can straight men catch HIV?

30 Mar 2009

Quote by duncanlondon
Well before launching into the usual SH condemnation of someone, it might be worth considering that; the clinics are regularly full of people who are being tested. Presumably they have symptoms or have had unprotected sex.

I don't think it's the 'usual' condemnation, it's people commenting on the OP's attitude towards a very very serious virus.
Not everyone attends a GUM clinic with symptoms or because they've had unprotected sex, the majority of people attend for 'Asymptomatic' screening, meaning they show no signs of infection but want a clean bill of health for their own peace of mind. You have to remember you can actually catch STI's orally as well as by having full unprotected sex.
I still maintain that if the OP is not winding us all up, it's a very irresponsible attitude he's taking with his life, and others'.

30 Mar 2009

heres a question for the thread starter? have you ever actually been tested for HIV? if not how do you know you hav'nt already got it? if yes, why get tested for something your so sure you as a straight male can't catch? ;)

30 Mar 2009

Quote by naughtynymphos1
heres a question for the thread starter? have you ever actually been tested for HIV? if not how do you know you hav'nt already got it? if yes, why get tested for something your so sure you as a straight male can't catch? ;)

He actually said he did in his first posting.

30 Mar 2009

Quote by brucie
the reaction i expected.
yes my OP was intentionally provocative, but i think most of you are missing the point.
i ride a motorbike. that is far riskier than unprotected sex.
im not saying thereisnt a risk, but im saying teh stigma around that risk has blown it out of all proportion in society and especially in this environment.

I cross the road every day. I look both ways first. rolleyes

I'm not sure what the purpose of your thread was, perhaps I am missing your highly intelligent point, but I can live with that and I'll continue to have safe sex and avoid, where possible, the people who don't.
You look after you and I'll look after me. :thumbup:
EDIT: And if someone doesn't fix that gremlin like bit at the start of everyone's posts I'm going to twitch myself out of here. mad

30 Mar 2009

Quote by brucie
the reaction i expected.
yes my OP was intentionally provocative, but i think most of you are missing the point.
i ride a motorbike. that is far riskier than unprotected sex.
im not saying thereisnt a risk, but im saying teh stigma around that risk has blown it out of all proportion in society and especially in this environment.

maybe thats true but hence thats why we have to wear crash helmets, who knows maybe in the future it will be law to wear a condom.(errrmmm april 1st is just around the corner, i wonder???)

30 Mar 2009

Quote by Melting_pot

even the doc said you would have had to have been very very unlucky even with your history...

actually this phrase should have made us all aware that is was indeed a wind up
what doctor would ever say such an idiotic thing and reassure a client who's having random unprotected sex that doing so is the right thing to do and quite low risk?
The idiotic, 100-year-old GP who has an alcohol problem which is being ignored due to the fact that he's due to retire next year?
I kid you not. :shock:

Quote by brucie
the reaction i expected.
yes my OP was intentionally provocative, but i think most of you are missing the point.
i ride a motorbike. that is far riskier than unprotected sex.
im not saying thereisnt a risk, but im saying teh stigma around that risk has blown it out of all proportion in society and especially in this environment.

Is this your personal perception or do you have some statistics for us to look at?
What's your opinion about car drivers? Most of the bikers I know think that some are wankers that need banning because their ignorance of bikers and cavalier attitude to driving makes them a hazard that puts others at extreme risk.

30 Mar 2009

So surprising to find posters being villified judged and condemned.
I think the risks of acquiring HIV through vaginal intercourse with european women must be slight. If they were not the life insurance companys would ask the question which they do not. They do ask about drug users/geography/homosexuality.

30 Mar 2009

Quote by benrums0n
So surprising to find posters being villified judged and condemned.

How can you EVEN think this, let alone say it on a site of this nature? confused

30 Mar 2009

30 Mar 2009

Quote by brucie
the reaction i expected.
yes my OP was intentionally provocative, but i think most of you are missing the point.
i ride a motorbike. that is far riskier than unprotected sex.
im not saying thereisnt a risk, but im saying teh stigma around that risk has blown it out of all proportion in society and especially in this environment.

if there wasn't a stigma around it, everyone would go around having unprotected sex with whomever they pleased, and it WOULD become a problem. it's only NOT a problem because people are aware of the risk and most people take precautions to prevent it. if everyone behaved in the reckless way that you are, then it would be far more prevalent.

30 Mar 2009

Quote by benrums0n
So surprising to find posters being villified judged and condemned.
I think the risks of acquiring HIV through vaginal intercourse with european women must be slight. If they were not the life insurance companys would ask the question which they do not. They do ask about drug users/geography/homosexuality.

Stop jumping on the band waggon with your usual 'condemned posters' routine.
I think you need to research a little more into HIV and other STI's before posting again, you started your answer with 'I think', the chances are actually more than slight.
For the record, some Life Insurance AND Mortgage companies still have tight guidelines towards HIV I'm afraid, AND yes they do ask about sexuality AND they seek a report from your Doctors, so if you were a Drug user that would most probably be found out also.
What has changed is that if you take a HIV test and you are negative, that doesn't spoil your chances of LA or a Mortgage, 10 years ago it did.

30 Mar 2009

Quote by Squiffs
the reaction i expected.
yes my OP was intentionally provocative, but i think most of you are missing the point.
i ride a motorbike. that is far riskier than unprotected sex.
im not saying thereisnt a risk, but im saying teh stigma around that risk has blown it out of all proportion in society and especially in this environment.

if there wasn't a stigma around it, everyone would go around having unprotected sex with whomever they pleased, and it WOULD become a problem. it's only NOT a problem because people are aware of the risk and most people take precautions to prevent it. if everyone behaved in the reckless way that you are, then it would be far more prevalent.
very true..squiffs
brucie..tell me..do you go out on your bike pissed or stoned, in the rain, without a helmet and do you do wheelies at 70mph with the gale blowing?
or do you think that to do so you'd have to have a death wish and prefer to act as a sensible driver and play it safe?
I hope I don't have to spell out the analogy

30 Mar 2009

"They do community plays about AIDS in schools and community halls and they are well-attended with people from infants to seniors. It's a hard sell in a country where many men believe that the only way to get rid of AIDS is to have sex with a virgin."

And how many believe that here ?
And how many people that are hiv positive (and know) care about other people ?
It only takes one guy to have had (unprotected) sex with your new girl for you to have your life ruined.
Ratio of infection:
1 in 10 for men.
9 in 10 for women.
There is no cure for hiv.
There is no cure for hepatitis C.
There is no vaccine for either of the above.
Given the variations between different strains of the virus, and its mode of attack, there would seem little chance of an effective vaccine for hiv for some considerable time. If ever.

30 Mar 2009

Quote by brucie
the reaction i expected.
yes my OP was intentionally provocative, but i think most of you are missing the point.
i ride a motorbike. that is far riskier than unprotected sex.
im not saying thereisnt a risk, but im saying teh stigma around that risk has blown it out of all proportion in society and especially in this environment.

Hehe - if you invite me to ride pillion then I'll not bother to wear a condom - that's OK.
I just love non sequiturs.
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30 Mar 2009

I'll throw in one more...
since you make the assumption straight men have statistically less chances of getting HIV...(btw, the assumption is in fact wrong as is reported in the included links)
say you meet a perfectly healthy looking, non addicted girl
say that about a week before meeting you, she has had drunken sex with someone else..maybe someone she did not even know
and say that that person is bi..or in a partnership with a drugs addict or maybe a perfectly clean ex con, who's had a nasty encounter whilst in jail... and has had sex with whichever of the above options you choose
still so sure about your chances?
I don't want to scare anybody, but I suggest a thorough reading of the following links:
the main page

uk statistics.

it appears that since before the year 2000, the number of yearly HIV positive diagnoses resulted from straight intercourse is actually higher than that due to intercourse between men
yes, the mortality has fallen drastically, but that's only and simply because now we have better drugs that can delay, I repeat DELAY, the effects of HIV developing in full blown AIDS. it is still true that once you've got it you're fucked.
the above is also confirmed here:

furthermore, if you have a look at the other links you'll find in the homepage, you'll discover that the number of black males that have been diagnosed is equal to that of white males..even though about one male in 100 is black, and 90% of the male population is white. (sorry girls, apparently "going black" can be quite risky)
also, sadly, the number of HIV infected women is very much on the rise
right..now I'm depressed sad

still..better depressed with a condom in my pocket, than jolly and without.

30 Mar 2009

When you have unprotected sex, you are, in effect having sex with everyone your partner has had unprotected sex with, and everyone they have had unprotected sex with. Its like a pyramid. Just imagine the damage it can cause.
Dont be so bloody stupid, it baffles me how daft some people can be sometimes.
Goldsmith
xxx

30 Mar 2009

Quote by goldsmith
When you have unprotected sex, you are, in effect having sex with everyone your partner has had unprotected sex with, and everyone they have had unprotected sex with. Its like a pyramid.

you'll end up with a truckload of tupperware on your doorstep

31 Mar 2009

There's no such thinkg as a straight male. rolleyes

31 Mar 2009

Quote by fem_4_taboo
i know what hes doing is very sily and risky, but hes not actually forcing anyone to have sex with him without using a condom.
its his decision, and the decision of those he sleeps with. as long as he is being honest so the other party knows the weight of the risk.
we can all pounce on him, but hes entitled to do what he wants.
the fact he hasnt caught anything, and several people like him are probally playing the same way is reinforcing this attitude.
his post hilights what sadely alot of people are doing/thinking or else why would stds be on the rise?
yes his post may have caused a stir, but hey its bought the reality of stds back to the front of the minds of the dangerous players.
xx fem xx

I understand what you are saying and I would like to know if he sits down with every partner he has sex with and asks with whom thay had had unprotected sex with? And if he gives them chapter and verse on the number of partners he has had unprotected sex with.
And you are right that atleast this brings up the subject of STD's smile

31 Mar 2009

Quote by goldsmith
When you have unprotected sex, you are, in effect having sex with everyone your partner has had unprotected sex with, and everyone they have had unprotected sex with. Its like a pyramid. Just imagine the damage it can cause.
Dont be so bloody stupid, it baffles me how daft some people can be sometimes.
Goldsmith
xxx

that would make a mockery of a verification system...
unresistable and very naughty i know
staggy lol

:lol:

31 Mar 2009

Quote by The_third_man
i know what hes doing is very sily and risky, but hes not actually forcing anyone to have sex with him without using a condom.
its his decision, and the decision of those he sleeps with. as long as he is being honest so the other party knows the weight of the risk.
we can all pounce on him, but hes entitled to do what he wants.
the fact he hasnt caught anything, and several people like him are probally playing the same way is reinforcing this attitude.
his post hilights what sadely alot of people are doing/thinking or else why would stds be on the rise?
yes his post may have caused a stir, but hey its bought the reality of stds back to the front of the minds of the dangerous players.
xx fem xx

I understand what you are saying and I would like to know if he sits down with every partner he has sex with and asks with whom thay had had unprotected sex with? And if he gives them chapter and verse on the number of partners he has had unprotected sex with.
And you are right that atleast this brings up the subject of STD's smile

I agree with Third Man, Fem, the OP did ask the question 'why are people so hung up about safe sex?' ... that's the question being answered imo.

31 Mar 2009

i do think that is the question he asked and to a point has ben answered,
but there have also been the replys that have had a personal go at him, yes he may be stupid doing what he does, but he didnt ask am i a dick head risking my life having unprotected sex lol lol

can a straight man catch hiv from having unprotected sex? yes if she has hiv.
people can express their opinions,thats cool and i wouldnt expect pplnot to.
but his post like i said to me reflects the attitide of quite a few out there. scary but true.
and its good to see the issue hilighted, all be it in the wrong way lol
xx fem xx

31 Mar 2009

his post was intentionally provocative..said so himself
and the only reason I keep replying to it and to him in particular even though I know it's a windup (of course it still is even if he has replied..that's what trolls do to keep the fun rolling)...is that the subject does indeed neeed to be highlighted

31 Mar 2009

Its kind of weird how the arguments are being 'engineered' in this thread. In my opinion the op has come on to account his experiences, of what has happened in his life. I don't see him claiming to have forced or to have caused other people to have unprotected sex with him.
So I don't see that there is a careless attitude, by one person. The activities appear to have been consensual and mutual from all involved.
His main point which seems to have been overlooked or skillfully avoided, is that based on his experiences, enough people seem to be practising sex without protection. So is there a shift in opinion and do people feel that the 'fear' factor is less. Are people playing more savvy and recognising that they can do bareback when they are not taking a risk.
Is swinging falling behind in current sexual activities and attitudes? Is it stuck in the past? Are swingers likely to receive more flak than conventionals if they let slip they are going au naturel?
You see if people live in a fairly close community, and they more or less know who is going with who; which will include various bouts of adultery and partner dumping,, and they don't see aids happening, then what are they left to assume? That its probably safe to have unprotected sex.
Also if the amount of partner changing in the popular soaps is comparable with real life, then how many times do people stop to think about protection? its never mentioned on tv. And most youngsters get to see the soaps on a daily basis.

31 Mar 2009

I wont respond to the personal jibes directed at me other than to say grow up.
In comment on many of the replies to this thread, the emptiest vessels make the loudest noise as per usual. It beggars belief that regular forum posters are unable to distinguish between discussion and personal attack.

31 Mar 2009

Lmao this is an irresponsible attitude....you say 'none drug users' how dya know? yes it is difficult to catch but hey you can't get rid of that one with an embarrassing trip to the GUM clinic...
People get 'hung up' because there are still irresponsible people like you around...simple as
all you are doing is like any other punter down the bookies.....playing the numbers, and while you may have come out on top so far we all know the bookie always wins.....
make your own mind up

31 Mar 2009

Quote by benrums0n
I wont respond to the personal jibes directed at me other than to say grow up.
In comment on many of the replies to this thread, the emptiest vessels make the loudest noise as per usual. It beggars belief that regular forum posters are unable to distinguish between discussion and personal attack.

oh go on respond to them this forum is such fun when folk are arguing and it gets personal

31 Mar 2009

Quote by benrums0n
I wont respond to the personal jibes directed at me other than to say grow up.
In comment on many of the replies to this thread, the emptiest vessels make the loudest noise as per usual. It beggars belief that regular forum posters are unable to distinguish between discussion and personal attack.

No, but you'll send threatening PM's instead though won't you!
Grow up indeed.

31 Mar 2009

Quote by wild rose and the stag
I wont respond to the personal jibes directed at me other than to say grow up.
In comment on many of the replies to this thread, the emptiest vessels make the loudest noise as per usual. It beggars belief that regular forum posters are unable to distinguish between discussion and personal attack.

oh go on respond to them this forum is such fun when folk are arguing and it gets personal
He's talking about my reply to him on the other page Stag, rolleyes

Again I say, bleeting on about personal attacks (which of course I hadn't to him :roll: ) when actually personal attacks and threats via PM seem to be quite acceptable! :shock:

31 Mar 2009

Quote by brucie
i really dont want to live much past 60.

Hehe - say that when yer 60. Or are we talking about accruing IQ points here? wink

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