Not dogging in cars, but the actually thing of having a dog in the car.
I was driving home from work today and in front of me was a women driving her jack russle dog having free run of the car.
at times it was up on teh parcel shelf then jumping straight through to the passenger seat and at times directly on her lap.
the speed limits vary form 30 to 60 mph.
Am i the only person who thinks this is a really stupid thing to do?
for several reasons..
if the car has to stop suddenly the dog could either be propelled into the front seat driver or passenger causing injury or straight out of the window.
it has to be distracting to have an animal jumping around the car and onto your lap while trying to drive, therin not only placing yourself at risk and the dog but all other road users.
so i was wondering if you love your dog why wouldnt you make sure they were kept safe?
and if you dont why dont ?
no offence ment, but it really bloody frustrates me.
xx fem xx
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Sex God
No, you are right. There's no excuse for it and it is 100% stupid. It endangers the 'loved' pet, the human occupants of the car and everyone else within crashing distance of the car.
It constantly amazes me how people who would be adamant that they love their pet, endanger them in this and other ways.
It constantly amazes me how people who would be adamant that they love their pet, endanger them in this and other ways.
Sex God
Quote by fem_4_taboo
no offence meant, but it really bloody frustrates me.
xx fem xx
Why worry if you offend them if they're so stupid that they disregard the safety of everyone on the road and at the side. Its also contravenes the highway code
Highway Code
57 When in a vehicle make sure dogs or other animals are suitably restrained so they cannot distract you while you are driving or injure you, or themselves, if you stop quickly. A seat belt harness, pet carrier, dog cage or dog guard are ways of restraining animals in cars.
Casanova
I agree with this post. Although the same goes with smoking while driving your car or using a mobile phone. Smoking frustrates me... how the hell can you drive properly with a fab in your hand?? then having to flick your ash out the window??. Guess that's why the rules are there. It's just a shame more people don't follow them Kinks x x
Quote by apey_kinks
I agree with this post. Although the same goes with smoking while driving your car or using a mobile phone. Smoking frustrates me... how the hell can you drive properly with a fab in your hand?? then having to flick your ash out the window??. Guess that's why the rules are there. It's just a shame more people don't follow them Kinks x x
Experience. Smoking is a habit that does not need overtaxing co-ordination. People have an ability to place their fingers on any part of their body they so wish without being distacted.
If they cannot, then I would be more worried as it means they are impaired and unable to control a vehicle, hence the drug tests and touching parts of the body.
I think those that do not observe their surroundings and are not in control of their cars are the danger rather than those who have a bite of an apple, a slurp from a coffee cup or smoke a fag.
Dave_Notts
A safety seat belt restraint for dogs costs about on ebay, delivered. It is required by rule 57 of the Highway Code (as already pointed out by meat2pleaseu) but it is common sense to restrain your dog, when in a vehicle, regardless.
I believe that a test and a license should be required to keep a pet. I also believe that many pets are more intelligent than the humans who "own" them.
I believe that a test and a license should be required to keep a pet. I also believe that many pets are more intelligent than the humans who "own" them.
Sex God
It is my understanding it is mandatory to have dogs restrained while riding in a car either by way of a dog guard or by a seat belt....
Casanova
Quote by Dave__Notts
I agree with this post. Although the same goes with smoking while driving your car or using a mobile phone. Smoking frustrates me... how the hell can you drive properly with a fab in your hand?? then having to flick your ash out the window??. Guess that's why the rules are there. It's just a shame more people don't follow them Kinks x x
Experience. Smoking is a habit that does not need overtaxing co-ordination. People have an ability to place their fingers on any part of their body they so wish without being distacted.
If they cannot, then I would be more worried as it means they are impaired and unable to control a vehicle, hence the drug tests and touching parts of the body.
I think those that do not observe their surroundings and are not in control of their cars are the danger rather than those who have a bite of an apple, a slurp from a coffee cup or smoke a fag.
