I am stunned!
Moreover I feel awful that I had not realised something was amiss.
I did see you with quite a group of people around you, but had not thought that was the reason. In fact I was coming over to say hi but thought you looked busy.
There is no excuse for abuse whatsoever. So, you had a sexy dress on - but it shouldn't have mattered if you were stark naked! His actions were totally indefensible.
No means no!
I do wholehearted agree with the name and shame policy but I suspect like many other women on here, I would feel more comfortable knowing who is was.
Big big hugs, Kaz
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Quote by Dawn_Mids
NN we only help with that is posted on the forum, we do not control what Kaz puts in her pms
Very well put Dawn.
NN the simple argument for not naming and shaming people is that if it's done on a public Internet forum then the laws relating to libel and defamation apply - even if what you say is true, if the person you name wants to, they can make you try to prove it in a court of law, which is a right pain in the arse whatever the outcome.
Wow, Kaz. I'm so sorry to hear that this happened. I hope you're feeling ok about it - it sounds as though you handled it perfectly, but I know there are always doubts. Just bear in mind what everyone here has said - it was nothing to do with you, it was just your bad luck that some idiot chose you to behave this way towards.
And thank you so much for being so brave and posting about it here - I think this has turned into a very valuable thread, both for newbies who might be worried about coming to a munch, and for the rest of us. It just shows what a bloody wonderful bunch of people the SH crowd is - weirdos like this are the (very, very rare) exception, and everybody else takes care of each other in a way I could never have imagined possible. I'm just so sorry that you had to have such a nasty experience, but at least something positive has come out of it - it's nice to be reminded just how caring and supportive this community is.
Hugs,
Cocoa xxx
And thank you so much for being so brave and posting about it here - I think this has turned into a very valuable thread, both for newbies who might be worried about coming to a munch, and for the rest of us. It just shows what a bloody wonderful bunch of people the SH crowd is - weirdos like this are the (very, very rare) exception, and everybody else takes care of each other in a way I could never have imagined possible. I'm just so sorry that you had to have such a nasty experience, but at least something positive has come out of it - it's nice to be reminded just how caring and supportive this community is.
Hugs,
Cocoa xxx
Orgasminator
After posting above I've realised that I completely forgot to add that I'm very sorry that this happened to you Kaz, and equally pleased that the appropriate action has been taken as far as possible to ensure I won't have to put up with the company of somebody like that.
I would like to add though, in the spirit of encouraging newbies that things like this happen at perfectly vanilla social events - I've had to 'rescue' friends on a number of occasions in the past (one of the times when being a really big bloke comes in very useful - most people, even when very pissed, realise that taking a swing at me is likely to be a bad idea), and if I spot somebody making unwelcome advances to anybody then you can rely on me to poke my nose in and, if necessary growl appropriately.
I would like to add though, in the spirit of encouraging newbies that things like this happen at perfectly vanilla social events - I've had to 'rescue' friends on a number of occasions in the past (one of the times when being a really big bloke comes in very useful - most people, even when very pissed, realise that taking a swing at me is likely to be a bad idea), and if I spot somebody making unwelcome advances to anybody then you can rely on me to poke my nose in and, if necessary growl appropriately.
:cry: It is with a very heavy heart that I join this thread.
I don't advocate naming and shaming, but I do have the dilemma of agreeing with most of what Ali says. What I don't have, is any answers.
well i hope noone i have become friends with and care about ever goes to meet him, i know 100% for sure if i knew of such a person i'd do my bloody upmost to protect women from him, i really don't think i could sleep at night knowing other women could be arranging to meet such a guy and i knew his name, but thats only my opinion.
P.S please don't think that was directed at you in anyway dawn i know you don't make the site rules up
Will you trust me with something ?
This post is NOT about kaz, or the specific incident on Saturday that I was blissfully unaware of at the time. And for being unaware I apologise. But let's leave that there.
