I have always felt I belong to the human race within the world we live in, not just to a country that divides us by water.
As we have no choice when born where we come out and from who to where we find ourselves being.
How can we then decide to be patriotic to the one country we find ourselves in?
We can feel grateful for our surroundings and to whom we have been given birth from but to feel any better than or better off then to me is just luck.
Why do we just need to feel patriotic to our birthplace?
There is a lot about the world around us that inspires me and takes my breath away.
So I don’t feel totally attached to one country there are many others too, for all sorts of reasons.
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What is the meaning of patriotic?
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"a person who vigorously supports their country and is prepared to defend it ".
That is the dictionary definition.
Luckily for all of us there were many men and women, who WERE patriotic in 1939. Also that there are people before then and after, who not only support their country but more importantly, to defend it.
I know I knock this country on many issues, but I DO support it in many ways, and would defend it.
When England play football next year people will support them and wave their flags, that is being patriotic. It is about a sense of being, where you belong sort of thing.
There are many things that can make one patriotic, not just about where you was born but that is the major thing I think.
That is the dictionary definition.
Luckily for all of us there were many men and women, who WERE patriotic in 1939. Also that there are people before then and after, who not only support their country but more importantly, to defend it.
I know I knock this country on many issues, but I DO support it in many ways, and would defend it.
When England play football next year people will support them and wave their flags, that is being patriotic. It is about a sense of being, where you belong sort of thing.
There are many things that can make one patriotic, not just about where you was born but that is the major thing I think.
Sex God
i am in Wales and have been for the past 19 years it is a country i love dearly and feel patriotic towards it and support the welsh assembly and any sport that Wales competes in ... i was born English and feel slightly patriotic towards England but no where near as much as i do for Wales. patriotism to me is about being loyal to the country you feel most at home with and would support them no matter how well they was doing at the time patriotism to others means different things and no one answer to what patriotism is are correct unless you take the dictionary definition literally
I think the word patriotic is an ambiguous word.
People will interpret it what way they like a few of the meaning below I have copied from Google.
Reading these forums at times I don't feel the main example of what patriotic means flows through "to love ones country"
These are the meanings I found
Feeling, expressing, or inspired by love for one's country
Among the ancient Greeks, patriotism consisted of notions concerning language, religious traditions, ethics, law and devotion to the common good, rather than pure identification with a nation-state.
I think I prefer the ancient Greeks meaning but then they were always thought to be advanced for their time.
People will interpret it what way they like a few of the meaning below I have copied from Google.
Reading these forums at times I don't feel the main example of what patriotic means flows through "to love ones country"
These are the meanings I found
Feeling, expressing, or inspired by love for one's country
Among the ancient Greeks, patriotism consisted of notions concerning language, religious traditions, ethics, law and devotion to the common good, rather than pure identification with a nation-state.
I think I prefer the ancient Greeks meaning but then they were always thought to be advanced for their time.
Quote by kentswingers777
"a person who vigorously supports their country and is prepared to defend it ".
That is the dictionary definition.
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this is also the line the BNP quote when standing outside a mosque waving flags..shouting go home *******
Fact is its a fine line....I'm love England...and I actually love my area..The Black Country .. and I'm proud to say thats where I am from.
I see no wrong in flying a union jack or St Georges flag...as long as its not in the face of someone where it is likely to incite violence and hatred back.
Quote by deancannock
"a person who vigorously supports their country and is prepared to defend it ".
That is the dictionary definition.
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this is also the line the BNP quote when standing outside a mosque waving flags..shouting go home*******
Fact is its a fine line....I'm love England...and I actually love my area..The Black Country .. and I'm proud to say thats where I am from.
I see no wrong in flying a union jack or St Georges flag...as long as its not in the face of someone where it is likely to incite violence and hatred back.
Can you show me where they quote that? I would be interested to see that on film.
Or would you like me to show you what filth those Muslims were shouting at our troops in Luton, and btw I watched the police stand by why they shouted it. Had that of been the BNP I am sure half the metropolitan police would have been there. That IS on film.
You see there lies the problem nowadays, where to SOME the flying of the flag IS racist, as SOME see it as a symbol of racism. What a load of old poppycock.
Oh yes it is ok to spout what the BNP say or don't say, but never seem to mention what others can say. That is called selective memory.
I feel myself being born and bred in South London that to be patriotic, to SOME means I am either a Nationalist or a racist. That I am afraid is a fact in some parts of this green and pleasant land of ours.