Dave_Notts[/quote
Ahhh yes but experience or not, rules are rules and same goes for dogs, fags, mobile phones. That's what the high way code is for but really if the police pulled you over for smoking while driving. I can't imagine that would be a valid point.....I'm experienced?? lol
Quote by apey_kinks
Ahhh yes but experience or not, rules are rules and same goes for dogs, fags, mobile phones. That's what the high way code is for but really if the police pulled you over for smoking while driving. I can't imagine that would be a valid point.....I'm experienced?? lol
There is no law against smoking in charge of a vehicle............yet. So no rules have been broken.
The Highway Code does not reference the guidance to any RTA legislation except to the smoking legislation but that is to do with work vehicles and not private cars
Dave_Notts
Casanova
There is no law against smoking in charge of a vehicle............yet. So no rules have been broken.
The Highway Code does not reference the guidance to any RTA legislation except to the smoking legislation but that is to do with work vehicles and not private cars
Dave_Notts
The original forum post was about pets being a distraction and that it frustrates fem_4_taboo, I just added that smoking and mobile phone use frustrates me. Experience or not I still see it as a distraction and yes maybe its not a straight £30 fine but if you refer to the Highway Code it states :
148: Safe driving and riding needs concentration.
Avoid distractions when driving or riding such as:
loud music (this may mask other sounds)
trying to read maps
inserting a cassette or CD or tuning a radio
eating and drinking
smoking
The Highway Code does not make it a specific offence to smoke while driving, any more than it is currently an offence to change a cassette, read a map or eat.
However, if any of these behaviours are coupled with bad driving, or lead to an accident, a charge of careless driving, or not being in a position to control the vehicle becomes a distinct possibility.
The Highway Code does not reference the guidance to any RTA legislation except to the smoking legislation but that is to do with work vehicles and not private cars
Dave_Notts
The original forum post was about pets being a distraction and that it frustrates fem_4_taboo, I just added that smoking and mobile phone use frustrates me. Experience or not I still see it as a distraction and yes maybe its not a straight £30 fine but if you refer to the Highway Code it states :
148: Safe driving and riding needs concentration.
Avoid distractions when driving or riding such as:
loud music (this may mask other sounds)
trying to read maps
inserting a cassette or CD or tuning a radio
eating and drinking
smoking
The Highway Code does not make it a specific offence to smoke while driving, any more than it is currently an offence to change a cassette, read a map or eat.
However, if any of these behaviours are coupled with bad driving, or lead to an accident, a charge of careless driving, or not being in a position to control the vehicle becomes a distinct possibility.
Sex God
We bolt our two dogs into the boot using large coach bolts through their necks ..... I have my hands tied to stop me smoking whilst driving,I'm also usually gagged and blindfold to avoid any distractions .......Better safe than sorry
Casanova
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
We bolt our two dogs into the boot using large coach bolts through their necks ..... I have my hands tied to stop me smoking whilst driving,I'm also usually gagged and blindfold to avoid any distractions .......Better safe than sorry
That's a bit dangerous isnt it?......Oh I get it that's what you call sarcasm!!
im not sure about the smoking thing, i know people that do will say its only putting your fingers to your lip, but what about lighting up, holding it for 3 min ? (i dont know how long it takes to smoke a fag) not having full grip of the wheel in case of emergancy stop, or while serching to stub it out ?
also the smoke getting in your eyes or dropping a hot fag in your lap.?
i had a situation where a van threw out his fag while driving past me, it came in throughmy window, landed on the back seat and i had to, stop asap to remove the burning fag.
excuse my typing and fag rather than cigerette but just had hand op and its hard typing one handed, now know what most men here deal with lol
xx fem xx
oh and my origional point is why not ensure your dog is safe as you would a child?
also the smoke getting in your eyes or dropping a hot fag in your lap.?
i had a situation where a van threw out his fag while driving past me, it came in throughmy window, landed on the back seat and i had to, stop asap to remove the burning fag.
excuse my typing and fag rather than cigerette but just had hand op and its hard typing one handed, now know what most men here deal with lol
xx fem xx
oh and my origional point is why not ensure your dog is safe as you would a child?
