You know UKIP are doing well when the Lefties start their character assassination routines and personal abuse against Farage...
And by the way Dean, as I said before, it took political courage (and yes I did check the meaning) to stay focussed on the euro elections which is his big opportunity and risk the abuse he is now getting than to take the easy route and stand at Newark. A place with which he has no family or business connection and therefore an act which would lay him open to being called an 'opportunist' by the Leftie sandal wearing metropolitan elite.....
heads / tails ...
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You know UKIP are doing well when the Lefties start their character assassination routines and personal abuse against Farage...
And by the way Dean, as I said before, it took political courage (and yes I did check the meaning) to stay focussed on the euro elections which is his big opportunity and risk the abuse he is now getting than to take the easy route and stand at Newark. A place with which he has no family or business connection and therefore an act which would lay him open to being called an 'opportunist' by the Leftie sandal wearing metropolitan elite.....
heads / tails ...
opportunist...is standing in euro-elections where they know turnout is very low and so better chance. This is the Europe parliament they don't agree with. Yet they take the money and don't bother to attend. So tell me....how was standing at Newark an easy route had he taken it ? The person listed that he chose to stand instead....equally has no connections with the are or business in the area....go read about him...a link is provided. Its a joke...listen to and watch that radio interview....he doesn't even know who is standing for election for his party...lol.....the interviewer shows him up so much that the PR man tries to close interview down..and leave...
I have provided information and links to show UKIP and NF as a joke....and scaremongering party ie: third of a million more Romanians and Bulgarians coming over....that's not character assignation or personal abuse...that's the truth which you don't seem to like !!!
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I have provided information and links to show UKIP and NF as a joke....and scaremongering party ie: third of a million more Romanians and Bulgarians coming over....that's not character assignation or personal abuse...that's the truth which you don't seem to like !!!
Have a few links yourself
Labour/Blair Scaremongering on an epic scale ...WMD? 45mins to deploy them?
or traitors in Europe of which non appear to be that of UKIP
Of course Cameron is blameless when it comes to Europe isnt he?
Whatever UKIP are doing it's working if it brings you to the boil as is apparent in here, Nigel Farage, what a guy!
Sex God
First 'spin doctor' cuts short his own leader on LBC interview
Then accusations of hypocrisy have been levelled at UKIP's small business spokesman after it emerged that seven people were arrested for immigration offences in a raid on his restaurant.
The eurosceptic party have made immigration a centrepiece of their election campaign and have stoked controversy with posters warning about the threat of foreign labour to UK jobs.
The Home Office confirmed that seven people were arrested "for a variety of immigration offences" and a civil penalty notice was served after the raid on his Bar and Grill in Manchester on June 1 last year.
The restaurant was set up by UKIP European election candidate Amjad Bashir with his two sons. Having understood to have agreed to an interview on this evenings BBC North West Tonight (regional 18:30 news programme) he then pulled out at short notice.
More 'spin doctor' guidance ?
Then accusations of hypocrisy have been levelled at UKIP's small business spokesman after it emerged that seven people were arrested for immigration offences in a raid on his restaurant.
The eurosceptic party have made immigration a centrepiece of their election campaign and have stoked controversy with posters warning about the threat of foreign labour to UK jobs.
The Home Office confirmed that seven people were arrested "for a variety of immigration offences" and a civil penalty notice was served after the raid on his Bar and Grill in Manchester on June 1 last year.
The restaurant was set up by UKIP European election candidate Amjad Bashir with his two sons. Having understood to have agreed to an interview on this evenings BBC North West Tonight (regional 18:30 news programme) he then pulled out at short notice.
More 'spin doctor' guidance ?
Quote by HnS
First 'spin doctor' cuts short his own leader on LBC interview
Then accusations of hypocrisy have been levelled at UKIP's small business spokesman after it emerged that seven people were arrested for immigration offences in a raid on his restaurant.
The eurosceptic party have made immigration a centrepiece of their election campaign and have stoked controversy with posters warning about the threat of foreign labour to UK jobs.
The Home Office confirmed that seven people were arrested "for a variety of immigration offences" and a civil penalty notice was served after the raid on his Bar and Grill in Manchester on June 1 last year.