It's no secret that I love this place, the people, munches and socials; and the lifestyle in general.
One of the specific reasons I love munches is that they are so many things to so many different people.
There's the whole "meeting new, and seeing again" old friends.
Some use them as a pre-cursor to parties/clubs and playing.
Some, just as a big piss up and giggle - and to be accepted (by and large) as a buffoon. That's where I come in.
In no other circumstance in my life have I had the means to totally switch off, relax and enjoy such company as I do here.
Some of you know far too much of my own personal experiences and history, so will go someway to understanding the "switching off" part of that. Others will wonder wtf I'm talking about.
These incidences are very few and far between. Let's make that absolutely clear.
Most people can and do pick on body language that their "advances" are not welcome - long before it becomes necessary to actually use the "NO ! !" word. Let alone more than once.
Some can get a little over enthusiastic when saying hello.
Others can get a little carried away, caught up in the atmosphere we generate.
Occasionally - very rarely occasionally - we get complete arses that don't seem to have the good grace they were born with.
It's very easy, in this lifestyle to cross the very thin line between what is and what isn't acceptable.
But what has to be realised is, that line is drawn by the person receiving the attention, and not the person saying hello, copping a quick feel, or thinking it's ok to grope, or even "just" letch down someone's cleavage.
And I stand firmly and squarely open to accusation of any of the above. That's the root of my dilemma.
I've never been one to force my opinions or beliefs on anyone. You can have them anytime you want them. What you do with them is entirely up to you. I've even been known to defend other's opinions and beliefs while at the same time violent disagreeing with them. Both professionally and personally.
But I'm going to contradict myself. I will always stand and face my accusers. Sometimes, I'll defend myself, sometimes I won't.
Maybe it's because I feel that way, that I can't answer myself whether I still agree with the "No naming and shaming" policy any longer. I realise some of the legal implications, but I'm hitting a brick wall with my own "Do the right thing" ethos.
A heavy heart ???
I don't want to have look at munches and socials in any other way than I do now. Selfish I know. But I don't want to be continually checking. Watching. Looking over my shoulder. Wondering. Worrying. Waiting.
All the Landlords/Managers and staff that I've spoken to after munches have been so very pleasantly surprised and indeed impressed at our behaviour, but more importantly - have invited us back. Their primary concern has always been one of violence/damage.
Never been a problem.
Imagine if you will, being in a city centre pub and seeing a girls pinned to a wall while some oaf "cops a feel" - What would be the normal following course of events ??
"150 people, scantily dressed, girls with all the cleavage they can muster, skirts the size of belts, cross dressers and trannies, testosterone filled and beer fuelled guys, pissed as bandits, in a small area, all evening, sometimes running on from an afternoon drinking session ???? And there's no bother ????? You're having a laugh, surely ????"
Yep.
That's exactly what we're having. A laugh. A giggle. A feckin good time.
But to get back to agreeing with Alison, what happens next ?
Can we be completely sure that the arses and idiots are ostracised enough to not have access to the people we care about. That's ever body btw.
Sure - they won't get to further SH/SS "sponsored" munches/socials, but as Alison says, what about the private meets/clubs, house parties etc etc ?????
Put my mind at rest, somebody ???
For kaz and Lee.
I am so very sorry you were put in the position.
I'm glad the people of this place showed their true spirit. Both on the night, and in this thread.
I don't advocate naming and shaming, but I do have the dilemma of agreeing with most of what Ali says. What I don't have, is any answers.
Quote by naughtynymphos1
There is nothing to discuss, we will not ever support naming and shaming of anyone, sorry.
well i hope noone i have become friends with and care about ever goes to meet him, i know 100% for sure if i knew of such a person i'd do my bloody upmost to protect women from him, i really don't think i could sleep at night knowing other women could be arranging to meet such a guy and i knew his name, but thats only my opinion.