Sex God
Quote by fem_4_taboo
im not sure about the smoking thing, i know people that do will say its only putting your fingers to your lip, but what about lighting up, holding it for 3 min ? (i dont know how long it takes to smoke a fag) not having full grip of the wheel in case of emergancy stop, or while serching to stub it out ?
also the smoke getting in your eyes or dropping a hot fag in your lap.?
i had a situation where a van threw out his fag while driving past me, it came in throughmy window, landed on the back seat and i had to, stop asap to remove the burning fag.
excuse my typing and fag rather than cigerette but just had hand op and its hard typing one handed, now know what most men here deal with lol
xx fem xx
oh and my origional point is why not ensure your dog is safe as you would a child?
Yup common sense really for all of the above reasons smoking whilst driving is dangerous. When you are driving you should be driving and doing nothing else. Smoking at the wheel IMHO should be made a criminal offense.
Quote by apey_kinks
There is no law against smoking in charge of a vehicle............yet. So no rules have been broken.
The Highway Code does not reference the guidance to any RTA legislation except to the smoking legislation but that is to do with work vehicles and not private cars
Dave_Notts
The original forum post was about pets being a distraction and that it frustrates fem_4_taboo, I just added that smoking and mobile phone use frustrates me. Experience or not I still see it as a distraction and yes maybe its not a straight £30 fine but if you refer to the Highway Code it states :
148: Safe driving and riding needs concentration.
Avoid distractions when driving or riding such as:
loud music (this may mask other sounds)
trying to read maps
inserting a cassette or CD or tuning a radio
eating and drinking
smoking
The Highway Code does not make it a specific offence to smoke while driving, any more than it is currently an offence to change a cassette, read a map or eat.
However, if any of these behaviours are coupled with bad driving, or lead to an accident, a charge of careless driving, or not being in a position to control the vehicle becomes a distinct possibility.
Totally agree with you that if driving dangerously then the police officer should pull a car and deal with it appropriately. I have not seen any data to show that there is loads of deaths or accidents involving a smoker. If it was that much of a problem, and bearing in mind that 20% of the population smokes, then there would be an easy way to prove that smoking is such a distraction. As there is no data and nobody has looked into banning it with any proof of causes then the Highway code is just using examples of what couldbe a distraction and not what is a distraction.
As for the OP. Anything that is not secured can be a missle in an emergency. When I was learning to drive in a HGV my instructor used to put his coffee cup on the parcel shelf. When testing an emergency stop the vehicle came to a sudden stop but the windscreen exploded in pieces. It was the coffee cup that we had both forgot about
Dave_Notts
Quote by fem_4_taboo
im not sure about the smoking thing, i know people that do will say its only putting your fingers to your lip, but what about lighting up, holding it for 3 min ? (i dont know how long it takes to smoke a fag) not having full grip of the wheel in case of emergancy stop, or while serching to stub it out ?
When smoking people will hold a cigarette between their index and middle finger. In this position you are able to hold the cigarette and the steering wheel with both hands.
When driving you complete the steering before any other task and ensure that the vehicle is safe then you will take your hand away from the steering wheel and change gear up or down. In the same vane, a smoker will ensure that the vehicle is safe before taking a puff on a cigarette. If smoking a cigarette is dangerous and a distraction, then so is changing gears.
Quote by fem_4_taboo
oh and my origional point is why not ensure your dog is safe as you would a child?
Two different things. A childs life will always take precedence over an animal, so a child will be restrained far more stringently than a dog. A dog is restrained in only so much as it wouldn't hurt the humans in the car i.e. have bars on the boot to stop it flying around the car or through the windscreen.
This doesn't mean I do not like animals. In fact I am a big softy with all animals, but they never take precedence over the human...........well almost all humans, there are some where I would save the animal before the human i.e. Pol Pot, etc
Dave_Notts
Sex God
Smoking in a car is certainly safer than driving round a ring road in rush hour traffic - not all that fast but a hell of a lot of lane swapping - while applying mascara! Some people should simply have their cars and licenses removed - on the spot.
