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Nope, not needed here either, Fred is quite able to get himself in deep trouble!
Onward and upward!
lhk
Kat
Hey! - just a minute - it was you that got me into this mess in the first place - get back here!
Oy!
Where did he go?
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NO TO DRUGS NOT NEGOTIABLE IN MY OPINION.
SCOURGE OF SOCIETY CAUSES GUN DEATHS VIOLENT STREETS MESSES UP LIVES.
Caffeine and paracetemol do not make you want to fly in the air of the top of a high rise do they?
I have personal experience of seeing someone die in front of me from a drug overdose I massaged their heart in vain and they died in my arms five years ago in New York.
I will not compromise on drugds and swinging I do not see how they go together.
Sorry this thread from me is without humour.
Go safe and hi to Jags.
Sandie
NO TO DRUGS NOT NEGOTIABLE IN MY OPINION.
SCOURGE OF SOCIETY CAUSES GUN DEATHS VIOLENT STREETS MESSES UP LIVES.
Caffeine and paracetemol do not make you want to fly in the air of the top of a high rise do they?
I have personal experience of seeing someone die in front of me from a drug overdose I massaged their heart in vain and they died in my arms five years ago in New York.
I will not compromise on drugds and swinging I do not see how they go together.
Sorry this thread from me is without humour.
Go safe and hi to Jags.
Sandie
Quote by KitKatJags, it is cruel to pick on an unarmed man like that!OK, ok, you may have a point..... Let me see what I can do!
Jags said:
Sharpens wit for later
no need to thank me Fred
lhk
Kat
UNARMED - FRED - UNARMED ...he's got a Yorkie hidden under his shirt - sure it's going to melt soon though cos he's sweating so much!!
SANDIE - hi babe!! x x
Sex God
Lesmond - swingers are no more likely to take illegal drugs than anyone else in society. I'm not sure what your point is really, but my point is backed up by research evidence - are yours?
Personally, I don't like having any sort of sex with anyone who is off their face, whether on drugs or alcohol, but each to their own, some like it that way. I also see alcohol use and abuse as a much more serious problem in society than any illegal drug. That's not to say that I am endorsing people use more drugs, but I am saying that people should drink less alcohol.
Sandie - large amounts of caffeine DO make you want to fly in the air, take 10 pro-plus all at once and see how you feel - no, don't, it makes you feel ill afterwards
Personally, I don't like having any sort of sex with anyone who is off their face, whether on drugs or alcohol, but each to their own, some like it that way. I also see alcohol use and abuse as a much more serious problem in society than any illegal drug. That's not to say that I am endorsing people use more drugs, but I am saying that people should drink less alcohol.
Sandie - large amounts of caffeine DO make you want to fly in the air, take 10 pro-plus all at once and see how you feel - no, don't, it makes you feel ill afterwards
Drugs do not cause misery or crime.
The misuse of drugs by people cause misery. The addiction to a drug and the need to purchase it causes crime.
Change DRUGS to ALCOHOL and the sentence has the same meaning.
Alcohol, is a drug.
Nicotine, is a drug.
OK, so you've got a problem with drugs and people who use them.
Tough.
Now, get onto another subject.
This site has/had a policy of not criticising others choice in enjoyment.
You don't like it, others do.
The misuse of drugs by people cause misery. The addiction to a drug and the need to purchase it causes crime.
Change DRUGS to ALCOHOL and the sentence has the same meaning.
Alcohol, is a drug.
Nicotine, is a drug.
OK, so you've got a problem with drugs and people who use them.
Tough.
Now, get onto another subject.
This site has/had a policy of not criticising others choice in enjoyment.
You don't like it, others do.
Lesmond,
Mind you don't hurt yourself when you fall off your high horse. Some people choose to use drugs, millions of people use canabis. No it's not harmeless but or is skiing, you should see my knee. It's cost the NHS a fortune. It's a personal choice, as is swinging.
If you want to see something REALLY dangereous look for the ads asking for 'bareback' I suppose they think only drug users can pick up HIV? Now that practice SHOULD not be advertised.
Anyway I'm off to drink twelve pints of (legal, taxed) Guinness, get into a fight and throw up in a taxi......
Mind you don't hurt yourself when you fall off your high horse. Some people choose to use drugs, millions of people use canabis. No it's not harmeless but or is skiing, you should see my knee. It's cost the NHS a fortune. It's a personal choice, as is swinging.
