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Must admit to having seen this too on occasion and some of it mystifies me. As a guy who is not into it., and I guess is quite conservative (small c) when it comes down to things sexual, though doesn't give a hoot as long as they're happy, that's what is important. I would like to know if some of the guys who CD sort of delude themselves into thinking they appear feminine or woman like, and whether they really believe that dressing and acting the way that some do makes them feel feminine.
Is there not some sort of embarrassment in knowing that, and i'm afraid it appears to me so it will with others, they appear wholly rediculous in a pantomine way. Is it not realised that is the way they appear to many? Is it attention seeking possibly, or a way in which to defy convention and be rebellious/
OK, I can see the point I guess with convincing CD's TV's when they can be another sex and "get away" with it. That's got a sense of acgeivement in it too i would of though.
I can even get the gist, if I try, of guy wearing woman's underwear or lengerie for the feel of it or if, in the case of stockings/tights they may have great legs that to some might look good.
I know in the end i will probably not understand as I dont understand people who enjoy a lot of sexual and non sexual pastimes. Although with unconvincing CD's etc iI feel it may be different though for love nor money can I fathom it.
Could be a good discussion hmmmm.
brucie! stop going to rios and you won't see such things anymore. get down to the way out club or stunners.
Every cross dresser starts somewhere, usually in the house - Sex clubs are probably the next step for most.
The Thai lady boy certainly didn't wake up one day looking like that, He/she went through years of probably very stressful stuff to get to where they are
Maybe they don't really care what you think and are quite happy fulfilling the need they have in the way that they do, some take it further, some don't
CROSS, they were bloody furious! :twisted:
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and in particular in rios. last couple of months a couple of cd's have been going to rios. both look as convincing as the little britain ladies.
nobody interacts with them (as opposed to the convincing thai ladyboy who goes there and gets serious male attention) and i have heard a lot of comments along the lines of "id take em out back an shoot em"...
now im all for tolerence (up to an extent) but these guys really do look like freaks. but that is a personal opinion and irrelevant. what i want to know and preferably from cd's, what do you get from it? i mean all i have seen them get at rios is rejection and ridicule, so why come?

Because they can and they paid their money, same as everyone else?
Why not brace yourself and ask them, next time you see them in there? Get your answer straight from the horse's mouth.
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and in particular in rios. last couple of months a couple of cd's have been going to rios. both look as convincing as the little britain ladies.
nobody interacts with them (as opposed to the convincing thai ladyboy who goes there and gets serious male attention) and i have heard a lot of comments along the lines of "id take em out back an shoot em"...
now im all for tolerence (up to an extent) but these guys really do look like freaks. but that is a personal opinion and irrelevant. what i want to know and preferably from cd's, what do you get from it? i mean all i have seen them get at rios is rejection and ridicule, so why come?

Because they can and they paid their money, same as everyone else?
Why not brace yourself and ask them, next time you see them in there? Get your answer straight from the horse's mouth.
:thumbup:
What a brilliant idea lol
Some times, the best answer's are the simplest, yet the easiest to overlook
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i think its partly because there are few safe spaces where men who wish to cross dress can go.i was at the townhouse a few months ago and a guy came in,it was the first time he had ever left the house "dressed". i thought it was a very courageous thing to do. He wasn't there to shag, just be himself for a couple of hours.

I think so too Kaz, and more power to him. I guess the courageous thing is that he may be open to the questioning and ridicule or even persecution of those around him. I guess I would have to count myself amongst those people, in that I question, though I certainly wouldn't ridicule or persecute. A person has right to express themselves, within the confines of decency, how they want if not hurting or harming others in the process and with no fear of prejudice for it.
what does interest me is why? I know it's a rhetorical question in a way as how can one person like the taste of something, say Marmite, and another doesn't. Though somewhere within the grey matter must be a biological/physical trigger.
Late night pub type discussion me thinks, The alcohol might make things either more simple or more complicated.
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and in particular in rios. last couple of months a couple of cd's have been going to rios. both look as convincing as the little britain ladies.
nobody interacts with them (as opposed to the convincing thai ladyboy who goes there and gets serious male attention) and i have heard a lot of comments along the lines of "id take em out back an shoot em"...
now im all for tolerence (up to an extent) but these guys really do look like freaks. but that is a personal opinion and irrelevant. what i want to know and preferably from cd's, what do you get from it? i mean all i have seen them get at rios is rejection and ridicule, so why come?

