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Quote by Bluefish2009
On the other side of the coin I can see if a straight male is uncomfortable with being in the same bed as a bi male then that is a freedom of choice.

Thats the problem though, some people wont respect other peoples freedom of choice, for example if someone posted a thread on the forum saying they were uncomfortable trying something, we're sure most if not all the answers would be, well if your not comfortable with that dont try it.
However if in your example, a straight man freely admits that he's not comfortable being naked or playing around a bisexual man, it always seems to get questioned, and in extreme cases he'll get labeled a homophobic biggot :shock:
How about the ones who are only orally bi..or only take as opposed to give.........or only hand bi...........how bi are you before your bi...im curious? does this mean im bi lol
Quote by Mark_July
How about the ones who are only orally bi..or only take as opposed to give.........or only hand bi...........how bi are you before your bi...im curious? does this mean im bi lol

I find 'situationally bi' is a good phrase
:lol:
Quote by sexoholics
On the other side of the coin I can see if a straight male is uncomfortable with being in the same bed as a bi male then that is a freedom of choice.

Thats the problem though, some people wont respect other peoples freedom of choice, for example if someone posted a thread on the forum saying they were uncomfortable trying something, we're sure most if not all the answers would be, well if your not comfortable with that dont try it.
However if in your example, a straight man freely admits that he's not comfortable being naked or playing around a bisexual man, it always seems to get questioned, and in extreme cases he'll get labeled a homophobic biggot :shock:
True, but I don't understand how you can trust someone to happily fuck your wife, but not that they won't fuck you.
What Nola said :thumbup:... and because I can't really speak right now as I have a mouth full of 'straight' cock innocent
At the end of the day, it's your actions that count, not the label you or anyone else gives you... and a LOT of the 'straight' men here play with blokes - especially when there's pussy about - FACT... not gay opinion. I've been there and seen it happen. Same as Dogging I've found - in my opinion, a bloke who's sex drive is high enough to take him off to a car park in the pissing rain in -10 degrees looking for 'straight' sex will consider sex with a guy - even if it's just a blow. Again, I've seen it happen (and done it) many, many times.
Are they bi? I dunno, I don't really care, just horny and feeling sexy I guess and as long as we all get off on it then great. I discovered very early on here that it rarely 'does what it says on the tin' so now I just make sure I ask the 'tin' lots of questions before I take it off the shelf and open it wink
And no, I don't think all men are bi, I didn't say that. But I do think in the right scenario a lot of men will play. At the end of the day, this is a sexually driven and motivated site so it's par for the course I think.
I'm not bi but in a sexually driven situation I'll play with females.. I've changed the label on my profile a few times after feedback - you'll never please everyone all of the time though I guess.
smile x
Oh..and to answer the question :gagged: They don't put bi because they are scared to.
Quote by noladreams
How about the ones who are only orally bi..or only take as opposed to give.........or only hand bi...........how bi are you before your bi...im curious? does this mean im bi lol

I find 'situationally bi' is a good phrase
:lol:
:thumbup: thats so true
Quote by Bear69
How about the ones who are only orally bi..or only take as opposed to give.........or only hand bi...........how bi are you before your bi...im curious? does this mean im bi lol

I find 'situationally bi' is a good phrase
:lol:
:thumbup: thats so true
Ah, but does that mean you can switch it on and off?
And if it does, where's the button?
Is it something to do with the nipples? They must have some bloody use...
Quote by Resonance
Ah, but does that mean you can switch it on and off?
And if it does, where's the button?...

About 8" up your arse Res and I'm coming to find it :twisted:
WARNING: 'Posters on the Forum may be closer than they appear' :rascal:
Quote by BIoke
Ah, but does that mean you can switch it on and off?
And if it does, where's the button?...

About 8" up your arse Res and I'm coming to find it :twisted:
WARNING: 'Posters on the Forum may be closer than they appear' :rascal:
I wondered whose head that was I saw bobbing up and down in the Tesco carpark... ;-)
Ample as my posterior is, I don't think I could accommodate 8 inches. Not with the asylum seeking family I'm sheltering up there...
Quote by Steve

On the other side of the coin I can see if a straight male is uncomfortable with being in the same bed as a bi male then that is a freedom of choice.

I quite agree with the freedom of choice comment :thumbup: but....
If a cpl can trust a man enough to invite him into their sex lives then why can they not trust him enough not to attempt any mm contact if it is not wanted dunno
I am confused by what you wrote Steve, I can only presume you are playing devils advocate, you say you understand people have a freedom of choice but cant understand why they exercise there freedom of choice?
Blokes right.
Many thanks to all the ladies, gents and bIoke (lol luv ya really hunni)for the varied replied.
Now we have some insight into why this happens can we not do something about it to make it easier for everyone?
As I said in my 1st post this thread was not a witch hunt or meant to offend but it was meant to do exactly what it has and that's a frank open discussion about why some bi men/women/cpls don't say so on their profiles. :thumbup:
Caz xx
Quote by Bluefish2009

On the other side of the coin I can see if a straight male is uncomfortable with being in the same bed as a bi male then that is a freedom of choice.

