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Quote by Phuckers
this case is just another example why death sentence should never be allowed in the justice system!
Don't agree.
Peter Sutcliffe Guilty of 13 murders? Ian Huntley guilty of the murder of two little girls? Sarah Paynes killer guilty of the most horrific crime?
Yes of course there are examples of people being found not guilty, but the murder of a child in my mind demands the deathy should have done the " Saddam swing ".
As for George in my mind how can they find him guilty at one trial with everything at their disposal, an experienced trial judge and more lawyers than you can shake a stick at? :shock: and then 8 years on with the same band of wallys find him not guilty? :shock:
I read and listened to that trial years ago and in my mind he is as guilty today as he was 8 years ago. I feel so sorry for the family of Miss Dando today, as how they are feeling God knows. Still George gets a nice tidy payout from the taxpayer and no doubt another large bunce from the film makers, who will want his signature tom morning when he sells his story to the NOTW.
The criminal justice system stinks in this country, but until something better comes along more people will walk straight out onto the streets to pocket " loads of money ".
Sex God
Quote by deancannock
its clear why he has now been found not guilty..because evidence that was not avialbale 8 years ago....is now !!! And yes this clearly shows why the death penalty should never be introduced...This innocent man would now be dead !!
And a lot of animals who have ,murdered,tortured would be dead and not living in jail at our expense taking a place in jail that could be used by a scrote that isnt jailed as the jails are overcrowded...
Minefield alert!!
Having studied the death penalty at uni, it became clear (to me at least) that the only function it serves is one of revenge or retribution. There are a lot of studies that show it serves no deterrent purpose. In fact many states that have it in America have higher incidences of serious violent crime than non-capital punishment states (the brutalization theory if memory serves).
Also the death penalty costs more than prison (trial costs are roughly ten times higher if the death penalty is pursued). And the cost of incarceration is higher for death penalty prisoners than for lifers. Yes they'll serve less time, but some of these prisoners are serving 15 years, and THEN being executed.
Having said all this, rationally, I'm not sure if my mind would change if someone I loved was taken away from me......
Mister Wood
(sometimes serious)
Having studied the death penalty at uni, it became clear (to me at least) that the only function it serves is one of revenge or retribution. There are a lot of studies that show it serves no deterrent purpose. In fact many states that have it in America have higher incidences of serious violent crime than non-capital punishment states (the brutalization theory if memory serves).
Also the death penalty costs more than prison (trial costs are roughly ten times higher if the death penalty is pursued). And the cost of incarceration is higher for death penalty prisoners than for lifers. Yes they'll serve less time, but some of these prisoners are serving 15 years, and THEN being executed.
Having said all this, rationally, I'm not sure if my mind would change if someone I loved was taken away from me......
Mister Wood
(sometimes serious)
Quote by Misterwood
Minefield alert!!
Having studied the death penalty at uni, it became clear (to me at least) that the only function it serves is one of revenge or retribution. There are a lot of studies that show it serves no deterrent purpose. In fact many states that have it in America have higher incidences of serious violent crime than non-capital punishment states (the brutalization theory if memory serves).
Also the death penalty costs more than prison (trial costs are roughly ten times higher if the death penalty is pursued). And the cost of incarceration is higher for death penalty prisoners than for lifers. Yes they'll serve less time, but some of these prisoners are serving 15 years, and THEN being executed.
Having said all this, rationally, I'm not sure if my mind would change if someone I loved was taken away from me......
Mister Wood
(sometimes serious)
On the other hand the recidivism of executed prisoners is thought to be rather low :P
Sex God
Quote by Peanut
Minefield alert!!
Having studied the death penalty at uni, it became clear (to me at least) that the only function it serves is one of revenge or retribution. There are a lot of studies that show it serves no deterrent purpose. In fact many states that have it in America have higher incidences of serious violent crime than non-capital punishment states (the brutalization theory if memory serves).
Also the death penalty costs more than prison (trial costs are roughly ten times higher if the death penalty is pursued). And the cost of incarceration is higher for death penalty prisoners than for lifers. Yes they'll serve less time, but some of these prisoners are serving 15 years, and THEN being executed.
Having said all this, rationally, I'm not sure if my mind would change if someone I loved was taken away from me......
Mister Wood
(sometimes serious)
On the other hand the recidivism of executed prisoners is thought to be rather low :P
:giggle: :giggle: :giggle:
Quote by kentswingers777
As for George in my mind how can they find him guilty at one trial with everything at their disposal, an experienced trial judge and more lawyers than you can shake a stick at? :shock: and then 8 years on with the same band of wallys find him not guilty? :shock:
I read and listened to that trial years ago and in my mind he is as guilty today as he was 8 years ago.
And so did the judge and jury years ago. The case was retried because key evidence at the first trial was shown to be inadmissible.
Let's hope you never get to sit on a jury! :shock:
L x
Quote by Lonni
As for George in my mind how can they find him guilty at one trial with everything at their disposal, an experienced trial judge and more lawyers than you can shake a stick at? :shock: and then 8 years on with the same band of wallys find him not guilty? :shock:
I read and listened to that trial years ago and in my mind he is as guilty today as he was 8 years ago.
And so did the judge and jury years ago. The case was retried because key evidence at the first trial was shown to be inadmissible.
Let's hope you never get to sit on a jury! :shock:
L x
Whys that then? :shock:
Me and you would have come to the same decision as that jury did 8 years ago. Guilty!
The lawyers and the high court judges have become more cleverer over the last decade, in getting people off that they were found guilty of.
Clever barristers and lawyers can get you off, if you have the know how and more often that not, the money.
Look at O J Simpson. That guy was as guilty as hell, everyone knew it but money and influence got him his freedom.
If I ever sat on a jury I would make MY decision based on the evidence that was put before the court and the jury. Is that not how the British justice system works, or have I missed something? :shock:
Quote by kentswingers777
Whys that then? :shock:
Because in the post of yours that I quoted, you basically said "Fuck the evidence. I know he's guilty. No-one's going to change my mind"
And as regards the OJ Simpson trial, that's another case you seem to know nothing about. Yes he had the best lawyers and plenty of money but he was actually acquitted because a racist LAPD detective had tampered with vital evidence. If it hadn't been for that he would almost certainly have been convicted.
L x
It`s a shame that the press have an influence over the decisions on high profile cases. Their reporting leads to people believing that he is guilty even before the trial ... so in effect reversing innocent till proven guilty. In the first trial it is clear the evidence wasn`t presented to clear Mr George, where as in the second it was. In effect he is now innocent after being "proved" guilty.
I didn't sit on the jury, hear the evidence so can not comment on whether justice is done. We must all be cautious and not make assumptions on someones guilt / innocence by reading the daily papers !
I didn't sit on the jury, hear the evidence so can not comment on whether justice is done. We must all be cautious and not make assumptions on someones guilt / innocence by reading the daily papers !
Sex God
Quote by Suede-head
I didn't sit on the jury, hear the evidence so can not comment on whether justice is done. We must all be cautious and not make assumptions on someones guilt / innocence by reading the daily papers !
:thumbup: or second-guess the whys and wherefores of his involvement at all by suggesting he was a scapegoat.
Sex God
Quote by Suede-head
Bugger FB you quoted me before i had chance to check my spelling !
I'll edit it! 
Sex God
I've never read so much bollox on one thread in my entire life (with exceptions)
Barry George was totally incapable of committing murder, fact.
The assassination of Jill Dando was just that, well planned and expertly executed, with extreme prejudice, trust me, I know this stuff.
The judicial system needs to stop being scared of the real killers out there and bring them to justice, how strange that everyone seems to have forgotten the last assignment she was working on when she died and that all references to it have been pulled off the net
as for the whole hanging debate, i don’t care how many kids / women /men / old grannies etc have died, for the state to murder an innocent person means they have murdered them in my name. Not A Chance, I'm quite happy to pay my taxes to keep them in jail just on the off chance that they might be innocent.
Or should we introduce street justice and the the tire necklace to the uk? You might want to think about your answer, it could so easily be you.
Barry George was totally incapable of committing murder, fact.
The assassination of Jill Dando was just that, well planned and expertly executed, with extreme prejudice, trust me, I know this stuff.
The judicial system needs to stop being scared of the real killers out there and bring them to justice, how strange that everyone seems to have forgotten the last assignment she was working on when she died and that all references to it have been pulled off the net
as for the whole hanging debate, i don’t care how many kids / women /men / old grannies etc have died, for the state to murder an innocent person means they have murdered them in my name. Not A Chance, I'm quite happy to pay my taxes to keep them in jail just on the off chance that they might be innocent.
Or should we introduce street justice and the the tire necklace to the uk? You might want to think about your answer, it could so easily be you.
Quote by Pete_sw
I've never read so much bollox on one thread in my entire life (with exceptions)
Barry George was totally incapable of committing murder, fact.
The assassination of Jill Dando was just that, well planned and expertly executed, with extreme prejudice, trust me, I know this stuff.
The judicial system needs to stop being scared of the real killers out there and bring them to justice, how strange that everyone seems to have forgotten the last assignment she was working on when she died and that all references to it have been pulled off the net
as for the whole hanging debate, i don’t care how many kids / women /men / old grannies etc have died, for the state to murder an innocent person means they have murdered them in my name. Not A Chance, I'm quite happy to pay my taxes to keep them in jail just on the off chance that they might be innocent.
Or should we introduce street justice and the the tire necklace to the uk? You might want to think about your answer, it could so easily be you.
very well said,there is alot behind Gill's death that is still covered up... Barry was a scapegoat
Quote by Phuckers
very well said,there is alot behind Gill's death that is still covered up... Barry was a scapegoat
Quote by Phuckers
i still got a funny feeling he will be back behind bars!
So, exactly what did you mean by the second quote, then?
Sam (just asking) xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sex God
Quote by Phuckers
I've never read so much bollox on one thread in my entire life (with exceptions)
Barry George was totally incapable of committing murder, fact.
The assassination of Jill Dando was just that, well planned and expertly executed, with extreme prejudice, trust me, I know this stuff.
The judicial system needs to stop being scared of the real killers out there and bring them to justice, how strange that everyone seems to have forgotten the last assignment she was working on when she died and that all references to it have been pulled off the net
as for the whole hanging debate, i don’t care how many kids / women /men / old grannies etc have died, for the state to murder an innocent person means they have murdered them in my name. Not A Chance, I'm quite happy to pay my taxes to keep them in jail just on the off chance that they might be innocent.
Or should we introduce street justice and the the tire necklace to the uk? You might want to think about your answer, it could so easily be you.
very well said,there is alot behind Gill's death that is still covered up... Barry was a scapegoat
Then it also stands to reason that there is still a lot that neither of you two know (or need to know, in fact). As you weren't directly involved you shouldn't be speculating. He's been cleared, he'll get his compensation - and for a simple soul like him, I dare say that will be more than enough. Leave it at that.
Quote by Pete_sw
I've never read so much bollox on one thread in my entire life (with exceptions)
Barry George was totally incapable of committing murder, fact.
The assassination of Jill Dando was just that, well planned and expertly executed, with extreme prejudice, trust me, I know this stuff.
The judicial system needs to stop being scared of the real killers out there and bring them to justice, how strange that everyone seems to have forgotten the last assignment she was working on when she died and that all references to it have been pulled off the net
as for the whole hanging debate, i don’t care how many kids / women /men / old grannies etc have died, for the state to murder an innocent person means they have murdered them in my name. Not A Chance, I'm quite happy to pay my taxes to keep them in jail just on the off chance that they might be innocent.
Or should we introduce street justice and the the tire necklace to the uk? You might want to think about your answer, it could so easily be you.
Would that be an American import?
Tell him, FB!
Quote by winchwench
I've never read so much bollox on one thread in my entire life (with exceptions)
Barry George was totally incapable of committing murder, fact.
The assassination of Jill Dando was just that, well planned and expertly executed, with extreme prejudice, trust me, I know this stuff.
The judicial system needs to stop being scared of the real killers out there and bring them to justice, how strange that everyone seems to have forgotten the last assignment she was working on when she died and that all references to it have been pulled off the net
as for the whole hanging debate, i don’t care how many kids / women /men / old grannies etc have died, for the state to murder an innocent person means they have murdered them in my name. Not A Chance, I'm quite happy to pay my taxes to keep them in jail just on the off chance that they might be innocent.
Or should we introduce street justice and the the tire necklace to the uk? You might want to think about your answer, it could so easily be you.
Would that be an American import?
Tell him, FB!
I think it's a new item in the Argos (aka Chav Central) catalogue.
Sex God
Quote by winchwench
I've never read so much bollox on one thread in my entire life (with exceptions)
Barry George was totally incapable of committing murder, fact.
The assassination of Jill Dando was just that, well planned and expertly executed, with extreme prejudice, trust me, I know this stuff.
The judicial system needs to stop being scared of the real killers out there and bring them to justice, how strange that everyone seems to have forgotten the last assignment she was working on when she died and that all references to it have been pulled off the net
as for the whole hanging debate, i don’t care how many kids / women /men / old grannies etc have died, for the state to murder an innocent person means they have murdered them in my name. Not A Chance, I'm quite happy to pay my taxes to keep them in jail just on the off chance that they might be innocent.
Or should we introduce street justice and the the tire necklace to the uk? You might want to think about your answer, it could so easily be you.
Would that be an American import?
Tell him, FB!
Sadly an import soon to be seen on our streets from central Africa, trust me, it's not a pleasant sight.
Quote by blonde
very well said,there is alot behind Gill's death that is still covered up... Barry was a scapegoat
Quote by Phuckers
i still got a funny feeling he will be back behind bars!
So, exactly what did you mean by the second quote, then?
Sam (just asking) xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
the title of this thread should answer that!
Sex God
Quote by winchwench
Or should we introduce street justice and the the tire necklace to the uk? You might want to think about your answer, it could so easily be you.
Would that be an American import?
Tell him, FB!
Yes, it's an American import. Originally from Africa though, I believe. And it's not pretty.