I certainly don,t take too much notice of what the BNP says as I do not think they are anywhere near strong enough to pose any kind of threat to our way of life,can we say the same of others I wonder? For plenty of people are turning towards the BNP,and there has to ne a reason for this, and has to be addressed.
Patriotism Quotations
Heroism on command, senseless violence, and all the loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism - how passionately I hate them!
Albert Einstein
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.
Mark Twain
I define nothing. Not beauty, not patriotism. I take each thing as it is, without prior rules about what it should be.
Bob Dylan
Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism.
George Washington
Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious.
Oscar Wilde
Each nation feels superior to other nations. That breeds patriotism - and wars.
Dale Carnegie
Liberals become indignant when you question their patriotism, but simultaneously work overtime to give terrorists a cushion for the next attack and laugh at dumb Americans who love their country and hate the enemy.
Ann Coulter
You'll never have a quiet world till you knock the patriotism out of the human race.
George Bernard Shaw
Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all others because you were born in it.
George Bernard Shaw
Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first; nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first.
Charles de Gaulle
Quote by JTSHow is it that I agree with both an Yank and Frog not only in the same day but the same post?
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Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.
Mark Twain
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Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first; nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first.
Charles de Gaulle
Sexpert
Americans are so patriotic and sometimes overly so.
Sexpert
I was about to answer kentswingers777 question when Theladyisaminx you took the words right out of my mouth, your so right.
How can you be " overly so " ?
Quote by Theladyisaminx
Easily, by believing you are better than anyone else!
Americans are so patriotic and sometimes overly so.
How can you be " overly so " ?
Quote by Nicekat
I was about to answer kentswingers777 question when Theladyisaminx you took the words right out of my mouth, your so right.
Easily, by believing you are better than anyone else!
Americans are so patriotic and sometimes overly so.
How can you be " overly so " ?
I thought it was common sense!
Quote by Theladyisaminx
I was about to answer kentswingers777 question when Theladyisaminx you took the words right out of my mouth, your so right.
Easily, by believing you are better than anyone else!
Americans are so patriotic and sometimes overly so.
How can you be " overly so " ?
I thought it was common sense!
You think Minxy?
So being too patriotic is " thinking you are better than everyone else? ". Hmmmmm.
Sorry but with attitudes like that about patriotism, no wonder it is in such short supply in England. I struggle to remember hearing such rubbish. :wink:
Minxy.....did you really think I would agree with you?
We could certainly do with a few more patriots around, but don't want others thinking you would be better than anyone else now......do we? :shock:
What social Liberalism at it's worst. :lol:
Certainly won't see you at the last night of the proms.....too British for ya? :wink:
Quote by kentswingers777
I was about to answer kentswingers777 question when Theladyisaminx you took the words right out of my mouth, your so right.
Easily, by believing you are better than anyone else!
Americans are so patriotic and sometimes overly so.
How can you be " overly so " ?
I thought it was common sense!
You think Minxy?
So being too patriotic is " thinking you are better than everyone else? ". Hmmmmm.
Sorry but with attitudes like that about patriotism, no wonder it is in such short supply in England. I struggle to remember hearing such rubbish. :wink:
Minxy.....did you really think I would agree with you?
We could certainly do with a few more patriots around, but don't want others thinking you would be better than anyone else now......do we? :shock:
What social Liberalism at it's worst. :lol:
Certainly won't see you at the last night of the proms.....too British for ya? :wink:
one thing for sure kenty...your patrotic to yourself..as you certainly think your better than everyone else.
Quote by kentswingers777
I was about to answer kentswingers777 question when Theladyisaminx you took the words right out of my mouth, your so right.
Easily, by believing you are better than anyone else!
Americans are so patriotic and sometimes overly so.
How can you be " overly so " ?
I thought it was common sense!
You think Minxy?
So being too patriotic is " thinking you are better than everyone else? ". Hmmmmm.
Kent have you not felt the americans in general believe their country is better than others?
When I have said you, I meant as a country not one person, although you can also apply that to individuals.
Sorry but with attitudes like that about patriotism, no wonder it is in such short supply in England. I struggle to remember hearing such rubbish. :wink:
What attitude are you refering too?
I am a little confused here, is it the attitude or a belief I do not think I am better or my contry is to all others and that I dont hold myself in such high esteem to believe I am better from other humans?
I like my attitude some with not agree with it, but hey there is no pleasing all of the people all of the time.
Minxy.....did you really think I would agree with you?