Because they can and they paid their money, same as everyone else?
Why not brace yourself and ask them, next time you see them in there? Get your answer
straight from the horse's mouth.
Fuck aye FB :lol2: In the end it really is as simple as that I guess. Respect
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the honest answer, even looking at them makes me sad. so i dont think i could talk to them.

Well at least you're honest.
BUT, I think that comment, along with you saying they look like freaks, says more about you than them. If they're not hurting anyone, why question their reasons for being there - it's their money they've spent to get in?
I never said it was judgemental. I can't imagine why you feel sorry for them though - they are clearly OK or they wouldn't keep going back dressed. With regard to the club, if they have a dress code that disallows cross dressers then they should remind the cross dressers, but I'd say they haven't, or they would have acted on it. If they offend so many people, then the club must be aware and clearly don't mind. You appear to be in the minority of those offended.
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i disagree. soem clubs dont allow jeans as it is seen as lowering the tone. a general sex club shouldnt allow behaviour which may be reasonably offensive to the majority. just as gay men arent welcome to flount their sexuality openly in rios neither should other people.

Just a quick question, are you saying that just because a man wears ladies clothes they are gay?
i remember when we went to our first munch there was a cpl there where the male was a tranny ,being honest i was shit scared of going anywhere near later on i went to the bar to come back to find him /her sitting in my seat neaxt to the wife i went over wondering wtf lol all he/she wanted to know was if was ok to take pics if we were in the background lol and what a nice fella he/she was .since we have organized socials and attented socials in the gay area up our way and seen and been in the company of bi s gays tvs cds and tbh we dont bat a eyelid now our lass loves to speak to them asking questions how n why end of the day they are human beings simple as
I only ever saw one cross dresser at a club and have to say he looked ridiculous.
Big hands and bulging muscles, with a hint of stubble.
I did think that if he wanted to do that at least try and be a bit more convincing.....looked freaky in my opinion.
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i disagree. soem clubs dont allow jeans as it is seen as lowering the tone. a general sex club shouldnt allow behaviour which may be reasonably offensive to the majority. just as gay men arent welcome to flount their sexuality openly in rios neither should other people.

Just a quick question, are you saying that just because a man wears ladies clothes they are gay?
:thumbup: Words right outta my mouth! Cross-dressing is not a marker of homosexuality.
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i disagree. soem clubs dont allow jeans as it is seen as lowering the tone. a general sex club shouldnt allow behaviour which may be reasonably offensive to the majority. just as gay men arent welcome to flount their sexuality openly in rios neither should other people.

Just a quick question, are you saying that just because a man wears ladies clothes they are gay?
:thumbup: Words right outta my mouth! Cross-dressing is not a marker of homosexuality.
Or vice versa. Although I didn't think that was what Brucie meant.
Just out of interest Brucie, how would you feel about lesbians or bisexual women being open/flaunting their sexuality?
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fb, whilst i understand your sentiment i think its a little naive.
pointing out that somebody looks like a freak is not necessarily judgemental (albeit maybe not the best choice of words due to its connotations). feeling sad when seeing someone who is so clearly unhappy in their skin is not unreasonable..

How do you know they're unhappy in their skin? They may just be finding their feet and a little frightened of recieving riducule from people who dont understand what they're doing. Many cross dressers do it simply because they like the clothes and feeling they get wearing them. Only a small few have a desire to actually live as a woman.
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so im not sure what it says about me except thst i feel sorry for someone who finds it necessary to veer so far out of what most people would consider "normal" behaviour.
as for their money. i disagree. soem clubs dont allow jeans as it is seen as lowering the tone. a general sex club shouldnt allow behaviour which may be reasonably offensive to the majority. just as gay men arent welcome to flount their sexuality openly in rios neither should other people. there are speciality clubs for that sort of thing. in those do as you please.

