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Sex God
In my personal opinion it is a matter of personal choice. As an adult if you are concerned about health risks you should investigate the risks and make a personal informed choice.
The facts are not always as the mass media portray them and statistics can be used to show a lot of things so the best answer is to always look it up yourself.
One thing I always fail to understand is the slightly evangelical nature of some people who always insist on condom use. If you always insist on a condom being used then why do you need to worry what everyone else is up to?
Roger
The facts are not always as the mass media portray them and statistics can be used to show a lot of things so the best answer is to always look it up yourself.
One thing I always fail to understand is the slightly evangelical nature of some people who always insist on condom use. If you always insist on a condom being used then why do you need to worry what everyone else is up to?
Roger
Sexlightened
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Sex God
Quote by R n M
How many of you pontificating about using condoms are smokers? Perhaps you'd like to compare the number of deaths caused by this filthy habit with number of deaths caused by unprotected sex? I can quote you figures if you don't want to look them up yourself.
Suffice it to say that smoking is responsible for more premature and avoidable deaths than all the other other cuases PUT TOGETHER. And that includes AIDS and wars.
Sorry to be picky R n M but there are no avoidable deaths, premature ones yes but we all get there in the end regardless.
Master of Sex
Quote by R n M
The number of people contracting HIV and AIDS in the UK is actually decreasing. You are probably being confused by the fact that many people already infected in third world countries are coming here for treatment and a better life expetancy.
I'm not being confused by anything. When I did Outreach, the number of young people who were HIV positive was way too much and it is increasing. As BiWelshMinx says, there are a lot of people who haven't been tested, largely because they take the somewhat unbelievably stupid point of view that it "Won't hapen to them".
I've also yet to meet people from third world countries coming here for treatement for HIV. Whilst there may be some, when statistics are taken, one of the things taken into account is where the person is from.
Quote by mdr2000
Well I never play without wearing a condom unless its with someone i've known for a long time and i'm completely sure we're both safe. I only started playing with the ex-wife bareback after we'd both had blood tests and a full check up from the doctors. I for one don't fancy catching anything itchy , contagious or potentially fatal ( Hep C , HIV , etc ). Besides I think women should realise that the more bareback sex they have with the more partners the greater risk they are in from Cervical cancer ( caused by the HPV Virus that men can carry without showing any symptoms ) or Clamydia which can , and often does , make a women sterile.
If people want to play bareback then thats they're decision and I will never look down on anyone or treat them any different than I do anyone else. Its just that if I do play with them i'll wear a condom to protect myself.
Davie ( off to buy a wet suit and divers helmet .. total safety rofl:lol: )
Holy Smoke................ Nothing personal BigScotsBloke but don't you think thats just a tad unromantic lol........ Something about tonights posts thats just a trifle depressing lol! Everyone is on about blindin nasties you can catch...... Such a huge turn on ...
Mike
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I don't think that OTT at all. I have always went to the local GUM, together with a new partner before getting rid of condoms in a LTR.
Les x
Sexlightened
So glad to see this discussion - even if it has been had before. After all, it intimately (ha ha) concerns what brings us together (unlike smoking). There IS a lot of misinformation about, so it's particularly good when people give links to reputable websites.
I personally belong to the 'better safe than sorry' brigade - or alternatively explore the delights of all the other erogenous zones.....
I personally belong to the 'better safe than sorry' brigade - or alternatively explore the delights of all the other erogenous zones.....
Quote by couple_ne2000
Well I never play without wearing a condom unless its with someone i've known for a long time and i'm completely sure we're both safe. I only started playing with the ex-wife bareback after we'd both had blood tests and a full check up from the doctors. I for one don't fancy catching anything itchy , contagious or potentially fatal ( Hep C , HIV , etc ). Besides I think women should realise that the more bareback sex they have with the more partners the greater risk they are in from Cervical cancer ( caused by the HPV Virus that men can carry without showing any symptoms ) or Clamydia which can , and often does , make a women sterile.
If people want to play bareback then thats they're decision and I will never look down on anyone or treat them any different than I do anyone else. Its just that if I do play with them i'll wear a condom to protect myself.
Davie ( off to buy a wet suit and divers helmet .. total safety rofl
Holy Smoke................ Nothing personal BigScotsBloke but don't you think thats just a tad unromantic lol........ Something about tonights posts thats just a trifle depressing lol! Everyone is on about blindin nasties you can catch...... Such a huge turn on ...
Mike
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I don't think that OTT at all. I have always went to the local GUM, together with a new partner before getting rid of condoms in a LTR.
