Is climate change really here, or just the natural cycle of the Earth?
I am a bit of a sceptic here. Are cars really to blame for the Earths sudden heat up, or just another way of extorting money from everyone? The experts reckon they are 90% sure of global warming but that is a long way from being 100%.
Does turning off a lightbulb really make a difference? Are we all being duped? Wonder what others views on this subject are. With the introduction of higher road tax for 4x4's as they are said to polute more, I know somebody who has a BMW x5, which produces zero emmisions. If it is all about polution why does a car that does not polute, still have to pay nearly £400?
Rip off or a justified reason?
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Climate change- fact or fiction?
Sex God
I'm not really sure about this. I live opposite a field full of cows all year round and I have discovered that they emit more pollutant in their natural gases than I could ever hope to reverse by recycling so it kind of makes me think..why bother 
Global warming is part of natural cycle.
May be because we have more technology and are more savvy about these things and the fact it is more widely reported in the press, it gets more of our attention.
Why send a bloody britain into space for 25m each!!! Spend that money on finding alternative energies to coal oil gas and nuclear and if you want to explore somewhere try the oceans we know so very little about them....and they might help us uncover the warming with our climate as they act as vast carbon sinks.
rant over!!!!
May be because we have more technology and are more savvy about these things and the fact it is more widely reported in the press, it gets more of our attention.
Why send a bloody britain into space for 25m each!!! Spend that money on finding alternative energies to coal oil gas and nuclear and if you want to explore somewhere try the oceans we know so very little about them....and they might help us uncover the warming with our climate as they act as vast carbon sinks.
rant over!!!!
Sex God
Climate change happens, funny how the moon follows the same trend as this planet, its a known fact that the ocean gives off a most of the CO2 when it gets warmer, take a look back through history, its all happened before.
Now for the politicians its an opportunity and rumour has it that Maggie Thatcher started the ball rolling, what is true is hard to tell when there's so much funding available to Scientists to look for the effects of global warming, thats pretty obvious but I do think they go a bit far in the extrapolation, causes are the biggest misleading factor in my opinion, we are lead to believe that its us when the most likely candidate is the sun, I think mankind as a whole overestimates what we are capable of against natural causes at times.
Now polution, conservation of resources and throwing all sorts of crpa into the atmosphere is something to be concerened about, while I don't buy the global warming caused by man fiasco, were not exactly squeaky clean or being great custodians of the planet, I do think that the whole CO2 thing is a red herring though.
Now for the politicians its an opportunity and rumour has it that Maggie Thatcher started the ball rolling, what is true is hard to tell when there's so much funding available to Scientists to look for the effects of global warming, thats pretty obvious but I do think they go a bit far in the extrapolation, causes are the biggest misleading factor in my opinion, we are lead to believe that its us when the most likely candidate is the sun, I think mankind as a whole overestimates what we are capable of against natural causes at times.
Now polution, conservation of resources and throwing all sorts of crpa into the atmosphere is something to be concerened about, while I don't buy the global warming caused by man fiasco, were not exactly squeaky clean or being great custodians of the planet, I do think that the whole CO2 thing is a red herring though.
Sex God
Those high and mighty want us to beleive that if we do this and that and tother we will save the planet,
recycling, walking instead of driving, saving energy, saving money, It may add extra days/months/years onto Earths life but it cant last forever
Nothing lasts forever no matter what you do, This world will die out and a new world will be reborn
Earths natural process if you like
recycling, walking instead of driving, saving energy, saving money, It may add extra days/months/years onto Earths life but it cant last forever
Nothing lasts forever no matter what you do, This world will die out and a new world will be reborn
Earths natural process if you like
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Those high and mighty want us to beleive that if we do this and that and tother we will save the planet,
recycling, walking instead of driving, saving energy, saving money, It may add extra days/months/years onto Earths life but it cant last forever
Nothing lasts forever no matter what you do, This world will die out and a new world will be reborn
Earths natural process if you like
When you put it like that, we all may as well party, get drunk and more importantly get laid as much as possible
Warming the Bed
Wow !
Okay I had not expected so many sensible responses. Actually I dont know why I had that prejeduice so sorry.
Yep Global Warming and our effect on the world. Hmm well big science ( as sponsored by A.n. Policy Maker ) would like to talk about holes and tides and rain falls and frankly talks an awful lot of "facts" which is wierd since we cant even accurately determine weather over more than a few days.
Then theres the physicists who point out that the if you represented the amount of time man spent on earth as the length of this post it would be no more than a full stop in width. Weve barely been on this planet yet we presume we can have such a huge impact? Oh and lets remind ourselves that the developed world represents less than 30% of humanity on the planet and even that has some pretty broad terms.
So theres plenty if evidence that we probably dont have the big picture in mind.
Does any of that mean we shouldnt be living in a socially responsible way. That we shouldnt be tidying up after ourselves and using resources with responsibility ? no not at all. We shouldnt be bullied or guilted into doing it either though.
just my 10 pence.
For a wide definition of accuracy.
Okay I had not expected so many sensible responses. Actually I dont know why I had that prejeduice so sorry.
Yep Global Warming and our effect on the world. Hmm well big science ( as sponsored by A.n. Policy Maker ) would like to talk about holes and tides and rain falls and frankly talks an awful lot of "facts" which is wierd since we cant even accurately determine weather over more than a few days.
Then theres the physicists who point out that the if you represented the amount of time man spent on earth as the length of this post it would be no more than a full stop in width. Weve barely been on this planet yet we presume we can have such a huge impact? Oh and lets remind ourselves that the developed world represents less than 30% of humanity on the planet and even that has some pretty broad terms.
So theres plenty if evidence that we probably dont have the big picture in mind.
Does any of that mean we shouldnt be living in a socially responsible way. That we shouldnt be tidying up after ourselves and using resources with responsibility ? no not at all. We shouldnt be bullied or guilted into doing it either though.
just my 10 pence.
For a wide definition of accuracy.
Quote by plumfabio
Those high and mighty want us to beleive that if we do this and that and tother we will save the planet,
recycling, walking instead of driving, saving energy, saving money, It may add extra days/months/years onto Earths life but it cant last forever
Nothing lasts forever no matter what you do, This world will die out and a new world will be reborn
Earths natural process if you like
When you put it like that, we all may as well party, get drunk and more importantly get laid as much as possible
I do that as often as possible anyway!! :lol: :lol:
Sex God
I wonder where the air passenger duty (green tax) is going? You know the tax that Ryanair and Squeezy Jet keep moaning on about - the tax we all pay when flying into/ out of the UK. It is supposed to be going into the war on terr- oops sorry the battle against global warming - or is it climate change now? Yes, climate Change - so that every change of the weather can be blamed on us. We are such an obliging and law abiding nation aren't we - is it any wonder consecutive governments con and cheat us repeatedly knowing that we will just plod on in that British accepting way.
Personally, I think this whole thing is one of the biggest cons ever levelled on the human race because methane (the worst greenhouse gas of all) is spewed out by the billions of tons every year by volcanic activity and just one big eruption spews out more greenhouse gases than the whole of Europe.
King Canute was the last person who believed that humans (well him in particular) could control the earths natural cycles and look what a dick head we think he is now !!
Who's up for a revolution???? !!!!
Personally, I think this whole thing is one of the biggest cons ever levelled on the human race because methane (the worst greenhouse gas of all) is spewed out by the billions of tons every year by volcanic activity and just one big eruption spews out more greenhouse gases than the whole of Europe.
King Canute was the last person who believed that humans (well him in particular) could control the earths natural cycles and look what a dick head we think he is now !!
Who's up for a revolution???? !!!!
Sex God
actually been having the same type of conversation on another website......
so here is my contribution to this....
so here is my contribution to this....
Sex God
Quote by flower411
Those high and mighty want us to beleive that if we do this and that and tother we will save the planet,
recycling, walking instead of driving, saving energy, saving money, It may add extra days/months/years onto Earths life but it cant last forever
Nothing lasts forever no matter what you do, This world will die out and a new world will be reborn
Earths natural process if you like
When you put it like that, we all may as well party, get drunk and more importantly get laid as much as possible
Yep. I heard somebody on the radio yesterday who said
" If you are travelling on the Titanic, you may as well travel first class " !!
Treat everyday like its your last
i try to
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Is climate change really here, or just the natural cycle of the Earth?
Attending to climate change is a win win solution, if it's not real your trying to save the planet didn't matter anyway, but if it is real, (and it almost certainly is), then better to try now than cry when it's too late.
I've traded down to a small car and I love it. 67 mpg, £35 road tax, £126 fully comp, easily parked, cruises at 80, what more do I need! I'd like an electric one, and with battery technology coming along it won't be long.
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Is climate change really here, or just the natural cycle of the Earth?
Attending to climate change is a win win solution, if it's not real your trying to save the planet didn't matter anyway, but if it is real, (and it almost certainly is), then better to try now than cry when it's too late.
I've traded down to a small car and I love it. 67 mpg, £35 road tax, £126 fully comp, easily parked, cruises at 80, what more do I need! I'd like an electric one, and with battery technology coming along it won't be long.