No I guessed you wouldn't, it comes as no suprise :wink:
We could certainly do with a few more patriots around, but don't want others thinking you would be better than anyone else now......do we? :shock:
What social Liberalism at it's worst. :lol:
777 I like the way you always try to politically label me, it does amuse me a lot to be honest.
As I have unlike some wondering views and as yet there is no party I would completely attatch myself too, but am pleased you have worked me out before I have myself.
All I concern my self about is what impact would any of my actions have on others, this I apply to everything in life. As long as I am aware of that in all I do in life then I am happy.
Doesn't take a lot to make me happy. :wink:
Certainly won't see you at the last night of the proms.....too British for ya? :wink:
Kent everything have its extreems I am lucky to be British to be who I am. As to be british has given me the freedom luckily to educate myself, maybe this is a wrong thing as that education has taught me, I or my country is not the most important thing in the world.
The whole world is all important to all of us and all that lives in it.
I was simply stating that history is littered with conflicts because groups of people were too patriotic. This lead to beliefs that they were better and superior to all other groups.
Two world wars in history are the result of patriotism gone to far.
What makes us any better than anyone else?
Quote by Cherrytree
Kent, I challenge you to repost the above, leave in your opinions and take out your rubbishing of other people's opinions.
You know, just for interest.
Cherry.....I think you need to understand mine and Minxys " banter " with each other.
We are friends on here, have spoken many times on the phone and Minxy knows me and knows that I wind her up many times.
Am sure Minxy will agree with the above comments from me.
We wind each other up and have done now for ages, so I will not repost that, as Minxy knows me and takes my comments with the preveriable pinch of salt that maybe others should?
Quote by kentswingers777
What makes us better is being " English ". So many people opt to come here....I wonder why?
I do not think you can ever be overly patriotic.
Royal Britania......
*baffled*
So, the UK's
*education system
*criminal justice system
*political system
*welfare system
*civil liberties
*feral thugs
*etc...etc...etc...
are all things that get on your tits so much, you feel the need to vent your spleen on a daily basis.
You want to move to Spain.
And yet- this is the country thats better than everywhere else?
Quote by kentswingers777
Kent, I challenge you to repost the above, leave in your opinions and take out your rubbishing of other people's opinions.
You know, just for interest.
Cherry.....I think you need to understand mine and Minxys " banter " with each other.
We are friends on here, have spoken many times on the phone and Minxy knows me and knows that I wind her up many times.
Am sure Minxy will agree with the above comments from me.
We wind each other up and have done now for ages, so I will not repost that, as Minxy knows me and takes my comments with the preveriable pinch of salt that maybe others should?
Kent while that is true, I will always challenge your beliefs or political stance as I do a lot, we totally disagree on most points there.
That we can accept that we can get on chatting about other stuff and have a bit of banter, we are so different on a lot of our beliefs but as I said I like a challenge. the fact we can do that and not fall out over it, goes to show that we go about it in adult fashion, I like a good balanced debate, as long as it isnt a personal attack, but I must say you are not always logical in your arguement.
Quote by Witchy
What makes us better is being " English ". So many people opt to come here....I wonder why?
I do not think you can ever be overly patriotic.
Royal Britania......
*baffled*
So, the UK's
*education system
*criminal justice system
*political system
*welfare system
*civil liberties
*feral thugs
*etc...etc...etc...
are all things that get on your tits so much, you feel the need to vent your spleen on a daily basis.
You want to move to Spain.
And yet- this is the country thats better than everywhere else?
Totally agree with your points! :thumbup:
I think he is somewhat confused. :therethere:
Quote by Witchy
What makes us better is being " English ". So many people opt to come here....I wonder why?
I do not think you can ever be overly patriotic.
Royal Britania......
*baffled*
So, the UK's
*education system
*criminal justice system
*political system
*welfare system
*civil liberties
*feral thugs
*etc...etc...etc...
are all things that get on your tits so much, you feel the need to vent your spleen on a daily basis.
You want to move to Spain.
And yet- this is the country thats better than everywhere else?
Has the " patriotic " thing completly passed you by? :shock:
As I have said MANY times....there are many things I do not like about this country but, it is where I was born, where I grew up, where my family are, plus I have a sense of being that I possibly would not get in another country. That is what being patriotic is all about.
Yes the things you mention above are all true, can anyone say we do not have serious problems in those areas of society?
Of course when I can retire I would like to move abroad for a more peaceful lifestyle, with the lovely weather, and the more relaxed arena.
When I am on holiday I see a different persona in people abroad than I do here, but that does not detract from the fact this is HOME, and always will be no matter what the problems are.