I quite agree with the freedom of choice comment :thumbup: but....
If a cpl can trust a man enough to invite him into their sex lives then why can they not trust him enough not to attempt any mm contact if it is not wanted dunno
I am confused by what you wrote Steve, I can only presume you are playing devils advocate,you say you understand people have a freedom of choice but cant understand why they exercise there freedom of choice?
Indeed I most likely am......My question wasn't aimed directly at you either but I should have made that more clear in my post.....Sorry redface
No need for apology steve but thanks any way.
Great thread guys
Quote by Resonance
....I wondered whose head that was I saw bobbing up and down in the Tesco carpark... ;-)

:shock:
Tescos?
Waitrose sweetie! ;)
Hmmm.
Most of the pm's I get are from straight men wanting, funnily enough, access to pictures, and meets. Though I find it a bit odd that someone labelling themselves as 'straight' wants a homosexual experience (not a bi one, as no female is involved) you know what? That's OK. I don't reply because, to be quite honest, if I want a gay experience I can pick up a guy in a bar easily. But whatever - I can fully understand why people don't want a label, and that's fine. It took me long enough to admit to myself that I was actually bi - and to be open about it in my everyday life as it's actually, to me, an important part of what makes me me - I'm queer and proud of it. But I don't force it down anyones throat (unless asked nicely).
The homophobia issue, though, and the anti PC stance that's becoming so prevalent these days, is an important one. Maybe it's because I'm so visually different to the majority that i seem to catch an awful lot of homophobic flak on the streets - and whatever you may think about political correctness gone mad it's difficult to defend direct verbal abuse and violence because of someones percieved sexuality, (or race, or religion or whatever) - that is what is not OK - a gang of teenagers kicking fuck out of somone for being a bit effeminate, f'rexample, is not on at all. That's homophobia, not someone making a silly joke about anal sex - but those silly jokes in the office are kind of in addition to the real nasty shit that can go down if you are openly and visibly queer, (or black, or Indian...) and I suppose that's the real message behind what people now term political correctness - just show some respect for people's feelings.
Hope that's not offended anyone - it's a difficult thing to explain as it's so wrapped up in emotion for people. I actually personally don't care if jokes are made about me, I'd just rather not be put into a coma by a gang of scallies, thanks. Sorry if that's off the topic a bit, but it probably could do with saying. Oh, I know that people will think to themselves, 'if it's really that bad then don't look like that!' - but, well, that's missing the point. The point is, everyone deserves respect, and to feel safe.
Quote by gothicpunk
Hmmm.
Most of the pm's I get are from straight men wanting, funnily enough, access to pictures, and meets. Though I find it a bit odd that someone labelling themselves as 'straight' wants a homosexual experience (not a bi one, as no female is involved) you know what? That's OK. I don't reply because, to be quite honest, if I want a gay experience I can pick up a guy in a bar easily. But whatever - I can fully understand why people don't want a label, and that's fine. It took me long enough to admit to myself that I was actually bi - and to be open about it in my everyday life as it's actually, to me, an important part of what makes me me - I'm queer and proud of it. But I don't force it down anyones throat (unless asked nicely).
The homophobia issue, though, and the anti PC stance that's becoming so prevalent these days, is an important one. Maybe it's because I'm so visually different to the majority that i seem to catch an awful lot of homophobic flak on the streets - and whatever you may think about political correctness gone mad it's difficult to defend direct verbal abuse and violence because of someones percieved sexuality, (or race, or religion or whatever) - that is what is not OK - a gang of teenagers kicking fuck out of somone for being a bit effeminate, f'rexample, is not on at all. That's homophobia, not someone making a silly joke about anal sex - but those silly jokes in the office are kind of in addition to the real nasty shit that can go down if you are openly and visibly queer, (or black, or Indian...) and I suppose that's the real message behind what people now term political correctness - just show some respect for people's feelings.
Hope that's not offended anyone - it's a difficult thing to explain as it's so wrapped up in emotion for people. I actually personally don't care if jokes are made about me, I'd just rather not be put into a coma by a gang of scallies, thanks. Sorry if that's off the topic a bit, but it probably could do with saying. Oh, I know that people will think to themselves, 'if it's really that bad then don't look like that!' - but, well, that's missing the point. The point is, everyone deserves respect, and to feel safe.

Oh bugger, I always thought you were a women sorry redface surprisedops: :oops: Its flower all over again :gagged:
Great post though
Quote by Tan--Kinky
Hmmm.
Oh bugger, I always thought you were a women sorry redface surprisedops: :oops: Its flower all over again :gagged:
Great post though

heh :> It's the picture of Durham Red that does it - I should change it, but... that would require effort smile
That was a very cool post - respect smile x
Quote by gothicpunk
Hmmm.
Oh bugger, I always thought you were a women sorry redface surprisedops: :oops: Its flower all over again :gagged:
Great post though

heh :> It's the picture of Durham Red that does it - I should change it, but... that would require effort smile
Nah I should just perve profiles more often lol
Nice chest sillyhwoar:
Quote by gothicpunk
Hmmm.
Most of the pm's I get are from straight men wanting, funnily enough, access to pictures, and meets. Though I find it a bit odd that someone labelling themselves as 'straight' wants a homosexual experience (not a bi one, as no female is involved) you know what? That's OK. I don't reply because, to be quite honest, if I want a gay experience I can pick up a guy in a bar easily. But whatever - I can fully understand why people don't want a label, and that's fine. It took me long enough to admit to myself that I was actually bi - and to be open about it in my everyday life as it's actually, to me, an important part of what makes me me - I'm queer and proud of it. But I don't force it down anyones throat (unless asked nicely).
The homophobia issue, though, and the anti PC stance that's becoming so prevalent these days, is an important one. Maybe it's because I'm so visually different to the majority that i seem to catch an awful lot of homophobic flak on the streets - and whatever you may think about political correctness gone mad it's difficult to defend direct verbal abuse and violence because of someones percieved sexuality, (or race, or religion or whatever) - that is what is not OK - a gang of teenagers kicking fuck out of somone for being a bit effeminate, f'rexample, is not on at all. That's homophobia, not someone making a silly joke about anal sex - but those silly jokes in the office are kind of in addition to the real nasty shit that can go down if you are openly and visibly queer, (or black, or Indian...) and I suppose that's the real message behind what people now term political correctness - just show some respect for people's feelings.
Hope that's not offended anyone - it's a difficult thing to explain as it's so wrapped up in emotion for people. I actually personally don't care if jokes are made about me, I'd just rather not be put into a coma by a gang of scallies, thanks. Sorry if that's off the topic a bit, but it probably could do with saying. Oh, I know that people will think to themselves, 'if it's really that bad then don't look like that!' - but, well, that's missing the point. The point is, everyone deserves respect, and to feel safe.

Thank you.
Thank you for making me think.
Quote by GnC29teeside
Can I just add that Geoff and I are very open and honest about our sexuality, not only in here but in real life too and if people don't like it then so be it.
We don't see the need to hide who and what we are with people around us and with each other...why are people taking this thread the wrong way? sad

They always do, I posted a similar thread recently, just asking the simple question as to why single guys who describe themselves as straight, then tick the box looking for single bi males. I think its a matter of honesty, rather than anything else. And my question should certainly not be taken as homophobic, which judging by the responses is exactly what people think I am. All rather daft, as a simple question was taken so far out of context I gave up.
Surely if you're bi or bi curious, then say so, and if people are honest enough to say they dont meet with bi or bi curious people, then thats their choice, nothing to do with being homophobia.
"Homophobia - The term evolved to mean a general "fear of homosexuals or of homosexual behavior." A big word, surely we arent talking about 'fear'. I certainly am not.
Quote by Kaznkev
What Nola said :thumbup:... and because I can't really speak right now as I have a mouth full of 'straight' cock innocent
At the end of the day, it's your actions that count, not the label you or anyone else gives you... and a LOT of the 'straight' men here play with blokes - especially when there's pussy about - FACT... not gay opinion. I've been there and seen it happen. Same as Dogging I've found - in my opinion, a bloke who's sex drive is high enough to take him off to a car park in the pissing rain in -10 degrees looking for 'straight' sex will consider sex with a guy - even if it's just a blow. Again, I've seen it happen (and done it) many, many times.
Are they bi? I dunno, I don't really care, just horny and feeling sexy I guess and as long as we all get off on it then great. I discovered very early on here that it rarely 'does what it says on the tin' so now I just make sure I ask the 'tin' lots of questions before I take it off the shelf and open it wink
And no, I don't think all men are bi, I didn't say that. But I do think in the right scenario a lot of men will play. At the end of the day, this is a sexually driven and motivated site so it's par for the course I think.
I'm not bi but in a sexually driven situation I'll play with females.. I've changed the label on my profile a few times after feedback - you'll never please everyone all of the time though I guess.
smile x
Oh..and to answer the question :gagged: They don't put bi because they are scared to.

