ANY LEGAL TYPES IN?

17 Mar 2005

This is awful......... its a lot worse than that but i'll censor that bit lol
I'll have a word with the Law dept at uni tomorrow, see if anyone there has any idea what to do/how to go about things....
All the best til then kiss

17 Mar 2005

My hopes are with you. Like everyone else I have no more advice to offer than has already been given, but put that appeal in and figh it. You have so many friends in here to help and support you both.
It is so unfair.
We are all with you both.

17 Mar 2005

Vix, has Reese wrote to the American Embassy? When I first moved here, I wrote to the Canadian Embassy, submitted my marriage certificate and my passport was stamped, saying that I was allowed to stay for an indefinite period of time.
Silky xxxx

17 Mar 2005

I can't help much either but do hope you get things sorted. And anyway, you can't leave Reese. I haven't met you yet. And Vix needs you. And doesn't it make you angry. mad

Good luck guys.

17 Mar 2005

Quote by Silk and Big G
Vix, has Reese wrote to the American Embassy? When I first moved here, I wrote to the Canadian Embassy, submitted my marriage certificate and my passport was stamped, saying that I was allowed to stay for an indefinite period of time.
Silky xxxx

This to me has been the best advice, I'm sorry Vix that i have none to give but feeling for you right now.
I can't believe that this country will house assylum seekers/refugees/gypsies but would deport a genuine guy who cares for his wife.
It has been said earlier, but if we all join together in some petition could we help?
Love to you both xxx

17 Mar 2005

:shock: well they would certainly sit up and listen/look at that petition eh? I'm sure they don't get many petitions for people anxious to keep a swinger in the country :shock:
Thoughts are with you Vix and Reese but sorry we can't offer any constructive advice.

18 Mar 2005

Quote by freckledbird
:shock: well they would certainly sit up and listen/look at that petition eh? I'm sure they don't get many petitions for people anxious to keep a swinger in the country :shock:

I was thinking about how it could be worded, but I wasn`t sure if they were ready for a parody yet. Still the idea has it`s potential :shock:
Thinking of you guys :love:
Venusxxx

18 Mar 2005

I've not met either of you yet, and I have no advice that hasn't already been given and more I didn't know or think of - so I'll say all I can offer you...
V & R :therethere: :therethere:
Sorry I can't help more - but stay cool, when you fight, and you will conquer

18 Mar 2005

Bloody country's gone bloody mad FFS mad

I wish i could offer you guys some help on the advice youve been given here it sounds as if youll be ok but were both thinking of you,and if you need us to sign a petition or anything just let us know and we'll gladly do guys just dont deserve this.
Clare and Stevexxx

18 Mar 2005

Almost 90% of our applicants worldwide receive the visa that they have applied for. If you are refused a visa, the entry clearance officer will give you a written notice explaining why

Saw this interesting lil' bit of text on their site
have you had any notice like this?

18 Mar 2005

Yeah, there's this letter saying it contains the reasons, but I'll be jiggered if I can see any.

18 Mar 2005

Quote by Vix
Yeah, there's this letter saying it contains the reasons, but I'll be jiggered if I can see any.

Hopefully it's the key to the whole thing if you can get someone into legal babble to fish out the relevant stuff. We're really rooting for you guys :therethere:

18 Mar 2005

we cant help vix hun . but wishing you all the best xxx

18 Mar 2005

hi both
i dont normally join in this type of chat but felt i had to with this one i really do hope everything works out ok for the both of you i have never met either of you just chatted in here but you both seem to be a wonderful couple always ready to support and help others hope someone can help you now
colin

18 Mar 2005

NO NO NO
I don't care what anyone says...he stays here!!
Sue them, go to the papers, march in front of downing street....i dont care but you both have my support and Lee's...... evil

:evil: :evil: :evil:
The blood boils mad

:x :x :x
You seem to have a lot of practical advice on here so all i can add is ((((((((HUGS))))))
kaz

18 Mar 2005

As has been said before, we know nothing about this sort of thing but we hope it works out for you both. This kind of thing is a prime example of why we're seriously considering leaving the UK for good.

18 Mar 2005

Decisions like this are rarely made by taking an extensive look at individual circumstances. It is usually a 'tick the box' filtering exercise. It is likely you will just need a few more boxes ticked on the 'yes' side to have the application accepted.
You are doing the right thing - getting as much good advice as possible, from as many sources as possible, and acting quickly.
Just don't panic and start firing shots off in all directions. Get yourself a plan, (preferably a good legally based one) and stick to it.
Good luck.
lhk
Kat

18 Mar 2005

To All~
Thanks for the good advice and wishes on our situation. The links were especially helpful in finding insights into the appeal process. As Silk & Big G had mentioned, this will probably drag on for months. As soon as the Immigration Advisory Service opens at 10am, I'll give them a ring, apprise them of the situation and try to get an appointment for assistance in filing the appeal.
One thing I'm wary about that I've encountered in some of your links is the recommendation not to provide too much information in the appeal. If you do, anything you cite there cannot be used for subsequent appeals. Thus, I'm seeking professional advice from the IAS to see which points I should target. As it is, I'm considering all of the following:
1. I've been travelling here for the past four years legally under a standard six month visitor's visa, and returning to the 'States semi-annually to fulfill its requirements.
2. I've not worked in the UK at all during my visits, remaining employed solely in the U.S. and working over the internet and using my personal savings to supplement my income for living expenses.
3. I own our home in Glastonbury, within which myself, Vic and our two dependent children live. If I am forced to leave the country, they will be rendered homeless.
4. I am sole caregiver for Vic and, as you all know, the symptoms of her multiple sclerosis have been worsening over the past months. I can probably obtain supporting documentation, if necessary, from her doctors, her work (where she'd been off sick for nearly six months) and from the Multiple Sclerosis Resource Centre. If I had to return to the 'States, even if it's just to re-file my request and wait 3+ weeks for a decision, it would impose considerable hardship.
Hopefully, the IAS will advise me which of these points would be most effective in submitting my appeal. Will certainly let you all know how it goes...
~Reese! surprised

