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Moralistic thought experiments! On a Tuesday morning! Tsk!
This is a logic v morality issue really. Do you kill one life to save nineteen, or kill none and know that while you did not bloody your own hands, because of your inaction nineteen others have died needlessly?
Mr Spock would obviously look at this and find the oldest, frailest Indian and shoot them and let the others go free. This of course makes him guilty of cold-blooded murder however you want to look at it.
However if Mr Spock's logic suddenly deserted him in a whiff of Vulcan smoke, and he refused to kill one person, then his in-actions have led directly to the needless death of another nineteen.
Could you cope that knowing you killed one person, but saved nineteen from death, or that you killed none by your actions, but by your inactions, twenty died. Nineteen needlessly?
I'd like to think I'd be brave enough to follow Duncans and Mr Spock's lead and kill one to save nineteen. I fear that I'd be too weak to follow this through and condemn nineteen to a needless death by an act of totally selfish and inaccurate form of moral cowardice and self-preservation. The only solace I can take from the thought of killing one person is that one persons death is the best possible scenario for everyone, regardless of whether I do the killing or not and regardless of my own personal distate.
The other alternative of course is the Rambo theory. Take the gun and shoot the person ordering you to kill the Indian. Now in your fantasy, you then free the Indians, see off the remaining baddies and ride off in the sunset to father gorgeous children with some young, nubile squaw. The reality is however, that if you did that, you and the Indians would all die under a hail of bullets from the other townsfolk and however illogical that may seem, it may well appeal to some.
This is a logic v morality issue really. Do you kill one life to save nineteen, or kill none and know that while you did not bloody your own hands, because of your inaction nineteen others have died needlessly?
Mr Spock would obviously look at this and find the oldest, frailest Indian and shoot them and let the others go free. This of course makes him guilty of cold-blooded murder however you want to look at it.
However if Mr Spock's logic suddenly deserted him in a whiff of Vulcan smoke, and he refused to kill one person, then his in-actions have led directly to the needless death of another nineteen.
Could you cope that knowing you killed one person, but saved nineteen from death, or that you killed none by your actions, but by your inactions, twenty died. Nineteen needlessly?
I'd like to think I'd be brave enough to follow Duncans and Mr Spock's lead and kill one to save nineteen. I fear that I'd be too weak to follow this through and condemn nineteen to a needless death by an act of totally selfish and inaccurate form of moral cowardice and self-preservation. The only solace I can take from the thought of killing one person is that one persons death is the best possible scenario for everyone, regardless of whether I do the killing or not and regardless of my own personal distate.
The other alternative of course is the Rambo theory. Take the gun and shoot the person ordering you to kill the Indian. Now in your fantasy, you then free the Indians, see off the remaining baddies and ride off in the sunset to father gorgeous children with some young, nubile squaw. The reality is however, that if you did that, you and the Indians would all die under a hail of bullets from the other townsfolk and however illogical that may seem, it may well appeal to some.
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Quote by Kaznkev
But res if you follow spock arent you saying the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few?
And are we not only ultimatly responsible for our own morality,can we take responsibility for the actions of others.
Is it our fault if 20 die because we stick to our convictions?
Hello chuck,
Yes I am. The needs of the many do outweigh the needs of the few and certainly the needs of an individual. It's the perception of what we mean by a society, even if you believe the truth is different, or indeed opposite.
We are indeed the judge and jury of our own morality and as such taking responsibility for the actions of others is not necessary. However when your inaction is directly, and that is the key word, directly responsible for their suffering and death, then I think it is unfair to say that because you did nothing and stuck to your convictions, that it arbitrarily absolves you of any blame either justifiably, morally or, more contentiously, legally.
“A person may cause evil to others not only by his actions but by his inaction, and in either case he is justly accountable to them for the - John Stewart Mill (of his own free will, on half a pint of shandy was particularly ill...)
“Man's inhumanity to man is not only perpetrated by the vitriolic actions of those who are bad. It is also perpetrated by the vitiating inaction of those who are - Martin Luther King Jnr. (Python didn't do a song about him)
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Quote by duncanlondon
the point is there's a fiesta on and we need to party!!!!!!!
Fiesta! Arriba! Can we play that twat the papier-mache, sweetie filled, donkey with a stick game? I've forgotten the name of it now and I can't be arsed to google it.
First are the Indians guilt of anything, other than being Indians?
If one is; kill him!
If all are let them be hung.
If none are would I be killing under duress, am I guilt of anything by killing?
To kill one would mean that nineteen go free and the 19 have a chance to return later, to dispense justice on the town.
Could I save 20 by killing the mayor?
The answer would probably be, if all are innocent, kill one, a volunteer. Get the 19 to safety. Then return and wipe out the Mayor and his evil minions.
If one is; kill him!
If all are let them be hung.
If none are would I be killing under duress, am I guilt of anything by killing?
To kill one would mean that nineteen go free and the 19 have a chance to return later, to dispense justice on the town.
Could I save 20 by killing the mayor?
The answer would probably be, if all are innocent, kill one, a volunteer. Get the 19 to safety. Then return and wipe out the Mayor and his evil minions.
Orgasminator
shoot one..then myself..
Master of Sex
At the end of the day the farmers win.:cool:
Sexpert
Can I have a bazooka?
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Quote by gothicpunk
Can I have a bazooka?
Reminds me of the cartoon wrapped bubblegum your answer together with your sig pic
Back on topic. I'd hold an auction whereby the indians offer stuff for their life. The one offering the least gets shot. If I'm going to be damned I might as well be better off with it.
