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first of all let me say that i like loads of you out there and this is not meant as a dig at any persons in particular...
i have noticed that there are loads of parties out there that do exclude single men......
i am not knocking cpls only parties..... i understand why these are there....
i suppose my beef is with parties for "couples and single fems" as if single men are no treated as the lowest of the low already....
i just find it weird that if i am good enough to play with when i have a woman attached to me that i am suddenly not when i don't.......
maybe it is just me that looks for personalty and spark..maybe it is me that look to know people first and not look at a "status" i suppose that no matter how genuine a person can be you will never be more than a single man/woman/bi male/bi woman/ couple in some peoples eyes.....
yours......... "disillusioned of newcastle"
Its nothing personal, just some people have their preferences. You've heard of greedy girl parties, well they are the male equivalent- greedy guy parties.
I think it's because otherwise the parties are flooded with young horny males who upset husbands and do not understand fully the concept of swinging.... rolleyes Maybe I'm wrong .....it's a wild guess...
Seems to me that a few bad apples make it difficult for beautiful people like you fabio.
If they let one in they must let all in, no?
I don’t believe single guys are lepers it’s just that their reputation as a whole is similar to that of a Millwall football fan. The reality is that most are fine and just a few spoil it.
Perhaps party organisers don’t want to take a risk. At the end of the day if you are organising a party it is your prerogative to invite who you want
I think you know the reality Sean; most couples seek other couples or a single bi fem, so they go to parties for couples and bi fems. If someone posted about a males and couples party, single females wouldn't complain confused
I can see it from both sides; when I go to a club that lets in single men they outnumber the ladies by many to one, which is intimidating for most ladies and isn't really that good for the single men either.
What is needed is a club which just lets in selected single men (Iike Fabio and me) lol
Fabio
I don't think single men are lepers but I DO think we are each responsible for creating our own perception and persona and that life is what we make it.
Do I think some single men are lepers? No - but I think that anyone can be a pain in the arse, man or women. Any of the 'doggers' on here will tell you that the behaviour of some guys is absolutely unacceptable at dogging sites. This is the same type of behaviour that would no doubt replicate itself at parties if left uncontrolled in some way.
I've had invites to 'couples or females' only parties and I don't think it was because of the the 'bi' thing as I'm still a bloke. I'd like to think it was because people knew me and saw me as non-threatening and respectful of their preferences.
There are always exceptions to the rule (and usually these are numerous) but the rules have to be there to establish some kind of bench mark in the first place. I'll bet there will be single guys there too and it's likely that will be because of the things I mention above.
try being a married guy on here looking for a bit of fun sad
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try being a married guy on here looking for a bit of fun sad

Try the wife wink
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try being a married guy on here looking for a bit of fun sad

With your wife's permission of course? :twisted:
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try being a married guy on here looking for a bit of fun sad

Don't even go there Zepsix. There are people who will play with married men, but there are also many who won't. I think most people who wouldn't, have now accepted the 'ok they're married but at least they're telling us they're married so leave them alone' stance, but I wouldn't go complaining about not getting meets because of it, if I were you confused
Its a case of "Supply & Demand"
Single guys probably account for 60-70% of swingers ads...there is no way we or many other couples would attend a party with that kind of ratio.
We work with a couple of friends who are party hosts....we always limit the number of single guys invited to a party, usually about 50 couples to 12 single guys.
The best advice we can offer to single guys is to get along to as many socials/munches as possible...and be patient you might not rock every bodies boat.
Oeorrr...was that a bit sensible for us?
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try being a married guy on here looking for a bit of fun sad

Don't even go there Zepsix. There are people who will play with married men, but there are also many who won't. I think most people who wouldn't, have now accepted the 'ok they're married but at least they're telling us they're married so leave them alone' stance, but I wouldn't go complaining about not getting meets because of it, if I were you confused
what about the women playing behind there husbands backs around look in the ads
anyway this seans thread not
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Its a case of "Supply & Demand"
Single guys probably account for 60-70% of swingers ads...there is no way we or many other couples would attend a party with that kind of ratio.
We work with a couple of friends who are party hosts....we always limit the number of single guys invited to a party, usually about 50 couples to 12 single guys.
The best advice we can offer to single guys is to get along to as many socials/munches as possible...and be patient you might not rock every bodies boat.
Oeorrr...was that a bit sensible for us?

No - spot on biggrin
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try being a married guy on here looking for a bit of fun sad

Don't even go there Zepsix. There are people who will play with married men, but there are also many who won't. I think most people who wouldn't, have now accepted the 'ok they're married but at least they're telling us they're married so leave them alone' stance, but I wouldn't go complaining about not getting meets because of it, if I were you confused
what about the women playing behind there husbands backs around look in the ads
anyway this seans thread not
What about them? Yes they are on here but they aren't complaining about not geting meets either are they?
Quote by fabio grooverider
first of all let me say that i like loads of you out there and this is not meant as a dig at any persons in particular...
i have noticed that there are loads of parties out there that do exclude single men......
i am not knocking cpls only parties..... i understand why these are there....
i suppose my beef is with parties for "couples and single fems" as if single men are no treated as the lowest of the low already....
i just find it weird that if i am good enough to play with when i have a woman attached to me that i am suddenly not when i don't.......
maybe it is just me that looks for personalty and spark..maybe it is me that look to know people first and not look at a "status" i suppose that no matter how genuine a person can be you will never be more than a single man/woman/bi male/bi woman/ couple in some peoples eyes.....
yours......... "disillusioned of newcastle"

OK! Fabio, I've asked Jensen about htis matter and his answer is that he worries if there are single males present that he will be judged somehow inferior. This might be in the size department or technique department, but still worried enough to want to avoid single males.
I have tried to reassure him, but the problem is deep seated and will require constant treatment. Good job I have the patience of a saint......
Don't worry, sweetie pie, even though we haven't met I know l would like you, even if you are single. kiss
:love:
Netsuke
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I think you know the reality Sean; most couples seek other couples or a single bi fem, so they go to parties for couples and bi fems. If someone posted about a males and couples party, single females wouldn't complain confused

not quite the point i was trying to make.......
i accept the most couples want to meet couples.....
i accept there are a lot of people what to meet bi fems....
bev i never mentioned the word "BI" fems... and neither do the parties... they just state single fems... make of that what you will...
but i do not accept that i should be labelled for being a "single man" anymore than you should be for being part of a "couple"
i am just sick of the sweeping generalistions and the "stigma" attached.... i can only fight it so much.... i just want to be judge for me......period!!!
sean xxxxxxx
Quote by freckledbird
try being a married guy on here looking for a bit of fun sad

Don't even go there Zepsix. There are people who will play with married men, but there are also many who won't. I think most people who wouldn't, have now accepted the 'ok they're married but at least they're telling us they're married so leave them alone' stance, but I wouldn't go complaining about not getting meets because of it, if I were you confused
what about the women playing behind there husbands backs around look in the ads
anyway this seans thread not
What about them? Yes they are on here but they aren't complaining about not geting meets either are they?
try matter of fact.i am not complaining.
lol
so gizz a kiss frecklebird
So the sad isn't a sign that you're unhappy thet people won't meet you Zepsix?
If no, I do apologise. But I won't kiss you either lol
Quote by fabio grooverider
I think you know the reality Sean; most couples seek other couples or a single bi fem, so they go to parties for couples and bi fems. If someone posted about a males and couples party, single females wouldn't complain confused

not quite the point i was trying to make.......
i accept the most couples want to meet couples.....
i accept there are a lot of people what to meet bi fems....
bev i never mentioned the word "BI" fems... and neither do the parties... they just state single fems... make of that what you will...
but i do not accept that i should be labelled for being a "single man" anymore than you should be for being part of a "couple"
i am just sick of the sweeping generalistions and the "stigma" attached.... i can only fight it so much.... i just want to be judge for me......period!!!
sean xxxxxxx
Once again, Fabio :therethere:
kiss
:love:
Netsuke
Quote by freckledbird
So the sad isn't a sign that you're unhappy thet people won't meet you Zepsix?
If no, I do apologise. But I won't kiss you either lol

He's a lovely guy, frecklebird :lol: and yes he gets to meet people - it isnt all about shagging
Quote by fabio grooverider
I think you know the reality Sean; most couples seek other couples or a single bi fem, so they go to parties for couples and bi fems. If someone posted about a males and couples party, single females wouldn't complain confused

not quite the point i was trying to make.......
i accept the most couples want to meet couples.....
i accept there are a lot of people what to meet bi fems....
bev i never mentioned the word "BI" fems... and neither do the parties... they just state single fems... make of that what you will...
but i do not accept that i should be labelled for being a "single man" anymore than you should be for being part of a "couple"
i am just sick of the sweeping generalistions and the "stigma" attached.... i can only fight it so much.... i just want to be judge for me......period!!!
sean xxxxxxx
Of all the single males on here Sean, you are one of the most liked and I'm sure you know that. I don't label you as anything, but you are indeed a single man, just as I am part of a couple. If people want to exclude single men from their parties, that is their right and making comments about it isn't likely to change their minds. Some might even see you as a bit pushy if you were to keep asking about it. And no, I don't think you are pushy, before you ask.
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So the sad isn't a sign that you're unhappy thet people won't meet you Zepsix?
If no, I do apologise. But I won't kiss you either lol

