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GRRRRRR. I was just having a nice chat with Clare and Steve about munches when something came up that made me REALLY angry!!!! banghead
From what i gather the next Mini Much has been cancelled. Fair enough, very sad but there must have been a reason???? Was there ever a bloody reason!! The next Mini Munch has been cancelled BECAUSE THE OWNERS DONT WANT TO HOLD PARTIES FOR "PEOPLE LIKE US ANYMORE!!!" :banghead:
Well, is that a label OR WHAT!!!!!! As i said to Clare and Steve, it's ok for teenage girls to go out and sleep around and get pregnant willy nilly, but a group of mature, well adjusted adults cant hold parties to meet like minded friends?????????????????
Am i the only one who finds that totally unacceptable????
Thats not very good at all! Hope its not going to start a trend. Has someone behaved badly at a previous engagement? or is the establishment plain and simply discriminating?
Well said Lou,bloody annoying for us more than anything!!! mad :x
Anyone else fancy doing one in the mids?????
But back to the point yeah its frustrating but leave the small minded people in their own sad little world rolleyes
Clare,xxx
wink
It's discrimination from people with closed minds in my opinion.
'People like us' - do we have 2 heads or go around shooting people NO!!!!
We are adults with our minds set on what we want & desire.
I agree TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE.
The WHOOSH Man
I know - it was like the time i went to Astoria (i think) in London, and they wouldnt let me and 2 of my friends in "because we didnt look gay or lesbian". Oh sorry - i didnt know you needed a Gay Passport!!!!!
Anyway - i digress. I think it's disgusting, its not as if what we do is sick or forced on people. What about members like Easy????? "Shameless Flirt - and thats it, sorry". He might go to a munch to meet people off the site he's become friendly with. Not even a "Full Swinger" as it were - but tarred with the same brush!! (For want of a better way to put it.)
grrrrrrrrrr. i could spit blood!!!!!
Secrecy is always the best policy. You could have been an O.U. study group having an end of term bash.
Nothing naughty happens at a Munch, so why publicise it's a swingers meet and then be faced with having to justify your lifestyle?
rolleyes
One way to solve it Heather. Discimination isn't nice but why should we hide?
Quote by Heather
Secrecy is always the best policy. You could have been an O.U. study group having an end of term bash.
Nothing naughty happens at a Munch, so why publicise it's a swingers meet and then be faced with having to justify your lifestyle?
rolleyes

Good Point - i dont actually know the ins and outs of who organised it and what was said to the organisers about it, but the point still remains that swingers should be judged by what we do!!! Do they discriminate against disabled people??? Or what about people like Sikhs who need to pray 5 times a day?? "People like that" have a different lifestyle but they wouldnt say they couldnt have a party at the hotel would they???????
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"because we didnt look gay or lesbian"

Next they will be saying:
Here please wear this badge ....
'Gay'
'Lesbian'
'Straight'
But instead of 'Swingers' we'll have 'Somewere in between'
The WHOOSH Man
CG26M
Why should we hide? Well, it depends on how your freedoms weigh up against your privacy, doesn't it?
I seem to recall you and I have been the victims, of one form or another, of people who are less than discrete. So would you like to stand tall and proud and become Swinging's avenging angel and put the vanilla's to rights and state our case?
Personally, I'd much rather have a quiet shag and let the numptys try to shut above my howls of sexual ecstacy...
That is bloody annoying! mad
But I must admit that I thoroughly enjoyed the "because we didnt look gay or lesbian" comment - LOL! Hmm, I'm wondering now if I "look" bi-?!
Gotta say that I am quite impressed with the people in our little village, though. Vix & I are quite open about our sexual orientation and lifestyle and, although we're frequently the topic of gossip in our local pub (our own fault, really, because we're not quiet about our experiences), no one seems to have a problem with us and all are very accepting. I wouldn't have expected that of rural Somerset, but there you go!
~Reese! surprised
Reece,
Thats prolly because they are all smashed on the local SCRUMPY, that you all partake in down there.
The WHOOSH Man
Reese - I'm 100% serious!! there were 5 of us, and 3 of us got turned away because half your group has to be gay and... "You dont look gay - and neither does she" at which point my other friend walked away with the hump. Ok, so i'm bi - but that still qualifies me for entry!!!!
My point is though - why should people be subjected to labels? what right does an establishment have to turn people away because they dont look like the sort of clientele thay want??
SlydeWHOOSH: Ah, see you've been to Somerset, then! :P
dazandlou: You should've all just started some same-sex snogging to convince them otherwise! biggrin
Seriously, it's just totally wrong for anyone to judge you based upon misguided stereotypes, which are often grossly inaccurate to begin with! I had a lot of gay friends growing up, and none of them fit into the common preconception.
I had a good line during Vix & my visit to Amsterdam, though. We were wandering the streets of the "red light" district, just taking in the sights and watching all of the beautiful people when, suddenly, I grabbed hold of Vix, pointed and exclaimed: "Look!! A mixed-sex couple!" wink
This thread brought back fond memories of living in Newcastle - snogged many a person on the steps of nightclubs in the Pink Triangle in order to get friends in for a bit of a boogie. LOL
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This thread brought back fond memories of living in Newcastle - snogged many a person on the steps of nightclubs in the Pink Triangle in order to get friends in for a bit of a boogie. LOL

people still do that here........
it is sad that in this that in this day and age, where racial and religious descrimination is rightly frowned upon, you can still be caught up on the grounds of sexuality... not really surprising since sex for some in the u.k is still a subject....
Daz and Lou wrote:
From what i gather the next Mini Munch has been cancelled. Fair enough, very sad but there must have been a reason????

Hold on to your horses before you jump to conclusions, Daz and Lou. I was there, and I just don't believe that the management are reluctant to welcome us again purely because we are swingers. There was a lot of noise late into the night, no, not that noise, well, some of that as well, but there were people arguing at the tops of their voices as well. I would like to hear from Helen,who got the "no" response when she enquired about holding the next one, or from Marcuso, who arranged the last one and claimed to know the motel owners, before leaping to general conclusions about society. Anyone got any more specific info on the management's attitude after the last mini-munch?
Mike.
Quote by dazandlou
Reese - I'm 100% serious!! there were 5 of us, and 3 of us got turned away because half your group has to be gay and... "You dont look gay - and neither does she" at which point my other friend walked away with the hump. Ok, so i'm bi - but that still qualifies me for entry!!!!

How the hell does anyone "look gay"?
It's completely absurd. Were they expeecting everyone to look like Martina or Graham Norton? You would think gay bars and the like wouldn't suffer from those sorts of prejudiced stereotypes.
the reason that has been given is "there was a complaint from a regular customer who was using the resteraunt, the manger is aware of what type of party it was.. and they do not wish to hold another"
Quote by MikeNorth
Daz and Lou wrote:From what i gather the next Mini Munch has been cancelled. Fair enough, very sad but there must have been a reason????

Hold on to your horses before you jump to conclusions, Daz and Lou. I was there, and I just don't believe that the management are reluctant to welcome us again purely because we are swingers. There was a lot of noise late into the night, no, not that noise, well, some of that as well, but there were people arguing at the tops of their voices as well. I would like to hear from Helen,who got the "no" response when she enquired about holding the next one, or from Marcuso, who arranged the last one and claimed to know the motel owners, before leaping to general conclusions about society. Anyone got any more specific info on the management's attitude after the last mini-munch?
Mike.
Godammit!! Theres always someone who shoots the messenger!!!! lol
See what i mean though..... Fair nuff there was a complaint from a regular customer, but would that have necessarily stopped the manager from allowing someone else - say, a bowls team - to hold another party there???????
Quote by dazandlou
. . . . . what right does an establishment have to turn people away because they don't look like the sort of clientele thay want??

I'm afraid dazandlou, you have actually asked the only really relevant question.
Any establishment and in particular licenced premises have that right.
PLEASE. Do not misunderstand me. I am no fan of place in question. It is very local to me (4 miles). Before CA and I split up we stayed there on a "Valentines Special" It wouldn't be productive to expand on why we would not go there again, although I can see the funny side now of restaurant staff having never heard of Dijon mustard :rolleyes:
But and here's the rub. It is after all, a commercial operation.
I'm fairly sure there are a number of self employed to company directors within this community. Of them, I ask this question. Would you risk alienating your existing, regular client base that provides your bread and butter year on year; for the sake of the cream of an income generated from the occasional munch/party? And as most of us might agree -society is not yet ready to embrace or accept the Swingers' ways
On a lighter note. CA and I laughed out loud (with some irony)when I told her I was going there for the last Minimunch.
Godammit!! Theres always someone who shoots the messenger!!!!

Pardon?
Quote by MikeNorth
Godammit!! Theres always someone who shoots the messenger!!!!

Pardon?
Granted!! rotflmao
i have to say.. in MY humble opinion.. the complaint from the ONE customer in the resteraunt was less to do with it that the "AWARE of what type of party it is" has!
Granted!!

(grunted)
lol :lol:
Mike.
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i have to say.. in MY humble opinion.. the complaint from the ONE customer in the resteraunt was less to do with it that the "AWARE of what type of party it is" has!

EXACTLY!!!!!! That proves my point. if he'd been aware that it was a bowls team creating noise, would he have been so reluctant to refuse another party????
Mike, are you being sarcastic hunny??????? kiss
Kent Host and I were at the last said Motel Munch as well...
I gather the staff were told it was a fortieth birthday party.
We did hear one very upset, and dare I say 'tiddly', couple arguing outside our room late in the night. It was very obvious what the topic of their row was.
Hand on heart, if I'd been running that Motel I'd have been in two minds about another one as well...
oooh heather.. i was in the room next to u.. but mike snores.. so i nver heard anything!!!
rolleyes lol
if it wasnt for that.. i too would have heard the row.. :twisted: it heardly seems fair that i miss the gossip.. so care to enlighten me? lol lolololololololololol
I would just like to add to this thread with the following comment.
I work away from home and stay in a hotel in Dover through the week. This hotel is independantly owned although it is associated to a well known brand name which helps them get centralised bookings, despite this they struggle like many hotels these days.
As well as me, there are about five or six other colleagues of mine that also use the place, alongside this there are ad hoc guests of our company that are also booked in there. The total revenue that the hotel gets from just our business, is in excess of £60,000 per year and as such we are a very significant customer. If I or one of my colleagues were to complain and that complaint threatened the hotels ability to retain our business then it would be in real trouble and I am willing to bet, would do all they could to prevent the chance of a repeat complaint on the same grounds.
A party in a hotel is an excellent revenue source and a much needed one however, if regular customers that have the spend that we do, were to complain then any hotel would need to look at wether or not that group were allowed back in again.
I doubt that the hotels reason for refusing a second booking, was because of the groups interest, hotels are closing weekly and any revenue source is welcomed. I would suspect that they do not want to risk upsetting their regulars, by having back a group that generated a previous complaint, using the 'once bitten twice shy, judgement.
I wasn't there and have no idea how boisterous your party was and have no wish to become emborilled in any argument as to the rights and wrongs, but have to say that if I were a venue owner and any group created a disturbance that generated complaint, I would seriously consider the position with regard as to if I had the group back. Not on the grounds of who they are, but simply on the grounds that the group were unable to behave in an appropriate manner, with consideration shown to other customers or guests. Your group may well have been perfectly behaved, I have no idea but I just wanted to make the point as a generalisation.