Contreversial maybe but here goes
What the fuck is that all about??
Had a mass debate with my lovely partner the other day, unfortunately it wasn't a masturbate!!!
I haven't got kids, never will
I haven't added numbers to our free education system
I haven't added numbers to our free health service
I haven't added potential numbers to our dole queues
I haven't added potential criminals to the justice system
I have never asked my council for subsidised housing
Yet my tax's pay for all of these yet people that breed get paid a bonus for it!! What the fuck is that all about. Surely by not adding to the governments expenses i should be paid non child allowance!!!!!!!! I personally think the Chinese have the right idea, penalising people that procreate!!
McGuinness now looks forward to a swinging heaven life of being snubbed and slagged down but i had to get it off my chest
By the way you are also better off under current government policy not having equity in your property, savings or a pension
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Yes, but when you get old and stop earning, other people's kids will have to pay taxation to support the expenses you're not paying (police, army, etc). If you'd had kids, you could've lessenned the burden on others. ;)
Yes, but are you willing to gamble that the current government will still be in power when any of us retire/die?
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By the way you are also better off under current government policy not having equity in your property, savings or a pension
Yes, but are you willing to gamble that the current government will still be in power when any of us retire/die?
so whos gona pay your pension then !!!
Whose gona run the electrical grid that will light and heat up your house when you to old to work.
Whose gona empty your bins in the future.
Whose gona do anything....answer is ofcasue easy...the children of today.
No on asks or forces you to have children, and many of us take no handouts as we work and can afford it. However I do not begrudge the less fortunate than me from
useing my taxes to build a better world.
Whose gona run the electrical grid that will light and heat up your house when you to old to work.
Whose gona empty your bins in the future.
Whose gona do anything....answer is ofcasue easy...the children of today.
No on asks or forces you to have children, and many of us take no handouts as we work and can afford it. However I do not begrudge the less fortunate than me from
useing my taxes to build a better world.
:P Perhaps it's the child allowance that we do get in this country that prevents the hordes of street kids you find in other countries like Brazil, the State and South Africa to name a few.
As for the numbers on the free health service, well as a parent to a 5 year old heart patient I'd like to say, thank you for your contribution.
My measly £650 a month NI and taxes could only have covered a very small portion of the cost thus far.
As for the numbers on the free health service, well as a parent to a 5 year old heart patient I'd like to say, thank you for your contribution.
My measly £650 a month NI and taxes could only have covered a very small portion of the cost thus far.
It's actually called Child Benefit and for those that are as skint as me, that extra £11 a week can make the world of difference.
My argument is should every parent get it? I think it should be means-tested like all other benefits. The likes of Posh n Becks can get it! As if they need it?!
If they made it means-tested then they could give more to people that really need it. Pisses me right off tbh.
Btw, i don't get a single penny in maintenance from my daughter's dad and haven't done for more than 3 1/2 years. Maybe if he coughed up and took responsibilty for his off-spring, or the CSA got their arses into gear I wouldn't need the benefits that precious tax-payers whinge on about so much.
My argument is should every parent get it? I think it should be means-tested like all other benefits. The likes of Posh n Becks can get it! As if they need it?!
If they made it means-tested then they could give more to people that really need it. Pisses me right off tbh.
Btw, i don't get a single penny in maintenance from my daughter's dad and haven't done for more than 3 1/2 years. Maybe if he coughed up and took responsibilty for his off-spring, or the CSA got their arses into gear I wouldn't need the benefits that precious tax-payers whinge on about so much.
Did anyone see the fuss the other month when a government minister said (and I paraphrase)
'Women taking time out to have children is not only a matter of personal choice, but also an economic necessity for the future of the country'
The gist of the speech was that society should be investing MORE in families, and the attitude of society, and employers in particular, that the proverbial 'housewife' was nothing but an economic burden should be challenged.
What a furore was caused, so many people up in harms claiming that they had been told to have babies for the sake of the state!
Talk about negative spin!
lhk
That should, of course be "up in arms"
'Women taking time out to have children is not only a matter of personal choice, but also an economic necessity for the future of the country'
The gist of the speech was that society should be investing MORE in families, and the attitude of society, and employers in particular, that the proverbial 'housewife' was nothing but an economic burden should be challenged.
What a furore was caused, so many people up in harms claiming that they had been told to have babies for the sake of the state!
Talk about negative spin!
lhk
That should, of course be "up in arms"
yes but if i wasn't subsidising other peoples kids then my tax's would more than pay for my pension, plus with my condition i ain't going to get old.
My partner countered with "What about your health problems due to booze?"
Ermm as well as paying VAT on my booze i pay alcohol excise duty, my life expectency is less than a non alcoholic (less time in hospital with elderly degeneration illness, no pension costs), how does my drinking constitute a burden on society?
My partner countered with "What about your health problems due to booze?"
Ermm as well as paying VAT on my booze i pay alcohol excise duty, my life expectency is less than a non alcoholic (less time in hospital with elderly degeneration illness, no pension costs), how does my drinking constitute a burden on society?
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Yes, but when you get old and stop earning, other people's kids will have to pay taxation to support the expenses you're not paying (police, army, etc). If you'd had kids, you could've lessenned the burden on others. ;)
By the way you are also better off under current government policy not having equity in your property, savings or a pension
Yes, but are you willing to gamble that the current government will still be in power when any of us retire/die?
If our army was concentrated on defending the UK rather than oil then maybe it would cost less and our brave soldiers would be properly equipped (according to many newspapers our troops are ill trained and ill equipped, maybe if we only defended against real threats to the UK (rather than what Dubya tells Tony is a threat) then we could target the military budget to get quality training and equipment
Quote by McGuinness
yes but if i wasn't subsidising other peoples kids then my tax's would more than pay for my pension, plus with my condition i ain't going to get old.
No, because by that time the only taxes you'll be paying will be council tax and VAT, which won't cover your weekly state pension.
Or perhaps you were thinking the government would collect your money now, sit on it (or "invest" it) for 10/20/30/40 years, then give it back?
:lol: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: 
I'm sorry but that's a fantasy world, the same one in which politicians are respected and we don't change the channel when a party political comes on. 'Women taking time out to have children is not only a matter of personal choice, but also an economic necessity for the future of the country'
I strongly believe in that too. Like others have said already, who is going to staff the nursing home you may need when you are old? Who are the doctors, nurses, other taxpaying workers going to be when you draw your pension? It's our children. If that means the government using a little of their tax income investing in those children it can only be a good thing in the long run.
I'm not even going to go there on the issue of single parents who stay at home to care for their children, I am one and I have incredibly good reasons for not wanting and actually not being able to go to work.
I do agree that Child Benefit should be means tested, the very wealthy have no need for any extra money and that cash could be channelled into another good cause which needs it.
Who can seriously say that they have happy memories of mum and dad going to work? No the happy memories are when mum and dad are there having fun with you!
I strongly believe in that too. Like others have said already, who is going to staff the nursing home you may need when you are old? Who are the doctors, nurses, other taxpaying workers going to be when you draw your pension? It's our children. If that means the government using a little of their tax income investing in those children it can only be a good thing in the long run.
I'm not even going to go there on the issue of single parents who stay at home to care for their children, I am one and I have incredibly good reasons for not wanting and actually not being able to go to work.
I do agree that Child Benefit should be means tested, the very wealthy have no need for any extra money and that cash could be channelled into another good cause which needs it.
Who can seriously say that they have happy memories of mum and dad going to work? No the happy memories are when mum and dad are there having fun with you!
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But when you are old and infirm you will need our children to provide you with medical care, housing and all the other services that society provides.
I have paid enough tax's to cover my medical care i am even willing to forsake the tax i pay to the NHS and go private, unfortunately the government does not give us the option to not contribute to the NHS, we have to pay tax's to NHS and go private
Housing, i have bought my own house no aid from the state, it will be my house that i have paid for no government hand in that, however if i end up in care my house will be sold and pay for my care rather than my tax's
Tax credits are means tested, and the universal child benefit accounts for less than 1/2 of 1% of the tax burden. No party is going to be seen to be hurting the financial position of mothers for such a trivial saving.
It's not really a related area but:
Real threats to the UK ? There are no real military threats to UK soil. Who's going to invade ? France ?
It's not really a related area but:
Real threats to the UK ? There are no real military threats to UK soil. Who's going to invade ? France ?
Quote by Marya
It's actually called Child Benefit and for those that are as skint as me, that extra £11 a week can make the world of difference.
My argument is should every parent get it? I think it should be means-tested like all other benefits. The likes of Posh n Becks can get it! As if they need it?!
If they made it means-tested then they could give more to people that really need it. Pisses me right off tbh.
Btw, i don't get a single penny in maintenance from my daughter's dad and haven't done for more than 3 1/2 years. Maybe if he coughed up and took responsibilty for his off-spring, or the CSA got their arses into gear I wouldn't need the benefits that precious tax-payers whinge on about so much.
Maybe people who can't afford to bring up a child unaided should invest in condoms!
I agree it should be means tested, should not be automatic and should be limited to one child benefit per person if people choose to have more than one kid why keep paying them so that it becomes a source of income rather than getting a job!
By the way if people chase the fathers of kids down the CSA will act, become a nuisance to the CSA if you chase them up, put in complaints about their inefficiency, complain to your MP, ring them every day, write to them every day, they will get off their ass and chase the father. Believe me i have seen it in action it took a lot of phonecalls, e-mails and letters but eventually you can stop the CSA's inefficiency. By letting them slack and not chasing them up you are letting them get away with it
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Quote by McGuinness
By the way if people chase the fathers of kids down the CSA will act, become a nuisance to the CSA if you chase them up, put in complaints about their inefficiency, complain to your MP, ring them every day, write to them every day, they will get off their ass and chase the father. Believe me i have seen it in action it took a lot of phonecalls, e-mails and letters but eventually you can stop the CSA's inefficiency. By letting them slack and not chasing them up you are letting them get away with it
Sometimes that is just far more hassle than its worth... and when you find that everytime they catch up with the father, he suddenly becomes unemployed in order to evade paying, you decide to stop wasting your time and put the efforts into bringing up your children instead.
Quote by McGuinness
I have paid enough tax's to cover my medical care i am even willing to forsake the tax i pay to the NHS and go private, unfortunately the government does not give us the option to not contribute to the NHS, we have to pay tax's to NHS and go private
You cannot have any conception of what it costs to treat a chronic condition if you believe that to be the case. My NI contribution is 2400 per annum, give or take, my private physiotherapy costs £1400 a year, and that's a relatively inexpensive treatment to undertake privately.
btw: taxes not tax's
Quote by McGuinness
Maybe people who can't afford to bring up a child unaided should invest in condoms!
I agree it should be means tested, should not be automatic and should be limited to one child benefit per person if people choose to have more than one kid why keep paying them so that it becomes a source of income rather than getting a job!
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:And once the child is born and years down the line when your life situation changes and it's too late to put the little f*cker back into the condom?
Quote by Libra-Love
how does my drinking constitute a burden on society?
Perhaps you're less productive than you should be, due to the alcohol?
Bollocks i work 6 days a week
Pay all my tax's
Pay all covert tax's ie petrol, alcohol duty, council tax, road tax etc
I drink but it has never effected my ability to contribute to society
Number of days off sick nil - im pay as you go if i don't work i don't get paid if everyone was in this situation there would be a lot less shirkers and a lot more workers, number of days unemployed, 1, did i claim allowance, did i bollocks!! Numbers of days a burden to the health service 0
I don't think parents should be penalised for their efforts but why reward them indefinately
Quote by McGuinness
how does my drinking constitute a burden on society?
Perhaps you're less productive than you should be, due to the alcohol?
Bollocks i work 6 days a week
Pay all my tax's
Pay all covert tax's ie petrol, alcohol duty, council tax, road tax etc
I drink but it has never effected my ability to contribute to society
Number of days off sick nil - im pay as you go if i don't work i don't get paid if everyone was in this situation there would be a lot less shirkers and a lot more workers, number of days unemployed, 1, did i claim allowance, did i bollocks!! Numbers of days a burden to the health service 0
I don't think parents should be penalised for their efforts but why reward them indefinately
My first ex-husband was an alcoholic who never took a day off work either. But his productivity was not to the same standards as his collegues, though he would have argued you blue in the face on that one. Pretty much like you just have.
Quote by Libra-Love
how does my drinking constitute a burden on society?
Perhaps you're less productive than you should be, due to the alcohol?
Bollocks i work 6 days a week
Pay all my tax's
Pay all covert tax's ie petrol, alcohol duty, council tax, road tax etc
I drink but it has never effected my ability to contribute to society
Number of days off sick nil - im pay as you go if i don't work i don't get paid if everyone was in this situation there would be a lot less shirkers and a lot more workers, number of days unemployed, 1, did i claim allowance, did i bollocks!! Numbers of days a burden to the health service 0
I don't think parents should be penalised for their efforts but why reward them indefinately
My first ex-husband was an alcoholic who never took a day off work either. But his productivity was not to the same standards as his collegues, though he would have argued you blue in the face on that one. Pretty much like you just have.
Like i stated i am pay as you go on a day to day basis, if i was not productive one day i would not be asked back the next. So far each day i am asked back
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You chase the fucking CSA up I'm too busy caring for my kids! It's been 2 years now and they have done fuck all.
off to cool down now before I am kicked off this forum
So you are too busy to chase up the CSA by e-mail yet you can post 7 (average) posts a day on a swinging site!!!
Well thank you for restoring the faith in us non parent taxpayers