He's a lovely guy, frecklebird :lol: and yes he gets to meet people - it isnt all about shagging
Kinky I didn't say he wasn't a nice guy or that he didn't get meets, but in this particular thread it appeared as if he was unhappy about having difficulty getting meets. No it isn't all about shagging.
Quote by freckledbird
I think you know the reality Sean; most couples seek other couples or a single bi fem, so they go to parties for couples and bi fems. If someone posted about a males and couples party, single females wouldn't complain confused

not quite the point i was trying to make.......
i accept the most couples want to meet couples.....
i accept there are a lot of people what to meet bi fems....
bev i never mentioned the word "BI" fems... and neither do the parties... they just state single fems... make of that what you will...
but i do not accept that i should be labelled for being a "single man" anymore than you should be for being part of a "couple"
i am just sick of the sweeping generalistions and the "stigma" attached.... i can only fight it so much.... i just want to be judge for me......period!!!
sean xxxxxxx
Of all the single males on here Sean, you are one of the most liked and I'm sure you know that. I don't label you as anything, but you are indeed a single man, just as I am part of a couple. If people want to exclude single men from their parties, that is their right and making comments about it isn't likely to change their minds. Some might even see you as a bit pushy if you were to keep asking about it. And no, I don't think you are pushy, before you ask.
okay bev.... remember when surreycouple set up their parties for the "attractive" people... how many people had a say then.... and i remeber a lot of people being very very vocal about it...... we knew it would never change minds but alot of people had opinions....
i have never has a chip about it to anyone... i have even joked about it in the chatroom and called people single-ist........i have friends that i love dearly, you included, and know after talking to them that they would never play with me... nor i with them.....but the point i am making is that i got to know them and them me and made that decision.....not just a random sweep at said "right...i want to get to know everyone exceprt you , you and you"
i have had to deal with it because i am a larger bloke.... i have had to deal with it because i am black.... i have has to deal with it because i am a single guy
i just wish i didn't have to keep dealing with it.......
sean xxxxxxxxxx
okay bev.... remember when surreycouple set up their parties for the "attractive" people... how many people had a say then.... and i remeber a lot of people being very very vocal about it...... we knew it would never change minds but alot of people had opinions....
i have never has a chip about it to anyone... i have even joked about it in the chatroom and called people single-ist........i have friends that i love dearly, you included, and know after talking to them that they would never play with me... nor i with them.....but the point i am making is that i got to know them and them me and made that decision.....not just a random sweep at said "right...i want to get to know everyone exceprt you , you and you"
i have had to deal with it because i am a larger bloke.... i have had to deal with it because i am black.... i have has to deal with it because i am a single guy

Yes I remember the reactions to Surreycouple but at the end of the day, it's their house so they invite who they want. If fat people wanted only fat people to their homes, that's their choice. I personally think you're one of the least threatening men on here, whether you're black, white, slim, fat is irrelevant and you have been to parties that have not excluded single men, so you know that not everyone excludes them. As you've said, people have opinions but it won't necessarily make people change their minds. The people who have got to know you, are happy for you to attend their parties, they don't make sweeping generalisations and exclude you.
Party organisers want to maximise the numbers of people at their parties and so they invite/select people according to their status. Some of them invite single males. Some don't. A lot of couples might be put off by a large number of single males, as they are at clubs; maybe that's why they exclude them sometimes and ask for couples and single females only.
In answer to your question, no I don't think single guys are lepers any more than single females, couples or whatever gender/sexuality.
Sean, I've been really touched by your dilemma. Want you to know that as a very recent single, I understand your position. Although I'm a fem, sometimes the situation is very similar to what you've experienced. Personally, I don't want to be labelled as someone who's there for couples.
To be honest I never thought about "why don't they want single men?"
I had 2 party invites through my picture ad but I said "no, thanks" (I'm too shy).
Why don't we just respect everybody's wishes without thinking about "why", there are enough gang bang parties, so no reason for us to complain.
I think there's too many single men. Would you like to go to a party and see 10 couples, 3 single women and 30 single men? I wouldn't.
smile
Sean
I was a Leper then I got treated by a couple . wink
Have faith mate
Fred
Quote by fabio grooverider
first of all let me say that i like loads of you out there and this is not meant as a dig at any persons in particular...
i have noticed that there are loads of parties out there that do exclude single men......
i am not knocking cpls only parties..... i understand why these are there....
i suppose my beef is with parties for "couples and single fems" as if single men are no treated as the lowest of the low already....
i just find it weird that if i am good enough to play with when i have a woman attached to me that i am suddenly not when i don't.......
maybe it is just me that looks for personalty and spark..maybe it is me that look to know people first and not look at a "status" i suppose that no matter how genuine a person can be you will never be more than a single man/woman/bi male/bi woman/ couple in some peoples eyes.....
yours......... "disillusioned of newcastle"

On the other hand there are parties where u are welcome to attend - I replied to a pm from you and invited you along to a party and have had no response.
:Let me know please, places as u know for single guys are in short demand at times.
I can see why single guys get dis-heartened, but if people only want couples, or fems, or green-eyed goblins, it is up to them. Yeah, there are some parties that are couples and fems only (each to their own), but there are plenty of events where single guys are welcome, that includes some parties and all social events advertised on here.
Funnily enough the party we are planning at the mo is open to everyone, as have our other parties been, but considering the amount of single guys on the site, the list is actually over-represented by couples. I would say that there are nearly as many single fems as single guys coming, and looking at the list over all, the gender split is almost 50/50. Make of that what you will - but my answer is that the single guys are too scared to come hehehehehehehehehehe :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: