after watching a tv programe the other day i shocked to see how many people actually claiming disablement or incapacity benefit are actually fiddling the system by casual working..just thought id ask what everyones opinions of these people are..as for my opinion i think its disgusting that people can get high amounts of benefit and even cars and pay no rent and council tax while others have to struggle by...ur opinion???????
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Sex God
Its true there are a lot of dole cheats about...
They claim benefits and work and think its a big laugh..
There are some that are rightly claiming benefits and do a little work on the side because they cannot survive on the benefits they receive....
Is it because there are so many claiming falsely that we cannot afford to pay those who are entitled to it properly
Sorry to answer your question with a question
I think those that claim false benefits and work should be shopped and made to work for nothing untill they have paid back everything they have claimed....
They claim benefits and work and think its a big laugh..
There are some that are rightly claiming benefits and do a little work on the side because they cannot survive on the benefits they receive....
Is it because there are so many claiming falsely that we cannot afford to pay those who are entitled to it properly
Sorry to answer your question with a question
I think those that claim false benefits and work should be shopped and made to work for nothing untill they have paid back everything they have claimed....
Sex God
As long as it's declared, you are allowed to work less than 16 hours per week as well. I know someone who claims incapacity benefit who cannot do a full time job any longer due to the effects of an illness and the problems left from the operations to save his life. He's not totally on the scrap heap though so he works as much as possible to keep busy and active and it's fine with the DWP.
People who scam the system and do full time jobs or cash on the side work need a proper slapping though
People who scam the system and do full time jobs or cash on the side work need a proper slapping though
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after watching a tv programe the other day i shocked to see how many people actually claiming disablement or incapacity benefit are actually fiddling the system by casual working..just thought id ask what everyones opinions of these people are..as for my opinion i think its disgusting that people can get high amounts of benefit and even cars and pay no rent and council tax while others have to struggle by...ur opinion???????
This is a touchy subject but in the 80's there were far fewer people claiming this benefit. Now 20 years on and people are more healthier than they have ever been, the numbers claiming have almost trebled. :shock:
This is a quote I got today " More than 2.6 million people claim incapacity benefit at a cost of more than £12 billion a year to the taxpayer ".
However, Mr Freud suggested that less than a third may be credible recipients while several hundred thousand work illegally on the black market.
It is very easy to hoodwink your GP in saying you are unfit to work. There are genuine people out there who cannot work for sure and those people deserve this benefit. But there are many more who don't and I feel it is about time this benefit was looked at.
On Talk Sport radio there is a blind guy who gets to work there everyday. He has to take two trains and a bus. Now if this guy can get to work with his massive disabilities, then so can most others. Is it an arguement in a lot of cases... can't work...won't work?
The genuine claimants out there will have nothing to fear from the massive shake up to this benefit. If you really are entitled to it, you will get it.
Only my opinion of course.
This is a subject I could wax lyrical on for hours. When my late hubby became ill, we had one heck of a fight to get benefits, and he had worked 26 years, full time, and only one week off sick in all that time.
I am disabled now, but can't get ANY benefits, as I can walk farther than you are supposed to be able, although I do it very painfully. I have severe arthritis, and have trouble with severe pain, but I still don't qualify for anything, as I am not disabled enough. I have severe depression, and could be signed off for this, but I haven't been. I still care for three old ladies... I have to, or I don't eat, and I can't pay my bills. I earn just over what you need to earn to be entitled to anything....
There are SO many genuine cases out there, and when I worked at the Job Centre a few years ago, it used to drive me bananas to see the honest people getting a hard time, and the ones who were "swinging the lead" getting everything. And it does happen...
It is a difficult situation, but I do get upset when I can't get anything.. and the people in the house down my road - which number about 10 in one house, only one of which is working - get loads of money in benefits.. they are running two businesses from the house too.... Where is the justice?
If I didn't work though... I think I would go mad...
I am disabled now, but can't get ANY benefits, as I can walk farther than you are supposed to be able, although I do it very painfully. I have severe arthritis, and have trouble with severe pain, but I still don't qualify for anything, as I am not disabled enough. I have severe depression, and could be signed off for this, but I haven't been. I still care for three old ladies... I have to, or I don't eat, and I can't pay my bills. I earn just over what you need to earn to be entitled to anything....
There are SO many genuine cases out there, and when I worked at the Job Centre a few years ago, it used to drive me bananas to see the honest people getting a hard time, and the ones who were "swinging the lead" getting everything. And it does happen...
It is a difficult situation, but I do get upset when I can't get anything.. and the people in the house down my road - which number about 10 in one house, only one of which is working - get loads of money in benefits.. they are running two businesses from the house too.... Where is the justice?
If I didn't work though... I think I would go mad...
Sex God
I don't think anyone really minds if someone who is not working for some good reason earns the odd few £ occasionally here and there. I do mean only the odd £ though not a second bloody income like some.
An acquaintance of mine has some severe disabilities but is able to drive using an adapted car I know that he took his pensioner neighbours to Gatwick for a flight and collected them to which he got a £100. he will do that sort of thing every now and then. I dont have a problem with this.
Another person I know digs graves 2 or 3 days a week every week a hundred miles away from where he lives in London whilst being off work receiving incapacity benefit. Add this to the fact that he gets free rent and no council tax the guy is on a good thing, sometimes netting £500+ a week. What is infuriating is that he has been reported by so many people for so many years and yet nothing has been done. but not right is it.
I'm not certain though that having those on benefits doing full time work for four weeks a year, as has been suggested, is the right way to go, I don't think thats an incentive to work. Just a way to catch votes, hide figures and hide real failings of government. I admit to not knowing the answer but this ain't it.
An acquaintance of mine has some severe disabilities but is able to drive using an adapted car I know that he took his pensioner neighbours to Gatwick for a flight and collected them to which he got a £100. he will do that sort of thing every now and then. I dont have a problem with this.
Another person I know digs graves 2 or 3 days a week every week a hundred miles away from where he lives in London whilst being off work receiving incapacity benefit. Add this to the fact that he gets free rent and no council tax the guy is on a good thing, sometimes netting £500+ a week. What is infuriating is that he has been reported by so many people for so many years and yet nothing has been done.
but not right is it.I'm not certain though that having those on benefits doing full time work for four weeks a year, as has been suggested, is the right way to go, I don't think thats an incentive to work. Just a way to catch votes, hide figures and hide real failings of government. I admit to not knowing the answer but this ain't it.
Sex God
I know you said that the people you know have been reported, Lost - but who to?
There's a benefit fraud hotline. People need to use it to shop the thieving gits who cheat the system.
There's a benefit fraud hotline. People need to use it to shop the thieving gits who cheat the system.
I saw that programme the other night and it makes my blood boil, like misskitty I have had 2 loved ones pass away within a couple of years of each other, these people being my mum and dad, dad was diagnosed and died to quickly for him or my mum to claim any kind of benefits other than sickness pay but he ws lucky enough to have a fantastic employer that made sure that my mum got all the entitlements after dad went, as for my mum she was diagnosed and given 8 months to live, she and my dad had both worked for many years and never claimed anything, but when the time came to claim we had to fight tooth and nail for it, i will say once mum was in the system things did move quite quickly...
but there are people out there that know how to work the system very,very well!!!
but there are people out there that know how to work the system very,very well!!!
You saying about entitlements... When my hubby died, because it was sudden, and I couldn't get a death certificate until everything had gone to inquest.. it was six months before they even processed my applications....
I couldn't get widows benefit because I was under 45 with no children... if I had children would have got it straight away....... As it was, I couldn't get anything, only half towards the funeral cost... and I have not long finished paying it off three years on.. and it was only a basic funeral...
I really do get frustrated..... I have worked all my life!!!!!
I couldn't get widows benefit because I was under 45 with no children... if I had children would have got it straight away....... As it was, I couldn't get anything, only half towards the funeral cost... and I have not long finished paying it off three years on.. and it was only a basic funeral...
I really do get frustrated..... I have worked all my life!!!!!
Quote by Misskitty_2008
You saying about entitlements... When my hubby died, because it was sudden, and I couldn't get a death certificate until everything had gone to inquest.. it was six months before they even processed my applications....
I couldn't get widows benefit because I was under 45 with no children... if I had children would have got it straight away....... As it was, I couldn't get anything, only half towards the funeral cost... and I have not long finished paying it off three years on.. and it was only a basic funeral...
I really do get frustrated..... I have worked all my life!!!!!
Yours sounds horrifc. I hope things have worked out for you now.
The horrid thing about all this is if you was an illegal immigrant, you would be sent straight to Croydon to register for lots of money!
The system is unfair and unjust. It seems if you are a law abiding person who pays your taxes all your life, when the time comes to claim back something they drag their heels. If you have not paid anything into the system, it seems yopu are given everything. It may not work like that all the time but it seems to happen more than it should.
My Father has worked all his life and paid in for a private pension. He is now 76 and because his private pension and his state pension takes him over a certain ammount, he has to pay tax on the ammount that is higher than what the law says he should have.
Had he not put his hard earned money into a pension he would pay no tax. But that money he paid into a private pension for, was money he had already paid tax on!!
I for one hope they change the rules on this benefit and the ones that deserve it, get it. The others who could easily work I hope they are then thrown back into work asap.
Orgasminator
My opinion is that there should be harsher punishments for people that "fiddle" the benefits system. At the moment these sort of programmes seem to advertise the fact that if you steal thousands in benefits all you will get is community service.
As meat said you can work under 16 hours per week on benefits, and this is taken fully into account and stopped from your benefits - so the people that do declare an income aren't doing anything wrong, it's the people that don't that cause so many problems.
As meat said you can work under 16 hours per week on benefits, and this is taken fully into account and stopped from your benefits - so the people that do declare an income aren't doing anything wrong, it's the people that don't that cause so many problems.
I still don't get any benefits, but I don't need much and live within my means. You saying about your dad sounds like one of the ladies I care for - she is 71 and because she has a private pension which her husband paid for before he passed away, she still gets taxed! It makes me mad. She is a very kind lady - my mobile phone died on me today, and I don't have a landline, so she gave me £20 to get another so I could keep in contact with the outside world... and I need it for her too, in case she needs me... I will be paying her back, but its buggered things up a bit for me.
I have just heard from one neighbour that another rented house down my road has people in there that have had cars provided for them to keep in touch with their relatives around the country, and they walk around with better clothes than I wear.. and they're from europe...
It really doesn't seem fair, that people who have worked and toiled all their lives can't get a bean.... or really have to fight for it..... when others get everything... but hearing about these cars really has put my back up!!!
Last year I didn't have enough money to feed myself and my cats, so my cats were fed first... and when I applied for a crisis loan, I couldn't get one... I only wanted £40 for food.. yet someone in the next booth to me wanted £200 and they got it.. because they had been on benefits since the year dot... go figure.
Yours sounds horrifc. I hope things have worked out for you now.
The horrid thing about all this is if you was an illegal immigrant, you would be sent straight to Croydon to register for lots of money!
The system is unfair and unjust. It seems if you are a law abiding person who pays your taxes all your life, when the time comes to claim back something they drag their heels. If you have not paid anything into the system, it seems yopu are given everything. It may not work like that all the time but it seems to happen more than it should.
My Father has worked all his life and paid in for a private pension. He is now 76 and because his private pension and his state pension takes him over a certain ammount, he has to pay tax on the ammount that is higher than what the law says he should have.
Had he not put his hard earned money into a pension he would pay no tax. But that money he paid into a private pension for, was money he had already paid tax on!!
I for one hope they change the rules on this benefit and the ones that deserve it, get it. The others who could easily work I hope they are then thrown back into work asap. :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x
I have just heard from one neighbour that another rented house down my road has people in there that have had cars provided for them to keep in touch with their relatives around the country, and they walk around with better clothes than I wear.. and they're from europe...
It really doesn't seem fair, that people who have worked and toiled all their lives can't get a bean.... or really have to fight for it..... when others get everything... but hearing about these cars really has put my back up!!!
Last year I didn't have enough money to feed myself and my cats, so my cats were fed first... and when I applied for a crisis loan, I couldn't get one... I only wanted £40 for food.. yet someone in the next booth to me wanted £200 and they got it.. because they had been on benefits since the year dot... go figure.
Quote by kentswingers777
You saying about entitlements... When my hubby died, because it was sudden, and I couldn't get a death certificate until everything had gone to inquest.. it was six months before they even processed my applications....
I couldn't get widows benefit because I was under 45 with no children... if I had children would have got it straight away....... As it was, I couldn't get anything, only half towards the funeral cost... and I have not long finished paying it off three years on.. and it was only a basic funeral...
I really do get frustrated..... I have worked all my life!!!!!
Yours sounds horrifc. I hope things have worked out for you now.
The horrid thing about all this is if you was an illegal immigrant, you would be sent straight to Croydon to register for lots of money!
The system is unfair and unjust. It seems if you are a law abiding person who pays your taxes all your life, when the time comes to claim back something they drag their heels. If you have not paid anything into the system, it seems yopu are given everything. It may not work like that all the time but it seems to happen more than it should.
My Father has worked all his life and paid in for a private pension. He is now 76 and because his private pension and his state pension takes him over a certain ammount, he has to pay tax on the ammount that is higher than what the law says he should have.
Had he not put his hard earned money into a pension he would pay no tax. But that money he paid into a private pension for, was money he had already paid tax on!!
I for one hope they change the rules on this benefit and the ones that deserve it, get it. The others who could easily work I hope they are then thrown back into work asap.
:x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x Quote by Misskitty_2008
I still don't get any benefits, but I don't need much and live within my means. You saying about your dad sounds like one of the ladies I care for - she is 71 and because she has a private pension which her husband paid for before he passed away, she still gets taxed! It makes me mad. She is a very kind lady - my mobile phone died on me today, and I don't have a landline, so she gave me £20 to get another so I could keep in contact with the outside world... and I need it for her too, in case she needs me... I will be paying her back, but its buggered things up a bit for me.
I have just heard from one neighbour that another rented house down my road has people in there that have had cars provided for them to keep in touch with their relatives around the country, and they walk around with better clothes than I wear.. and they're from europe...
It really doesn't seem fair, that people who have worked and toiled all their lives can't get a bean.... or really have to fight for it..... when others get everything... but hearing about these cars really has put my back up!!!
Last year I didn't have enough money to feed myself and my cats, so my cats were fed first... and when I applied for a crisis loan, I couldn't get one... I only wanted £40 for food.. yet someone in the next booth to me wanted £200 and they got it.. because they had been on benefits since the year dot... go figure.
You saying about entitlements... When my hubby died, because it was sudden, and I couldn't get a death certificate until everything had gone to inquest.. it was six months before they even processed my applications....
I couldn't get widows benefit because I was under 45 with no children... if I had children would have got it straight away....... As it was, I couldn't get anything, only half towards the funeral cost... and I have not long finished paying it off three years on.. and it was only a basic funeral...
I really do get frustrated..... I have worked all my life!!!!!
Yours sounds horrifc. I hope things have worked out for you now.
The horrid thing about all this is if you was an illegal immigrant, you would be sent straight to Croydon to register for lots of money!
The system is unfair and unjust. It seems if you are a law abiding person who pays your taxes all your life, when the time comes to claim back something they drag their heels. If you have not paid anything into the system, it seems yopu are given everything. It may not work like that all the time but it seems to happen more than it should.
My Father has worked all his life and paid in for a private pension. He is now 76 and because his private pension and his state pension takes him over a certain ammount, he has to pay tax on the ammount that is higher than what the law says he should have.
Had he not put his hard earned money into a pension he would pay no tax. But that money he paid into a private pension for, was money he had already paid tax on!!
I for one hope they change the rules on this benefit and the ones that deserve it, get it. The others who could easily work I hope they are then thrown back into work asap.
:x :x :x :x :x :x :x :xOr one that really annoys me is the ammount of money paid in child benefit to kids that are not even in this country. :shock: How the heck does that one work? :x
I have no idea... the rules keep changing..... but why can't they look after those in this country first????
Yours sounds horrifc. I hope things have worked out for you now.
The horrid thing about all this is if you was an illegal immigrant, you would be sent straight to Croydon to register for lots of money!
The system is unfair and unjust. It seems if you are a law abiding person who pays your taxes all your life, when the time comes to claim back something they drag their heels. If you have not paid anything into the system, it seems yopu are given everything. It may not work like that all the time but it seems to happen more than it should.
My Father has worked all his life and paid in for a private pension. He is now 76 and because his private pension and his state pension takes him over a certain ammount, he has to pay tax on the ammount that is higher than what the law says he should have.
Had he not put his hard earned money into a pension he would pay no tax. But that money he paid into a private pension for, was money he had already paid tax on!!
I for one hope they change the rules on this benefit and the ones that deserve it, get it. The others who could easily work I hope they are then thrown back into work asap. :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x
Or one that really annoys me is the ammount of money paid in child benefit to kids that are not even in this country. :shock: How the heck does that one work? :x
Quote by kentswingers777
I still don't get any benefits, but I don't need much and live within my means. You saying about your dad sounds like one of the ladies I care for - she is 71 and because she has a private pension which her husband paid for before he passed away, she still gets taxed! It makes me mad. She is a very kind lady - my mobile phone died on me today, and I don't have a landline, so she gave me £20 to get another so I could keep in contact with the outside world... and I need it for her too, in case she needs me... I will be paying her back, but its buggered things up a bit for me.
I have just heard from one neighbour that another rented house down my road has people in there that have had cars provided for them to keep in touch with their relatives around the country, and they walk around with better clothes than I wear.. and they're from europe...
It really doesn't seem fair, that people who have worked and toiled all their lives can't get a bean.... or really have to fight for it..... when others get everything... but hearing about these cars really has put my back up!!!
Last year I didn't have enough money to feed myself and my cats, so my cats were fed first... and when I applied for a crisis loan, I couldn't get one... I only wanted £40 for food.. yet someone in the next booth to me wanted £200 and they got it.. because they had been on benefits since the year dot... go figure.
You saying about entitlements... When my hubby died, because it was sudden, and I couldn't get a death certificate until everything had gone to inquest.. it was six months before they even processed my applications....
I couldn't get widows benefit because I was under 45 with no children... if I had children would have got it straight away....... As it was, I couldn't get anything, only half towards the funeral cost... and I have not long finished paying it off three years on.. and it was only a basic funeral...
I really do get frustrated..... I have worked all my life!!!!!
Yours sounds horrifc. I hope things have worked out for you now.
The horrid thing about all this is if you was an illegal immigrant, you would be sent straight to Croydon to register for lots of money!
The system is unfair and unjust. It seems if you are a law abiding person who pays your taxes all your life, when the time comes to claim back something they drag their heels. If you have not paid anything into the system, it seems yopu are given everything. It may not work like that all the time but it seems to happen more than it should.
My Father has worked all his life and paid in for a private pension. He is now 76 and because his private pension and his state pension takes him over a certain ammount, he has to pay tax on the ammount that is higher than what the law says he should have.
Had he not put his hard earned money into a pension he would pay no tax. But that money he paid into a private pension for, was money he had already paid tax on!!
I for one hope they change the rules on this benefit and the ones that deserve it, get it. The others who could easily work I hope they are then thrown back into work asap.
:x :x :x :x :x :x :x :xOr one that really annoys me is the ammount of money paid in child benefit to kids that are not even in this country. :shock: How the heck does that one work? :x
Orgasminator
I'm really not sure on this one, from experience Child Benefit should be paid to the parent or person with care of the child in question. Meaning that it should only be paid for people living in this country....
Yours sounds horrifc. I hope things have worked out for you now.
The horrid thing about all this is if you was an illegal immigrant, you would be sent straight to Croydon to register for lots of money!
The system is unfair and unjust. It seems if you are a law abiding person who pays your taxes all your life, when the time comes to claim back something they drag their heels. If you have not paid anything into the system, it seems yopu are given everything. It may not work like that all the time but it seems to happen more than it should.
My Father has worked all his life and paid in for a private pension. He is now 76 and because his private pension and his state pension takes him over a certain ammount, he has to pay tax on the ammount that is higher than what the law says he should have.
Had he not put his hard earned money into a pension he would pay no tax. But that money he paid into a private pension for, was money he had already paid tax on!!
I for one hope they change the rules on this benefit and the ones that deserve it, get it. The others who could easily work I hope they are then thrown back into work asap. :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x
Or one that really annoys me is the ammount of money paid in child benefit to kids that are not even in this country. :shock: How the heck does that one work? :x
Quote by kentswingers777
I still don't get any benefits, but I don't need much and live within my means. You saying about your dad sounds like one of the ladies I care for - she is 71 and because she has a private pension which her husband paid for before he passed away, she still gets taxed! It makes me mad. She is a very kind lady - my mobile phone died on me today, and I don't have a landline, so she gave me £20 to get another so I could keep in contact with the outside world... and I need it for her too, in case she needs me... I will be paying her back, but its buggered things up a bit for me.
I have just heard from one neighbour that another rented house down my road has people in there that have had cars provided for them to keep in touch with their relatives around the country, and they walk around with better clothes than I wear.. and they're from europe...
It really doesn't seem fair, that people who have worked and toiled all their lives can't get a bean.... or really have to fight for it..... when others get everything... but hearing about these cars really has put my back up!!!
Last year I didn't have enough money to feed myself and my cats, so my cats were fed first... and when I applied for a crisis loan, I couldn't get one... I only wanted £40 for food.. yet someone in the next booth to me wanted £200 and they got it.. because they had been on benefits since the year dot... go figure.
You saying about entitlements... When my hubby died, because it was sudden, and I couldn't get a death certificate until everything had gone to inquest.. it was six months before they even processed my applications....
I couldn't get widows benefit because I was under 45 with no children... if I had children would have got it straight away....... As it was, I couldn't get anything, only half towards the funeral cost... and I have not long finished paying it off three years on.. and it was only a basic funeral...
I really do get frustrated..... I have worked all my life!!!!!
Yours sounds horrifc. I hope things have worked out for you now.
The horrid thing about all this is if you was an illegal immigrant, you would be sent straight to Croydon to register for lots of money!
The system is unfair and unjust. It seems if you are a law abiding person who pays your taxes all your life, when the time comes to claim back something they drag their heels. If you have not paid anything into the system, it seems yopu are given everything. It may not work like that all the time but it seems to happen more than it should.
My Father has worked all his life and paid in for a private pension. He is now 76 and because his private pension and his state pension takes him over a certain ammount, he has to pay tax on the ammount that is higher than what the law says he should have.
Had he not put his hard earned money into a pension he would pay no tax. But that money he paid into a private pension for, was money he had already paid tax on!!
I for one hope they change the rules on this benefit and the ones that deserve it, get it. The others who could easily work I hope they are then thrown back into work asap.
:x :x :x :x :x :x :x :xOr one that really annoys me is the ammount of money paid in child benefit to kids that are not even in this country. :shock: How the heck does that one work? :x
Orgasminator
Great idea in theory but my god can you imagine the uproar from the people mentioned!
In the meantime if anyone feels like reporting a fraudulent benefit claim here ya go:
In the meantime if anyone feels like reporting a fraudulent benefit claim here ya go:
Quote by hell1970
mmmmmm maybe someone should start a national web page up to name and shame benefit cheats and force to goverment to act
What got me on that programme was the young girl with the baby that got found out and was made to pay back the money over paid, so what she did was make a new claim and out of that money the DWP took the money from her that she was over paid, isn't that a bit like paying themselves back out of their own money?
And another thing all these people seem to be able to afford cigerettes but plead poverty, can't feed/clothes kids etc.....GIVE UP THE EVIL WEED!!!!!
Sam x
And another thing all these people seem to be able to afford cigerettes but plead poverty, can't feed/clothes kids etc.....GIVE UP THE EVIL WEED!!!!!
Sam x
I think that site might get a lot of hits tonight hun!
Quote by bbw_wboro
Great idea in theory but my god can you imagine the uproar from the people mentioned!
In the meantime if anyone feels like reporting a fraudulent benefit claim here ya go:
mmmmmm maybe someone should start a national web page up to name and shame benefit cheats and force to goverment to act
Orgasminator
It is a bit like paying themselves back with their own money but this would actually be money that she's entitled to. So instead of giving it to her she is paying off her debt.
Personally if they have a debt for this reason I don't think they should get any benefits at all until the overpayment is paid off. Obviously this can't be done as the law states that a person claiming has a personal allowance, which is how much the government decide they need to live off each week.
But grrrrrrrrrr it grates on me!!
Personally if they have a debt for this reason I don't think they should get any benefits at all until the overpayment is paid off. Obviously this can't be done as the law states that a person claiming has a personal allowance, which is how much the government decide they need to live off each week.
But grrrrrrrrrr it grates on me!!
Quote by Samndave
What got me on that programme was the young girl with the baby that got found out and was made to pay back the money over paid, so what she did was make a new claim and out of that money the DWP took the money from her that she was over paid, isn't that a bit like paying themselves back out of their own money?
And another thing all these people seem to be able to afford cigerettes but plead poverty, can't feed/clothes kids etc.....GIVE UP THE EVIL WEED!!!!!
Sam x
Incapacity benefit isn't the most common benefit being cheated on as it can be quite hard to stay on it. You have to attend medicals every two years and/or evidence from your GP.
The other thing that makes Incap a pain is the fact that you don't get any subsidiary benefits just because you are on it like a lot of the other benefits. Whilst on Incap you do not automatically get things like Council Tax relief, housing benefit, free prescriptions. All you get on Incap is Incap and the amount you get whilst more than a lot of benefits in the long run you actually get less because of the lack of other benefits. This is what makes it necessary for some people to cheat a bit. I'm not talking about the ones who take on the occasional job just to make ends meet who I sympathise with (well I would as I'm one of them) but the ones who have regular jobs AND claim Incap need shooting and are screwing things up for the likes of people like Kitty and I.
The other thing that makes Incap a pain is the fact that you don't get any subsidiary benefits just because you are on it like a lot of the other benefits. Whilst on Incap you do not automatically get things like Council Tax relief, housing benefit, free prescriptions. All you get on Incap is Incap and the amount you get whilst more than a lot of benefits in the long run you actually get less because of the lack of other benefits. This is what makes it necessary for some people to cheat a bit. I'm not talking about the ones who take on the occasional job just to make ends meet who I sympathise with (well I would as I'm one of them) but the ones who have regular jobs AND claim Incap need shooting and are screwing things up for the likes of people like Kitty and I.
Quote by hell1970
after watching a tv programe the other day i shocked to see how many people actually claiming disablement or incapacity benefit are actually fiddling the system by casual working..just thought id ask what everyones opinions of these people are..as for my opinion i think its disgusting that people can get high amounts of benefit and even cars and pay no rent and council tax while others have to struggle by...ur opinion???????
totaly agree with your sentiments i know of people claiming they are single living alone whilst have working parteners,i think its the same as any other form of stealing or theft. me personaly have been ripped of on ebay by people seling goods that never turn seems to me they have no compasion at all for people they steal from, as long as they gain from wat they even cary on doing this after having been convicted,
Quote by pisces2
after watching a tv programe the other day i shocked to see how many people actually claiming disablement or incapacity benefit are actually fiddling the system by casual working..just thought id ask what everyones opinions of these people are..as for my opinion i think its disgusting that people can get high amounts of benefit and even cars and pay no rent and council tax while others have to struggle by...ur opinion???????
totaly agree with your sentiments i know of people claiming they are single living alone whilst have working parteners,i think its the same as any other form of stealing or theft. me personaly have been ripped of on ebay by people seling goods that never turn seems to me they have no compasion at all for people they steal from, as long as they gain from wat they even cary on doing this after having been convicted,
i totally agree theres a lot of conning and stealing in all walks of life and maybe its time us good people should make a stand against it
I have tried.. let the police use my house for a "lookout" and they managed to catch some fake water board people targeting the elderly down my road... but I guess we are too scared of being victims or victimised ourselves.... I try to do my bit x
totaly agree with your sentiments i know of people claiming they are single living alone whilst have working parteners,i think its the same as any other form of stealing or theft. me personaly have been ripped of on ebay by people seling goods that never turn seems to me they have no compasion at all for people they steal from, as long as they gain from wat they even cary on doing this after having been convicted,
i totally agree theres a lot of conning and stealing in all walks of life and maybe its time us good people should make a stand against it
Quote by hell1970
after watching a tv programe the other day i shocked to see how many people actually claiming disablement or incapacity benefit are actually fiddling the system by casual working..just thought id ask what everyones opinions of these people are..as for my opinion i think its disgusting that people can get high amounts of benefit and even cars and pay no rent and council tax while others have to struggle by...ur opinion???????
totaly agree with your sentiments i know of people claiming they are single living alone whilst have working parteners,i think its the same as any other form of stealing or theft. me personaly have been ripped of on ebay by people seling goods that never turn seems to me they have no compasion at all for people they steal from, as long as they gain from wat they even cary on doing this after having been convicted,
i totally agree theres a lot of conning and stealing in all walks of life and maybe its time us good people should make a stand against it
while i understand your anger at those whom you think are claiming frauduently, do you know the whole facts, or just what mr smith told mrs jones and mrs toms cat told the neighbour?
i blame the government for allowing these claims to take place.
regarding incapacity benefit, they issue the benefit, but no conditions, eg, attend AA, lose weight, councelling etc etc then if you can stay on it for 26 plus weeks it goes up considerably. incentive?? none, other than you dont get the passport benefits, eg free glasses, dental treatment, medication.
if you think someone is claiming fraudently then report them, dont think someone else has or should.
i personally feel that no money should be issued, but vouchers for food, electric, etc should be issued, at a set amount for set foods. budgeting and cooking skills given. that way no bad diets, no smoking, drinking etc, if you want that get a job.
i know when i say that i get battered by many.
the social system was ment to be a safety net, not a fun trampoline.
those in need we need to help.
xx fem xx
i blame the government for allowing these claims to take place.
regarding incapacity benefit, they issue the benefit, but no conditions, eg, attend AA, lose weight, councelling etc etc then if you can stay on it for 26 plus weeks it goes up considerably. incentive?? none, other than you dont get the passport benefits, eg free glasses, dental treatment, medication.
if you think someone is claiming fraudently then report them, dont think someone else has or should.
i personally feel that no money should be issued, but vouchers for food, electric, etc should be issued, at a set amount for set foods. budgeting and cooking skills given. that way no bad diets, no smoking, drinking etc, if you want that get a job.
i know when i say that i get battered by many.
the social system was ment to be a safety net, not a fun trampoline.
those in need we need to help.
xx fem xx
Sex God
Quote by fem_4_taboo
if you think someone is claiming fraudently then report them, dont think someone else has or should.
Exactly, and anyone who does not report this theft is just condoning and encouraging it.
At the end of the day that is yours and my tax which is paying for this. I work bloody hard but I dont do it to pay for the people who are more than happy to steal 'benefits' that they are not entitled to.
As for Invalidity Benefit etc, the Government published their Green paper today, and Incapacity Benefit will end this year and be replaced by this -
Sex God
Quote by fem_4_taboo
while i understand your anger at those whom you think are claiming frauduently, do you know the whole facts, or just what mr smith told mrs jones and mrs toms cat told the neighbour?
i blame the government for allowing these claims to take place.
regarding incapacity benefit, they issue the benefit, but no conditions, eg, attend AA, lose weight, councelling etc etc then if you can stay on it for 26 plus weeks it goes up considerably. incentive?? none, other than you dont get the passport benefits, eg free glasses, dental treatment, medication.
if you think someone is claiming fraudently then report them, dont think someone else has or should.
i personally feel that no money should be issued, but vouchers for food, electric, etc should be issued, at a set amount for set foods. budgeting and cooking skills given. that way no bad diets, no smoking, drinking etc, if you want that get a job.
i know when i say that i get battered by many.
the social system was ment to be a safety net, not a fun trampoline.
those in need we need to help.
xx fem xx
You won't get any argument from me for any of that :thumbup:
Quote by fem_4_taboo
while i understand your anger at those whom you think are claiming frauduently, do you know the whole facts, or just what mr smith told mrs jones and mrs toms cat told the neighbour?
i blame the government for allowing these claims to take place.
regarding incapacity benefit, they issue the benefit, but no conditions, eg, attend AA, lose weight, councelling etc etc then if you can stay on it for 26 plus weeks it goes up considerably. incentive?? none, other than you dont get the passport benefits, eg free glasses, dental treatment, medication.
if you think someone is claiming fraudently then report them, dont think someone else has or should.
i personally feel that no money should be issued, but vouchers for food, electric, etc should be issued, at a set amount for set foods. budgeting and cooking skills given. that way no bad diets, no smoking, drinking etc, if you want that get a job.
i know when i say that i get battered by many.
the social system was ment to be a safety net, not a fun trampoline.
those in need we need to help.
xx fem xx
Yes your right there.
It makes me laugh when I hear people say its ok to do the odd job. :shock: No it is not. If you do work and get money and then dont declare it then sorry, you are just as guilty as someone who works full time. Dishonesty is dishonesty as it is telling porkies about how much you are getting.
Its like saying its wrong to steal a 42in telly, but if it is a portable one then thats ok. :shock:
Quote by Freckledbird
while i understand your anger at those whom you think are claiming frauduently, do you know the whole facts, or just what mr smith told mrs jones and mrs toms cat told the neighbour?
i blame the government for allowing these claims to take place.
regarding incapacity benefit, they issue the benefit, but no conditions, eg, attend AA, lose weight, councelling etc etc then if you can stay on it for 26 plus weeks it goes up considerably. incentive?? none, other than you dont get the passport benefits, eg free glasses, dental treatment, medication.
if you think someone is claiming fraudently then report them, dont think someone else has or should.
i personally feel that no money should be issued, but vouchers for food, electric, etc should be issued, at a set amount for set foods. budgeting and cooking skills given. that way no bad diets, no smoking, drinking etc, if you want that get a job.
i know when i say that i get battered by many.
the social system was ment to be a safety net, not a fun trampoline.
those in need we need to help.
xx fem xx
You won't get any argument from me for any of that :thumbup:
Or me :thumbup:
I particulary like the idea of vouchers instead of money. I live in a "deprived" area and nothing makes me more angry than parents telling their children off for asking for sweets, complaining they don't have 30p for a packet of sweets but spending £5 on a packet of cigarettes!!.
