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A 'should we - shouldn't we' debate.

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Extracted from an email I recieved a few weeks ago.....
I asked and asked you what he was like and you beat around the bush avoiding the question and giving stupid vague answers. I guessed you were hinting he was good for a quickie or a brief encounter I didn’t realise you meant a Brief! Effortless! Non-sensual! Inexperienced! Totally Orgasmless Fuck!

(This middle bit had far too much detail in)
Why couldn’t you just tell it like it is instead of playing a fucking cryptic game? It’s a good job I didn’t meet him with a partner they would have hit the roof at paying for a hotelroom for 15 minutes.
Thanks for the fucking useless advice I’ll do you the same favour one day!

You get the idea of what I had been asked.
So here is the debate.....
Should we let on what we know?
Should we say if someone is selfish and crap in bed? (yes, I know 'crap' is very subjective)
Should we warn people if someone is a complete nutter and a possible danger? (not that this one was)
Should we tell if we we know someone is not interested in the 'swinging schene' and using the site as a 'dail-a-shag' when they can't be bothered to go to a nightclub to pull?
Anyone can have an off day .... performance be a tad under par, get the wrong end of the stick or have been misled about their actual prowess.
Don't see the fairness in naming and shaming someone to the world .... tantamount to humiliation to me and hardly in line with the ethos of this site.
OMG! What an email!
Personally I would prefer for friends to give me accurate information. I trust them to know me and my likes/dislikes well enough to be able to tell if a man is suitable or not.
I'll tell you one story: once I met a guy whom I fancied like mad. He had an ape-like quality about him which stirred my senses. He used to be with this woman, so I asked her about him. She gave good recommendations but also told me he had previously been with someone else. I asked the someone else and she said he was alright but be very firm with him. So I went ahead reassured by the recommendations and had a relationship. The guy treated me like crap and double-timed me with another woman. I later found out that he had done this to both of them but they never admitted they had been fooled. I was angry. If it had been me, I would have revealed my stupidity and pray that another woman would not have to go through the emotional turmoil that I went through. But it seems most people would not humiliate themselves in the eyes of others. Hope this answers your question.
All shags should be classified on the following scale:
B&B - 15 mins
B&B - whole night
B&B - Night plus breakfast
Travelodge
Holiday Inn
Marriott
Hilton
Ritz
Claridges
My Place :twisted:
Blimey, the first post scares the hell out of me! :shock: Glad it wasn't me......... no REALLY, IT WASN'T ME! wink
If someone is a danger then the police should be informed. Iinevitably this is a legal minefield because of the laws of libel & slander, so you cannot go public about something like this.
If someone has not been much good "at it", then perhaps they had a bad night which is not characteristic for them & they should be given the benefit of the doubt.
If they just haven't a clue & are generally a lousy fuck, tell your friends through personal contact. But again you can't go public about it, because both you & Swinging Heaven could be held liable for libel.
Quote by PoloLady
So here is the debate.....
Should we let on what we know?
Should we say if someone is selfish and crap in bed? (yes, I know 'crap' is very subjective)
Should we warn people if someone is a complete nutter and a possible danger? (not that this one was)

I would not comment on a guy's manner in bed, for as you say, we can all have bad days when we may not *perform* as well as we might confused
However, if I knew someone was in my opinion a danger to other members, I would and have warned people to stay away :?
Having said that, what one person perceives as a danger, may not be seen that way by another, so after warning people of what I know, I would not try to cloud their own judgement. Merely point out how *I* perceive it :?
Tracy-Jayne
should you tell , well it could have been an off night, or him rushing to get back home before wife came in from work.
or he prob trying to get back before the hour up so as not to pay babysitter for another fave tv program starting,or even getting back to help the babysitter (wink).
or just basically crap smile
as for being dangerous , yes you must say something.
sorry if this sound a bit crap , but im full of flu sniff
Quote by PoloLady
Should we let on what we know?

That's a judgement call. If you think they need to know, and if you think the consequences of telling would be less damaging than your silence, then I think you would be justified. I don't think I'd go as far as to say "should" - that's for you to decide.
Should we say if someone is selfish and crap in bed? (yes, I know 'crap' is very subjective)

That would be unwise. If the person you're telling finds that they are actually the world's greatest lover, they will assume that you were the one with the problem. It's not as simple as one person being good or bad in bed, it's how you interact. Two particular people together might be divine - the same two people with other partners might be dire. Turn the question around - if someone finds their experience of you unpleasant, should they go around telling people you're crap?
Should we warn people if someone is a complete nutter and a possible danger? (not that this one was)

Yes, if that is your honest assessment. If you speak up and you're wrong, that is less potentially damaging than being right but keeping it to yourself.
Should we tell if we we know someone is not interested in the 'swinging schene' and using the site as a 'dail-a-shag' when they can't be bothered to go to a nightclub to pull?