The restaurant was set up by UKIP European election candidate Amjad Bashir with his two sons. Having understood to have agreed to an interview on this evenings BBC North West Tonight (regional 18:30 news programme) he then pulled out at short notice.
More 'spin doctor' guidance ?
Sorry H
Was that a vote for or against NF :lol2:
Now, where's Kenty when you need him....
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I have provided information and links to show UKIP and NF as a joke....and scaremongering party ie: third of a million more Romanians and Bulgarians coming over....that's not character assignation or personal abuse...that's the truth which you don't seem to like !!!
Have a few links yourself
Labour/Blair Scaremongering on an epic scale ...WMD? 45mins to deploy them?
read the last lines of the link
A Foreign Office spokesman said: "The joint intelligence committee made a judgment on the basis of knowing everything about the nature of the source and the context."
seems fair enough to me.
or traitors in Europe of which non appear to be that of UKIP
If they were traitors then they would of been tried....you agreeing that the queen should be tried for treason....silly irrelevant link that shows nothing !!Of course Cameron is blameless when it comes to Europe isnt he?
No Cameron is not blameless.....but read the article again...it says all the talk of mass immigration fron Europe is a total lie !! Now I wonder what party is pushing that line right now..!!!
Whatever UKIP are doing it's working if it brings you to the boil as is apparent in here, Nigel Farage, what a guy!
Blood boil...no I simply, just have enough intelligence to see through him and whatever he says. Watch that radio interview and watch him squirm...its such a classic.....even the telegraph a supporter of NF....said.....that after such a disaster and such poor research, he should consider his position. Perhaps he could go and open a restaurant and employ 7 illegal immigrants ...oh sorry his other MEP has already done that..lol
Dean, you don't seem to have so much intelligence as to recognise that they are all the bleeding same!
Why just pick on poor NF? He pisses in the same pot as the best of them.
On the other hand, none of his party's MEP's have been banged up for cheating the tax payer on expenses and cash for questions now, have they?
Get real mate.
Why just pick on poor NF? He pisses in the same pot as the best of them.
On the other hand, none of his party's MEP's have been banged up for cheating the tax payer on expenses and cash for questions now, have they?
Get real mate.
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read the last lines of the link
A Foreign Office spokesman said: "The joint intelligence committee made a judgment on the basis of knowing everything about the nature of the source and the context."
seems fair enough to me.
Fair? Blair and his useless labour Govt sending UK soliders to a pointless death seems fair? really? Wow! In whose eyes? That 'joint intelligence committee' chose to ignore many warnings regarding the source of the WMD claim or 'Curveball'? or had you forgot (more likely chose to ignore) that little nugget? One has only to read about Curveball to see just how flawed both the argument for WMD and the Blair govt were in reaching their 'decisions'
Blood boil...no I simply, just have enough intelligence to see through him and whatever he says.
You see nothing but your own blinkered sense of perception cos if ya did see through Farage you'd see the bigger picture, sadly you do not.
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Watch that radio interview and watch him squirm
Similar to Clegg when Farage beat him all over the park in the TV interviews? Horses for course don't you think?
A few years ago Farage was seen as a mere blip on the political radar but now that his points of view along with his stance on Europe have become popular/fashionable, resonating more with the UK Public than anything the Labour/Tory/Lib Dems has to offer, he has to the political elite become a dirty word, an individual who must be taken down at each and every opportunity by whatever means possible. Farage has zero to worry about, can't say the same for those in Westminster and Europe.
The bigger picture (for me at least) is that it doesn't matter if it's Farage or Joanne Bloggs there is a need for them if nothing more than to split opinion amongst the masses and by doing so hopefully create a more just/fair/reasoned approach to dealing with the UK and it's citizens, particularly if it diminishes the power/stranglehold of Europe over the UK
Well Dean when you have to rely on quotes from The Mirror paper and the Huffington Post Blog (both hardly impartial or factually accurate sources) you really don't do your argument any favours...