Sex God
Not really concerned with what the action is if its dangerous its dangerous. Fem brought up several valid points probably the best one being dropping hot ash in you lap whilst driving. Obviously dangerous but ignored by the later justification posts. People do all kinds of dangerous things whilst driving including not securing dogs and smoking. Everyone can debate all day they are still dangerous, the degree is not important. How many degrees does it take to kill someone 
Quote by tweeky
Not really concerned with what the action is if its dangerous its dangerous. Fem brought up several valid points probably the best one being dropping hot ash in you lap whilst driving. Obviously dangerous but ignored by the later justification posts. People do all kinds of dangerous things whilst driving including not securing dogs and smoking. Everyone can debate all day they are still dangerous, the degree is not important. How many degrees does it take to kill someone
In all my years of smoking ash has fallen on my clothes, my naked body and I even flick my ash into my hand. It is cool, and not burning when it falls from the cigarette. The most it will do is make a smudge of ash on your clothes. There is no reason to swerve all over the road, as a smoker will know they are not going to burst into flames.
Quote by tweeky
Everyone can debate all day they are still dangerous, the degree is not important. How many degrees does it take to kill someone :dunno:
A hazard is not dangerous per se. It is the risk of it occuring that makes it dangerous. This is the basis of Lord Youngs report on common sense being applied to health and safety. It is the thinking that all dangers have to be removed to save us from ourselves that has made this country worry over insignificant actions and ignore the more serious i.e. village halls banning village fetes in case something goes wrong.
Looking at this scenario, smoking has never been a major cause of accidents or has a large number of court appearances for dangerous driving. I have done a search and came up with nothing at all. However, using a mobile phone is a major cause of accidents and has resulted in court cases for dangerous driving.
Looking at it sensibly you will have about as much chance of having a crash smoking a fag as you would chatting to your wife or mate in the car.
Dave_Notts
Sex God
Quote by Dave__Notts
Looking at this scenario, smoking has never been a major cause of accidents or has a large number of court appearances for dangerous driving. I have done a search and came up with nothing at all. However, using a mobile phone is a major cause of accidents and has resulted in court cases for dangerous driving.
Dave_Notts
You didnt look very hard
3/16/2010 2:32:00 PM
Dropped cigarette ash leads to car crash
COTTONWOOD - A bizarre incident occurred early Saturday just before 5 a.m. A woman in her 20s was reportedly driving on Cove Parkway when ashes from her cigarette spilled onto her pants.
The woman reacted by opening the door of the car and swiping away at the burning ashes to get them off her leg. During her panic, the driver fell from the car onto the street, near Sawmill Drive.
As the woman fell out of the car, the vehicle continued rolling uncontrolled into the Safeway parking lot. The vehicle spun around striking a protective ballard pole near the arches in the center of the Safeway building. The car climbed the ballard and tipped over on its side, with the wheels still spinning.
Cottonwood Fire dispatched two crews, under the impression that the two were separate incidents, and later discovered it was the same call.
The woman was treated for injuries to her extremities and transported to the Verde Valley Medical Center.
Nurse Daniel Wellard, who killed a mother of three when he bent down to pick up his cigarette while driving to work, has been told to carry out 100 hours of community service. Daniel Wellard veered on to the wrong side of an A-road and crashed head-on into Deborah Lawson’s car. Wellard, 30, from Minster-on-Sea, Kent, pleaded guilty to causing death by careless driving and apologised in a letter to Maidstone magistrates.
‘This is something I will never forgive myself for,’ he said.
He was banned for a year. Mrs Lawson, 43, has three grown-up children.
The accident happened last October on the A26 at Wateringbury, Kent.
I had no problem finding more. Google is your friend.
I smoked, I never smoked whilst driving. I could actually manage to go 4 hours without a fag it was not that hard.