I pay my taxes and that gives me the right to have a say, and come next year will entitle me to have a small say in who is elected.....as we all will. I will not get that same right abroad if and when I move there, unless I change my nationality which I never would, as I am English, always will be no matter what colour blue you want to paint the picture.
Quote by Theladyisaminx
What makes us better is being " English ". So many people opt to come here....I wonder why?
I do not think you can ever be overly patriotic.
Royal Britania......
*baffled*
So, the UK's
*education system
*criminal justice system
*political system
*welfare system
*civil liberties
*feral thugs
*etc...etc...etc...
are all things that get on your tits so much, you feel the need to vent your spleen on a daily basis.
You want to move to Spain.
And yet- this is the country thats better than everywhere else?
Totally agree with your points! :thumbup:
I think he is somewhat confused. :therethere:
Never confused Minxy.....sometimes baffled.
Quote by kentswingers777
Kent, I challenge you to repost the above, leave in your opinions and take out your rubbishing of other people's opinions.
You know, just for interest.
Cherry.....I think you need to understand mine and Minxys " banter " with each other.
We are friends on here, have spoken many times on the phone and Minxy knows me and knows that I wind her up many times.
Am sure Minxy will agree with the above comments from me.
We wind each other up and have done now for ages, so I will not repost that, as Minxy knows me and takes my comments with the preveriable pinch of salt that maybe others should?
Ah but Kent, I wasn't posting on Minxy's behalf, I was posting on my own.
I think you are an interesting poster, you are one of the ones whose posts I check out first when I come to the site - but it makes for uncomfortable reading when you are rubbishing other people's opinions.
Hey ho.
Sex God
Quote by kentswingers777
Royal Britania......
Does this in any way related to the last night of the proms favourite RULE Britannia? ahhh patriotism such a joy.
Sex God
Quote by kentswingers777
Can you show me where they quote that? I would be interested to see that on film.
Or would you like me to show you what filth those Muslims were shouting at our troops in Luton, and btw I watched the police stand by why they shouted it. Had that of been the BNP I am sure half the metropolitan police would have been there. That IS on film.
You see there lies the problem nowadays, where to SOME the flying of the flag IS racist, as SOME see it as a symbol of racism. What a load of old poppycock.
Oh yes it is ok to spout what the BNP say or don't say, but never seem to mention what others can say. That is called selective memory.
I feel myself being born and bred in South London that to be patriotic, to SOME means I am either a Nationalist or a racist. That I am afraid is a fact in some parts of this green and pleasant land of ours.
I certainly don,t take too much notice of what the BNP says as I do not think they are anywhere near strong enough to pose any kind of threat to our way of life,can we say the same of others I wonder? For plenty of people are turning towards the BNP,and there has to ne a reason for this, and has to be addressed.
the bit in bold is the bit i am interested in...
if you are going to use it in this context, just out of curiousity do you remember how many people were protesting that faithful day in luton against the squaddies...
it was a dozen......... 12..... a football team + 1,
lets put that in the context that a daily mail reader can understand.....
that was 4 times more people that complained t actually listened to the Russell Brand/johnathon ross original broadcast to the bbc
reason i used that example.... it is funny how "Certain" newspapers like to blow things up out of all proportion.....exagerate and rouse up the masses for there own cause/entertainment...
and anyway.... I thought the right to protest peacefully was one of those things that made people proud of this country..... don't have to agree with what they say though....
Do you know how many it took to kill all those people in London Fabs? Four.....yes only four people to kill how many? Injured how many?
What has the ammount of people got to do with anything?
That is put into context from a Mail reader.
Do you really really think that those " 12 " demonstrating were looking peaceful then? Were their placards not of a pretty disgusting nature?
Still as a Mail reader who am I to have any kind of opinion eh?
I do not expect any of those " 12 " to show any loyalty at all to this country, hence why they were there.
I thank God that the press were there to report that, because remember Hitler started as one person, and then to twelve and then to millions. So numbers are just that.....numbers. It is the evil intent that matters.
What has the ammount of people got to do with anything?
That is put into context from a Mail reader.
Do you really really think that those " 12 " demonstrating were looking peaceful then? Were their placards not of a pretty disgusting nature?
Still as a Mail reader who am I to have any kind of opinion eh?
I do not expect any of those " 12 " to show any loyalty at all to this country, hence why they were there.
I thank God that the press were there to report that, because remember Hitler started as one person, and then to twelve and then to millions. So numbers are just that.....numbers. It is the evil intent that matters.