Well I still prefere a 4.2 litre Jaguar, and me carbon footprint? Left mine at work.
Sex God
Quote by musketeer
Is climate change really here, or just the natural cycle of the Earth?
Attending to climate change is a win win solution, if it's not real your trying to save the planet didn't matter anyway, but if it is real, (and it almost certainly is), then better to try now than cry when it's too late.
I've traded down to a small car and I love it. 67 mpg, £35 road tax, £126 fully comp, easily parked, cruises at 80, what more do I need! I'd like an electric one, and with battery technology coming along it won't be long.
What car do you have?
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Is climate change really here, or just the natural cycle of the Earth?
Attending to climate change is a win win solution, if it's not real your trying to save the planet didn't matter anyway, but if it is real, (and it almost certainly is), then better to try now than cry when it's too late.
I've traded down to a small car and I love it. 67 mpg, £35 road tax, £126 fully comp, easily parked, cruises at 80, what more do I need! I'd like an electric one, and with battery technology coming along it won't be long.
What car do you have?
Freckle I have a 2.3 litre Honda Accord. Now when I brought this car 4 years ago the emmissions were so low I got a refund on my road tax. This car has a catalytic convertor on it. Now I pay more than my firms diesel van. Think it is now £205?
So if it all about emmissions and mine are very low, why do I pay the higher rate of road tax? It's a con pure and simple. I know people are going to say it's because it is a big engine but....I am paying twice. If i get 33 miles to a gallon and fill up it may cost me £60, of which 67p in every pound is taken by the Government, and a yearly rate of £200+ in road tax. But if i had a smaller car I would pay much less. If everyone drove around in a 1 litre car doing 80 to a gallon and low road tax, how much revenue would the government lose? LOTS. How would they get back the millions of pounds they would lose? They would tax the smaller car higher, and up the road tax, as it has to come from somewhere.
They want people to have big cars as they can take more tax and more fuel duty off them!!
OK.............
Dunno bout u but I think I got 3 score and ten mebbe a few more.
Who gives a flying fuck what happens after that?
And before u say lets think of the children, if we had any idea how to control the future there is a lot more we could be doing now for the poor sods who drink contaminated water than what the world will be like in 100 yrs time.
My view is lets save the kids now and not worry about the kids of the kids of the kids.
Yaknow 80% of the world dont get clean water an we spend a quid a bottle on mineral water sad innit.
Dunno bout u but I think I got 3 score and ten mebbe a few more.
Who gives a flying fuck what happens after that?
And before u say lets think of the children, if we had any idea how to control the future there is a lot more we could be doing now for the poor sods who drink contaminated water than what the world will be like in 100 yrs time.
My view is lets save the kids now and not worry about the kids of the kids of the kids.
Yaknow 80% of the world dont get clean water an we spend a quid a bottle on mineral water sad innit.
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OK.............
Dunno bout u but I think I got 3 score and ten mebbe a few more.
Who gives a flying fuck what happens after that?
And before u say lets think of the children, if we had any idea how to control the future there is a lot more we could be doing now for the poor sods who drink contaminated water than what the world will be like in 100 yrs time.
My view is lets save the kids now and not worry about the kids of the kids of the kids.
Yaknow 80% of the world dont get clean water an we spend a quid a bottle on mineral water sad innit.
Call me a sceptic here, but mineral water? More like straight from the tap in a lot of cases!!
:lol: Sex God
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OK.............
Dunno bout u but I think I got 3 score and ten mebbe a few more.
Who gives a flying fuck what happens after that?
And before u say lets think of the children, if we had any idea how to control the future there is a lot more we could be doing now for the poor sods who drink contaminated water than what the world will be like in 100 yrs time.
My view is lets save the kids now and not worry about the kids of the kids of the kids.
Yaknow 80% of the world dont get clean water an we spend a quid a bottle on mineral water sad innit.
Call me a sceptic here, but mineral water? More like straight from the tap in a lot of cases!!
:lol:certainly not my tap water, its horrid - full of limescale in clumps as well as little particles
i take around 3 teaspoons of furred limescale out my kettle every 2 or 3 days :bleugh:
I studied climate change towards part of my degree in Natural Science last year and though we are coming towards the end of an ice age and the planet naturally warms again, it can’t be attributed to the sudden rises of the last hundred years. Without me producing graphs and going into the science, tree fossil records etc, it's hard to explain, however I did read some very good journals recently that argued against the fact we have caused this sudden change? And the paper was openly as convincing in some aspects.
