Stand in the middle of a supermarket & look around....look at the amount of new retail parks being built....and then ask the question:
is the human race going to manufacture & consume itself into oblivion?
I believe that global warming or a new global ice age (please make your mind up scientists) is all hype. Recycling is a good thing though. We have limited resources and these should be looked after.
Dave_Notts
Recycling and saving energy are important. The global warming theory put forward by scientists and politicians is pure horse manure. I mean, looking at weather patterns over the last two hundred years and coming to the conclusion they have, is pure statistical rubbish which ought to be recycled into something that is more important. The next thing they'll be doing is cloning sheep (sorry they've already done that).
a lot of research funding,many peoples jobs,and a lot of taxation depends on convincing us that this is the media rarely publish the views of scientists who think we`re just in a natural `s a cash cow that is based on bad science
Well, looking outside at the moment on a typical Bank Holiday Monday, we aren't getting enough global warming - it's a bit chilly here!
In all seriousness, there's sod all the UK can do in the grand scheme of things. If we shut up shop tomorrow and didn't emit another ounce of CO2 it just wouldn't make any difference when compared to what India, China and the USA pump out. In particular that latter country needs to address its usage of carbon products - 5% of the world's population is responsible for 25% of total C02 output, which is an unsustainable imbalance.
New Labour and their string-pullers in the EU have used the green theme to place even more taxes on us.
However, we all have a moral duty to reduce and more importantly reuse wherever possible. Start with the shops and give them back packaging once you have used the products. When pay-as-you-bin charges come in (and they will), why should you have to cough up for a second tax after already paying for it the first time.
i recycle all that i can (i have to my bin only gets emptied once a fortnight) and it does make a huge difference to your weekly rubbish i have white poly bags for cardboards and plastics i fill 4 of them every 2 weeks that would all be in the usual waste if i didnt have the poly bags same as cans and glass i fill 2 big boxes every 2 weeks.
I have 2 wheely bins (1 normal waste 1 garden waste) 4 poly bags and 3 boxes all take up space in my smallish back yard
I may not agree with what they say about global warming but our landfill sites are full so if it eases them a little it can only be a good thing
I'm confused.
When did global warming change into climate change?
30p / litre is cheap, i've just returned from egypt the fuel there is only 12p / litre.
OK I'm probably going to get jumped on for this so in an unprecedented act of self defence, let me first tell you about my personal stance.
I recycle everything I possibly can, I compost whatever is compostable, I grow / hunt a lot of the food I consume, I run my vehicle on biodiesel which I produce myself from waste chip oil destined for the landfill site so my motoring carbon footprint is actually less than zero.
Now to the point.
Humanity induced climate change may be happening, but to nowhere near the extent that is being forced down our necks. if you use google wisely you will find pearls of wisdom such as this:-
Last week, Dr Arthur Robinson, of the University of Oregon, announced to
a packed Washington Press Conference that 31,000 scientists had signed
an online petition challenging the conventional wisdom that man-made C02
emissions were causing 'global warming'.
source:-
Inn my opinion most if not all those scientists who are shouting doom and gloom are simply towing the party line, with either incentive based or politically based bias.
I think there is a tendency here to confuse the recycling issue with the global warming issue. To my mind recycling is an absolute must for every one of us from the cradle to the grave. As has been stated, recourses are running out at a rapid rate, faster even than the government (bless em) are prepared to admit. fossil fuel stocks are already at a critical low and the so called "emergency reserve" doesn't exist. Add to this way all the crap we throw away into the oceans and land fill ..... well that point has already been eloquently made by another poster.
Climate change however is a totally different band wagon that every Joe and his aunt are scrambling onto in order to make a quick buck, our beloved government being the biggest culprit of them all.
The UK produces 2.2% of the worlds CO2 emissions ( source:- )
so as has also been stated, we could switch off the whole country today, ban all cars, lorries, buses, industry, retail, in fact, return to the stone age overnight and the total effect it would have on the global situation would be like tossing a small pebble into a very large lake.
So what's it all about? one word, TAXES
Our dear planet sits between ice age and boiling away. The truth is that the difference between one and the other is just a few degrees. A temperature to high and no ice, lower amounts of the sun's energy is reflected, even higher temperatures.