So we all appear to agree that dogs should be secured in a vehicle and that smokers are again the route of all evil! Perhaps we should ban all smokers from driving, just to air on the side of caution. Oh and those drivers who fail to indicate, maintain braking distances, drive to fast and to slow, fail to keep their number plates and lights clean, change radio stations, use sat-navs, undertake, cross solid white lines, fail to bring the vehicle to a stand still at a stop sign, cause other drivers to brake when joining the flow of traffic etc. Or perhaps we should just let people drive and when a driver does anything that that causes their standard of driving to fall below that seen as a legal standard they just get dealt with by the police and courts.
My point is that there are so many things that can cause distractions and so many rules of the road, that I doubt that anyone of the previous posters in this thread who drive on a regular basis have not committed at least one moving traffic offence in the last week.
We can't ban sneezing I'm afraid for all you anti-sneezers out-there. Its an involuntary reflex and is a lawful excuse as one of the factors contributing to a road traffic accident.
Happy driving
My point is that there are so many things that can cause distractions and so many rules of the road, that I doubt that anyone of the previous posters in this thread who drive on a regular basis have not committed at least one moving traffic offence in the last week.
We can't ban sneezing I'm afraid for all you anti-sneezers out-there. Its an involuntary reflex and is a lawful excuse as one of the factors contributing to a road traffic accident.
Happy driving
Sex God
Quote by flower411
So we all appear to agree that dogs should be secured in a vehicle and that smokers are again the route of all evil! Perhaps we should ban all smokers from driving, just to air on the side of caution. Oh and those drivers who fail to indicate, maintain braking distances, drive to fast and to slow, fail to keep their number plates and lights clean, change radio stations, use sat-navs, undertake, cross solid white lines, fail to bring the vehicle to a stand still at a stop sign, cause other drivers to brake when joining the flow of traffic etc. Or perhaps we should just let people drive and when a driver does anything that that causes their standard of driving to fall below that seen as a legal standard they just get dealt with by the police and courts.
My point is that there are so many things that can cause distractions and so many rules of the road, that I doubt that anyone of the previous posters in this thread who drive on a regular basis have not committed at least one moving traffic offence in the last week.
We can't ban sneezing I'm afraid for all you anti-sneezers out-there. Its an involuntary reflex and is a lawful excuse as one of the factors contributing to a road traffic accident.
Happy driving
Yeah !! But it`s such fun winding smokers up cos they get so defensive and it`s hilarious watching them trying to defend their irresponsible behaviour :giggle:
Most people who do all those other things would probably hold their hands up and admit being a wally but point out how bad it is to smoke and drive and they`ll deny it all, making excuses just like any other addict does.
:thumbup:
Sex God
Quote by tweeky
Yeah !! But it`s such fun winding smokers up cos they get so defensive and it`s hilarious watching them trying to defend their irresponsible behaviour :giggle:
Most people who do all those other things would probably hold their hands up and admit being a wally but point out how bad it is to smoke and drive and they`ll deny it all, making excuses just like any other addict does.
:thumbup:
Personally we blame all those damn nicotine addicted basset hounds who just won't stop smoking whilst they are being transported, unrestrained in their owners cars - and you know what?
The buggers just won't stop messing with the CD players and sat-navs - is this an addiction also?
And while we're at it the labrador insists on eating his ice-cream cone and operating the windscreen wipers at the same time - should we chastise him? or buy him a new bone?
Oh - and don't get us started on the fekkin cats - just cos it's called a jaguar it doesn't mean they're in charge!
The buggers just won't stop messing with the CD players and sat-navs - is this an addiction also?
And while we're at it the labrador insists on eating his ice-cream cone and operating the windscreen wipers at the same time - should we chastise him? or buy him a new bone?
Oh - and don't get us started on the fekkin cats - just cos it's called a jaguar it doesn't mean they're in charge!
Quote by twiceasmuchfun
So we all appear to agree that dogs should be secured in a vehicle and that smokers are again the route of all evil! Perhaps we should ban all smokers from driving, just to air on the side of caution. Oh and those drivers who fail to indicate, maintain braking distances, drive to fast and to slow, fail to keep their number plates and lights clean, change radio stations, use sat-navs, undertake, cross solid white lines, fail to bring the vehicle to a stand still at a stop sign, cause other drivers to brake when joining the flow of traffic etc. Or perhaps we should just let people drive and when a driver does anything that that causes their standard of driving to fall below that seen as a legal standard they just get dealt with by the police and courts.