Listen. UKIP have touched a nerve over Europe with the British people because we haven't had a direct say on Europe for decades. We never voted for what it has become and we want it changed. 13 years of your best buddies Labour saw us denied TWO referenda when we were promised them the last one being on Lisbon. And THAT was the key one we SHOULD have had our say on because it fundamentally changed what was a trading bloc of the 'European Community (EC)' (itself a clever manipulation of the 'EEC' Britain voted to enter) to the federalist 'European Union' (EU)'. It has all been sleight of hand and gradual erosion of our liberty and democracy and Britain never agreed to this in any way. Brown and Labour should forever be condemned for this one act alone let alone their economic and war crimes. No wonder Wallace & Grommet won't give us an 'in / out' referendum. Their Socialist mindset, dictated by the Unite Union, cannot comprehend that they got it wrong. Socialists always know better than everyone else (Dean!) and will always believe they know how to spend your money and control your life better than the individual which is why they love the EU so much. It is the Socialist Ideal Incarnate!!
As I said before I think Farage and UKIP are a breath of fresh air in EU politics. And as he says they are the turkeys voting for Xmas as they want us to get out and make them redundant. But they are a danger to the National situation as they could be the deciding factor in allowing Ed Ballsup's hands back on the Treasury cash box ... just as we Tories and LibDems have got the economy back on track and growing in a pretty formidable way. Yet again we see a Tory Government pick up the shattered pieces of a British economy abandoned by Labour and put things back together through some very difficult decisions and pain for the British people. Was it ever thus? Wilson, Callaghan, Blair, Brown all screwed us over. And what do we do? We vote OUT those who fixed it and vote IN the twats that f**k it up every time!! Sadly the same may happen again but unintentionally...
Listen. UKIP have touched a nerve over Europe with the British people because we haven't had a direct say on Europe for decades. We never voted for what it has become and we want it changed. 13 years of your best buddies Labour saw us denied TWO referenda when we were promised them the last one being on Lisbon. And THAT was the key one we SHOULD have had our say on because it fundamentally changed what was a trading bloc of the 'European Community (EC)' (itself a clever manipulation of the 'EEC' Britain voted to enter) to the federalist 'European Union' (EU)'. It has all been sleight of hand and gradual erosion of our liberty and democracy and Britain never agreed to this in any way. Brown and Labour should forever be condemned for this one act alone let alone their economic and war crimes. No wonder Wallace & Grommet won't give us an 'in / out' referendum. Their Socialist mindset, dictated by the Unite Union, cannot comprehend that they got it wrong. Socialists always know better than everyone else (Dean!) and will always believe they know how to spend your money and control your life better than the individual which is why they love the EU so much. It is the Socialist Ideal Incarnate!!
As I said before I think Farage and UKIP are a breath of fresh air in EU politics. And as he says they are the turkeys voting for Xmas as they want us to get out and make them redundant. But they are a danger to the National situation as they could be the deciding factor in allowing Ed Ballsup's hands back on the Treasury cash box ... just as we Tories and LibDems have got the economy back on track and growing in a pretty formidable way. Yet again we see a Tory Government pick up the shattered pieces of a British economy abandoned by Labour and put things back together through some very difficult decisions and pain for the British people. Was it ever thus? Wilson, Callaghan, Blair, Brown all screwed us over. And what do we do? We vote OUT those who fixed it and vote IN the twats that f**k it up every time!! Sadly the same may happen again but unintentionally...
now then....lets see our lowest points in last few years.....3 day week....rubbish piling up the street...oh yes that was ted heath...and the conservatives.....black Wednesday.....oh yes that was john major and the conservatives.....poll tax mass roits in our streets...oh yes that was Margaret thatcher and the conservatives.....
Does seem you need to take a look around and maybe taking off the blinkers will help.
Does seem you need to take a look around and maybe taking off the blinkers will help.
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now then....lets see our lowest points in last few years.....3 day week....rubbish piling up the street...oh yes that was ted heath...and the conservatives.....black Wednesday.....oh yes that was john major and the conservatives.....poll tax mass roits in our streets...oh yes that was Margaret thatcher and the conservatives.....
Does seem you need to take a look around and maybe taking off the blinkers will help.
Oh dean.
Still hanging on? Just like GB when he wouldn't leave Downing Street after losing the last election?? Ah well.
Rubbish piling up on the streets... Union problem
Black Wednesday... not at all as bad as GB flogging off the gold reserves at rock bottom prices...
Poll Tax... you still happy with the amount people are having to pay now? The so called poll tax was a fair tax. Just like Labour calling something else the 'bedroom' tax - which it is not.
