Charging for socials.

11 Nov 2009

Can i just ask what people think of this??
Today its been brought to my attention that a social that is happening this friday night in Derby have sent out an email to people stating ..
Â£4 SINGLE MEN
Â£4 COUPLES
FREE to single ladies.
I think this is really wrong as its down as a social not an enterance to a swing club? are women being used as bate? I dont understand where people get thier ideas from? Im luckly enough not going to this social as its my however, I have had a few people moaning at me and now saying they wont go to this.
What do you think of this??? rolleyes

11 Nov 2009

Well the room and DJ(is there is one) need paying for to start with so that will be why there is a charge... but I don't agree with single girls going for nothing. Like you say, it isn't a club. Maybe people should refuse to pay unless all are paying.

11 Nov 2009

I cannot find an actual thread for this social or am i just missing it confused

11 Nov 2009

there is a derby social this friday, that might be the ones mentioned
we are on the list but gary added to the thread so i imagine he got the email

11 Nov 2009

of all the socials iv been to in the past i think most have different prices for males, fems and cpls
usually with the fems getting in free or cheaper
dont seem fair to me and once i did question it but cant rember the answer cus it was ages ago !
i only knew about it because a single fem mentioned the price she was paying which was less than what me and gary were gonna pay
i was originaly here as a single fem and wouldnt have expected to get in cheaper/free than others but i guess its the choice of the person running it smile

11 Nov 2009

If this is what is happening... than that IMO is wrong, and highly unfair
if it is in a social setting.. then this is the first time I have heard of any SH social doing this, and it is a sad day...
the only charges are suppose to cover costs, so to say that people are going free because they are "single fems" then that screams "money making venture" to me.. as why would you not charge "per head" otherwise

11 Nov 2009

I have been here for 5 yrs. Im also a single fem. I have never in all my time of being here paid more or less than than anybody else.

11 Nov 2009

just wondering tho if anyone would actually know what others are paying to get in a social cus each email giving details could be altered to suit whether it was being sent to a cpl, male or fem !
im not complaing tho cus i would still go to such socials unless the price difference was vast smile

11 Nov 2009

Quote by Lilmiss
I have been here for 5 yrs. Im also a single fem. I have never in all my time of being here paid more or less than than anybody else.

Same here....
It wrong and should not be allowed.......On the face of it it appears a bit of a money making excersise....
I have heard tales of other socials as well where there is a charge for room and DJ etc but it has been discovered that both were free.......

11 Nov 2009

Maybe this is why the organisers are PM-ing the prices to people instead of stating it in the information given when you put your name down.

11 Nov 2009

You could well be right.....
Its something that sounds suss to me and to be honest if I was on the list I wouldn't go.....

11 Nov 2009

I dont think the person running the social is doing this to make money... though i'm not sure if this social is being held at a club so maybe the prices are what the club are charging and so the organisers hands are tied???
If it is at a club - which i think it is - then nobody has moaned about other club meets such as the chams social which has differing prices for couples males females....
if it isn't at a club then maybe a fairer pricing policy would be couples Â£6 Males/Females Â£4... but then as a couple we'd be biased lol

11 Nov 2009

i hadnt realised it was in a club, i presumed (wrongly) that it was in a pub becuse i thought it had to say in the first post if it was in a club .... it made sense in my head but came out all wrong when i typed it lol
i supose when gary (my better half) reads the email we will know where it is and can then chose whether or not to go to it cus a club social is very different to a pub social to me smile

11 Nov 2009

Well if it is in a club isn't it in the wrong section of the forum ????

11 Nov 2009

Quote by Steve
Well if it is in a club isn't it in the wrong section of the forum ????

probably, but then none of the mods have moved it so maybe it wasn't very clear in the post... we had name down originally but can't make it so haven't had details of venue... just making an assumption based on the impression i got from the original meet post...

11 Nov 2009

I just feel it gives out the wrong signals and at the end of the day I know they have to cover costs however if they were bothered about cost then surly the would charge for women? As far as I know it is in a pub and no different to any other social.
If its down as a social then it should be fair and square that everyone pays same price unless they are hoping for it to be more than just a social in which case they are misleading people. dunno

11 Nov 2009

Agreed....
If it is in a pub then admission price should be the same across the board and as its a social they can limit the amount of single guys they invite themselves instead of asking those invited to stump up extra for the privilage....

11 Nov 2009

Quote by two-4-more
I dont think the person running the social is doing this to make money... though i'm not sure if this social is being held at a club so maybe the prices are what the club are charging and so the organisers hands are tied???
If it is at a club - which i think it is - then nobody has moaned about other club meets such as the chams social which has differing prices for couples males females....
if it isn't at a club then maybe a fairer pricing policy would be couples Â£6 Males/Females Â£4... but then as a couple we'd be biased lol

Fair? How is that fair? dunno

Why Â£6 and Â£4?
Why not just charge every Â£3 regardless of their status? You know, per person. One person takes up the same space as the next person regardless of whether you have a wedding ring on or not. I don't think single females should get in anywhere for free just because they're single and a female. I pay my way regardless of where I go and to make single blokes pay more than couples and single females is just downright rude. I'm sure someone will come back with the supply and demand line but quite frankly it just doesn't sit right with me. I'm not for supply and I don't want to be in demand. I want to pay my share equally like the next person regardless of whether or not I have a partner on my arm.
Makes my blood boil this topic so I'm going bow out before I get my knickers twisted. :giggle:

11 Nov 2009

Below is the link for the thread.
http://new.swingingheaven.co.uk/swingers-forum/viewtopic/299718.html
Personally i think it could of been made a little clearer in the opening post so to let everybody know its in a club(if it is) and do clubs allow disco's? Saying that, its a very cheap club if only charging people Â£4 to get in. lol

If it's not, then why the difference in price??

11 Nov 2009

We've been to several socials in differing areas of the country but each time the pricing structure has seemed fair. Couples Â£5 or Â£6 then single males and single females paying or Â£3.
Maybe I'm a little niave but I always assumed all socials and munches organised away from actual swinging clubs offered the fair price structure to everyone.

11 Nov 2009

Quote by Lilmiss
Maybe this is why the organisers are PM-ing the prices to people instead of stating it in the information given when you put your name down.

Where a moderator might have had something to say about SH guidelines on socials, you mean? confused

Hmmmmm. ;) The only acceptable reason for different pricing would be for a club social where policy is set by the club. If it's not a club social, I think the differential pricing structure they're aiming for would be against the rules? It's always been priced per head regardless of sex or status at every single event I've ever been to?
N x x x ;)

11 Nov 2009

But if this is being held in a club,won't the club also be charging an entrance fee on top of what the organisers are also charging?
This is the reason we no longer go to socials,most of the time they are jointly set up with club owners just to get people through their doors,when the original idea of socials and munch's was to meet like minded people in a neutral vanilla location just to socialise and nothing more!

11 Nov 2009

http://new.swingingheaven.co.uk/swingers-forum/viewtopic/299741.html
A properly advertised club social....
Admission prices are set by the club and everyone knows from the outset....

11 Nov 2009

Where people wish to organise a social event, we allow you to do your own thing, which is correct.
Why should we dictate how you want to enjoy yourselves? However, due to recent circumstances, we have decided that certain conditions will apply to social events and parties publicised through Swinging Heaven. These are as follows:
1. The event is the responsibility of the organiser and a list of attendees is to be made available if requested.
2. If you know that banned people are attending you should state that this is the case as soon as known in the opening post.
Swinging Heaven is run for the good and benefit of its members, not anyone else. Wherever possible we endeavour to ensure that when you go to either a Munch or a Social, you can go knowing you will feel safe in the company of those attending.
Updated by admin 18 Nov 2008:
Its is ok to organise an event for charity provided that you are not making a profit either directly or indirectly, receipts etc must be made available if requested.
Its unacceptable for contributions to be mandatory, so if a social has a charity element included, then all contributions should be voluntary and not form an integral part of the cost for the night. To avoid confusion, this needs to be made clear at the time of posting, together with the exact costs (if any).

http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/swingers-forum/viewtopic/65788.html
Those are the official guidelines.
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My personal view is that any one arranging any thing on this site, where a charge may be made, should be very clear & up front about it in the first post.
ie along the lines of,
a door charge of Â£(x) per person will be made, or
a glass will be passed around during the evening to cover costs, or
for a club meet Â£(x) for females, male, couples will be charged, (generally the club owner has set the prices) it is well known that (generally) anyone off this site arranging anything in a club gets in free, as a 'thankyou' from the club owners for bringing (x) number of SHers to the club @ Â£(x), doesn't take much to work out the value of a club thread on here.!!
Again the thing I personally HATE are the socials (and hence the reason I won't go to any) in a pub type venue that charges say Â£3 per head door charge, have 100 or so attending, the room and Dj (if there is one) are free of charge, no costs as such, say Â£30, and no accountability for where the rest of the money goes, I HATE it.

11 Nov 2009

we are on the list to go to the social and i have now seen the email giving info about where it is etc
i know im not allowed to say that info but i will say that in the email the place and prices are all very clear as to what sort of place it is and the prices per type of person attending (eg, cpl, fem, male)
i hope im ok to have posted this on the thread
if im not then il delete it

11 Nov 2009

Quote by Sarah
Where people wish to organise a social event, we allow you to do your own thing, which is correct.
Why should we dictate how you want to enjoy yourselves? However, due to recent circumstances, we have decided that certain conditions will apply to social events and parties publicised through Swinging Heaven. These are as follows:
1. The event is the responsibility of the organiser and a list of attendees is to be made available if requested.
2. If you know that banned people are attending you should state that this is the case as soon as known in the opening post.
Swinging Heaven is run for the good and benefit of its members, not anyone else. Wherever possible we endeavour to ensure that when you go to either a Munch or a Social, you can go knowing you will feel safe in the company of those attending.
Updated by admin 18 Nov 2008:
Its is ok to organise an event for charity provided that you are not making a profit either directly or indirectly, receipts etc must be made available if requested.
Its unacceptable for contributions to be mandatory, so if a social has a charity element included, then all contributions should be voluntary and not form an integral part of the cost for the night. To avoid confusion, this needs to be made clear at the time of posting, together with the exact costs (if any).

http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/swingers-forum/viewtopic/65788.html
Those are the official guidelines.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
My personal view is that any one arranging any thing on this site, where a charge may be made, should be very clear & up front about it in the first post.
ie along the lines of,
a door charge of Â£(x) per person will be made, or
a glass will be passed around during the evening to cover costs, or
for a club meet Â£(x) for females, male, couples will be charged, (generally the club owner has set the prices) it is well known that (generally) anyone off this site arranging anything in a club gets in free, as a 'thankyou' from the club owners for bringing (x) number of SHers to the club @ Â£(x), doesn't take much to work out the value of a club thread on here.!!
Again the thing I personally HATE are the socials (and hence the reason I won't go to any) in a pub type venue that charges say Â£3 per head door charge, have 100 or so attending, the room and Dj (if there is one) are free of charge, no costs as such, say Â£30, and no accountability for where the rest of the money goes, I HATE it.
so some organisers are making money out of us ...hadnt realised that as iv never booked a room for any type of event so had no idea of how much rooms cost to hire!!

11 Nov 2009

Quote by danne-gary
we are on the list to go to the social and i have now seen the email giving info about where it is etc
i know im not allowed to say that info but i will say that in the email the place and prices are all very clear as to what sort of place it is and the prices per type of person attending (eg, cpl, fem, male)
i hope im ok to have posted this on the thread
if im not then il delete it

That is fine with what you have posted.
But I 'think' the general grip is that is is not made clear on the 1st post of a thread, which IMO is where it should be, not in an email or pm sent out a little bit later on.

11 Nov 2009

Quote by Sarah
But I 'think' the general grip is that is is not made clear on the 1st post of a thread, which IMO is where it should be, not in an email or pm sent out a little bit later on.

That would be my issue :thumbup:
If I was on the guest list, I would now be saying I wouldn't go.
As for charging differently if you are female/male/couple, no way do I think that is fair!

11 Nov 2009

Does this not make a case for speaking to the organiser then to clarify exactly what the charges are for and why there is a difference depending on gender ?

11 Nov 2009

Quote by Dawnie
But I 'think' the general grip is that is is not made clear on the 1st post of a thread, which IMO is where it should be, not in an email or pm sent out a little bit later on.

That would be my issue :thumbup:
If I was on the guest list, I would now be saying I wouldn't go.
As for charging differently if you are female/male/couple, no way do I think that is fair!
how far do you want to go?