:thumbup: in the discussions we have had about our status,it is clear that i fancy women and men and kev fancies women and likes cock,thay are different things,but the lable obbsessed a will not believe this.
If someone wanted to have a pint,discuss formative sexual experiences and chew the fat,well they might discover that box ticking tells you nothing
quite frankly tho i am not sure we want to play with ppl who limit themselves arbitarly,it doesnt suggest that the play will be as fab as it could be.
Ppl who have talked about choice,sure you can choose lots of things, you can also choose to accept fucking is just fucking and after that its all just so much bs
sorry about the rant
Surely to God, if we choose not to play with bi men, that's not bullshit, its our choice, and that is our right. Swinging is very personal to the individual. Perhaps SH should do away with the tick boxes altogether. Ask SH why the tick boxes are there, they must have a reason for it, and I am glad they do.
Quote by goldsmith
Surely to God, if we choose not to play with bi men, that's not bullshit, its our choice, and that is our right. Swinging is very personal to the individual. Perhaps SH should do away with the tick boxes altogether. Ask SH why the tick boxes are there, they must have a reason for it, and I am glad they do.

I agree - but how can you be sure they ain't bi.. just because they've not ticked the box? Most of the one's I play with ain't bi either wink
Quote by BIoke
Surely to God, if we choose not to play with bi men, that's not bullshit, its our choice, and that is our right. Swinging is very personal to the individual. Perhaps SH should do away with the tick boxes altogether. Ask SH why the tick boxes are there, they must have a reason for it, and I am glad they do.

I agree - but how can you be sure they ain't bi.. just because they've not ticked the box? Most of the one's I play with ain't bi either wink
You can't BIoke, thats another problem. But the people we meet have similar views to us, as far as we can tell. We do take time to get to know people we play with, and we have made some very good friends in this lifestyle, something we like and cherish.
Quote by Kaznkev
so tell me why you dont play with bi men?
I live my life as i see it,boundaries just get in the way

I don't have to explain my choices, anymore than anyone has to.
But sharing sexual experiences is what swinging is about in our view, and our preference is not to share our sexual experiences with bi men. We have lots and lots of gay, bi and straight friends, with whom we have a mutual repect for each others choices.
But again, this thread like the one I started a while ago has simply turned into a various sexual orientations protecting their own corner, which of course was not was the OP was about.
That's cool kiss I do find it all a bit intriguing and sad at the same time myself too, to be honest - the fact that people have to cover it up I mean. Especially from people that they know and love. I had a 'straight' bloke chatting to me last night and he said his girlfriend had no idea about his bi tendencies... I tend to operate on the 'well that's none of my business' basis but I still thought about it afterwards. But I do realise I'm in a pretty unusual position on here than a lot of other guys and am thankful for that.
Do the women on here think they'd know if there husband or boyfriend was bi? I reckon they would...
i don't know sometimes how debates get developed round here. you could take any profile here and examine it. there are some demanding safe sex, but show piccies of various partners bareback. there are those who want face piccies but don't show their own.
It seems like most profiles are a contradiction, and at the same time constrained by what I think is a limited vocabulary and language. So i haven't put much faith in the profile as a gauge of people's intentions or abilities. But its all there is available to use as a tool.
i just don't know if I'll be bothered again to use my profile. there never was much there anyway. Of the few I have met through the site, their profile was to me; just a formality. they were quite different to the image I had formed. It was just a nuisance to have formed an incorrect impression.
I think this thread has produced one of the most thought-provoking posts I've seen in a while.
Debates and conversations meander, therein lies the joy of them!
If we're talking corners then hell, I'm in Gothicpunk's!
Go Team GP! wink
Quote by BIoke
That's cool kiss I do find it all a bit intriguing and sad at the same time myself too, to be honest - the fact that people have to cover it up I mean. Especially from people that they know and love. I had a 'straight' bloke chatting to me last night and he said his girlfriend had no idea about his bi tendencies... I tend to operate on the 'well that's none of my business' basis but I still thought about it afterwards. But I do realise I'm in a pretty unusual position on here than a lot of other guys and am thankful for that.
Do the women on here think they'd know if there husband or boyfriend was bi? I reckon they would...

Totally agree BIoke, I certainly would. The knowing bit I mean xxx The reason I know, before I am asked, is that we are together 24/7 and spend more time than anyone can imagine talking about our sexual fantasies/preferences and such like and we are honest with each other. But I do accept that a lot of people arent as honest as some.
Oh BTW, this is good fun, a refreshing change from the chat room. Perhaps I will become a forum junkie lol xxxxx