If you want to see something REALLY dangereous look for the ads asking for 'bareback' I suppose they think only drug users can pick up HIV? Now that practice SHOULD not be advertised.
Anyway I'm off to drink twelve pints of (legal, taxed) Guinness, get into a fight and throw up in a taxi......
I have a friend that uses illegal drugs on a regular basis. Purely so that she can enjoy life. In fact, as time goes on, it is swiftly becoming the only way that she is able to enjoy life, she has become dependant on this drug and cannot do without it. Part of this is physiological, part is psychological. She also takes many other drugs for her MS. But strangely, pot is probably the least dangerous, and most effective of all the drugs she takes, legal or illegal. I don't have a problem with her drug use.
I also have friends who use the same drug on a purely recreational basis. When we go round their house, I drink beer, they smoke dope. I compromise over their drug use.
This same drug is being sold outside my childrens school, to children who attend the school, and being sold inside the school, by students at the school. I do have a problem with this. I do not compromise over this.
I am sure I could list a thousand other situations where people use illegal drugs, and I would have a different reaction to each of them.
Generalisation is a fools paradise, and anyone who enters it can expected to look foolish.
Kat
I also have friends who use the same drug on a purely recreational basis. When we go round their house, I drink beer, they smoke dope. I compromise over their drug use.
This same drug is being sold outside my childrens school, to children who attend the school, and being sold inside the school, by students at the school. I do have a problem with this. I do not compromise over this.
I am sure I could list a thousand other situations where people use illegal drugs, and I would have a different reaction to each of them.
Generalisation is a fools paradise, and anyone who enters it can expected to look foolish.
Kat
Hi All
I am not saying nor inferred anything against anyone's personal choice.
It is that I have personally seen the problems twice in my life brought about by drug abuse.
Last year I was nearly killed in the crossfire in a London restaurant as two Yardie gangs shot it out over my head with bullets flying everywhere.
What was the cause for this arms display?HARD DRUGS
Secondly I cradled a girl in my arms as she died on a pavement in front of me in 1998 in New York. Cause? Overdose HARD DRUGS.
I understand the comments on this thread about other addictions and the numerous other drugs commonly accepted in society.
But anyone with any common sense can tell the difference between these and the real dangers that lurk.
Lecturing us on alcohol abuse and nicotene, Skiing injuries, and driving etc all so called socially acceptable dangers, clouds the issue and appeases the drug dealers and the crime and death and mayhem that then ensues.
I understand that an MS sufferer may find solace and comfort in canabis if so legalise for that person on prescription. But keep the rest illegal.
Canabis can lead to heroin to ecstacy etc.
In summary my view is I would not entertain anyone swinging with me high on anything as it makes me feel uncomfortable.
I am sure others have another view.
Go safe and have fun.
Sandie
I am not saying nor inferred anything against anyone's personal choice.
It is that I have personally seen the problems twice in my life brought about by drug abuse.
Last year I was nearly killed in the crossfire in a London restaurant as two Yardie gangs shot it out over my head with bullets flying everywhere.
What was the cause for this arms display?HARD DRUGS
Secondly I cradled a girl in my arms as she died on a pavement in front of me in 1998 in New York. Cause? Overdose HARD DRUGS.
I understand the comments on this thread about other addictions and the numerous other drugs commonly accepted in society.
But anyone with any common sense can tell the difference between these and the real dangers that lurk.
Lecturing us on alcohol abuse and nicotene, Skiing injuries, and driving etc all so called socially acceptable dangers, clouds the issue and appeases the drug dealers and the crime and death and mayhem that then ensues.
I understand that an MS sufferer may find solace and comfort in canabis if so legalise for that person on prescription. But keep the rest illegal.
Canabis can lead to heroin to ecstacy etc.
In summary my view is I would not entertain anyone swinging with me high on anything as it makes me feel uncomfortable.
I am sure others have another view.
Go safe and have fun.
Sandie
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Quote by sandie
Canabis can lead to heroin to ecstacy etc.
Sorry to hear about your past Sandie. I am sure everybody understands the dangers of gangs, pushers, and the involvement of drugs that has a tendancy to go hand in hand with dangerous (gun) crimes. Being part of a 'gang' can give you a high. You feel accepted for who you are, no matter of any downfalls you have. This is the addictive thing that gangs can hold on an addictive personality.
