k been toyin wiv the idea of askin this question for a few weeks as dont want to start a whole religious debate off as religion can be a sensitive subject... but..can you be a practising catholic, married and a swinger if so...wot matters 1st your religion , your marriage or your lifestyle..personally i'm a catholic (not practising & not married & i swing) so the whole religion issue dont really crop up. Surely in this relaxed time that we are living in & the number of peeps that are members of sites like this one then some of us must come under the heading.
I dont want to start a debate that critisises or undermines peeps religious beliefs but more as to wots more important n what do you tell the priest at confession sorry father but i have sinned.... etc etc etc
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Quote by flower411
k been toyin wiv the idea of askin this question for a few weeks as dont want to start a whole religious debate off as religion can be a sensitive subject... but..can you be a practising catholic, married and a swinger if so...wot matters 1st your religion , your marriage or your lifestyle..personally i'm a catholic (not practising & not married & i swing) so the whole religion issue dont really crop up. Surely in this relaxed time that we are living in & the number of peeps that are members of sites like this one then some of us must come under the heading.
I dont want to start a debate that critisises or undermines peeps religious beliefs but more as to wots more important n what do you tell the priest at confession sorry father but i have sinned.... etc etc etc
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Yup... ditto!
The catholics are the most hypocritical of the lot! I know I come from a massive family of them! I'm now non-practicing.
Putting that aside, I wouldn't tell my mates that I swing let alone a Priest (I know I know.. shouldn't think like that!
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i'm not expecting anyone to explain their religion on here hence the comment that i didnt want to start off a religious debate as i know tis sensitive..bollox i shud have stayed jus toyin wiv the idea
No.. don't say that! but expect some honest opinions!...
It is a good post but it will bring on a mass debate (not a masturbate
) xx
well lets avoid the word catholic for sensitive reasons and use christianity,i think you only have two options on this situation ..which is you either devote yourself to christianity and follow what the holy book says or continue being a swinger...but with marriage that can go ahead whether you are swinger or a christian...
Sex God
Well I think you could probably not tell your priest and be ok. You could just decide to repent your sins at some point and god would forgive you. Even if you don't get chance to repent before your time then the priest will read your last rites and ask god for forgiveness for you. I see no problem with swinging and mixing it with your faith.
Hey we all know the joke about too lesbian nuns in the bath dont we? It just goes to prove.
Hey we all know the joke about too lesbian nuns in the bath dont we? It just goes to prove.
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Well I think you could probably not tell your priest and be ok. You could just decide to repent your sins at some point and god would forgive you. Even if you don't get chance to repent before your time then the priest will read your last rites and ask god for forgiveness for you. I see no problem with swinging and mixing it with your faith.
Hey we all know the joke about too lesbian nuns in the bath dont we? It just goes to prove.
good lord Lost with that theory heaven must be full of swingers....thats swingingheaven for you!
Orgasminator
Ak, with my late father being a reverend (CofE)I cant help but post....
The great thing about catholisusm is that no matter what you do if you repent on your death bed then heaven is open to you!
Thats tongue in cheek, to a point, by the way!
My take on it is...
If you are personaly "good" to yourself and others and your OWN beliefs... then sod what the "god botherers"(1) say.
(1) most religions are about imposing "laws" or "rules."
Most of the laws and rules haave good legitimate reasons... dont kill, dont steal, help people, etc.
Most religions and non-religious law systems are open to abuse by people using them for their own ends.
One of the reasons for the "dont covert" and "dont shag around" was so land owners and their "legitimate" ofspring could continue to own the land without some "kid" turning up and saying "he's my dad... i want a cut."
A lot of god bothereres are more interested in being better than thy neabours, not about actually following a faith... to them any faith would do, just as long as they are better than thao!
It does not matter what faith you believe in, just as long as you are true to yourself... at the end of the day, god (who ever, or possibly no one...) will judge you as an individual... if you are true to your self, and if god (or some devine being does exist) then surely he wants nothing more than you to be you, after all we were made in his image... so ultimatly we can never transgress because we are copies of him(her)self.
Dont get me started on the other religion that even tho it is almost identical to "christianity" has been so corrupted by people intent on being the best and better than thao!
Its such a shame that religion, of all faiths, while having good principals is corrupted and used to subjigate and oppress others.
OK rant over... I dont do them often, LOL!
If you enjoy swinging and it doesnt hurt anyone... then there is no problem!
The great thing about catholisusm is that no matter what you do if you repent on your death bed then heaven is open to you!
Thats tongue in cheek, to a point, by the way!
My take on it is...
If you are personaly "good" to yourself and others and your OWN beliefs... then sod what the "god botherers"(1) say.
(1) most religions are about imposing "laws" or "rules."
Most of the laws and rules haave good legitimate reasons... dont kill, dont steal, help people, etc.
Most religions and non-religious law systems are open to abuse by people using them for their own ends.
One of the reasons for the "dont covert" and "dont shag around" was so land owners and their "legitimate" ofspring could continue to own the land without some "kid" turning up and saying "he's my dad... i want a cut."
A lot of god bothereres are more interested in being better than thy neabours, not about actually following a faith... to them any faith would do, just as long as they are better than thao!
It does not matter what faith you believe in, just as long as you are true to yourself... at the end of the day, god (who ever, or possibly no one...) will judge you as an individual... if you are true to your self, and if god (or some devine being does exist) then surely he wants nothing more than you to be you, after all we were made in his image... so ultimatly we can never transgress because we are copies of him(her)self.
Dont get me started on the other religion that even tho it is almost identical to "christianity" has been so corrupted by people intent on being the best and better than thao!
Its such a shame that religion, of all faiths, while having good principals is corrupted and used to subjigate and oppress others.
OK rant over... I dont do them often, LOL!
If you enjoy swinging and it doesnt hurt anyone... then there is no problem!
Well it strikes me that the Catholic church excels in making their parishioners imbibe a large portion of guilt. Well what better way to feel guilty than to be a devout Catholic who swings.
It's a win/win situation. The church gets their guilt quota and the swingers get their carnal fun. Sounds perfect to me.
It's a win/win situation. The church gets their guilt quota and the swingers get their carnal fun. Sounds perfect to me.
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Quote by piercedJon
Ak, with my late father being a reverend (CofE)I cant help but post....
The great thing about catholisusm is that no matter what you do if you repent on your death bed then heaven is open to you!
Thats tongue in cheek, to a point, by the way!
My take on it is...
If you are personaly "good" to yourself and others and your OWN beliefs... then sod what the "god botherers"(1) say.
(1) most religions are about imposing "laws" or "rules."
Most of the laws and rules haave good legitimate reasons... dont kill, dont steal, help people, etc.
Most religions and non-religious law systems are open to abuse by people using them for their own ends.
One of the reasons for the "dont covert" and "dont shag around" was so land owners and their "legitimate" ofspring could continue to own the land without some "kid" turning up and saying "he's my dad... i want a cut."
A lot of god bothereres are more interested in being better than thy neabours, not about actually following a faith... to them any faith would do, just as long as they are better than thao!
It does not matter what faith you believe in, just as long as you are true to yourself... at the end of the day, god (who ever, or possibly no one...) will judge you as an individual... if you are true to your self, and if god (or some devine being does exist) then surely he wants nothing more than you to be you, after all we were made in his image... so ultimatly we can never transgress because we are copies of him(her)self.
Dont get me started on the other religion that even tho it is almost identical to "christianity" has been so corrupted by people intent on being the best and better than thao!
Its such a shame that religion, of all faiths, while having good principals is corrupted and used to subjigate and oppress others.
OK rant over... I dont do them often, LOL!
If you enjoy swinging and it doesnt hurt anyone... then there is no problem!
You took the words right out of my mouth!
:thumbup:
Maybe logic would prevail here in that if you are a devout faith type person, you probably have already communicated with god about what you are doing, and presumably proceeded with permission or at least agreed to disagree. So that aspect is accounted for.
So with the almighty temporarily on your side, or at least not striking you down from on high; you only have to deal with the minor administrators. But that would only be if you fessed up.
So its back to plain old deceit and leading a double, triple or quadruple life.
So with the almighty temporarily on your side, or at least not striking you down from on high; you only have to deal with the minor administrators. But that would only be if you fessed up.
So its back to plain old deceit and leading a double, triple or quadruple life.
Sex God
Welcome back piercedJon
:wave:
Quote by piercedJon....and you put it so much better than I, who was think the same thing.
Ak, with my late father being a reverend (CofE)I cant help but post....
The great thing about catholisusm is that no matter what you do if you repent on your death bed then heaven is open to you!
Thats tongue in cheek, to a point, by the way!
My take on it is...
If you are personaly "good" to yourself and others and your OWN beliefs... then sod what the "god botherers"(1) say.
(1) most religions are about imposing "laws" or "rules."
Most of the laws and rules haave good legitimate reasons... dont kill, dont steal, help people, etc.
Most religions and non-religious law systems are open to abuse by people using them for their own ends.
One of the reasons for the "dont covert" and "dont shag around" was so land owners and their "legitimate" ofspring could continue to own the land without some "kid" turning up and saying "he's my dad... i want a cut."
A lot of god bothereres are more interested in being better than thy neabours, not about actually following a faith... to them any faith would do, just as long as they are better than thao!
It does not matter what faith you believe in, just as long as you are true to yourself... at the end of the day, god (who ever, or possibly no one...) will judge you as an individual... if you are true to your self, and if god (or some devine being does exist) then surely he wants nothing more than you to be you, after all we were made in his image... so ultimatly we can never transgress because we are copies of him(her)self.
Dont get me started on the other religion that even tho it is almost identical to "christianity" has been so corrupted by people intent on being the best and better than thao!
Its such a shame that religion, of all faiths, while having good principals is corrupted and used to subjigate and oppress others.
OK rant over... I dont do them often, LOL!
If you enjoy swinging and it doesnt hurt anyone... then there is no problem!
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I had a similar discussion not so very long ago with another member of SH whilst we were strolling through the city. We spotted a sign in the window advertising a "Christian Photocopier service" and jokingly began a Pythonesque tableau about how anyone could tell if a photocopy was created by a Christian hand or if the photocopying machine was a born-again Christian
...
Are religious establishment exempt from such laws? ie. There is no need to have any non-x in an x-church.
So my calling it a 'Christian' photo-copy service it is in fact a religious organisation and therefore exempt. Even better if the story of the feeding of the five thousand is recited over each copy. (So much from just one boys lunch.)
Quote by Jefnchelle
To be honest i was more thinking of the marriage vows ya know forsake all others n all that (dint marry in church so not sure what the correct terminology is) as oppose to...how you repent sins
Like anything it would be how the person interpretes that. I can forsake all others emotionally and have as much physical connection as I like. I would be keeping the vows that I have made. The vows are an agreement between the two (or 6 or 30 )people who are saying them to each other so, as long as they have a clear understanding of what the words mean to each other and themselves as a couple then it is all good.
Sex God
Quote by de_sade
..... to the more serious discussions about the legal ramifications of employing ONLY Christians to run this service and if in stating that they were Christians they might be breaking or falling foul of the employment laws in the UK
Certainly in Scotland if a teacher (fully qualified and able) wishes to teach in a Catholic School (even a state funded one) then their application needs the approval of the Catholic Church. It amounts to what you are saying above as far as I'm concerned.
Quote by Jefnchelleerrr was u planning asking me for my hand in marriage ???
To be honest i was more thinking of the marriage vows ya know forsake all others n all that (dint marry in church so not sure what the correct terminology is) as oppose to...how you repent sins
:roll: if so i accept i like wedding cake :twisted: :twisted: Quote by vodka_babe22uk
all i know is please correct me if i am wrong
but cant catholics use birth control
they're not supposed to, neither are they supposed to talk of abortion, apparently only method is withdrawal so that's a no-no in the swinging world
it matters not on anyones religion, married or not swinging is between consenting adults right or wrong and if we had any qualms with our conscience we wouldn't be here.
Sex God
okay.... interesting question, but let me put it to you like this...
just because someone happens to be catholic doesn't mean they have to believe every little bit of catholic doctrine....
for example....my mums side of the family are methodist, my dads side of the family are catholic,
so my faith is well.... my own!!! :lol:
I would consider myself catholic, but there are bits of it that the pope and I don't agree .. like not allowing women priests, or controception ect ect ect.....
so I don't see it being a conflict at all...... and i am sure that others would feel the same....
sean xxxxxxxxxxxxx
just because someone happens to be catholic doesn't mean they have to believe every little bit of catholic doctrine....
for example....my mums side of the family are methodist, my dads side of the family are catholic,
so my faith is well.... my own!!!
:lol: I would consider myself catholic, but there are bits of it that the pope and I don't agree .. like not allowing women priests, or controception ect ect ect.....
so I don't see it being a conflict at all...... and i am sure that others would feel the same....
sean xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Master of Sex
since swingers break several of the 10 fundamental commandments of the major abrahamic religions, plus many of the laws laid down in the scriptures, it is hard to see how a swinger can reconcile that with calling themselves catholic, e, jewish etc. without being cynical and going for a death-bed contrition in the hope of salvation lol.
swinging should make no difference to a person`s belief in a god,but putting that god within a particular faith system is the dilemma.
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swinging should make no difference to a person`s belief in a god,but putting that god within a particular faith system is the dilemma.
fornication rules
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Its Soddam and Gomorrah all over again! You'll all burn in hell, I tell ya!!
But what a way to spend eternity
But what a way to spend eternity
Sex God
Quote by Jefnchelle
To be honest i was more thinking of the marriage vows ya know forsake all others n all that (dint marry in church so not sure what the correct terminology is) as oppose to...how you repent sins
I think the "forsaking all others" bit might a bit harder to square.
But if both partners agree, who else could possibly object? Vows to 'God' are 100% personal anyway and nothing to do with anyone else. Including the God-squad.
Welcome back PiercedJon xxxxxxx
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To be honest i was more thinking of the marriage vows ya know forsake all others n all that (dint marry in church so not sure what the correct terminology is) as oppose to...how you repent sins
Religion religion,well mankind over the years has used religion to soften up their sins and evil...some misled muslims use it as a cover up to blow up innocent people,some religious cult in Texas use it to have sex and marry under age kids,well you can bank on repenting on your death bed but who knows if you will have one....the seventh commandment say ''thou shall not commit adultery''so sleeping with other people with or without your partners knowledge doesnt make a difference....you are either a practising christian or just go ahead and enjoy your swinging
hope thats not very harsh!
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well lets avoid the word catholic for sensitive reasons and use christianity,i think you only have two options on this situation ..which is you either devote yourself to christianity and follow what the holy book says or continue being a swinger...but with marriage that can go ahead whether you are swinger or a christian...
Just as a matter of interest why do you feel it ok to use christianity but not catholic?
Quote by jaymar
all i know is please correct me if i am wrong
but cant catholics use birth control
they're not supposed to, neither are they supposed to talk of abortion, apparently only method is withdrawal so that's a no-no in the swinging world
it matters not on anyones religion, married or not swinging is between consenting adults right or wrong and if we had any qualms with our conscience we wouldn't be here.
bit dodgy if you can't use a condom
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well lets avoid the word catholic for sensitive reasons and use christianity,i think you only have two options on this situation ..which is you either devote yourself to christianity and follow what the holy book says or continue being a swinger...but with marriage that can go ahead whether you are swinger or a christian...
Just as a matter of interest why do you feel it ok to use christianity but not catholic?
the answer is in the very sentence you've highlighted