You usually only "know" about a person what they want you to know. That person might just not be interested in swinging/clubbing with you.
Please allow me to rephrase the intro to my debate questions - this is not about making a public posting. I am asking peoples views on ..... When you are asked in private and reply in private - How honest would you be if you did know something relating to the questions above? Would you reply at all?
I understood that you meant private conversations, and the views I expressed are on that basis.
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Should we let on what we know?

That's a judgement call. If you think they need to know, and if you think the consequences of telling would be less damaging than your silence, then I think you would be justified. I don't think I'd go as far as to say "should" - that's for you to decide.
Should we say if someone is selfish and crap in bed? (yes, I know 'crap' is very subjective)

That would be unwise. If the person you're telling finds that they are actually the world's greatest lover, they will assume that you were the one with the problem. It's not as simple as one person being good or bad in bed, it's how you interact. Two particular people together might be divine - the same two people with other partners might be dire. Turn the question around - if someone finds their experience of you unpleasant, should they go around telling people you're crap?
Should we warn people if someone is a complete nutter and a possible danger? (not that this one was)

Yes, if that is your honest assessment. If you speak up and you're wrong, that is less potentially damaging than being right but keeping it to yourself.
Should we tell if we we know someone is not interested in the 'swinging schene' and using the site as a 'dail-a-shag' when they can't be bothered to go to a nightclub to pull?

You usually only "know" about a person what they want you to know. That person might just not be interested in swinging/clubbing with you.
Good points Ice - but trust you to be very sensible. Me, I am just being nosey as usual and stiring a debate.
Quote by Ice Pie
I understood that you meant private conversations, and the views I expressed are on that basis.

I was typing that before I saw your post.
I just wanted to make sure the gun was properly loaded!
Quote by PoloLady
Please allow me to rephrase the intro to my debate questions - this is not about making a public posting. I am asking peoples views on ..... When you are asked in private and reply in private - How honest would you be if you did know something relating to the questions above? Would you reply at all?

If it is totally private, I would be honest about someone, although I might make the obvious point about someone possibly having an off day.
Quote by PoloLady
Good points Ice - but trust you to be very sensible. Me, I am just being nosey as usual and stiring a debate.

Just my opinion, I'm sure there'll be others who don't think I'm that sensible. ;)
As for stirring a debate, good, I think they're important questions that deserve to be discussed.
Quote by westerross
All shags should be classified on the following scale:
B&B - 15 mins
B&B - whole night
B&B - Night plus breakfast
Travelodge
Holiday Inn
Marriott
Hilton
Ritz
Claridges
My Place :twisted:

This last bit needs elaborating. I mean if I am to take a date to your place, I need to know what facilities are on offer that make it better than most hotels. Heheheh wink
Quote by Tania
All shags should be classified on the following scale:
B&B - 15 mins
B&B - whole night
B&B - Night plus breakfast
Travelodge
Holiday Inn
Marriott
Hilton
Ritz
Claridges
My Place :twisted:

This last bit needs elaborating. I mean if I am to take a date to your place, I need to know what facilities are on offer that make it better than most hotels. Heheheh wink
'Tis not the facilities but the experience being classified. smile
OK back on topic (sorry for the hi-jack). Quite frankly how your correspondent interpreted you beating about the bush and giving 'vague stupid answers' to mean the the third party was good for anything beats me!! Seems more like a case of someone hearing what they want to hear and not what's being said to them and turniing around to blame someone else when they're disappointed. Caveat Emptor - tough shit! I think you did exactly the right thing. It's up to them to read between the lines.
I wouldn't feel bound by confidentiality unless the other person and I had specifically said so before hand, in which case I probably wouldn't have gone any further. Being discrete is one thing (not blabbing in public etc) but an enquiry from another member is not like that. So I think (hope) I'd have said something like "Well, it didn't work for me on that occasion, but I can't say what it would be like for you" or perhaps "If he was the only butcher in town I'd be tempted to buy my meat at Tesco" (or go on a fish diet... you get the drift).
If the question of danger arises, then public responsibility takes priority over everything.
WW
Okay - admittedly I haven't read the full thread - but surely what happens between people on here should stay between those people - unless both have agreed that it is open for discussion dunno
I think it is unpleasant talking behind people's backs. If someone wants to find out whether someone else is a good shag they should see for themselves without asking someone else's opinion, which at best is going to be subjective.
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Okay - admittedly I haven't read the full thread - but surely what happens between people on here should stay between those people - unless both have agreed that it is open for discussion dunno

Personally I agree.
But to play devil’s advocate some more, let me start throwing some what if’s into the pot……….
What if the guy the enquiry is about has told the enquirer that you had met him and to use you as a reference to their credibility? How does this effect the situation?
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I think it is unpleasant talking behind people's backs. If someone wants to find out whether someone else is a good shag they should see for themselves without asking someone else's opinion, which at best is going to be subjective.