There are all the bleeding same mate... Same meat, different gravy every time (only in UK you ask for beef and get horse - not unlike voting Bliar and getting Brown really
) lol...GNV...do you think before you type..lol
saying the three day week was unions fault....is like saying the twin towers terrorist attack was actually Americas doing !!!
Black Wednesday is regarded by anyone with financial noose as our lowest point economically ever.....
Poll tax fair..lol.....that's why mass riots on the streets eh !!! One person lives in a house....or 6 people live in a house...you still only get one bin removed and emptied !!! No tax is wholely fair to all, but the Poll tax was the worst thought out tax ever.
I and I think anyone with a grain of thought would list the three occurrences listed above as Britain's worst situations in recent history.
saying the three day week was unions fault....is like saying the twin towers terrorist attack was actually Americas doing !!!
Black Wednesday is regarded by anyone with financial noose as our lowest point economically ever.....
Poll tax fair..lol.....that's why mass riots on the streets eh !!! One person lives in a house....or 6 people live in a house...you still only get one bin removed and emptied !!! No tax is wholely fair to all, but the Poll tax was the worst thought out tax ever.
I and I think anyone with a grain of thought would list the three occurrences listed above as Britain's worst situations in recent history.
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lol...GNV...do you think before you type..lol
saying the three day week was unions fault....is like saying the twin towers terrorist attack was actually Americas doing !!!
Black Wednesday is regarded by anyone with financial noose as our lowest point economically ever.....
Poll tax fair..lol.....that's why mass riots on the streets eh !!! One person lives in a house....or 6 people live in a house...you still only get one bin removed and emptied !!! No tax is wholely fair to all, but the Poll tax was the worst thought out tax ever.
I and I think anyone with a grain of thought would list the three occurrences listed above as Britain's worst situations in recent history.
HoHo...
Ok, black Wednesday leaving the ERM. Labour? The Pound in your pocket etc... (you're probably too young)
3 day week... Coal miners... (oh yes, we've been there already) Thank goodness someone stood up to the commie barstewards. As for the Americans doing the twin towers... it probably was - CIA an' all
Poll Tax - your example. Yes. It doesn't matter how much is IN the bin.. it still has to be collected FFS (although under Labour, it became less frequent) just as much as you still must pay for schools even if you don't have kids.
Your turn :kick:
And oh, when you know what you're talking about, there is little need to think before typing...
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now then....lets see our lowest points in last few years.....3 day week....rubbish piling up the street...oh yes that was ted heath...and the conservatives.....black Wednesday.....oh yes that was john major and the conservatives.....poll tax mass roits in our streets...oh yes that was Margaret thatcher and the conservatives.....
Does seem you need to take a look around and maybe taking off the blinkers will help.
Oh dear Dean ...stop digging the hole my friend!!
Ah yes our 'Lowest Points':
The 3 day week was Ted Heath's necessary reaction to the vicious militant thugs in Unions who were insidiously destroying our economy and country through strike after strike after strike. And not ONE closed ballot. So why do you blame the guy defending our society and trying to keep the lights on and NOT the Leftie fuckwits who were causing the problem demanding excessive wages, overmanning and closed shop agreements?
The rubbish piling up in the streets Dean was the 'Winter of Discontent' under Labour in 1979! talk about an 'own goal'!! And it wasn't just rubbish in the streets it was bodies unburied, hospitals being picketed and people subjected to verbal and physical abuse by Union thugs. Ted Heath tried and failed to control the Unions. Callaghan never even tried and gave that incredible reply "Crisis? What Crisis?" And how do I know this? Because I was bloody there my friend!
Black Wednesday was as much a failure of the ERM as Major's policy (not that Labour voted AGAINST joining it of course)and why the Tories will never go into ANY Monetary Union like the Euro. Or with Wee Eck's independent Scotland. But despite that f**k up Major still handed over an excellent economy to Blair which he and Brown duly screwed over as all Labour Governments do. And Blair never learned the lesson of the ERM. He wanted us to join the Euro ffs!!