IMHO Humanity is indeed having an impact to what extent you'd have to ask a real scientist but is it really worth the risk to our children and grandchildren. We say ignorance is bliss but the impact could be catastrophic.
I have at least tried to adapt a little. Every room has energy efficient bulbs. I recycle all green waste in a compost bin and recycle all paper/glass/plastics.
I'd love to have a small wind turbine and solar panel fitted to the house, but until the government give a large grant on these I'll wait... After all the Government taxes on fuel and if we all started using renewable and free energy, that's a lot of revenue lost for them.
At the end of the day everything revolves around money and no amount of climate change will stop the fat cats doing what they like while the rest of us try to adapt or conform (Falsed recycling schemes etc)
Back to the point though. Climate change be it man made or natural is very real.
IMHO Humanity is indeed having an impact to what extent you'd have to ask a real scientist but is it really worth the risk to our children and grandchildren. We say ignorance is bliss but the impact could be catastrophic.
I have at least tried to adapt a little. Every room has energy efficient bulbs. I recycle all green waste in a compost bin and recycle all paper/glass/plastics.
I'd love to have a small wind turbine and solar panel fitted to the house, but until the government give a large grant on these I'll wait... After all the Government taxes on fuel and if we all started using renewable and free energy, that's a lot of revenue lost for them.
At the end of the day everything revolves around money and no amount of climate change will stop the fat cats doing what they like while the rest of us try to adapt or conform (Falsed recycling schemes etc)
Back to the point though. Climate change be it man made or natural is very real.
Largely a load of nonsense in my view. But obviously essential if you wish to completely reinvent new industries and commodities for which you can derive vast profits from.
All those photos of melting glaciers is nonsense. Its one glacier in the southernmost tip of Norway in midsummer, when its supposed to melt.
Why is there a 'hole' in the atmosphere? Surely it should be a thinning of the atmosphiere all round. And where exactly is this hole?
Its mainly manufacturing which cauaes pollution and waste, this will continue with whatever new industries are invented. One of the biggest polluters is the fashion industry.
I do think its unneccesary to have a silly oversized vehicle. Equally I have no desire to be walking about in horse shit.
All those photos of melting glaciers is nonsense. Its one glacier in the southernmost tip of Norway in midsummer, when its supposed to melt.
Why is there a 'hole' in the atmosphere? Surely it should be a thinning of the atmosphiere all round. And where exactly is this hole?
Its mainly manufacturing which cauaes pollution and waste, this will continue with whatever new industries are invented. One of the biggest polluters is the fashion industry.
I do think its unneccesary to have a silly oversized vehicle. Equally I have no desire to be walking about in horse shit.
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Like the original post I am sceptical about the causes of global warming. However, what's the worst that can happen if we don't use are cars as often and burn less oil.
Less pollution and a cleaner planet. That can't be a bad thing can it?
That means I would have to use the smelly trains...yuk what a thought.
i see porsche are challenging Mad Ken's emissions tax.
If you pay car tax and cannot drive it on the roads you pay tax for because of another tax imposed by that town or city, are your human rights being abused?.
And should road tax funds not be used to repav or fix transport scheme in the area that is taxing people to enter it already.
If you pay car tax and cannot drive it on the roads you pay tax for because of another tax imposed by that town or city, are your human rights being abused?.
And should road tax funds not be used to repav or fix transport scheme in the area that is taxing people to enter it already.
They say that driving our cars and our carbon footprint and breathing!! is melting the ice caps and will make the sea's rise and flood parts of the world, however
Put a ice cube in a glass and fill to the brim with water, and leave the ice cube to melt..does it over flow....no because it's about displacement of the mass
Put a ice cube in a glass and fill to the brim with water, and leave the ice cube to melt..does it over flow....no because it's about displacement of the mass
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Put a ice cube in a glass and fill to the brim with water, and leave the ice cube to melt..does it over flow....no because it's about displacement of the mass
Unfortunately, if you melt the ice cube above a full glass then the glass will overflow. There's an awful lot of ice on land in Greenland and Antarctica that will add to the mass of the oceans if it melts.
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Put a ice cube in a glass and fill to the brim with water, and leave the ice cube to melt..does it over flow....no because it's about displacement of the mass
Unfortunately, if you melt the ice cube above a full glass then the glass will overflow. There's an awful lot of ice on land in Greenland and Antarctica that will add to the mass of the oceans if it melts.
IF being the operative word here!! All a load of rubbish designed to extort more money from us. How foolish IF in twenty years time it is all proved to be a load of old crap. Still I have my low energy bulbs, and turn the telly off at night. :shock:
