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Bisexuals suffer more from social isolation?

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Having recently come across this on the internet - I thought I would post it here and get some feeling for the experiences/views of you bunch of retrobates.
Personally I believe that it is more difficult to "fit in" as bi-sexual. I have seen, first hand, the stigma attached to bisexuality in the gay world. Something that has always pissed me off about the community I live my life in. And yes - it is one of the reasons I continue to wear my lesbian badge/label - call it what you will.
I know there are a lot of bi people on here (and some that may identify as straight or gay, but have considered the idea of a different/same sex), so I, for one, would be interested in your thoughts.
Bisexuals suffer more from social isolation
Many bisexual people complain that they feel like outsiders in both the straight and gay/lesbian worlds, and that they can’t fit in anywhere, feeling isolated and confused. Studies have shown that bisexual people suffer from social isolation even more than gay men or lesbians because they lack any community where they can find acceptance and role models.
Many gay men feel that bisexual men are really gay, that they are just in denial about being gay, and that they should “just get over  Many straight men are homophobic and hate and fear both bisexual and gay men, often victimising them with harassment and physical violence.
Many straight women reject bisexual men out of misguided fears that they have Aids and admonish them to “stop sitting on the fence and make up their minds”. Bisexual women are often distrusted by lesbians for “sleeping with the enemy,” hanging onto heterosexual privileges through relationships with men and betraying their allegiance to women and feminism. Straight women often reject bisexual women out of fear they will make sexual overtures and try to “convert” them to being bisexual.

Rs :color:
MikeNorth - flipa lol
How cruel some people are in their attitudes. They should learn from the campaigns for people with disabilities that it's the person that counts, not the label.
Mike.
Well perhaps it means that there are loads of people out there who have yet to discover the warm & welcoming community of.................. SWINGING HEAVEN biggrin
I'm more at the bi-curious stage I guess, given that I've not had sex with another man (yet!:twisted: ), but it's something I've heard about from several different sources. I think you've got a point HungryP - SH is one place where there's total freedom to be who you are. And that's not just sexually either. Big up for SH!
rainbows, that's a pretty damn interesting and relevant quote . . .
maybe the most interesting thing is the ((( sometimes ))) fairly vehement attitudes of the gay community. i try not to generalise, but i find it a tad strange that those who've had to struggle with their own sexuality, and the often bigotted atitudes of others, should sometimes display the same kind of narrow mindedness. i know full well that it's political, and draws on all kinds of other issues, but still it's kinda sad that a community that demands acceptance of their sexuality should occasionally be a tad narrow minded about others choices? just IMHO ok?
i've often heard the argument that straight is straight, gay is gay, but those in between are just pervs trying to have their cake and eat it and double their chances for a fuck? WTF? and yeah sometimes that attitude comes from gay men too.
i genuinely can't say if i'm bi or not. i know i've had a good few years of wondering if i really am "that poof" that others have called me, and still do? and I struggle with it cos i know as far as relationships go, i'm straight? i'm maybe somewhere on the bi-cur/bi border, and what i really love about SH is that, here at least, i'm allowed to be whatever i choose to be! biggrin IRL, it's a touch more difficult? i certainly haven't worked it out yet, so anyone else that tries to tell me what i can and can't be can go . . . walk away quietly . . . . ;)
n x x x ;)
I've had no problems with anyone I've told that I'm bi.
Maybe I'm lucky? dunno
Seems to me that a lot of women prefer bi men. We're more in touch with our feminine side and so more sensitive to a woman's needs, so it seems!
biggrin :D :D :D
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........ and what i really love about SH is that, here at least, i'm allowed to be whatever i choose to be! biggrin IRL, it's a touch more difficult? i certainly haven't worked it out yet, so anyone else that tries to tell me what i can and can't be can go . . . walk away quietly . . . . ;)
n x x x ;)

Neil, I related to the last bit of your reply.
On the surface of things outside of SH towers, I am straight, I like sex, I am seen as a sexual person and a flirt. I choose who I tell about my other life style and preferences very carefully, as I do fear the social stigma. I don't want to find myself in the postition where people I've been friends with for years reject me for being "odd" or "not normal". It begs the question, well if they think like that after all those years are they really your friends? It is something I have pondered for a while on many occasions.
One of my long standing friends from college is convinced I'm a closet lesbian and will "come out" any day, week, month or year from now! lol I find this amusing now as I know I could never settle and be in love with a woman. Although I enjoy being bisexual, I am unsure as to how I will feel about it in years to come.
I do feel I have a place to be where my sexuality is accepted and embraced, that is here, Swinging Heaven. I feel that I could stand from the rooftops and scream :
<<<<<<<"I'm Bisexual!" >>>>>>>>
that the folk here would simply say, oh, right ok then, and treat me the same as they always did. Nieve, maybe....... but it is the ideal I strive for in everyday life without having to play straight, be a lesbian or be branded as a "have my cake and eat it" kind of person.
kiss
thanks for bringing it up rainbows. x
Quote by Rainbows
Having recently come across this on the internet - I thought I would post it here and get some feeling for the experiences/views of you bunch of retrobates.
Personally I believe that it is more difficult to "fit in" as bi-sexual. I have seen, first hand, the stigma attached to bisexuality in the gay world. Something that has always pissed me off about the community I live my life in. And yes - it is one of the reasons I continue to wear my lesbian badge/label - call it what you will.
I know there are a lot of bi people on here (and some that may identify as straight or gay, but have considered the idea of a different/same sex), so I, for one, would be interested in your thoughts.
Bisexuals suffer more from social isolation
Many bisexual people complain that they feel like outsiders in both the straight and gay/lesbian worlds, and that they can’t fit in anywhere, feeling isolated and confused. Studies have shown that bisexual people suffer from social isolation even more than gay men or lesbians because they lack any community where they can find acceptance and role models.
Many gay men feel that bisexual men are really gay, that they are just in denial about being gay, and that they should “just get over  Many straight men are homophobic and hate and fear both bisexual and gay men, often victimising them with harassment and physical violence.
Many straight women reject bisexual men out of misguided fears that they have Aids and admonish them to “stop sitting on the fence and make up their minds”. Bisexual women are often distrusted by lesbians for “sleeping with the enemy,” hanging onto heterosexual privileges through relationships with men and betraying their allegiance to women and feminism. Straight women often reject bisexual women out of fear they will make sexual overtures and try to “convert” them to being bisexual.

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MikeNorth - flipa lol
For me personally, I can stand in a pub full of heterosexual men and be accepted as a 'normal' guy..... I can also stand in a pub full of bisexual/gay ppl and be accepted for whatI am.
The insecurity lies in the individual concerned as to whether its important to be accepted or not.... fuck 'em!!!is what I say.... take me for who I am or get stuffed!
ive not had any problems,sure when people find out you get the odd piss take but in general most are like "oh your bi ok" and thats it.
now when i tell people im a transvestite i get"er thats disgusting" or "are you a peodofile" or "you must be a rapest" or i get called and have been called "freak,wierdo,etc"
and in the gay community queens hate tvs and lesbians hate tvs.
i cant work it out :confused:
Yep - would agree, rainbows. Most bi peeps I know or have known (male and female) only admit to being bi to very close friends or if the situation demands it!
It's easy to say, well that's the insecurity of the individual, but there's not the same generally recognised support network that there is for hetero or gay peeps. If you're going to be constantly attacked for your ambience (sexual, religious, vegan, whatever) then you may choose to keep quiet about it. You don;t owe 'the truth' to folk who throw sticks and stones - it's none of their business.
(Personally I don't think it's any of my business what someone else's sexual preferences are unless a) they want to tell me or b) one or both of us is thinking about shagging)
I am a lucky turd in that I tend to get away with anything and everything, in my life. I have no problems with being Bi and letting it be known. My gay g/f's and my straight g/f's do not seem to have any issues. Well, not to my face. God knows what they all think/say when I am not there. I, for one, don't give a damn.
I am slowly admitting to people that I am bi but it's difficult to know who will criticise and who will just say 'oh ok'. I have one straight female friend who takes the 'bisexuals should make their bloody minds up' opinion and a gay male friend who hates TVs so much he even dumped a bf because he discovered that he worked as a drag artist!
I can't understand the attitudes either. Especially as many gay people have such a hard time coming out and coping with bigotry, why do some of them then criticise others for their particular preferences??
It worries me that some friends who I have known a long time will change their opinion of me just on the fact that I now admit I am bi. It annoys me that they can suddenly believe that I am going to try and have sex with them, despite the fact that I have been me all along and never done it before. But in the main, I haven't had too many shocked faces from it, more from the swinging side of my confessions, and most of that followed with curious questions and amazement because my friends wouldn't or couldn't be so adventurous.
I have not had any problems about being bi. Most people I know respect it. The only negatives I have encountered are in the swinging world with all the macho blokes who think its ok for the girls to do it to each but oh my god not two guys rolleyes lol
Having read all the Posts on this subject >>>> Bi-Sexual men Blah blah and its attached Stigma involved ........ i say Hats off to niel in leeds who we both met @ a much , and is a thourougly pleasent type, we have also met tipical Straight Homaphobic fookers, mainly men in a cpl relationship..... and to be honest would prefer to have a laff and a honest giggle with the alledged Bi guys .......... just because we are friendly with bi-cpls dont make us Bi just more accepting i think
we have friends who fly planes too that dont make us PILOTS i hope lol
im summing up there seems to be a lot of scared ppl in the scene who themselves are scary by there actions
end of soap box speech :0)
steve n debs :shock: smile rolleyes
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I have not had any problems about being bi. Most people I know respect it. The only negatives I have encountered are in the swinging world with all the macho blokes who think its ok for the girls to do it to each but oh my god not two guys rolleyes lol

I think it would be fair to say that there are some 'macho' blokes but it would also be fair to acknowledge that there are also men who are NOT being macho, they just aren't bi but still like to see two females having sex. Not all straight guys refuse to talk or play with bi men, you know. Admittedly, it makes some men uncomfortable, yes, but that doesn't make them 'macho' or homophobic.
Bev
xx
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take me for who I am or get stuffed!

I agree %110 with you, I am straight, have been since I stared exploring sex, yet I am pretty sure there is a little of me thats bi-cur. one day I will explore that side of me, today tomorrow next year, who knows. But I cant ever be phobic about it, or say "you are wierd" to anybody because of their tastes, (unless its a peado in which case everybody knows what happens) gay, straight, lesbian, bi, so what, thats just a tag. If you like the person, then accept them for as they are, dont try to "cure their illness" because thats not being a friend, accept them.
Acceptance is the hardest thing to find anywhere, those who accept you for what you are are the people who will be the strongest friends in future. I am lucky I suppose, my family and close friends are very "liberated" because they accept people as people, non racist, sexist or any other "ist" for that matter, and that was how I was raised, the same way I have tried to raise my kids.
If I need help, I dont care if you are black, white, bent as a 9 bob note or straight as a die, same with friends. If acceptance of a person was more widespread then the world would be a happier place, in truth I pity those who cannot accept anything that differs from the norm.
A persons sexual orientation is nothing, its the person themself that counts
Why don`t they make their own community just like everyone else?
Venusxxx
That quote made so much sense, Rainbows!!
Having gone from being a 'lesbian' and fitting in with that lifestyle, the moment it emerged that I was in fact (OMG) bisexual.. I suddenly lost a lot of people I thought were friends.. Now this didn't really bother me too much, because people like that aren't worth getting upset over. What I did miss was my nights out, I could no longer go somewhere and feel comfortable with who I am. If I carried on going to the village, I was outcast unless I carried on the pretense that I was a lesbian, and in straight clubs I had to pretend I was straight confused
Where's all the 'bisexual' hotspots eh? lol
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take me for who I am or get stuffed!

I agree %110 with you, I am straight, have been since I stared exploring sex, yet I am pretty sure there is a little of me thats bi-cur. one day I will explore that side of me, today tomorrow next year, who knows. But I cant ever be phobic about it, or say "you are wierd" to anybody because of their tastes, (unless its a peado in which case everybody knows what happens) gay, straight, lesbian, bi, so what, thats just a tag. If you like the person, then accept them for as they are, dont try to "cure their illness" because thats not being a friend, accept them.
Acceptance is the hardest thing to find anywhere, those who accept you for what you are are the people who will be the strongest friends in future. I am lucky I suppose, my family and close friends are very "liberated" because they accept people as people, non racist, sexist or any other "ist" for that matter, and that was how I was raised, the same way I have tried to raise my kids.
If I need help, I dont care if you are black, white, bent as a 9 bob note or straight as a die, same with friends. If acceptance of a person was more widespread then the world would be a happier place, in truth I pity those who cannot accept anything that differs from the norm.
A persons sexual orientation is nothing, its the person themself that counts
Forgive the thread hijack here, your apology thread aside, this is the most hypocritical turnaround I've seen in ages!! How dare you hound "married-but-cheating" people one day and spout live and let live the next!! In all the time I have been on this site I have never had recourse to respond in this way - but I'm incensed by this! Was your awakening from petty small mindedness really such an epiphany yesterday?
It is curious how so many people become polarised over the straight/bisexual/gay. Not so much along the lines of 'What are you?' - more around how you are supposed to react to others.
Like football - To be a true Arsenal fan, you have to hate Manchester United, and vice versa.
Wo betide the Arsenal fan sitting in his local pub saying "Well, I am gutted we were knocked out of the European cup, but now we are, I would really like Manchester United to go on and win it now!" Burn the heretic!
Fortunately, an attitude that only a minority display.
lhk
Kat
Quote by Ghostie
take me for who I am or get stuffed!

I agree %110 with you, I am straight, have been since I stared exploring sex, yet I am pretty sure there is a little of me thats bi-cur. one day I will explore that side of me, today tomorrow next year, who knows. But I cant ever be phobic about it, or say "you are wierd" to anybody because of their tastes, (unless its a peado in which case everybody knows what happens) gay, straight, lesbian, bi, so what, thats just a tag. If you like the person, then accept them for as they are, dont try to "cure their illness" because thats not being a friend, accept them.
Acceptance is the hardest thing to find anywhere, those who accept you for what you are are the people who will be the strongest friends in future. I am lucky I suppose, my family and close friends are very "liberated" because they accept people as people, non racist, sexist or any other "ist" for that matter, and that was how I was raised, the same way I have tried to raise my kids.
If I need help, I dont care if you are black, white, bent as a 9 bob note or straight as a die, same with friends. If acceptance of a person was more widespread then the world would be a happier place, in truth I pity those who cannot accept anything that differs from the norm.
A persons sexual orientation is nothing, its the person themself that counts
Forgive the thread hijack here, your apology thread aside, this is the most hypocritical turnaround I've seen in ages!! How dare you hound "married-but-cheating" people one day and spout live and let live the next!! In all the time I have been on this site I have never had recourse to respond in this way - but I'm incensed by this! Was your awakening from petty small mindedness really such an epiphany yesterday?
Ghostie, sexual orientation is completely different to the moral issue of married men cheating. This was probably the distinction kristoff was going by.
Venusxxx (not debating the dynamics of something already apologised for at all wink )
Quote by VenusnMars
take me for who I am or get stuffed!

I agree %110 with you, I am straight, have been since I stared exploring sex, yet I am pretty sure there is a little of me thats bi-cur. one day I will explore that side of me, today tomorrow next year, who knows. But I cant ever be phobic about it, or say "you are wierd" to anybody because of their tastes, (unless its a peado in which case everybody knows what happens) gay, straight, lesbian, bi, so what, thats just a tag. If you like the person, then accept them for as they are, dont try to "cure their illness" because thats not being a friend, accept them.
Acceptance is the hardest thing to find anywhere, those who accept you for what you are are the people who will be the strongest friends in future. I am lucky I suppose, my family and close friends are very "liberated" because they accept people as people, non racist, sexist or any other "ist" for that matter, and that was how I was raised, the same way I have tried to raise my kids.
If I need help, I dont care if you are black, white, bent as a 9 bob note or straight as a die, same with friends. If acceptance of a person was more widespread then the world would be a happier place, in truth I pity those who cannot accept anything that differs from the norm.
A persons sexual orientation is nothing, its the person themself that counts
Forgive the thread hijack here, your apology thread aside, this is the most hypocritical turnaround I've seen in ages!! How dare you hound "married-but-cheating" people one day and spout live and let live the next!! In all the time I have been on this site I have never had recourse to respond in this way - but I'm incensed by this! Was your awakening from petty small mindedness really such an epiphany yesterday?
Ghostie, sexual orientation is completely different to the moral issue of married men cheating. This was probably the distinction kristoff was going by.
Venusxxx (not debating the dynamics of something already apologised for at all wink )
And I agree with you Venus - they do differ - it was this part (amongst others!) that inflamed!
"...If acceptance of a person was more widespread then the world would be a happier place, in truth I pity those who cannot accept anything that differs from the norm"
Ah, ok, I was just going by the bit which was highlighted. (cos I`m lazy like that wink)
Venusxxx
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Ah, ok, I was just going by the bit which was highlighted. (cos I`m lazy like that wink)
Venusxxx

Not lazy at all! Thanks for pointing that out - I have edited accordingly!
I think that bit was highlighted in Kristof's original post Venus. Just stayed like that when Ghostie quoted it.
Bev
xx
Ah, but Ghostie, isn`t intolerance toward certain moralities or lack thereof........
Awwwwww fuckit, can`t be arsed to play devil`s advocate today! :giggle: wink
Venusxxx
Quote by freckledbird
I have not had any problems about being bi. Most people I know respect it. The only negatives I have encountered are in the swinging world with all the macho blokes who think its ok for the girls to do it to each but oh my god not two guys rolleyes lol

I think it would be fair to say that there are some 'macho' blokes but it would also be fair to acknowledge that there are also men who are NOT being macho, they just aren't bi but still like to see two females having sex. Not all straight guys refuse to talk or play with bi men, you know. Admittedly, it makes some men uncomfortable, yes, but that doesn't make them 'macho' or homophobic.
Bev
xx
I think what I mean't to say is a lot of guys I have met expect the women to be bi and quite often they are not and are doing it just for their partners sake.I just find it really hypocritical. My wife actualy thinks there are very few bi women out there. She can tell you know :lol: Straight guys I have spoken to nearly always recoil in horror if I say I am bi. I actualy use it now if we are talking to a couple and we are not interested just to get out of the situation :lol:
I think what I mean't to say is a lot of guys I have met expect the women to be bi and quite often they are not and are doing it just for their partners sake.I just find it really hypocritical. My wife actualy thinks there are very few bi women out there. She can tell you know Straight guys I have spoken to nearly always recoil in horror if I say I am bi. I actualy use it now if we are talking to a couple and we are not interested just to get out of the situation

Yeah I find they kind of give themselves away when they start to lick my pussy lol
Bev
xx
Quote by VenusnMars
Ah, but Ghostie, isn`t intolorance toward certain moralities or lack thereof........
Awwwwww fuckit, can`t be arsed to play devil`s advocate today! :giggle: wink
Venusxxx

Yes it is! Guilty as Charged M'lud redface
I should point out that my outburst has been fuelled not only by Kristofs post, but by many others too. am I the only one who thinks it's hypocrisy to be witch hunting "cheats" and having a poll in which 66% of the respondents admit to cheating?
Kristof - This is nothing personal, I agree with every word of your post in this thread and applaud you for it. It's been a tough week in which I have had to seriously consider my membership here. This was simply the catalyst. </flame> </hijack>
<---------------- Is that better Scandal?!
/Jumps into thick skin
Venusxxx