The so called 'Poll Tax' may have been badly implemented (alienating the Scots in the process) but it was hardly the Country's lowest point and it WAS part of the Tories election winning Manifesto in '87. So it was hardly a surprise or underhand. The British people voted for it. But it was Maggie's lowest point though but given her record I will allow her one f**k up. And by the way the 'Community Charge' (its proper title) isn't that different to the 'Council Tax' you now pay. What goes round comes around.
So in summary of the 4 points you raised one was caused by Unions, oh and another was caused by Unions aided by a Labour Government, one was International Currency speculators and one was a an implementation disaster of a policy we had all voted for. And what we use now! Way to go Dean. Sadly we don't have server space to respond with the Labour f**k ups and illegal wars ....
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saying the three day week was unions fault....is like saying the twin towers terrorist attack was actually Americas doing !!!
I and I think anyone with a grain of thought would list the three occurrences listed above as Britain's worst situations in recent history.
Well given the USA funds Israel to the tune of $3Billion a year and counting, Israel has been carrying out nothing short of murder and ethnic cleansing against Muslim Palestinians for 60 years and Israeli settlers continue to steal what's left of Palestinian land then maybe you can say America's own foreign policies were the direct cause of 9 / 11. And of course our own 07 /07 in London because we blindly supported the USA.
And sorry Dean you actually quoted four instances not three with two directly attributable to the Tories who were STILL re-elected even after the Poll Tax. Accuracy always assists debate....
Now I would offer:
The Iraq War (Labour)
Afghanistan War (Labour)
Giving away UK Gold reserves (Labour)
Sterling devaluations (Labour)
UK Bankruptcy needing IMF funds (Labour)
The financial collapse '08 (Labour)
etc etc ....
Quote by Chish
saying the three day week was unions fault....is like saying the twin towers terrorist attack was actually Americas doing !!!
I and I think anyone with a grain of thought would list the three occurrences listed above as Britain's worst situations in recent history.
Well given the USA funds Israel to the tune of $3Billion a year and counting, Israel has been carrying out nothing short of murder and ethnic cleansing against Muslim Palestinians for 60 years and Israeli settlers continue to steal what's left of Palestinian land then maybe you can say America's own foreign policies were the direct cause of 9 / 11. And of course our own 07 /07 in London because we blindly supported the USA.
And sorry Dean you actually quoted four instances not three with two directly attributable to the Tories who were STILL re-elected even after the Poll Tax. Accuracy always assists debate....
Now I would offer:
The Iraq War (Labour)
Afghanistan War (Labour)
Giving away UK Gold reserves (Labour)
Sterling devaluations (Labour)
UK Bankruptcy needing IMF funds (Labour)
The financial collapse '08 (Labour)
etc etc ....
do you really believe what you have written above....Britain and America are to blame for the terror attacks !!
the Iraq and afghanan war were both supported by the Tories !! Were they correct....well personally I supported the Afghan conflict but didn't the Iraq.
Neither may I add did I support the Argentina conflict...could of been resolved by negation easily in my humble opinion.
UK being bankrupt....please show me where and when that was. We were in debt, and borrowed from IMF to get out of it. It was Dennis Healley when he first got into office, as the debt was so high left by previous Tory administration
The financial collapse of 2008 was not exactly a British situation...it was a worldwide !!
What it in reality shows is that no one party is all good or all bad. You just tend to choose the one to vote for that has less bad.
Going back to original post I would never go near any party who's leader says he would not like Romanians living next door to him...says he and others feel uncomfortable around gay people, who's party has candidates that tell Lenny Henry to go home to Africa.....( and Lenny is a good Black country lad from Dudley as well ) , who has people in his party who state they want to stop immigration and cheap labour taking British jobs..and then employs seven illegal immigrants. etc etc....I would urge you to listen to the radio interview....and if you still think he is worth a vote then fine....but listening to it, I can not see how anyone would give him the time of day !!!
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I know I have won when GnV....can't think of anything else to say !!
It's not really my argument dean...
After all, as I said earlier in the thread (if you were taking notice) I couldn't care a flying fuck about NF or any of the others come to think of it. I had a postal vote for the election next week but looking at the list I couldn't be bothered to spend the few centimes it would cost to send the vote back. All of them a bunch of pricks, to be honest (even the female ones!) :lol2:
Besides, it's good manners to let Chish speak for himself in response to your most recent errr... what might you call it? missive??
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do you really believe what you have written above....Britain and America are to blame for the terror attacks !!
the Iraq and afghanan war were both supported by the Tories !! Were they correct....well personally I supported the Afghan conflict but didn't the Iraq.
Neither may I add did I support the Argentina conflict...could of been resolved by negation easily in my humble opinion.
UK being bankrupt....please show me where and when that was. We were in debt, and borrowed from IMF to get out of it. It was Dennis Healley when he first got into office, as the debt was so high left by previous Tory administration
The financial collapse of 2008 was not exactly a British situation...it was a worldwide !!
What it in reality shows is that no one party is all good or all bad. You just tend to choose the one to vote for that has less bad.
Going back to original post I would never go near any party who's leader says he would not like Romanians living next door to him...says he and others feel uncomfortable around gay people, who's party has candidates that tell Lenny Henry to go home to Africa.....( and Lenny is a good Black country lad from Dudley as well ) , who has people in his party who state they want to stop immigration and cheap labour taking British jobs..and then employs seven illegal immigrants. etc etc....I would urge you to listen to the radio interview....and if you still think he is worth a vote then fine....but listening to it, I can not see how anyone would give him the time of day !!!
Thanks for misquoting me....
My point, which clearly went over your head, was that its cause and effect. We never had a 'Middle East Crisis' until 1948 when the USA strong-armed the UN into recognising Israel (a country born out of terrorism that killed British soldiers protecting Palestinians) and it has since funded that country to the tune of hundreds of Billions of dollars. Given that connection only fail to see the connection between the murder of Palestinian women and children by the hundreds (google Shatilla camp), the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from their homelands and the revenge sought by Jihadist Muslims on 9 / 11.
Ah yes Tory support:
It is accepted convention that when the Armed Forces are being deployed Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition supports the Government of the day. Especially when they are misled by tall stories about WMDs and 45 minutes to Armageddon! Let alone sexed up Dossiers.
Now you do need to check dates and facts before making sarcastic replies Dean:
It was 1976, Harold Wilson had been defeated in the Commons. He resigned and it was Callaghan (not Healey) who came to Office and had to go begging to the IMF for the biggest loan they had ever made. NOTHING to do with the Tories! It needed special support from the USA and others and the Yanks demanded we cancel TSR2 and buy the F111 as the price for their agreement. I think Official Archives are good places to research:
2008 / 09:
If it was nothing to do with the Government and its regulation of banks why did we suffer more than any other country? Of course the crisis started in the USA when they started selling toilet paper bonds and it all imploded. But with regulation here split between 3 organisations and none of whom were actually regulating because Labour were 'intensely relaxed about wealth' our banks imploded more than others. The worst being the two Scots banks which in view of the referendum in September makes me wish they had been independent years ago ...
All the same?
I think not Dean. Since WWII there has been a repeating scenario of Labour f**king up the economy one way or another and the Tories (and this Coalition) having to repair the damage. You name me ONE instance where Labour took over a failed economy and left it in better state?.... we won't hold our breath.
Dean you are showing a very uninformed opinion, your opinion and I respect it, but I totally disagree with it.
We went into conflict with Argentina because they invaded our people and the land they live on.
Galteri invaded the Falkland Islands for one reasons and one reason only, because his Country where in Dire straits, his Junta were in trouble and his dictatorship was in danger of being ousted, inflation was amazingly out of control, unemployment rife, unrest inevitable and a popular uprising in the making, he invaded the Falkland Islands to deflect from the Nations problems at home, suddenly the rumblings stopped, the people rejoiced, their beloved Malvinas were back under their control, if he had negotiated a withdrawal he would have been lynched by his own people, Britain could not accept anything other than a complete withdrawal of Argentine troops, too much was at stake, the Falkland Islands are a huge asset for the UK's atlantic fleet, it is vital for access to any resources in antartica in the future, it is populated by British subject who wish to remain British. It would have sent the wrong message to other nations who claim British Territory such as Malta, Gibralter, The Channel Islands and so on.
The Gulf War was about Oil, and quite rightly so, Saddam had for a long time tried to gain control of the middle eastern oilfields, his failed war with Iran was part of this stratedgy, his eyes on Kuwait then Saudia Arabia, Syria etc.