A few degrees lower and more ice, more of the sun's energy is reflected, colder, more ice, colder. Result? 'ice ball earth', it has happened in the past! We where saved by volcanic eruption.
Flower and Random, do you know where all the trees have gone, will there leaves turn brown, the last remainder of nature?
Random,
Love your av - is it Huwey, Dewey or Loius? Mone of my fave films of all time...
There is a mounting body of evidence to say that the phenomenon we call Global Warming is linked inexorably to the Sun, and it's cycles of solar activity. Man-made greenhouse gasses have a slight negative effect but if we stopped all emissions, worldwide, overnight - this would have little impact on the solar cycle and hence the inevitable consequences - which, if those scientists who don't follow the orthodoxy of the scientific 'concensus' are right, will likely be a mini ice-age - or certainly a prolonged cold snap.
The conventional scientific view could be seen as a way of passing the burden on to us, the consumer - after all, we're paying for 90% of the 'greening' of our homes and environments through taxation, and directly via purchasing greener cars, greener houses, light bulbs etc...
Someone on R4 the other day was seriously postulating a personal carbon allowance for everyone - that could be traded/bougt/sold. Nice idea on the surface - but dig a little deeper - they (being the powers that be) would need to monitor every aspect of your life in order for this to work. Every purchase, mile travelled, household expenditure. Without that monitoring it would be unworkable. Is it too far a leap to join the dots with the whole ID card campaign? After all, who can gainsay those who only want to save our planet?
I believe passionately in recycling, alternate fuels, the whole notion of stewarding this beautiful, majestic planet we live on. But, unfortunately, the foundations of our western way of life rely on consumption - and this, inevitably, wrecks our home planet. Look behind many of the motives of those who rattle the drum for climate change and you'll find the age old problems - money and power. I think (though I hope it won't come true) that we may well sleepwalk in to an even more controlled and monitored state than we live in at the moment, and we'll do it willingly - after all, we're saving the planet, right?
Phew, sorry for the rant but it's a subject I feel strongly about...
BTW for anyone who wants an alternate view could have a look at
Japes
Random,
Love your av - is it Huwey, Dewey or Loius? Mone of my fave films of all time...
There is a mounting body of evidence to say that the phenomenon we call Global Warming is linked inexorably to the Sun, and it's cycles of solar activity. Man-made greenhouse gasses have a slight negative effect but if we stopped all emissions, worldwide, overnight - this would have little impact on the solar cycle and hence the inevitable consequences - which, if those scientists who don't follow the orthodoxy of the scientific 'concensus' are right, will likely be a mini ice-age - or certainly a prolonged cold snap.
The conventional scientific view could be seen as a way of passing the burden on to us, the consumer - after all, we're paying for 90% of the 'greening' of our homes and environments through taxation, and directly via purchasing greener cars, greener houses, light bulbs etc...
Someone on R4 the other day was seriously postulating a personal carbon allowance for everyone - that could be traded/bougt/sold. Nice idea on the surface - but dig a little deeper - they (being the powers that be) would need to monitor every aspect of your life in order for this to work. Every purchase, mile travelled, household expenditure. Without that monitoring it would be unworkable. Is it too far a leap to join the dots with the whole ID card campaign? After all, who can gainsay those who only want to save our planet?
I believe passionately in recycling, alternate fuels, the whole notion of stewarding this beautiful, majestic planet we live on. But, unfortunately, the foundations of our western way of life rely on consumption - and this, inevitably, wrecks our home planet. Look behind many of the motives of those who rattle the drum for climate change and you'll find the age old problems - money and power. I think (though I hope it won't come true) that we may well sleepwalk in to an even more controlled and monitored state than we live in at the moment, and we'll do it willingly - after all, we're saving the planet, right?
Phew, sorry for the rant but it's a subject I feel strongly about...
BTW for anyone who wants an alternate view could have a look at
Japes
Well they do say that the planet doesn't belong to us, it belongs to our kids.
Well my response is that when my kids start cleaning their rooms, I'll start cleaning their planet!
that the places I have worked don't even bother! I really do think that its the big company's that will kill the plant not your average Jo who works 9-5 and puts his 1 or 2 bin bags out a week.
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