I took this phrase out of you post because I'm a little weary of it. I believe (my oppinion) is that it is not the slippery slope of trying softer drugs can lead you to the harder. I think it is an addictive personality that is the downfall of so many. I think the only connection canabis has with the harder drugs is the fact that they can come from the same person.
If you had to go to a shop to buy canabis you would not have to put up with any pierpreasures from pushers and dealers, wanting to get more business out of you. Once they know you can easily be addicted to one substance they will try to keep you close by giving you more and more to 'try'. It is this hard sell approach that is bad. It is these people who should be punished and the rest 'users' can mostly be rehabilitated.
On the flip side, if you legalise canabis it may loose its danger value. The slight thrill people can get from doing something illegal. So what is next on the drug choice? E, speed, coke? The next 'softer' drug will suddenly become the big thing for drug users and pushers. Yet the people who choose to do canabis may not get the preasures to try anything else.
Just one thought anyway.
Warming the Bed
not many admitting to it is there ??
Has this thread got clouded in some way. We believe the person that wrote the first post was trying to say "the swinging scene is infected with drug abuse". Well if it is we must be going around with our eyes closed as in the 2 (very active) years we have been swinging, we have only ever come across any drug taking once (apart from some guys and girls using viagra). This was at a club and was a girl who was sniffing a bottle of poppers at the point of orgasm. We did say 2 active years this means we swing most weeks and have travelled very extensively across the country to meet people, we are also very active in the club scene.
We also have adds on many different sites and as far as we can recollect have never come across an add that actually states they take drugs.
Paul N Olive
We also have adds on many different sites and as far as we can recollect have never come across an add that actually states they take drugs.
Paul N Olive
some of you say you have never seen people advertising the fact they take drugs look at some of the couples adverts on dds site on there profiles it tells you personally i think they are sad if they have to take drugs for enjoyment purposes and if thats the only way they enjoy life it is a sad world they need to get out more Drugs, and their misuse, have been a problem since they were first formulated.
I won't go-on about the opium-dens etc..
Along with everything else in this society, drugs became mass-produced.
Now, drugs are "designed" for the effect wanted.
The old drugs, like cannabis and heroin (derived from opium) are fast giving way to cracked cocaine and a large variety of amphetamines.
Drugs are part of the larger problem of crime.
The majority of deaths from drugs are due to overdose, largely due to illegally purchased drugs being of indeterminate strength.
I prefer not to go into the morality of drugs, not on this site anyway !
I would like to think the problem is solvable, but I don't.
My personal point-of-view is that since crime is really big business today, both crime and drugs are problems without a solution.
And since stats show that alcohol is a factor in nearly 40% of crime..... ?
And while I sympathise about people dying from drugs, they really are not doing so in such large numbers....they just look as if they are.
3600 die from motor accidents every year....is the car really that important ?
Over 2000 have died this year in aviation accidents.
A sense of proportion is needed I think.
I won't go-on about the opium-dens etc..
Along with everything else in this society, drugs became mass-produced.
Now, drugs are "designed" for the effect wanted.
The old drugs, like cannabis and heroin (derived from opium) are fast giving way to cracked cocaine and a large variety of amphetamines.
Drugs are part of the larger problem of crime.
The majority of deaths from drugs are due to overdose, largely due to illegally purchased drugs being of indeterminate strength.
I prefer not to go into the morality of drugs, not on this site anyway !
I would like to think the problem is solvable, but I don't.
My personal point-of-view is that since crime is really big business today, both crime and drugs are problems without a solution.
And since stats show that alcohol is a factor in nearly 40% of crime..... ?
And while I sympathise about people dying from drugs, they really are not doing so in such large numbers....they just look as if they are.
3600 die from motor accidents every year....is the car really that important ?
Over 2000 have died this year in aviation accidents.
A sense of proportion is needed I think.
Quote by lesmond
...look at some of the couples adverts on dds site ....
This isn't dds site it's Swinging Heaven. We have a strict policy of not allowing ads with reference to drugs and this has already been explained. I think you've heard all the arguments you're gonna hear from the people on this site. If you want to argue the point about dds ads then I suggest you go there and do it.
Quote by jomu
I won't go-on about the opium-dens etc.......not on this site anyway !
I agree. Unless somebody can give me good reason to change my mind then this topic is now locked and will sink down the message board without trace.