If one man controls all the Middle Eastern oil we have problems, a shortage of oil should they cut our supplies would devastate the UK and many other European nations, Our trucks would not move, our industry would not be able to switch on its machinery, our schools would have to close with no heating, shops would have nothing to sell etc.
The Afghan war is simply because the US wanted to go in, and we have to follow them, we rely on their Military Support, our decimated forces, out of date equipment, plastic ships, 40 year old fighter planes, lack of carriers and so on means that we would be easy prey to any Nation that decided to fight us, but we know we will have US support because they rely on our military support (not in what we can do but what it means to be able to say that a UN, European Nation of such standing is supporting whatever war they start next, ie politically.
There is no way we would have invaded Afghanistan if it wasn't for our puppet masters will being brought to bear. however we are there and I support our troops to the Nth degree.
We went into conflict with Argentina because they invaded our people and the land they live on.
Galteri invaded the Falkland Islands for one reasons and one reason only, because his Country where in Dire straits, his Junta were in trouble and his dictatorship was in danger of being ousted, inflation was amazingly out of control, unemployment rife, unrest inevitable and a popular uprising in the making, he invaded the Falkland Islands to deflect from the Nations problems at home, suddenly the rumblings stopped, the people rejoiced, their beloved Malvinas were back under their control, if he had negotiated a withdrawal he would have been lynched by his own people, Britain could not accept anything other than a complete withdrawal of Argentine troops, too much was at stake, the Falkland Islands are a huge asset for the UK's atlantic fleet, it is vital for access to any resources in antartica in the future, it is populated by British subject who wish to remain British. It would have sent the wrong message to other nations who claim British Territory such as Malta, Gibralter, The Channel Islands and so on.
The Gulf War was about Oil, and quite rightly so, Saddam had for a long time tried to gain control of the middle eastern oilfields, his failed war with Iran was part of this stratedgy, his eyes on Kuwait then Saudia Arabia, Syria etc.
If one man controls all the Middle Eastern oil we have problems, a shortage of oil should they cut our supplies would devastate the UK and many other European nations, Our trucks would not move, our industry would not be able to switch on its machinery, our schools would have to close with no heating, shops would have nothing to sell etc.
The Afghan war is simply because the US wanted to go in, and we have to follow them, we rely on their Military Support, our decimated forces, out of date equipment, plastic ships, 40 year old fighter planes, lack of carriers and so on means that we would be easy prey to any Nation that decided to fight us, but we know we will have US support because they rely on our military support (not in what we can do but what it means to be able to say that a UN, European Nation of such standing is supporting whatever war they start next, ie politically.
There is no way we would have invaded Afghanistan if it wasn't for our puppet masters will being brought to bear. however we are there and I support our troops to the Nth degree.
Sex God
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......We went into conflict with Argentina because they invaded our people and the land they live on......
Interesting debate that's strayed far from the initial thread of "UKIP Party Political Broadcast". ... I don't know a lot about politics, I am one of many voters who would have to admit that, I had decided to vote UKIP this time round, I want changes in the EU or out of it.
Having listened to the 2 minute Party Political Broadcast they have just made I am re-thinking my choice......
However Mids, our people ?
"Predominantly of British descent, the Islands population also includes large Chilean and St Helenian communities."
"Under the terms of the Falkland Islands Constitution....Elected Members have a substantial measure of responsibility for the conduct of affairs concerning the Falkland Islands, although the Governor retains responsibility for foreign affairs and defence. The Governor nevertheless consults regularly with Members on these issues"
source
Techically the Falkland Islands are a self-governing British Overseas Territory and under the 2009 Constitution, the islands have full internal self-government. There are fourteen British Overseas Territories and they are not part of the United Kingdom, though their relationship (Falklands) with the UK is managed by the Foreign Office.
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Quote by MidsCouple24
We went into conflict with Argentina because they invaded our people and the land they live on.
The Afghan war is simply because the US wanted to go in, and we have to follow them, we rely on their Military Support, our decimated forces, out of date equipment, plastic ships, 40 year old fighter planes, lack of carriers and so on means that we would be easy prey to any Nation that decided to fight us, but we know we will have US support because they rely on our military support (not in what we can do but what it means to be able to say that a UN, European Nation of such standing is supporting whatever war they start next, ie politically.
