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60 years ago today Auschwitz concentration camp was liberated and I just wanted to spare a thought for the millions of murder victims that died in all the nazi concentration camps, men women and children, whatever their nationality or faith.
One frightning thought is many of our children are unaware that this horror ever happened.
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60 years ago today Auschwitz concentration camp was liberated and I just wanted to spare a thought for the millions of murder victims that died in all the nazi concentration camps, men women and children, whatever their nationality or faith.
One frightning thought is many of our children are unaware that this horror ever happened.

Good sentiments B&C.
My kids are aware because I made sure of it.
Never forget.
Lb :love:
Please nobody say this is not the right forum.
My kids know too. My (Jewish) grandparents told me more than my dad did. He couldn't bring himself to.
And then we have our darling Royal family. rolleyes
And then we have our darling Royal family. rolleyes
Don't get me started Vix on them Vix.
S :love:
So sorry didn't intend to hijack this thread.
Lb :love:
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And then we have our darling Royal family. rolleyes

Don't get me started Vix on them Vix.
S :love:
the royal family............they make the sex pistols "God Save The Queen" lyrics even more apt at the moment.
having visited Auschwitz a few years ago, and the experiance of it,... it made me sick that a human being could do this to another human being.
My grandfather saw Bergen-belsen first hand, not as a prisoner but a liberator. He would never talk of that place, but my grandmother told me how he once saw a book on the camp in the town centre and had to sit down and just cry, now these were hard men.
I think that EVERYONE should be made aware of the horrors which happened there, it is amazing that it's only in the last few years really that schoolchildren have really learned about these atrocities.
It's also unbelievable that so many people were killed so barbarically within living memory for many people. It's the sort of act associated with medieval savagery, not the product of a so-called civilised society. An absolute disgrace.
Rick.
Our children are only 3 and 5 so dont know about such things they will know about it when they are old intend to make them as aware as possible of the world around them past and present good or bad then they might learn to appreciate how damn lucky they really are!
Our daughter saw Schindlers List at school last year - not sure if this was a one off - but it should be compulsory
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Our daughter saw Schindlers List at school last year - not sure if this was a one off - but it should be compulsory

No I don't agree with that .... I walked out of the cinema during Schindlers List because I was so emotionally overcome. I don't think it's a film that should be should to school children :shock:
I agree that it should be taught within a historical context though - although to what degree/depth I'm unsure of.
C xx
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I agree that it should be taught within a historical context though - although to what degree/depth I'm unsure of.

I think it should be taught in some depth but age appropriately. Tell a kid millions of jews, gypsies, Russians, disabled died it can be just a number to them. Genocide and ethnic cleansing isn't just a thing of history books, it still happens take Rwanda and Bosnia in recent years for example and sadly it will probably happen again somewhere, maybe not on the holocaust scale but it can still happen.
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I agree that it should be taught within a historical context though - although to what degree/depth I'm unsure of.

I think it should be taught in some depth but age appropriately. Tell a kid millions of jews, gypsies, Russians, disabled died it can be just a number to them. Genocide and ethnic cleansing isn't just a thing of history books, it still happens take Rwanda and Bosnia in recent years for example and sadly it will probably happen again somewhere, maybe not on the holocaust scale but it can still happen.
So true.
Thats why we should never let the flame die.
My daughter and I watched Schindlers list when she was wept.
The image of the little girl in the red coat........
Lb :love:
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Our daughter saw Schindlers List at school last year - not sure if this was a one off - but it should be compulsory