Les x
Mmm Can just see that lol....... each to there own and believe me I'm not knocking anything you decide to do..... in fact quite sensible I just can't see me ever getting to a point where I would ask a new partner to pop along to the local GUM (clap clinic yeah?) and having the tests done before accepting her lol....... Its a bit like an MOT eh... good for the day it was done and thats it... surely better to know someone and decide rather than a test!!! Who knows what happens right after a test... or what can't be picked up at the time and place by such tests??
Quote by mdr2000
Mmm Can just see that lol....... each to there own and believe me I'm not knocking anything you decide to do..... in fact quite sensible I just can't see me ever getting to a point where I would ask a new partner to pop along to the local GUM (clap clinic yeah?) and having the tests done before accepting her lol....... Its a bit like an MOT eh... good for the day it was done and thats it... surely better to know someone and decide rather than a test!!! Who knows what happens right after a test... or what can't be picked up at the time and place by such tests??
You are correct in saying that it is only good for the day. I would expect that if I was at the point in a relationship where we were no longer going to use a barrier form of contraception then they would consult me about "what happens right after a test".
"Its surely better to know someone" and how do you know someones sexual health, and the sexual health of their previous partners, and the sexual health of their previous partners etc etc.
A person could easily be carrying HIV, Hep B, Hep C (blood borne), Chlamydia, Gonorrohea or even Syphillus without any symptoms.
The tests carried out are very sensitive and selective. Swabs will be taken for Gonorrhea. This is caused by a bacteria (Nesseria gonorrhea). The swab is therefore inocculated onto a growth media which is selective for that bacteria. Any growth after 48hrs is then further tested using genetic markers before informing and treating the patient.
A swab or a urine sample will be taken to test for Chlamydia. PCR is carried out to determine the presence of genetic markers of Chlamydia.
ELLISA methods are used to test for HIV, Hep B and Hep C and Sypillus.......a blood sample is taken. The blood is centrifuged to seperate the cells from the sera and the serum is tested for the presence of antigens to the specific virus (most centres use an antigen/antibody test for HIV). These methods are very specific.
So basically for the sake of a couple of swabs, a container of piss and a couple of tubes of blood, you KNOW you aren't taking any risks with your health, or more importantly with the health of someone you are supposed to love
Les x
Quote by R n M
The number of people contracting HIV and AIDS in the UK is actually decreasing. You are probably being confused by the fact that many people already infected in third world countries are coming here for treatment and a better life expetancy.
It is NOT true to say the rates of people contracting HIV 'domestically' (as I think you're referring to) are decreasing. There was a slight dip in the 1990's but it's back on the INCREASE again now.
And to be honest, the rates of things like syphillis have increased by over 200% in recent years - that's a serious illness in itself. Britain's sexual health is at an all time low, and the blase attitudes of people who spout nonsense such as "it's like having a bath with your wellies on" are responsible for it!!!
Sexlightened
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Sex God
ill give bareback a go as there is no way im going to try riding a horse with a condom on??????
should i have read all this thread before posting?
staggy
should i have read all this thread before posting?
staggy
Something that I've wondered about, having not been to any swingers parties or clubs yet........
When all the fun is going on, do men change condoms for each woman they shag?????
Or is it a case of 'I'm alright Jack' coz they're protected they dont worry about passing from one woman to another without changing????????
When all the fun is going on, do men change condoms for each woman they shag?????
Or is it a case of 'I'm alright Jack' coz they're protected they dont worry about passing from one woman to another without changing????????
Quote by R n M
How many of you pontificating about using condoms are smokers? Perhaps you'd like to compare the number of deaths caused by this filthy habit with number of deaths caused by unprotected sex? I can quote you figures if you don't want to look them up yourself.
Suffice it to say that smoking is responsible for more premature and avoidable deaths than all the other other cuases PUT TOGETHER. And that includes AIDS and wars.
But smoking doesn't pass on infectious and potentially fatal diseases through having sex ( unless you set fire to the duvet of course
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Sexlightened
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Quote by mdr2000
Still not knocking it.......... and as you seem to now what your saying is it now the case that your no longer held on file for having an aids test? Used to be that it was held against you for having one.... insurance etc!
Truly curious.......
Mike
If you go to your GP for ANY test, it is on your medical record. If an insurance company or persective employers etc request your medical records then they will see that you have had an HIV test.
If you go to a GUM clinic you are given a clinic number. This number, along with your DOB are the only things that identify you. Your results are not passed onto your GP unless you want to them. You can even recieve treatment for most conditions, through the GUM, anonomously. This means that unless you inform a third party (insurance company) they can't find out.
Les x
Sex God
Quote by couple_ne2000
Still not knocking it.......... and as you seem to now what your saying is it now the case that your no longer held on file for having an aids test? Used to be that it was held against you for having one.... insurance etc!
Truly curious.......