P.S please don't think that was directed at you in anyway dawn i know you don't make the site rules up
Quote by naughtynymphos1
......well do the female members of this site not need protection from such people? ok so i assum you have banned him but what about any women who may have him on MSN and are still chatting to him not knowing whats gone off, the next woman he decided to get pushy with my not be as lucky as Kaz and have friends around to help her and if he can do that in a public place whats he capable of on a private meet?
Will you trust me with something ?
This post is NOT about kaz, or the specific incident on Saturday that I was blissfully unaware of at the time. And for being unaware I apologise. But let's leave that there.
It's no secret that I love this place, the people, munches and socials; and the lifestyle in general.
One of the specific reasons I love munches is that they are so many things to so many different people.
There's the whole "meeting new, and seeing again" old friends.
Some use them as a pre-cursor to parties/clubs and playing.
Some, just as a big piss up and giggle - and to be accepted (by and large) as a buffoon. That's where I come in.
In no other circumstance in my life have I had the means to totally switch off, relax and enjoy such company as I do here.
Some of you know far too much of my own personal experiences and history, so will go someway to understanding the "switching off" part of that. Others will wonder wtf I'm talking about.
These incidences are very few and far between. Let's make that absolutely clear.
Most people can and do pick on body language that their "advances" are not welcome - long before it becomes necessary to actually use the "NO ! !" word. Let alone more than once.
Some can get a little over enthusiastic when saying hello.
Others can get a little carried away, caught up in the atmosphere we generate.
Occasionally - very rarely occasionally - we get complete arses that don't seem to have the good grace they were born with.
It's very easy, in this lifestyle to cross the very thin line between what is and what isn't acceptable.
But what has to be realised is, that line is drawn by the person receiving the attention, and not the person saying hello, copping a quick feel, or thinking it's ok to grope, or even "just" letch down someone's cleavage.
And I stand firmly and squarely open to accusation of any of the above. That's the root of my dilemma.
I've never been one to force my opinions or beliefs on anyone. You can have them anytime you want them. What you do with them is entirely up to you. I've even been known to defend other's opinions and beliefs while at the same time violent disagreeing with them. Both professionally and personally.
But I'm going to contradict myself. I will always stand and face my accusers. Sometimes, I'll defend myself, sometimes I won't.
Maybe it's because I feel that way, that I can't answer myself whether I still agree with the "No naming and shaming" policy any longer. I realise some of the legal implications, but I'm hitting a brick wall with my own "Do the right thing" ethos.
A heavy heart ???
I don't want to have look at munches and socials in any other way than I do now. Selfish I know. But I don't want to be continually checking. Watching. Looking over my shoulder. Wondering. Worrying. Waiting.
All the Landlords/Managers and staff that I've spoken to after munches have been so very pleasantly surprised and indeed impressed at our behaviour, but more importantly - have invited us back. Their primary concern has always been one of violence/damage.
Never been a problem.
Imagine if you will, being in a city centre pub and seeing a girls pinned to a wall while some oaf "cops a feel" - What would be the normal following course of events ??
"150 people, scantily dressed, girls with all the cleavage they can muster, skirts the size of belts, cross dressers and trannies, testosterone filled and beer fuelled guys, pissed as bandits, in a small area, all evening, sometimes running on from an afternoon drinking session ???? And there's no bother ????? You're having a laugh, surely ????"
Yep.
That's exactly what we're having. A laugh. A giggle. A feckin good time.
But to get back to agreeing with Alison, what happens next ?
Can we be completely sure that the arses and idiots are ostracised enough to not have access to the people we care about. That's ever body btw.
Sure - they won't get to further SH/SS "sponsored" munches/socials, but as Alison says, what about the private meets/clubs, house parties etc etc ?????
Put my mind at rest, somebody ???
For kaz and Lee.
I am so very sorry you were put in the position.
I'm glad the people of this place showed their true spirit. Both on the night, and in this thread.