P.S. ...and thanks to Mal for the much-needed smile:

Quote by mal609

18 Mar 2005

Quote by Reese
P.S. ...and thanks to Mal for the much-needed smile:

Hmmmph, Rhmmphhhh, blmmmmpphhhh
It's nothing Reese - bloody hot down here, though!! lol

Mal

18 Mar 2005

Quote by bluexxx
:shock:
I don't know anyting about the law on this, but surely as you're married isn't Reese considered a British citizen? :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

Think that has been changed recently but not sure of the details.
This is a bit scary. Hope to hell you both get this sorted, Vix & Reece. kiss

18 Mar 2005

I really do hope you manage to sort this Vix and Reese.....
Why this place turns away genuine, honest and deserving people I will never know......
Really wish I could be of more help, but you certainly have my support anyway....
Rick.

18 Mar 2005

You have a PM vix and reece

18 Mar 2005

Vix and Reese have my complete support. I'll sign any petition - give any support I can.
This is going to sound like a "But" - but it isn't. Does anybody have any idea how difficult it is going to be to get into the USA? Tom's grand-daughter was born in Los Angeles and therefore has a right to US citizenship but Tom has no "right" to visit her. Soon, if WE havent't the right sort of passport we will have to go personally to the US Embassy in London (we're in the North West) and pay to obtain a visitor's visa - and that only for three months.
Huge expense. Like I said - my complete and unhesitating support for Vix and Reese. But it isn't just this country - it's all others and it's Reese's There - I knew I was going to say "But". Sorry
I am a citizen of the World and I should be able to go anywhere.
Best Wishes
Mollie

18 Mar 2005

Quote by bluexxx
:shock:
I don't know anyting about the law on this, but surely as you're married isn't Reese considered a British citizen? :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

No it doesn't... When you marry a British Citizen you have the right to apply for Citizenship, it isn't automatically given though.
This then raises the question as to whether you have applied for British Citizenship Reese?? I would have thought it would have been the best thing to do considering all the travelling back and forth to the USA in the last 4 years.
Maidinheaven, my eldest daughter was born in Australia and if she wished to return there at any time her father would not have an automatic right to visit her because he is a British Citizen. This would not apply to me as I have dual Australian/British citizenship.
The immigration laws are a very complex thing and therefore only a specialist lawyer would be able to give the correct advice.
Shireen
xxx

18 Mar 2005

Quote by maidinheaven
I am a citizen of the World and I should be able to go anywhere.
Mollie

Actually I do know that if you are born on a plane or on a ship whilst in International waters, you do get an International passport that makes you a citizen of the world. I say we should all have them and be free to go and visit wherever we choose!!!

18 Mar 2005

Ok, this might sound really stupid, or really clever, depending on how correct this turns out, but as far as I can see, appeals can only be turned down if you are applying for entry as a visitor, which is what the `indefinate stay` visa amounts to? If you apply for citizenship really quickly (the application would be from your end, so no hold ups with the actual applying) then it might provoke a loophole/conflict that would prevent deportation in the near future, regardless of where you stand with the indefinate stay application?
Loads of question marks because it`s not an area I`m familiar with, but I wouldn`t be surprised if this is a possible way around the red tape. You just need to find a hole and make it wider.
Edit:

However, there is no such right of appeal in the following cases:
* Refusal to come to the UK as a visitor, unless your application relates to an application for entry clearance as a family visitor;

Now you are married to Vix you are family. Maybe I`m being simplistic, but that to me reads you are at least entitled to appeal.
Venusxxx

18 Mar 2005

Laws are very complicated - mostly cos of the Grantham Butcher's obession with immigration. My brother and I were both born abroad to a British father and non-British mother - we are British cos our father was born here. Neither of us can pass on that Britishness to our children born abroad.
At one point we were British as right cos we were born on BAOR land but she stripped us (and hundreds more) of it to try to stop the flow of people from Asia coming over. She really was an idiot.
Doesn't help Vix or Reese but just shows that the fall-out from Thatcher still goes on.
:P

18 Mar 2005

Venus, from what I remember you cannot apply for citizenship to the uk until you have been here for 4/5 years.

18 Mar 2005

We have nothing of use to offer you both, except our love and support.
Mr & Mrs GHC :therethere: :confused: Its just sooooo not fair is it?

18 Mar 2005

Just to clear things up...You can apply for indefinate leave to remain after 4 years resident LEGALLY in the uk...ie, someone on a long work permit, ETC...This is not citizenship.
The rules are, you must seek pre entry clearance after marraige outside the UK before starting to live here, this is normally a 4 year marraige visa. Which leads to ILR.