Mike
If you go to your GP for ANY test, it is on your medical record. If an insurance company or persective employers etc request your medical records then they will see that you have had an HIV test.
If you go to a GUM clinic you are given a clinic number. This number, along with your DOB are the only things that identify you. Your results are not passed onto your GP unless you want to them. You can even recieve treatment for most conditions, through the GUM, anonomously. This means that unless you inform a third party (insurance company) they can't find out.
Les x
if you go to your gp or gu med clinic and the test prooves negative , then you and he do not have to disclose you have even taken a test to any insurance company, this legislation was brought in a few years back following HIV tests leading to descrimination for no good reason.
staggy
Warming the Bed
Quote by tabbi
Something that I've wondered about, having not been to any swingers parties or clubs yet........
When all the fun is going on, do men change condoms for each woman they shag?????
Or is it a case of 'I'm alright Jack' coz they're protected they dont worry about passing from one woman to another without changing????????
Tabbi, a first class point made.....not something I can answer as my 'swinging' life is more wishful thinking and fanciful than real.........come on you practicing swinging guys give Tabbi your answer...it is a very serious point that she makes
:) Quote by wild rose and the stag
Still not knocking it.......... and as you seem to now what your saying is it now the case that your no longer held on file for having an aids test? Used to be that it was held against you for having one.... insurance etc!
Truly curious.......
Mike
If you go to your GP for ANY test, it is on your medical record. If an insurance company or persective employers etc request your medical records then they will see that you have had an HIV test.
If you go to a GUM clinic you are given a clinic number. This number, along with your DOB are the only things that identify you. Your results are not passed onto your GP unless you want to them. You can even recieve treatment for most conditions, through the GUM, anonomously. This means that unless you inform a third party (insurance company) they can't find out.
Les x
if you go to your gp or gu med clinic and the test prooves negative , then you and he do not have to disclose you have even taken a test to any insurance company, this legislation was brought in a few years back following HIV tests leading to descrimination for no good reason.
staggy
Thanks Guys......... honest I really didn't realise the changes had been made. Having said that I have really had no cause to as I have been in what you would call a long term relationship..... 25 years this year... in fact its just passed 25 years Ooops... Slapped on the back of the head!
Mike x
This thread, and the other similar one, while informative, should not be used by anyone unsure of their boundaries to help set limits. The only safe way for people to make up their minds is to research the pros and cons thoroughly and impartially and not rely on the anecdotes of people on a website who are often unknown quantities. It doesn't matter what the majority of people might do or say they do if that goes against your own gut feeling. You are in this scene for yourselves, not for other people, and, so long as you do no one harm on the way, personal lifestyle choices should not be criticised by others who happen to do things differently.
Our personal stand is that we always use condoms but for penetration only. We do not use condoms for oral sex, despite the potential risks, and would not play with people that insisted on them. (We have never, up to now, come across anyone that wanted to use protection for oral sex in 6 years of very frequent club going.) We understand the risks but are prepared to accept those risks to lead a lifestyle that we enjoy. If that comes back to haunt us then so be it - we made an informed choice.
Our personal stand is that we always use condoms but for penetration only. We do not use condoms for oral sex, despite the potential risks, and would not play with people that insisted on them. (We have never, up to now, come across anyone that wanted to use protection for oral sex in 6 years of very frequent club going.) We understand the risks but are prepared to accept those risks to lead a lifestyle that we enjoy. If that comes back to haunt us then so be it - we made an informed choice.
Quote by northwest-cpl
This thread, and the other similar one, while informative, should not be used by anyone unsure of their boundaries to help set limits. The only safe way for people to make up their minds is to research the pros and cons thoroughly and impartially and not rely on the anecdotes of people on a website who are often unknown quantities. It doesn't matter what the majority of people might do or say they do if that goes against your own gut feeling. You are in this scene for yourselves, not for other people, and, so long as you do no one harm on the way, personal lifestyle choices should not be criticised by others who happen to do things differently.
Our personal stand is that we always use condoms but for penetration only. We do not use condoms for oral sex, despite the potential risks, and would not play with people that insisted on them. (We have never, up to now, come across anyone that wanted to use protection for oral sex in 6 years of very frequent club going.) We understand the risks but are prepared to accept those risks to lead a lifestyle that we enjoy. If that comes back to haunt us then so be it - we made an informed choice.
Here here......
Quote by northwest-cpl
This thread, and the other similar one, while informative, should not be used by anyone unsure of their boundaries to help set limits. The only safe way for people to make up their minds is to research the pros and cons thoroughly and impartially and not rely on the anecdotes of people on a website who are often unknown quantities. It doesn't matter what the majority of people might do or say they do if that goes against your own gut feeling. You are in this scene for yourselves, not for other people, and, so long as you do no one harm on the way, personal lifestyle choices should not be criticised by others who happen to do things differently.