No I don't agree with that .... I walked out of the cinema during Schindlers List because I was so emotionally overcome. I don't think it's a film that should be should to school children :shock:
I agree that it should be taught within a historical context though - although to what degree/depth I'm unsure of.
C xx
dunno calista. i cried buckets watching it at the cinema, but that's with an adult's appreciation of it. i don't know if kids of a certain age would watch it in quite the same way or be affected quite so deeply, but it's probably the best way to teach that particular history? film will always have more of an impact than a textbook?
it does seem that already the memory of something that happened less than a lifetime ago is fading as that generation passes. very sad.
neil x x x ;)
We got forced to watch schindler's list at school, think it should be left as an optional extra to proper teaching of the subject. No-one wants to end up in tears in front of their schoolmates.
H (bullied for being a softie :cry: )
PS Watership Down should also be banned in schools for the same reasons!!!!
She was 15, I think that is a reasonable age for a child to be able to watch something like that. I think too much younger than that, it might be a bit much to deal with.
Perhaps part of the curriculum - but only with parents consent?
Lazeeboy, I think that was about the right age for your daughter to watch Schindlers list.
I remember my daughter watching a news item showing many gravestones I think in Bosnia and when I explained in a manner she understood her reaction was to ask " Daddy when will people learn to talk and not kill" I could have cried. We have to educate our children but as my daughters unanswerable question proves we also have much to learn.
My personal opion is every school child should vist auschwitz and see what happened, maybe then this would change the way our children now behave.I visted it about 10 years and I still see it my mind now.
It's hard to belive one country under the leadership of one man could do so much damage that's it's still talked about now, and it should be, Perhaps our current leaders should pay a vist there, it might change there ways especial one George Bush
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I agree that it should be taught within a historical context though - although to what degree/depth I'm unsure of.

I think it should be taught in some depth but age appropriately. Tell a kid millions of jews, gypsies, Russians, disabled died it can be just a number to them. Genocide and ethnic cleansing isn't just a thing of history books, it still happens take Rwanda and Bosnia in recent years for example and sadly it will probably happen again somewhere, maybe not on the holocaust scale but it can still happen.
Yes I agree too..although it seems impossible to believe that one human can behave in that way to another it's still happening as you point out. Our cultured, 'civilised' lives somehow breed complacency...but it is supposed intelligent, sophisticated people in power or the power to change things that let things like this happen. Don't want to get party political or sectarian on this one, as the left can be as bad as the right, Christians as bad as Catholics, Muslims as bad as Jews..but Farenheit 911 is on tonight..just illustrates and proves the saying 'power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely'
I think 'we' all have it in us to behave abhorrently, how abhorrent I guess depends ultimately on the likelihood of getting away with it, self control and the containment of our own demons...hope that's not too much of an indictment on the Human Race
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Genocide and ethnic cleansing isn't just a thing of history books, it still happens take Rwanda and Bosnia in recent years for example and sadly it will probably happen again somewhere, maybe not on the holocaust scale but it can still happen.

This has been on my mind a lot this week. All the TV coverage saying we should not forget, but of course we did forget. If we hadn't forgotten Ruanda wouldn't have happened. The worlds Governments sat back and watched it happen just like the last time, no oil there, so who cares?
In Bosnia something was done. Perhaps too little, perhaps too late, but something was done.
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Genocide and ethnic cleansing isn't just a thing of history books, it still happens take Rwanda and Bosnia in recent years for example and sadly it will probably happen again somewhere, maybe not on the holocaust scale but it can still happen.

