nations, or that a Nation or Nations within the Continent of Africa will declare war on the United Kingdom ?
"Within the next ten years, probably by 2020, we will be at war in Africa. I wonder how many people will agree with us 'going in' at the time, and how many of them will moan about Ugandan immigration then."
What evidence/proof do you have that this Nation will declare war on a or a number of African Nations, or that a Nation or Nations within the Continent of Africa will declare war on the United Kingdom ?
Quote by MidsCouple24
A load of stuff that in his own words is....
All quite irrelevant apart from the big picture of clubs and the Councils stance.
You are once again talking about a swingers club. Where does any of that prove that you are correct that all gay sauna's in the UK are registered with the local authority as gay saunas?
Because he owner of the said swingers club also owns 3 of the premier swingers clubs in the UK, he told me and I have no reason to doubt his knowledge or integrity.
Quote by MidsCouple24
all gay saunas in the UK are registered as Gay Saunas.
Can you or can you not substantiate this statement and prove that your not talking rubbish?
Quote by MidsCouple24
Anyway, phone Chameleons tomorrow and ask them "what sort of club is it" and they will tell you instantly ..... "It is a private members health club for adults of mixed gender"
Strange then that they describe themselves as the 'UK's premier swingers clubs' and nothing to do with being a health club. For the record I can substantiate that fact
I never said anything about how they describe themselves I said how they were registered with the council. nothing strange about that, it is not done for subterfuge the council know exactly what they are but councils have a tendency to group businesses in a kind of mass format such as my Fitted Kitchen and Bedroom showroom as retail premises and the mini market next door as the same despite the complete difference in products.
Mids, councils do not " have a tendency to group businesses in a kind of mass format", try doing a little research into UK Property classifications.
Sex God
Quote by MidsCouple24
Because he owner of the said swingers club also owns 3 of the premier swingers clubs in the UK, he told me and I have no reason to doubt his knowledge or integrity.
:laughabove::laughabove:
you do realise that this statement means that all Kent777's post's regarding fat bloke down the pub told him must now be considered true
:rotflmao:of to buy a copy of the factual daily mail now
3 Class A – ‘Shops (Including some services) 3.1 Class A1 – Shops and retail outlets
3.2 Class A2 – Professional Services
3.3 Class A3 – Food and Drink
3.4 Class A4 – Drinking Establishments
3.5 Class A5 – Hot food and Takeaway
4 Class B – Further Business and industrial Activities 4.1 Class B1 – Business
4.2 Class B2
4.3 Class B3 – Special Industrial Group A
4.4 Class B4 - Special Industrial Group B
4.5 Class B5 - Special Industrial Group C
4.6 Class B6 - Special Industrial Group D
4.7 Class B7 - Special Industrial Group E
4.8 Class B8 - Special Industrial Group F
5 Class C – Hotels, Hostels and Dwelling Houses 5.1 Class C1
5.2 Class C2
5.3 Class C3
5.4 Class C4
6 Class D – Non-Residential Institutions 6.1 Class D1
6.2 Class D2
Class C – Hotels, Hostels and Dwelling Houses
Class C1
Class C1 deals with hotels, boarding houses, guest houses and hostels. This does not include premises which offer care as part of their services. That is to say, these premises ‘regular hotels’ open to the general public, rather than those for guests or residents with special needs.
Class C2
Class C2 does cover such types of premises, providing they are residential:
Hospitals and nursing homes.
Schools, colleges or training centres
Class C3
Class C3 addresses use as a “dwelling house”, as a principal or secondary residence:
This class is formed of 3 parts:
C3(a) covers use by a single person or a family (a couple whether married or not, a person related to one another with members of the family of one of the couple to be treated as members of the family of the other), an employer and certain domestic employees (such as an au pair, nanny, nurse, governess, servant, chauffeur, gardener, secretary and personal assistant), a carer and the person receiving the care and a foster parent and foster child.
C3(b): up to six people living together as a single household and receiving care e.g. supported housing schemes such as those for people with learning disabilities or mental health problems.
C3(c) allows for groups of people (up to six) living together as a single household. This allows for those groupings that do not fall within the C4 HMO definition, but which fell within the previous C3 use class, to be provided for i.e. a small religious community may fall into this section as could a homeowner who is living with a lodger.
Class C4
Houses in multiple occupation - small shared houses occupied by between three and six unrelated individuals, as their only or main residence, who share basic amenities such as a kitchen or bathroom.
Class D – Non-Residential Institutions
Class D1
Class D1 covers many ‘public’ services (which do not fall under Class A):
Medical or health services premises which don’t form a part of the practitioner’s home
Crèches, day nurseries or day centres
Premises for education,
Premises which display works of art without commercial transactions (sale or hire)
Museums
Public libraries or reading rooms
Public or exhibition halls
Premises “for, or in connection with, public worship or religious instruction”
Class D2
Class D2 addresses the use of premises for entertainment and leisure purposes:
Cinemas
Concert halls
Bingo halls or casinos,
Dance halls
Swimming baths, skating rinks, gymnasiums or “area for other indoor or outdoor sports or recreations, not involving motorised vehicles or firearms.”
Yes pretty much grouped together as I said
Class A1 – Shops and retail outlets
For those within Class A1, the customers in all cases should be “visiting members of the general public”. Property in this area could include:
Shops (where goods are sold)
Post offices
Premises where tickets are sold and travel agents
Premises selling cold food (intended for consumption off site)
Hairdressers
Florist
Funeral directors
Premises where goods for sale are displayed
Premises where “domestic or personal” goods or services are hired from
Premises where articles are deposited for washing, cleaning or repair
3.2 Class A2 – Professional Services
3.3 Class A3 – Food and Drink
3.4 Class A4 – Drinking Establishments
3.5 Class A5 – Hot food and Takeaway
4 Class B – Further Business and industrial Activities 4.1 Class B1 – Business
4.2 Class B2
4.3 Class B3 – Special Industrial Group A
4.4 Class B4 - Special Industrial Group B
4.5 Class B5 - Special Industrial Group C
4.6 Class B6 - Special Industrial Group D
4.7 Class B7 - Special Industrial Group E
4.8 Class B8 - Special Industrial Group F
5 Class C – Hotels, Hostels and Dwelling Houses 5.1 Class C1
5.2 Class C2
5.3 Class C3
5.4 Class C4
6 Class D – Non-Residential Institutions 6.1 Class D1
6.2 Class D2
Class C – Hotels, Hostels and Dwelling Houses
Class C1
Class C1 deals with hotels, boarding houses, guest houses and hostels. This does not include premises which offer care as part of their services. That is to say, these premises ‘regular hotels’ open to the general public, rather than those for guests or residents with special needs.
Class C2
Class C2 does cover such types of premises, providing they are residential:
Hospitals and nursing homes.
Schools, colleges or training centres
Class C3
Class C3 addresses use as a “dwelling house”, as a principal or secondary residence:
This class is formed of 3 parts:
C3(a) covers use by a single person or a family (a couple whether married or not, a person related to one another with members of the family of one of the couple to be treated as members of the family of the other), an employer and certain domestic employees (such as an au pair, nanny, nurse, governess, servant, chauffeur, gardener, secretary and personal assistant), a carer and the person receiving the care and a foster parent and foster child.
C3(b): up to six people living together as a single household and receiving care e.g. supported housing schemes such as those for people with learning disabilities or mental health problems.
C3(c) allows for groups of people (up to six) living together as a single household. This allows for those groupings that do not fall within the C4 HMO definition, but which fell within the previous C3 use class, to be provided for i.e. a small religious community may fall into this section as could a homeowner who is living with a lodger.
Class C4
Houses in multiple occupation - small shared houses occupied by between three and six unrelated individuals, as their only or main residence, who share basic amenities such as a kitchen or bathroom.
Class D – Non-Residential Institutions
Class D1
Class D1 covers many ‘public’ services (which do not fall under Class A):
Medical or health services premises which don’t form a part of the practitioner’s home
Crèches, day nurseries or day centres
Premises for education,
Premises which display works of art without commercial transactions (sale or hire)
Museums
Public libraries or reading rooms
Public or exhibition halls
Premises “for, or in connection with, public worship or religious instruction”
Class D2
Class D2 addresses the use of premises for entertainment and leisure purposes:
Cinemas
Concert halls
Bingo halls or casinos,
Dance halls
Swimming baths, skating rinks, gymnasiums or “area for other indoor or outdoor sports or recreations, not involving motorised vehicles or firearms.”
Yes pretty much grouped together as I said
Class A1 – Shops and retail outlets
For those within Class A1, the customers in all cases should be “visiting members of the general public”. Property in this area could include:
Shops (where goods are sold)
Post offices
Premises where tickets are sold and travel agents
Premises selling cold food (intended for consumption off site)
Hairdressers
Florist
Funeral directors
Premises where goods for sale are displayed
Premises where “domestic or personal” goods or services are hired from
Premises where articles are deposited for washing, cleaning or repair
Sex God
Quote by MidsCouple24
I never said anything about how they describe themselves I said how they were registered with the council. nothing strange about that, it is not done for subterfuge the council know exactly what they are but councils have a tendency to group businesses in a kind of mass format such as my Fitted Kitchen and Bedroom showroom as retail premises and the mini market next door as the same despite the complete difference in products.
But they are both essentially the same type of business - retail. That's not the same as grouping different types of business. Your very long list only shows that you're wrong, as far as I can see.
I can't see any category that gay saunas would fit either.
Sex God
Quote by MidsCouple24
Meanwhile I have a question regarding your statement ......
"Within the next ten years, probably by 2020, we will be at war in Africa. I wonder how many people will agree with us 'going in' at the time, and how many of them will moan about Ugandan immigration then."
What evidence/proof do you have that this Nation will declare war on a or a number of African Nations, or that a Nation or Nations within the Continent of Africa will declare war on the United Kingdom ?
How can Trevaunance attack Jed for posting anything which has only the slightest bit of "personal opinion" or "supposition" when he predicts a war which is up to 10 years in the future ?? Credibility gone !!
John
And that is my point, the list is long but nowhere near long enough, so what do councils do ? bung them in to existing Sauna easy call it a gay sauna there is a legal precedence for being gay so nobody can object, "a club where adults go where we have a hot tub, sauna, steam room, sunbeds and you have to be a member to enter as it is only for private members" hmmm it's swingers club but there is legal precedence for being a swinger, there is no legal precedence for a swingers club, sod it let's just call it a private members health club we have a precedence for them.
Meanwhile back to the subject ........
Meanwhile back to the subject ........
Quote by Lizaleanrob
Because he owner of the said swingers club also owns 3 of the premier swingers clubs in the UK, he told me and I have no reason to doubt his knowledge or integrity.
:laughabove::laughabove:
you do realise that this statement means that all Kent777's post's regarding fat bloke down the pub told him must now be considered true
:rotflmao:of to buy a copy of the factual daily mail now
What an unusual friend you appear to be, if a Doctor friend told you the symptoms you describe to him are those of measles you would not believe him, if a painter friend told you it would be better to sand the item and apply an undercoat you would not believe them, I consider my friend to be an expert in his field owning the 3 most successful gay saunas in the UK, I have no qualms in believing what he says over the guy in the pub who has never even been in to a gay sauna.
Sex God
Quote by MidsCouple24
Because he owner of the said swingers club also owns 3 of the premier swingers clubs in the UK, he told me and I have no reason to doubt his knowledge or integrity.
:laughabove::laughabove:
you do realise that this statement means that all Kent777's post's regarding fat bloke down the pub told him must now be considered true
:rotflmao:of to buy a copy of the factual daily mail now
What an unusual friend you appear to be, if a Doctor friend told you the symptoms you describe to him are those of measles you would not believe him, if a painter friend told you it would be better to sand the item and apply an undercoat you would not believe them, I consider my friend to be an expert in his field owning the 3 most successful gay saunas in the UK, I have no qualms in believing what he says over the guy in the pub who has never even been in to a gay sauna.
my point is mids credible hear say is not factual evidence as far as factual debate is concerned fat bloke down the pub has the very same credibilty as your mate
Quote by MidsCouple24
Because he owner of the said swingers club also owns 3 of the premier swingers clubs in the UK, he told me and I have no reason to doubt his knowledge or integrity.
:laughabove::laughabove:
you do realise that this statement means that all Kent777's post's regarding fat bloke down the pub told him must now be considered true
:rotflmao:of to buy a copy of the factual daily mail now
What an unusual friend you appear to be, if a Doctor friend told you the symptoms you describe to him are those of measles you would not believe him, if a painter friend told you it would be better to sand the item and apply an undercoat you would not believe them, I consider my friend to be an expert in his field owning the 3 most successful gay saunas in the UK, I have no qualms in believing what he says over the guy in the pub who has never even been in to a gay sauna.
According to your earlier post, your friend owns 3 of the premier swinging clubs in the UK. No mention of gay saunas. Do you make it up as you go along?
Mids once again you can not see what you have said.
1. A council presumes when an application is received for a Sauna/spa it is for the same. when that application is for a gay sauna / spay the council presumes it is for exactly that. It doesn't smirk and then presume "fnarr fnarr its really all for guys giving it to one another up the chuff" So I go back to my statement please compare apples to apples.
2. You're listing property classifications, what has that got to do with licencing of a business?
Anyway back to the topic. Its been answered. Next!
1. A council presumes when an application is received for a Sauna/spa it is for the same. when that application is for a gay sauna / spay the council presumes it is for exactly that. It doesn't smirk and then presume "fnarr fnarr its really all for guys giving it to one another up the chuff" So I go back to my statement please compare apples to apples.
2. You're listing property classifications, what has that got to do with licencing of a business?
Anyway back to the topic. Its been answered. Next!
Quote by MidsCouple24
Because he owner of the said swingers club also owns 3 of the premier swingers clubs in the UK, he told me and I have no reason to doubt his knowledge or integrity.
:laughabove::laughabove:
you do realise that this statement means that all Kent777's post's regarding fat bloke down the pub told him must now be considered true
:rotflmao:of to buy a copy of the factual daily mail now
What an unusual friend you appear to be, if a Doctor friend told you the symptoms you describe to him are those of measles you would not believe him, if a painter friend told you it would be better to sand the item and apply an undercoat you would not believe them, I consider my friend to be an expert in his field owning the 3 most successful gay saunas in the UK, I have no qualms in believing what he says over the guy in the pub who has never even been in to a gay sauna.
According to your earlier post, your friend owns 3 of the premier swinging clubs in the UK. No mention of gay saunas. Do you make it up as you go along?
Sexpert
Not sure what 90 percent of this bollocks has to do with Ugandan gays! Whilst you all rip lumps out of each other I might right a letter to the Ugandan gay times! Tell them they might as well stay where they are because we are too busy talking shit to give a damn!
Quote by herts_darlings1
Not sure what 90 percent of this bollocks has to do with Ugandan gays! Whilst you all rip lumps out of each other I might right a letter to the Ugandan gay times! Tell them they might as well stay where they are because we are too busy talking shit to give a damn!
Unfortunately the O.P. Has a tendency to go off on all sorts of tangents and post all sorts of superfluous waffle in order to try and argue his corner. Hence all the ensuing shit!
Sexpert
Quote by Max777
Not sure what 90 percent of this bollocks has to do with Ugandan gays! Whilst you all rip lumps out of each other I might right a letter to the Ugandan gay times! Tell them they might as well stay where they are because we are too busy talking shit to give a damn!
Unfortunately the O.P. Has a tendency to go off on all sorts of tangents and post all sorts of superfluous waffle in order to try and argue his corner. Hence all the ensuing shit!
Not necessarily true,I think this is something that a lot of people feel strongly about on both sides of the argument. I will have my view and I am interested to hear the views of others. Not facile tittle tattle about who said what about this and that and when.
Quote by herts_darlings1
Not sure what 90 percent of this bollocks has to do with Ugandan gays! Whilst you all rip lumps out of each other I might right a letter to the Ugandan gay times! Tell them they might as well stay where they are because we are too busy talking shit to give a damn!
Unfortunately the O.P. Has a tendency to go off on all sorts of tangents and post all sorts of superfluous waffle in order to try and argue his corner. Hence all the ensuing shit!
Not necessarily true,I think this is something that a lot of people feel strongly about on both sides of the argument. I will have my view and I am interested to hear the views of others. Not facile tittle tattle about who said what about this and that and when.
You will see that we answered the question, from both sides of the fence, on the first and second page.
Quote by herts_darlings1
Not sure what 90 percent of this bollocks has to do with Ugandan gays! Whilst you all rip lumps out of each other I might right a letter to the Ugandan gay times! Tell them they might as well stay where they are because we are too busy talking shit to give a damn!
Unfortunately the O.P. Has a tendency to go off on all sorts of tangents and post all sorts of superfluous waffle in order to try and argue his corner. Hence all the ensuing shit!
Not necessarily true,I think this is something that a lot of people feel strongly about on both sides of the argument. I will have my view and I am interested to hear the views of others. Not facile tittle tattle about who said what about this and that and when.
You're entitled to your opinion. I've given mine