Our personal stand is that we always use condoms but for penetration only. We do not use condoms for oral sex, despite the potential risks, and would not play with people that insisted on them. (We have never, up to now, come across anyone that wanted to use protection for oral sex in 6 years of very frequent club going.) We understand the risks but are prepared to accept those risks to lead a lifestyle that we enjoy. If that comes back to haunt us then so be it - we made an informed choice.
Excellent post :thumbup:
Sex God
Quote by Too Hot
African males are broadly strictly heterosexual and aggresive anal sex amongst heterosexuals is a frequent and normal sexual act on the African continent. The vast majority of Afirican women victims contracted HIV through anal sex - whether they choose to admit this or not - most women will not of course admit to this
It is very difficult for a man to contract HIV from a woman when engaging in vaginal or oral sex and also difficult during anal sex unless the anus is sparsely lubricated or the act is very rough resulting in torn skin.
David Soul had what he termed a completely full sexual life with his late wife who had contracted HIV 10 years earlier through a blood transfusion. He was free of HIV and this is the rule rather than the exception.
The carriers of HIV in Europe are bisexual men who receive unprotected anal sex and also practise unprotected vaginal and anal sex.
Notwithstanding this and as we have said on the other thread we would not consider penetrative sex without the use of a condom - there are so many other little infections and diseases out there just waiting to spoil your day.
The quoted post above missed any attention. I think there were some good points made
I wish to state that me and Mrs Tweeky use no protection for the simple reason that THERE IS 100% NO REASON FOR US TO USE IT EVER. Ok I could be worng Mrs Tweeky could have strayed but thats an issue of trust and I trust she hasent
In a swinging situation we would use protection cus it is common sense, however I still stand by whats said above and what I said originaly. Happy to be proved worng though.Heard another lady on the radio on Monday I think it was from one fo the aids charaties (dont remember which one) According to her there could be 6 people in Bristol undiagnosed with H.I.V. 6, better odds than russian roulette or a bet on the national and certainly better odds than smoking.
Mr Tweeky
Sex God
For those of us who have the desire to take part in sex with multiple partners condoms are even average histories and you soon have a daisy chain of partners like an erotic family tree!Much as we may wish it not to be theres much more of a chance of STDs being passed on.
I find condoms fun to use,don't even notice they are there during sex,theres more to me than just that bit of me anyway and theres also the pleasure of seeing and feeling the other persons reaction to it all!
I find condoms fun to use,don't even notice they are there during sex,theres more to me than just that bit of me anyway and theres also the pleasure of seeing and feeling the other persons reaction to it all!
Quote by mdr2000
Well I never play without wearing a condom unless its with someone i've known for a long time and i'm completely sure we're both safe. I only started playing with the ex-wife bareback after we'd both had blood tests and a full check up from the doctors. I for one don't fancy catching anything itchy , contagious or potentially fatal ( Hep C , HIV , etc ). Besides I think women should realise that the more bareback sex they have with the more partners the greater risk they are in from Cervical cancer ( caused by the HPV Virus that men can carry without showing any symptoms ) or Clamydia which can , and often does , make a women sterile.
If people want to play bareback then thats they're decision and I will never look down on anyone or treat them any different than I do anyone else. Its just that if I do play with them i'll wear a condom to protect myself.
Davie ( off to buy a wet suit and divers helmet .. total safety rofl
Holy Smoke................ Nothing personal BigScotsBloke but don't you think thats just a tad unromantic lol........ Something about tonights posts thats just a trifle depressing lol! Everyone is on about blindin nasties you can catch...... Such a huge turn on ...
Mike
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I don't think that OTT at all. I have always went to the local GUM, together with a new partner before getting rid of condoms in a LTR.
Les x
Mmm Can just see that lol....... each to there own and believe me I'm not knocking anything you decide to do..... in fact quite sensible I just can't see me ever getting to a point where I would ask a new partner to pop along to the local GUM (clap clinic yeah?) and having the tests done before accepting her lol....... Its a bit like an MOT eh... good for the day it was done and thats it... surely better to know someone and decide rather than a test!!! Who knows what happens right after a test... or what can't be picked up at the time and place by such tests??
sorry for quoting such a long post....
I have checked application forms for major providers of life insurance within the UK (yes ok sad but its kinda what I do for a living)
The wording on the questionaires are:
Have you ever been exposed for HIV ( having unsafe sex etc)
The 2nd question is....
Have you ever been tested positive for HIV?
you do have to disclose any test that has come negative.
Hope that helps and puts people's mind at rest.