a sex club that doesn't allow anyone to flaunt their sexuality? How would that work then? What you really mean is you would like a sex club that caters only for your tastes and should seek to ban every other form of expression.
Sex clubs are a place where people can do things outside their norms. Women included can wear in public what they would never dream of wearing anywhere else and feel damn good about it, safe in the idea that they are in a non judgmental place with non judgemental people also doing what might be a little out of their ordinary.
Why not just ask them Brucie? They'll give you much better reasons than we can only speculate upon. And you probably wont vomit (little britain ref) while talking to them, even if you do feel a bit sad. :thumbup:
So what friendly fun club do you go to where someone can risk being violently assaulted for something so trivial as their choice in clothing?
If that were ever to happen I would hope that the offenders were to feel the full consequences of their actions. Hideous people that they would be.
I'll stick to clubs where no-one minds what anyone else is or isnt wearing, whatever their gender or anything else. It would seem a safer option.
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and they were there again yesterday. and trust me i am one of the least offensive. i have no doubt that one day shortly they will end up being punched by one of the less retrained revellers.

Cracking advert for Rios and its clientele there Brucie. Not what you might call an especially open-minded and tolerant bunch down there then? Duly noted.
N x x x ;)
Curious/
Brucie... do you think you're an exceptionally attractive person? Inside and out? dunno
/curious
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Curious/
Brucie... do you think you're an exceptionally attractive person? Inside and out? dunno
/curious

I think Brucie is misunderstood . . . . . mostly by himself!
I just picked up the thread that says "gay men aren't allowedto flaunt their sexuality in Rios". Is that true? It sounds pretty draconian to me. It's just as easy for a guy to turn down an approach, an invite to dance, or the offer to be bought a drink by a guy as it is for a woman to do so. It sounds to me that there are some slight insecurity issues here. Instead of asking these dudes what it's all about I suggest some of you guys have a beer with them and share a couple of jokes or anecdotes. They're probably season ticket holders at the local footy club, ie just people like the rest of us.
Brucie, you've managed yet again to offend a large amount of the population within a few of your posts.
You're good but bloody boring and predictable now rolleyes
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for some reason women find me attractive. even after they know me its hard to get rid of them. so i can only reach one conclusion.

I am in the same position as this, I know exactly how that feels.
as for the uber tolerant types on this thread, i bow down to your superior humanity but when i see someone who is unnatractive in my eyes (obese, unaesthetic medical condition, cross dresser who looks liek a bloke in a skirt etc) it offends my sensitivities.

Brucie, we all know you're a delicate soul, and that your aesthetic sensibilities are easily offended, but given that you've used the word 'freak' at least 3 or 4 times now to refer to cross-dressers / transvestites ((( I'll take it as read you know the difference? confused ))) I have to ask do you ever stop to think about the members you share this website with, or is it only your 'sensitivities' we're meant to consider?
N x x x ;)
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Brucie, you've managed yet again to offend a large amount of the population within a few of your posts.
You're good but bloody boring and predictable now rolleyes

Quite often, in my personal view, that is the intent
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Quite often, in my personal view, that is the intent

Even Stevie Wonder could see that.
How much 'clothing' are these guys wearing by the way?
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Makes me glad i live in the old fashioned north rather than the hip cosmopolitian south.
We may not be perfect,god knows bigotry exists anywhere but at least i know that in our local club TVs are welcome.

I have a lovely Samsung.
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as for the uber tolerant types on this thread, i bow down to your superior humanity but when i see someone who is unnatractive in my eyes (obese, unaesthetic medical condition, cross dresser who looks liek a bloke in a skirt etc) it offends my sensitivities.

Brucie, we all know you're a delicate soul, and that your aesthetic sensibilities are easily offended, but given that you've used the word 'freak' at least 3 or 4 times now to refer to cross-dressers / transvestites ((( I'll take it as read you know the difference? confused ))) I have to ask do you ever stop to think about the members you share this website with, or is it only your 'sensitivities' we're meant to consider?
N x x x ;)
With the greatest of respect Neil....he is still entitled to his opinion.......yes?
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With the greatest of respect Neil....he is still entitled to his opinion.......yes?

Only if it fits in with the popular thinking.
And god help any crossdresser that goes bareback on this site....