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I didn't bite on Dean's comment on the Falklands because I fear I would have exceeded Forum rules for very personal reasons. However you made the required points much better than I would have done.
Where I do depart from your comments is the current equipment of our Forces. I think, given Labour's wrecked economy and £35Billion black hole in the MoD budget the 2010 SDSR made some necessary and forward looking decisions. I believe it had to take out the waste of time projects like Nimrod and others (sadly) like the Harrier and Ark Royal which were getting very expensive to maintain. No one with military pride in their blood wants to see forces reduced but that is one of Labour's legacies that no one mentions. This Coalition have actually delivered some pretty good equipment, where and when it was needed and while I know Wiki isn't Janes I would appreciate your professional views on this link:
As for my old mob we don't actually have 40 year old fighter planes any more! Typhoon is a state of the art fighter which has frit the Yank's F22 Craptors more than once in RAF and Luftwaffe hands. It has proved its GA abilities in Libya and is developing as a top line multi-role (and mid role switchable) aircraft platform. OK the Tornado is 35 years old (but not a fighter) and is still a formidable platform with recent upgrades. And of course it will be replaced by the F35 in a few years time (yet another debate!). Fat Alberts (which I suspect you know well) are being replaced by A400s, we have recent C17s and new Voyagers have replaced old Tristars and VC10s.
As for the Matelots I am pretty sure they are looking forward not back with the Type 45 Destroyers, Astute submarines, 2 new carriers and F35 aircraft (all three ships the very best in the world bar none) while the Type 23 Frigates are being replaced with state of the art Type 26 in 6 years.
That is a lot of expenditure creating a lot of new technology and massive employment in key industries in the UK. We now MAKE things again. Oh and I suspect the minesweeper crews are very grateful their ships are indeed plastic ...
Sex God
So Mark Reckless defects from the Conservative to ukip and wins back his seat.
so what do the British public want?
the UK public have long suffered broken promises from our self serving political parties, we have also suffered some of the bizarre laws that the European community have instilled on our way of life.
add the controversial immigration arguments and Boom we have a party that offers an alternative to what we have suffered since the mid 70's
I'm personally not sure that ukips policies can now be dismissed and although i don't agree with the type of extremism they represent, i do feel we need to take back control of our own country and establish a type of Independence that creates and not destroys.
no longer can we dismiss UKIP fact
so what do the British public want?
the UK public have long suffered broken promises from our self serving political parties, we have also suffered some of the bizarre laws that the European community have instilled on our way of life.
add the controversial immigration arguments and Boom we have a party that offers an alternative to what we have suffered since the mid 70's
I'm personally not sure that ukips policies can now be dismissed and although i don't agree with the type of extremism they represent, i do feel we need to take back control of our own country and establish a type of Independence that creates and not destroys.
no longer can we dismiss UKIP fact
Sex God
Gut feeling at the moment come next May.
Again no overall majority for a single Party, however with the Lib Dems 'dead in the water', they'll be ditched from being asked to form another coalition by either Conservatives or Labour, so with the likely next largest group/party being UKIP, then guessing right will link with right and we get Cameron/Farage having tea in the Rose Garden.
Scares the bejeesus out of us
:eeek:
Granted a they say a week is a long time in politics, so as 6 months away things might change
Again no overall majority for a single Party, however with the Lib Dems 'dead in the water', they'll be ditched from being asked to form another coalition by either Conservatives or Labour, so with the likely next largest group/party being UKIP, then guessing right will link with right and we get Cameron/Farage having tea in the Rose Garden.
Scares the bejeesus out of us
:eeek:
Granted a they say a week is a long time in politics, so as 6 months away things might change
Sexpert
Quote by Toots
So many choices on who not to vote for....Eeeny meeny ..
But anyway, Nigel Farage has a nice tie so he has my vote.
If we judge suitability to lead on the standard of a man's tie then I should go into politics! I have some lovely ties. Can't help thinking it is a bit sexist though as most ladies don't feel comfortable in a tie. Although using the same theory,I always thought Condalisa Rice must have been a good politician as she always looked like she smelt lovely. Sadly Mr Farage does not look very fragrant and 2 hours after that photo was taken it was covered in beer and gravy stains