Good, bad, crap, brilliant - yes it is all subjective - just imagine how boring exploring sex would be if we all liked the same thing?
So here is another what if......
What if you had found out through meeting a person that they had lied about themselves?
Nothing too serious - something like the guy that sent me a photo of his mate because he thought his mate had a better success rate than him, added 9 inch to his body hieght and changed race - lol (he was not from this site by the way).
What if you knew they had lied again?
If you think you would let on that they had lied - how big a lie would it need to be before you said something?
I think if it in private you should be honest......yea it can be on off day..... there again if he came so quick surely it is a compliment anyway...means you were so good and so fantastic that he just blew his top.
Quote by PoloLady
I think it is unpleasant talking behind people's backs. If someone wants to find out whether someone else is a good shag they should see for themselves without asking someone else's opinion, which at best is going to be subjective.

Good, bad, crap, brilliant - yes it is all subjective - just imagine how boring exploring sex would be if we all liked the same thing?
So here is another what if......
What if you had found out through meeting a person that they had lied about themselves?
Nothing too serious - something like the guy that sent me a photo of his mate because he thought his mate had a better success rate than him, added 9 inch to his body hieght and changed race - lol (he was not from this site by the way).
What if you knew they had lied again?
If you think you would let on that they had lied - how big a lie would it need to be before you said something?
That's not subjective - that's a fact - they are a liar. Tell anyone who needs to know - otherwise keep it to yourself - I would've thought.
By the way passing yourself off as someone else to have a chance for a shag - not serious confused: dunno
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... they are a liar. Tell anyone who needs to know - otherwise keep it to yourself - I would've thought.

But how big a lie before you feel it is alright to discuss it?
What if they just lied about their hieght or added/subtracted a few years of age?
Quote by westerross
By the way passing yourself off as someone else to have a chance for a shag - not serious confused: dunno
Hell yes I am serious :?
[quote="PoloLady"
But how big a lie before you feel it is alright to discuss it?
What if they just lied about their hieght or added/subtracted a few years of age?
what you mean if I told you I was 21...had a six pack like Peter Andre..and a 10 inch dick....you would notice when I actually turned up and whats worse you would mind. huh some people so bloody fussy !!!!!!
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[quote="PoloLady"
But how big a lie before you feel it is alright to discuss it?
What if they just lied about their hieght or added/subtracted a few years of age?
what you mean if I told you I was 21...had a six pack like Peter Andre..and a 10 inch dick....you would notice when I actually turned up and whats worse you would mind. huh some people so bloody fussy !!!!!!

lol
Don't make me laugh too much - I am trying to think of more 'what if's'.
Quote by PoloLady

... they are a liar. Tell anyone who needs to know - otherwise keep it to yourself - I would've thought.

But how big a lie before you feel it is alright to discuss it?
What if they just lied about their hieght or added/subtracted a few years of age?
Quote by westerross
By the way passing yourself off as someone else to have a chance for a shag - not serious confused: dunno
Hell yes I am serious :?
What I meant was I think passing yourself off as someone else is serious. The two 'lies' you mention are barely lies unless it specifically goes against what the other party has stipulated. Take your point but if it is that doubtful then it doesn't really matter.
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Take your point but if it is that doubtful then it doesn't really matter.

Oi! I am asking the questions here! :rascal:
PS. I know it was your opinion really - thank you for sharing.
Quote by Rainbows
Okay - admittedly I haven't read the full thread - but surely what happens between people on here should stay between those people - unless both have agreed that it is open for discussion dunno

Exactly.... however....
I do think that something along the lines of "verified" would be appropriate, ie turned up when invited and didnt bottle it would be acceptable.
The actual quality of a meet can be subjective and also very much down to the interplay between everyone... The step mum from hell would describe me as crap and selfish in bed, my last partner who I swung with said I was to kinky and giving and she couldnt keep up. I've been on meets where the sex has been a long played out afair with a nice cupa tea and chat half way through, and others where its just been a pure lust fuck on evryones part and everyone has wanted nothing but to achieve orgasum as quickly and rauncyly as possible... different strokes for different people!
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I do think that something along the lines of "verified" would be appropriate, ie turned up when invited and didnt bottle it would be acceptable.

So, what conclusions would you draw if you heard that someone had failed to turn up?