Sex God
kaz hun i dropped u a pm....
i am so sorry that u have to put up with such behavior....
i have been in the same position as well....people shud undertstand that NO means NO...
hugs kaz....lets hope hun that such a wonker has not discouraged such u from leaving the scene.
MikeC
i am so sorry that u have to put up with such behavior....
i have been in the same position as well....people shud undertstand that NO means NO...
hugs kaz....lets hope hun that such a wonker has not discouraged such u from leaving the scene.
MikeC
May I drop this in here = although it is on another thread I feel it should be here as well.
Hello again people > may I butt in and send a message to >>>>>>
Elliot
Steve
Martin
Nick
Please take note of the contents of this thread and see how a "Cyber Community" works.
You will not find a better one on any other site. We are all as one.
Sent in good faith.
Said my bit. Thanks for letting me hijack this peeps.
Phredd (how do you spell Fred ?)
Hello again people > may I butt in and send a message to >>>>>>
Elliot
Steve
Martin
Nick
Please take note of the contents of this thread and see how a "Cyber Community" works.
You will not find a better one on any other site. We are all as one.
Sent in good faith.
Said my bit. Thanks for letting me hijack this peeps.
Phredd (how do you spell Fred ?)
Quote by da69ve
I'm sorry to hear what happened.....but the one thing that crops up is he may have been banned and if he has male and female friends on here who may be unaware of what he has done....will continue to be friends without the knowledge of what he has done and what is he possibly capable of?
What he said :thumbup:
and Kaz were truely gutted that such a thin happened
Sexlightened
Hiya Kaz,
A big bunch of hugs and kisses from us to you, :therethere:
What happened to you should never happen to anyone, male or female, we weren't there by the way, but i do feel if the same thing happened at a munch we did attend, the same response from other members would be given.
No-one should be afraid of what to wear, we all should be allowed to wear what we want without fear of people getting the wrong idea.
Hope you know what i mean
We hope you will get over this soon, and never worry that it was your fault.
hope to meet you both one day.
:rose:
PnH
A big bunch of hugs and kisses from us to you,
:therethere: What happened to you should never happen to anyone, male or female, we weren't there by the way, but i do feel if the same thing happened at a munch we did attend, the same response from other members would be given.
No-one should be afraid of what to wear, we all should be allowed to wear what we want without fear of people getting the wrong idea.
Hope you know what i mean
We hope you will get over this soon, and never worry that it was your fault.
hope to meet you both one day.
:rose:
PnH
Sex God
Kz, I have only just read this thread, and I feel sick to the bottom of my stomach. I am so very, very sorry that this happened. I just dont know what to say!
As the Munch organiser, I have always felt that I had an duty of care to the members who were coming and this is why we restricted the invites only to people who had joined the site before 1st September, or those who had joined after that date but had become regulars. The person concerend did fit into this category and in his pm, quoted another Munch he had attended. From his friendly pm's and his previous posts, I felt that he was 'suitable' to come to the munch, and as I have always felt that I am a pretty good judge of charactor, I did not see anything wrong with inviting him.
Obviously from reading this, I am not such a good a judge of people as I first thought. I am so very sorry that my actions put you in this position and I know that an apology will not make things right for you, but I seriously dont know what else I can do!
If I had known on the night that his behaviour was like this, I would have asked him to leave, but I was not made aware that he had actually abused you (I understood that he had been making suggestive comments) I did try to find the bloke to ask him to leave, but was told he had already left the venue.
I dont know what else I can say, apart from offering my apologies for this. Kaz, I am very, very sorry. I was going to put another post on today about an idea I had for a theme for another munch, but after this, I really dont feel that I can trust my own judgement anymore.
Please look afteryourself, you are wonderful person, who has helped so many people on here, I truly hope that things are going to be alright for you.
Di
xxxx
As the Munch organiser, I have always felt that I had an duty of care to the members who were coming and this is why we restricted the invites only to people who had joined the site before 1st September, or those who had joined after that date but had become regulars. The person concerend did fit into this category and in his pm, quoted another Munch he had attended. From his friendly pm's and his previous posts, I felt that he was 'suitable' to come to the munch, and as I have always felt that I am a pretty good judge of charactor, I did not see anything wrong with inviting him.
Obviously from reading this, I am not such a good a judge of people as I first thought. I am so very sorry that my actions put you in this position and I know that an apology will not make things right for you, but I seriously dont know what else I can do!
If I had known on the night that his behaviour was like this, I would have asked him to leave, but I was not made aware that he had actually abused you (I understood that he had been making suggestive comments) I did try to find the bloke to ask him to leave, but was told he had already left the venue.
I dont know what else I can say, apart from offering my apologies for this. Kaz, I am very, very sorry. I was going to put another post on today about an idea I had for a theme for another munch, but after this, I really dont feel that I can trust my own judgement anymore.
Please look afteryourself, you are wonderful person, who has helped so many people on here, I truly hope that things are going to be alright for you.
Di
xxxx
THANKYOU
Of course I have the usual questions going through my head "did I encourage it", "did the fact I was sexily dressed say to him, this woman is asking for it", "did I give out the wrong signals by my behaviour". "I'm a swinger at a party, am I saying that I am fair game"? I equally know that the answer to these questions whether I was male or female is a resounding NO. No means no whatever the circumstances. It doesnt stop you worrying about it and feeling guilty.
HI Kaz
Iwould like to think that most people who know me would to use an old fashioned nowadays term i know a gentleman Now im going to reply in an ungentlemanly manner
Bollocks why should you feel in any way that your dress or attitude or the nature of the party in any way "led him on" or justified his actions YOU HAVE NO CAUSE TO FEEL IN ANY WAY IT WAS YOUR FAULT
As i stated in my post im in the name names camp but as its not apparently site policy use the other route P M s :!: There rant over hope you take this as it was meant
hope to meet sometime soon
dave
thats for being big & brave
sorry this was meant to be a pm
Of course I have the usual questions going through my head "did I encourage it", "did the fact I was sexily dressed say to him, this woman is asking for it", "did I give out the wrong signals by my behaviour". "I'm a swinger at a party, am I saying that I am fair game"? I equally know that the answer to these questions whether I was male or female is a resounding NO. No means no whatever the circumstances. It doesnt stop you worrying about it and feeling guilty.
HI Kaz
Iwould like to think that most people who know me would to use an old fashioned nowadays term i know a gentleman Now im going to reply in an ungentlemanly manner
Bollocks why should you feel in any way that your dress or attitude or the nature of the party in any way "led him on" or justified his actions YOU HAVE NO CAUSE TO FEEL IN ANY WAY IT WAS YOUR FAULT
As i stated in my post im in the name names camp but as its not apparently site policy use the other route P M s :!: There rant over hope you take this as it was meant
hope to meet sometime soon
dave
thats for being big & bravesorry this was meant to be a pm
Quote by Naughty Wigan Couple
Obviously from reading this, I am not such a good a judge of people as I first thought. I am so very sorry that my actions put you in this position and I know that an apology will not make things right for you, but I seriously dont know what else I can do!
Di this is in no way a reflection on your judgement as to who and who shouldn't be invited to a munch. You have no way of knowing if the person asking for the invite is as nice as they are via PM/email/MSN etc.....
Neither Kaz nor yourslef have anything to blame yourselves for as you were at no point to blame....
for both of youShireen (Who must dash as she is cooking
)xxx
:x :x :x 
Sexlightened
Hope you are okay now. Absoluteky appalling that some people can't take no for answer but well to all the others who stepped in and helped.
Just goes to show what a quality site this is because of its members.
As one who has not attended a munch or any clubs yet I know that when I do I want to be with you lot !!
Absoluteky appalling that some people can't take no for answer but well to all the others who stepped in and helped. Just goes to show what a quality site this is because of its members.