My point is that there are so many things that can cause distractions and so many rules of the road, that I doubt that anyone of the previous posters in this thread who drive on a regular basis have not committed at least one moving traffic offence in the last week.
We can't ban sneezing I'm afraid for all you anti-sneezers out-there. Its an involuntary reflex and is a lawful excuse as one of the factors contributing to a road traffic accident.
Happy driving
reading that i have just realised what a bloody good driver i am and how considerate i am.
people who do /dont do all of those things drive me mad.
i always indicate, never tail gate, drive at the appropriate speed etc , maybe i was just taught to drive by an excellent instructor.
i have been known to sneeze, but as im such a lawfull driver its never resulted in a accident.
lol xxx fem xxx
Quote by flower411
Looking at this scenario, smoking has never been a major cause of accidents or has a large number of court appearances for dangerous driving. I have done a search and came up with nothing at all. However, using a mobile phone is a major cause of accidents and has resulted in court cases for dangerous driving.
Dave_Notts
You didnt look very hard
3/16/2010 2:32:00 PM
Dropped cigarette ash leads to car crash
COTTONWOOD - A bizarre incident occurred early Saturday just before 5 a.m. A woman in her 20s was reportedly driving on Cove Parkway when ashes from her cigarette spilled onto her pants.
The woman reacted by opening the door of the car and swiping away at the burning ashes to get them off her leg. During her panic, the driver fell from the car onto the street, near Sawmill Drive.
As the woman fell out of the car, the vehicle continued rolling uncontrolled into the Safeway parking lot. The vehicle spun around striking a protective ballard pole near the arches in the center of the Safeway building. The car climbed the ballard and tipped over on its side, with the wheels still spinning.
Cottonwood Fire dispatched two crews, under the impression that the two were separate incidents, and later discovered it was the same call.
The woman was treated for injuries to her extremities and transported to the Verde Valley Medical Center.
Nurse Daniel Wellard, who killed a mother of three when he bent down to pick up his cigarette while driving to work, has been told to carry out 100 hours of community service. Daniel Wellard veered on to the wrong side of an A-road and crashed head-on into Deborah Lawson’s car. Wellard, 30, from Minster-on-Sea, Kent, pleaded guilty to causing death by careless driving and apologised in a letter to Maidstone magistrates.
‘This is something I will never forgive myself for,’ he said.
He was banned for a year. Mrs Lawson, 43, has three grown-up children.
The accident happened last October on the A26 at Wateringbury, Kent.
I had no problem finding more. Google is your friend.
I smoked, I never smoked whilst driving. I could actually manage to go 4 hours without a fag it was not that hard.
Maybe Dave had smoke in his eyes and couldn`t see properly
Perhaps you missed the "major" bit in my post
One or two episodes is not a major cause of accidents. Both of them caused their accidents through careless behaviour i.e. doing something that the normal person would not do. The cause was gross stupidity and not the act of smoking.
twiceasmuchfun put it nicely when they said "we should just let people drive and when a driver does anything that that causes their standard of driving to fall below that seen as a legal standard they just get dealt with by the police and courts."
As for the dog thing.........if you have that mesh on the back when you do a severe emergency stop or even crash and go from fast to zero very quickly...........do you get diced dog?
Dave_Notts
Sex God
Quote by Dave__Notts
Looking at this scenario, smoking has never been a major cause of accidents or has a large number of court appearances for dangerous driving. I have done a search and came up with nothing at all. However, using a mobile phone is a major cause of accidents and has resulted in court cases for dangerous driving.
Dave_Notts
You didnt look very hard
3/16/2010 2:32:00 PM
Dropped cigarette ash leads to car crash
COTTONWOOD - A bizarre incident occurred early Saturday just before 5 a.m. A woman in her 20s was reportedly driving on Cove Parkway when ashes from her cigarette spilled onto her pants.