This has been on my mind a lot this week. All the TV coverage saying we should not forget, but of course we did forget. If we hadn't forgotten Ruanda wouldn't have happened. The worlds Governments sat back and watched it happen just like the last time, no oil there, so who cares?
In Bosnia something was done. Perhaps too little, perhaps too late, but something was done.
Could it be its because there's a large number of victims of WW2 in this country we remember it "more" than comparable atrocities engineered in our own (and our children's) lifetimes.
I have relatives who were murdered in Auschwitz and ones who survived with all the scars that resulted in. For a liberal country such as the UK it shocked me the bias towards remembering one atrocity over another. I fail to see the difference between any of them, except of course that more victims and their families live here.
Isn't a life is a life, no matter who's it is?
One good thing that has happened from this memorial its it makes people have these discussions, lets hope people can relate past to the present.
Who was it once said "Those who cannot learn from the past are condemmed to repeat it"?
S.
I spare a thought for all those who died liberating Europe and under the Nazis rule . Although what the f*%k it has to do with our royal family im at a loss to say . I do sometimes think though that in being asked to "not forget" what happened in the Jewish Genocide we lose focus on more recent and equally horrific situations in the world like Cambodia , Uganda Iraq Rwanda and the Baltics . The second world war doesnt have the monopoly on terrible crimes against humanity , and lest we forget although many many died , at the same time many more died to eradicate the regime that perpetrated these crimes . The response from all decent minded democracies to Hitler was quick and commited , and its a shame it wasn't this way with the other situations mentioned. ALL those examples and more should be quoted when educating our children in what is right and wrong , not just the atrocities in Poland.
May they rest in peace
choc&sex
how the hell do you expect me to cncentrate on a serious topic with an avatar like that on the screen :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh:
i have bisit belsen while i was in germany, the thing that struck me the most was the silence no animals, birds they all seem to realise what an evil place it was so they don't go near it. lets not forget also that it wasn't just aushchwitsand belsen (which was only a concentration camp and not a death camp) but also trbinka, buchenwald, dachau to name just a few.
yes thats right alot of bad things are happening sadly around the world,but there are things we can do about it.a little while ago i was going to go to uganda to help stop some terrible people,but realised i did'nt have enough training to stay alive,so learning now and training when i get a is so good schools in south soon i should be linking up with a punk group in north tieland to try some jungle training and to work on some sab projects around the tie/cambo border,thing i dont enen want to mention as its pretty terrible but soon could sort out alternative holidays like robin hood sylee saving the children a holiday and be a heroe sort of is a biggy when bad things are happening bring it right out into the public domain and try to sort it like it should be.i dont agree with going in gung ho but with a bit of attention and focas maybe people like me who have no kids and responsibilities can help with gods permission if you know what i slightly poor makes you not care so much about risking and taking would be nice to hook up with some people and do some good.i will have to check my covanent.i had a jewish boss who helped libberate a concentration camp and meet his wife there and married six days not a thing to rush into but would be nice to help.
and the saddest thing of all is that it is still going on in the world.
The sight of Iraqi's flooding tothe prisons and the mass dis - interring of body after body is one that i won't forget in a hurry!
Makes you wonder when we will ever learn
kb
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yes thats right alot of bad things are happening sadly around the world,but there are things we can do about it.a little while ago i was going to go to uganda to help stop some terrible people,but realised i did'nt have enough training to stay alive,so learning now and training when i get a is so good schools in south soon i should be linking up with a punk group in north tieland to try some jungle training and to work on some sab projects around the tie/cambo border,thing i dont enen want to mention as its pretty terrible but soon could sort out alternative holidays like robin hood sylee saving the children a holiday and be a heroe sort of is a biggy when bad things are happening bring it right out into the public domain and try to sort it like it should be.i dont agree with going in gung ho but with a bit of attention and focas maybe people like me who have no kids and responsibilities can help with gods permission if you know what i slightly poor makes you not care so much about risking and taking would be nice to hook up with some people and do some good.i will have to check my covanent.i had a jewish boss who helped libberate a concentration camp and meet his wife there and married six days not a thing to rush into but would be nice to help.

Hang on - did i just read this right? rolleyes
I think you'll find this is not the stuff of adventure holidays. I don't doubt your sincerity, or your wish to do something to help - but come on - this is some pretty serious stuff you are talking about, and not something to be taken lightly - chances are you go in there, even with the noblest of intentions, and you might find yourself coming out injured, or maybe not even coming out at all.
You've only got to witness whats currently going on in Iraq to see what i mean - the armed forces are taking casualties and deaths, and they are about as well trained as you are going to get!
Sorry rant over!
kb
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One frightning thought is many of our children are unaware that this horror ever happened.

Sorry, but I just can't bring myself to be frightened by this lack of awareness. Do I think children should be aware of the details of atrocities committed during the Roman occupation of Britain? Or the Spanish Inquisition? Or the Crusades? Or the genocide of the Aztecs? Or the Wars of the Roses? Or the English Civil War? Or the French Revolution? Or any other mass slaughter in history? No, I don't. Maybe I'm wrong and they should be aware of all those things, but if that's the case, why is the holocaust singled out for special treatment? Why should I care more about one slaughter than another? Is it because my next door neighbour might be Jewish? rolleyes
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why is the holocaust singled out for special treatment? Why should I care more about one slaughter than another? Is it because my next door neighbour might be Jewish? rolleyes

Maybe it's because it is such recent history and on a scale previously unimaginable. Maybe we like to think, possibly erroneously, that the world had become a more civilised place since the days of the Conquistadores and the Inquisition. One death is a tragedy for the friends and relatives. 8 million deaths is a tragedy for the world.
The Holocaust was such an enormous crime that it should be remembered as a warning. Why do people remember the Great Train Robbery and Brinksmat but forget the £5000 post office raid?
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and the Baltics .

Err, where?