As one who has not attended a munch or any clubs yet I know that when I do I want to be with you lot !!
Quote by Naughty Wigan Couple
I dont know what else I can say, apart from offering my apologies for this. Kaz, I am very, very sorry. I was going to put another post on today about an idea I had for a theme for another munch, but after this, I really dont feel that I can trust my own judgement anymore.
Di
xxxx
I am sure no one would feel you could have done anymore than you did in controlling those who attended. You could not determine from text what a person may do when drunk and in a different environment.
It could have happened anywhere, club, pub, bus, we can just be thankful that there were the right sort of people around to react, the rest of us.
I am sure others will be along to second this.
This was going to be a PM - but fuck it.
Have it in public Di
STOP IT. STOP IT. STOP IT.
Di, please forgive me for sticking my nose in here. I'm sending it as a PM, not because it's private, more because I don't really want to add any fuel to any fires that might be burning in the forum.
YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE BEHAVIOUR OR ACTIONS OF ANYONE BUT YOURSELF ! ! ! ! !
Regardless of what you feel responsible for.
By feeling responsible, you just simply show what a caring "good egg" type of person you are.
BUT IT DOES NOT MAKE YOU RESPONSIBLE FOR ANYONE. LET ALONE THE ARSE THAT CAUSED THIS PROBLEM TO SURFACE ! ! ! ! ! !
Di - Had I gotten in my car and drove home after the munch - who's "fault" would that be ?
I know there's no real comparison, but it does amount to the same thing.
YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE BEHAVIOUR OR ACTIONS OF ANYONE BUT YOURSELF ! ! ! ! !
Please don't let this affect your plans, or cause you to do anything differently.
You two just keep doing what you do ! ! !
I've been to 3 Wigan's and I want to come to Wigan IV !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
db
Have it in public Di
Quote by Naughty Wigan Couple
As the Munch organiser, I have always felt that I had an duty of care to the members who were coming and this is why we restricted the invites only to people who had joined the site before 1st September, . . . . . .
Obviously from reading this, I am not such a good a judge of people as I first thought. I am so very sorry that my actions put you in this position and I know that an apology will not make things right for you, but I seriously dont know what else I can do!
I dont know what else I can say, apart from offering my apologies for this. . . .
I was going to put another post on today about an idea I had for a theme for another munch, but after this, I really dont feel that I can trust my own judgement anymore.
Di
xxxx
STOP IT. STOP IT. STOP IT.
Di, please forgive me for sticking my nose in here. I'm sending it as a PM, not because it's private, more because I don't really want to add any fuel to any fires that might be burning in the forum.
YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE BEHAVIOUR OR ACTIONS OF ANYONE BUT YOURSELF ! ! ! ! !
Regardless of what you feel responsible for.
By feeling responsible, you just simply show what a caring "good egg" type of person you are.
BUT IT DOES NOT MAKE YOU RESPONSIBLE FOR ANYONE. LET ALONE THE ARSE THAT CAUSED THIS PROBLEM TO SURFACE ! ! ! ! ! !
Di - Had I gotten in my car and drove home after the munch - who's "fault" would that be ?
I know there's no real comparison, but it does amount to the same thing.
YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE BEHAVIOUR OR ACTIONS OF ANYONE BUT YOURSELF ! ! ! ! !
Please don't let this affect your plans, or cause you to do anything differently.
You two just keep doing what you do ! ! !
I've been to 3 Wigan's and I want to come to Wigan IV !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
db
i do feel for kaz in this issue, yet again genuine single males will be shunned because of idiots like this.
just as a matter of interest ( i have not read all the posts yet) but why shouldn't he be named and shamed ?
i for one would appreciate knowing who he is so i have the option of blocking him, and i am sure others will feel the same.
just as a matter of interest ( i have not read all the posts yet) but why shouldn't he be named and shamed ?
i for one would appreciate knowing who he is so i have the option of blocking him, and i am sure others will feel the same.
Quote by dambuster
This was going to be a PM - but fuck it.
Have it in public Di
As the Munch organiser, I have always felt that I had an duty of care to the members who were coming and this is why we restricted the invites only to people who had joined the site before 1st September, . . . . . .
Obviously from reading this, I am not such a good a judge of people as I first thought. I am so very sorry that my actions put you in this position and I know that an apology will not make things right for you, but I seriously dont know what else I can do!
I dont know what else I can say, apart from offering my apologies for this. . . .
I was going to put another post on today about an idea I had for a theme for another munch, but after this, I really dont feel that I can trust my own judgement anymore.
Di
xxxx
STOP IT. STOP IT. STOP IT.
Di, please forgive me for sticking my nose in here. I'm sending it as a PM, not because it's private, more because I don't really want to add any fuel to any fires that might be burning in the forum.
YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE BEHAVIOUR OR ACTIONS OF ANYONE BUT YOURSELF ! ! ! ! !
Regardless of what you feel responsible for.
By feeling responsible, you just simply show what a caring "good egg" type of person you are.
BUT IT DOES NOT MAKE YOU RESPONSIBLE FOR ANYONE. LET ALONE THE ARSE THAT CAUSED THIS PROBLEM TO SURFACE ! ! ! ! ! !
Di - Had I gotten in my car and drove home after the munch - who's "fault" would that be ?
I know there's no real comparison, but it does amount to the same thing.
YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE BEHAVIOUR OR ACTIONS OF ANYONE BUT YOURSELF ! ! ! ! !
Please don't let this affect your plans, or cause you to do anything differently.
You two just keep doing what you do ! ! !
I've been to 3 Wigan's and I want to come to Wigan IV !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
db
Well said Dambuster, i agree with you wholeheartly!
Quote by kazswallows
Of course I have the usual questions going through my head "did I encourage it", "did the fact I was sexily dressed say to him, this woman is asking for it", "did I give out the wrong signals by my behaviour". "I'm a swinger at a party, am I saying that I am fair game"? I equally know that the answer to these questions whether I was male or female is a resounding NO. No means no whatever the circumstances. It doesnt stop you worrying about it and feeling guilty.
Maybe you were looking irresistable, maybe you were giving off the wrong signals, and maybe he just made a huge, huge mistake. That possibly covers the first time you had to say "no".
There's simply no excuses for the next two times...
Absolutely, exactly what dambuster said - and I wanted to say it earlier on, but also didn't want to add fuel to the fire.
But NWC, it was NOTHING to do with you, and it was an absolutely brilliant and flawlessly organised munch, and I for one will never forgive you if you don't organise another one! No-one expects you to be able to spot the arseholes, it's just a fact of life that they're out there and sometimes they slip the net.
But NWC, it was NOTHING to do with you, and it was an absolutely brilliant and flawlessly organised munch, and I for one will never forgive you if you don't organise another one!
No-one expects you to be able to spot the arseholes, it's just a fact of life that they're out there and sometimes they slip the net. Quote by Mark Horne
Maybe you were looking irresistable, maybe you were giving off the wrong signals, and maybe he just made a huge, huge mistake. That possibly covers the first time you had to say "no".
There's simply no excuses for the next two times...
Bollocks Mark.
I'm sure your post is just simply littered with the wrong words and phrases, not by intent.
But let's not sow anyseeds of doubt here.
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Maybe you were looking irresistable, maybe you were giving off the wrong signals, and maybe he just made a huge, huge mistake. That possibly covers the first time you had to say "no".
There's simply no excuses for the next two times...
Bollocks Mark.
Well if what I wrote gave the impression I was trying to defend what he did in any way, then that's fair comment.
I didn't mean that at all. What I meant was that he'd pretty conclusively proved by his behaviour that it was entirely his fault. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