The woman reacted by opening the door of the car and swiping away at the burning ashes to get them off her leg. During her panic, the driver fell from the car onto the street, near Sawmill Drive.
As the woman fell out of the car, the vehicle continued rolling uncontrolled into the Safeway parking lot. The vehicle spun around striking a protective ballard pole near the arches in the center of the Safeway building. The car climbed the ballard and tipped over on its side, with the wheels still spinning.
Cottonwood Fire dispatched two crews, under the impression that the two were separate incidents, and later discovered it was the same call.
The woman was treated for injuries to her extremities and transported to the Verde Valley Medical Center.
Nurse Daniel Wellard, who killed a mother of three when he bent down to pick up his cigarette while driving to work, has been told to carry out 100 hours of community service. Daniel Wellard veered on to the wrong side of an A-road and crashed head-on into Deborah Lawson’s car. Wellard, 30, from Minster-on-Sea, Kent, pleaded guilty to causing death by careless driving and apologised in a letter to Maidstone magistrates.
‘This is something I will never forgive myself for,’ he said.
He was banned for a year. Mrs Lawson, 43, has three grown-up children.
The accident happened last October on the A26 at Wateringbury, Kent.
I had no problem finding more. Google is your friend.
I smoked, I never smoked whilst driving. I could actually manage to go 4 hours without a fag it was not that hard.
Maybe Dave had smoke in his eyes and couldn`t see properly
Perhaps you missed the "major" bit in my post
One or two episodes is not a major cause of accidents. Both of them caused their accidents through careless behaviour i.e. doing something that the normal person would not do. The cause was gross stupidity and not the act of smoking.
twiceasmuchfun put it nicely when they said "we should just let people drive and when a driver does anything that that causes their standard of driving to fall below that seen as a legal standard they just get dealt with by the police and courts."
As for the dog thing.........if you have that mesh on the back when you do a severe emergency stop or even crash and go from fast to zero very quickly...........do you get diced dog?
Do you have some evidence to prove they were abnormal Dave?
Casanova
Yeah !! But it`s such fun winding smokers up cos they get so defensive and it`s hilarious watching them trying to defend their irresponsible behaviour :giggle:
Most people who do all those other things would probably hold their hands up and admit being a wally but point out how bad it is to smoke and drive and they`ll deny it all, making excuses just like any other addict does.
:laughabove::thumbup::laughabove:
:evil2: I didnt think me saying ... Smoking frustrates me... how the hell can you drive properly with a fab in your hand?? Would kick up a stink. Ooops sorry
Most people who do all those other things would probably hold their hands up and admit being a wally but point out how bad it is to smoke and drive and they`ll deny it all, making excuses just like any other addict does.
:laughabove::thumbup::laughabove:
:evil2: I didnt think me saying ... Smoking frustrates me... how the hell can you drive properly with a fab in your hand?? Would kick up a stink. Ooops sorry
Smokers are always an easy target for non smokers because it is something that they don't do. They tend to leave the other subjects alone because they can't deny their association with it.
The biggest drain on NHS resources is no longer smoking related illness but eating related illness.
The use of mobile phones has been proven to affect a drivers reaction time in the same way that drink driving does, hence the tv campaigns. Never seen one for don't smoke and drive as there is a high probability that you will drop you fag and burn your ass!! Why? Because in the world of road safety its not a prolific problem.
So if you're a fat telephone using driver, think................. Don't eat, talk and drive!! Get ya gob wired shut and save us all a lot of money and the roads would be a much safer place!!
The biggest drain on NHS resources is no longer smoking related illness but eating related illness.
The use of mobile phones has been proven to affect a drivers reaction time in the same way that drink driving does, hence the tv campaigns. Never seen one for don't smoke and drive as there is a high probability that you will drop you fag and burn your ass!! Why? Because in the world of road safety its not a prolific problem.
So if you're a fat telephone using driver, think................. Don't eat, talk and drive!! Get ya gob wired shut and save us all a lot of money and the roads would be a much safer place!!
