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Surely it's about the fact that, culturally, we have long held the dog as a domestic pet rather than a food source?
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Quote by brucie
there was an article about this in a sunday paper today. i dont get the eoutrage. whats the difference between dog meat and cow, pig or lamb???
dog meat is a very different texture and flavour brucie maybe because dogs are meat eaters where as pigs cows and lambs (sheep is the correct context btw)are of course not !!
why dont you hop off to vietnam and try it brucie then you could give us your experienced and valid opinion
Orgasminator
Turn up on ready steady cook with a big bag of vegetables and a labradoodle on a lead brucie, I would love to see the audience reaction. 
Im guessing they would kick you to death to save the dog
I dont judge other cultures for their choices, often historically made from necessity, but I would not eat deep fried insects, carp or drink the blood of cows / goats / snakes either.
Im guessing they would kick you to death to save the dog
I dont judge other cultures for their choices, often historically made from necessity, but I would not eat deep fried insects, carp or drink the blood of cows / goats / snakes either.
Quote by Big_Fraser
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I dont judge other cultures for their choices, often historically made from necessity, but I would not eat deep fried insects, carp or drink the blood of cows / goats / snakes either.
If you buy from a supermarket or eat pre-prepared or processed food from any source, can you be so certain about what additives are, or not as the case may be, included?
Quote by noladreams
Surely it's about the fact that, culturally, we have long held the dog as a domestic pet rather than a food source?
As, culturally, the English now do with the rabbit but in times past, the rabbit was a very important source of cheap nourishing food, low on cholesterol (although I doubt they thought of that at the time) and great tasting in a stew. Families would keep/breed/harvest rabbits just for the food source (as well as getting a few from the local poacher) but the kids would nurture them in the hutches and even give them names.
Orgasminator
Quote by brucie
but what gives some english the right to tell the vietnamese or koreans what animals they can eat???
Which newspaper do you read that has 'English nonces' writing for them??
Maybe we should do an exposé on the journalists who work there
During my travels I have been about a bit. In Cambodia dog meat is widely eaten by the locals who are of the poor spectrum of society (that makes up about 70% of the population).
I was shocked at first, seeing dogs in small baskets but then spoke to the owner of the hotel I was staying at.
I was informed that this was just the done thing and financially made good sense. Dogs mate, have pups, then the pups are reared and when old enough/big enough eaten. This ensures that there are not thousands of stray dogs all over the place (they dont have the money/resources to neuter their dogs) and provides a valuable and readily available food source.
I have lived in/with a few different cultures from various parts of the world and have eaten some strange things.
One thing is always evident, it is resources vs finances. We in the UK and Western worls take SO much for granted. Even the poor end of the social spectrum usually has resonably decent nutritional opportunities. WE moan far too much. How many times I've heard "I'm skint at the moment" and the person still has enough money to buy food, put petrol in car and buy things that would seem like utter luxury in other parts of the world that we just take as the norm. Some people in the world really are absolutely living from hand to mouth and if there is an abundance of dogs mating and the meat is there, they eat it.
We probably see it as sickening because we in the UK and western world see dogs as pets. That's because we are quite affluent as a nation and very, very few are living anywhere that could be construed as hand to mouth. We have a benefits system that ensures we have enough to feed us and housing benefit to keep a roof over us. If we didn't and things were tight, and I mean really tight, I'm sure Rover would look much more appetising when our kids were starving?
I was shocked at first, seeing dogs in small baskets but then spoke to the owner of the hotel I was staying at.
I was informed that this was just the done thing and financially made good sense. Dogs mate, have pups, then the pups are reared and when old enough/big enough eaten. This ensures that there are not thousands of stray dogs all over the place (they dont have the money/resources to neuter their dogs) and provides a valuable and readily available food source.
I have lived in/with a few different cultures from various parts of the world and have eaten some strange things.
One thing is always evident, it is resources vs finances. We in the UK and Western worls take SO much for granted. Even the poor end of the social spectrum usually has resonably decent nutritional opportunities. WE moan far too much. How many times I've heard "I'm skint at the moment" and the person still has enough money to buy food, put petrol in car and buy things that would seem like utter luxury in other parts of the world that we just take as the norm. Some people in the world really are absolutely living from hand to mouth and if there is an abundance of dogs mating and the meat is there, they eat it.
We probably see it as sickening because we in the UK and western world see dogs as pets. That's because we are quite affluent as a nation and very, very few are living anywhere that could be construed as hand to mouth. We have a benefits system that ensures we have enough to feed us and housing benefit to keep a roof over us. If we didn't and things were tight, and I mean really tight, I'm sure Rover would look much more appetising when our kids were starving?
Sex God
Quote by Srne
During my travels I have been about a bit. In Cambodia dog meat is widely eaten by the locals who are of the poor spectrum of society (that makes up about 70% of the population).
I was shocked at first, seeing dogs in small baskets but then spoke to the owner of the hotel I was staying at.
I was informed that this was just the done thing and financially made good sense. Dogs mate, have pups, then the pups are reared and when old enough/big enough eaten. This ensures that there are not thousands of stray dogs all over the place (they dont have the money/resources to neuter their dogs) and provides a valuable and readily available food source.
I have lived in/with a few different cultures from various parts of the world and have eaten some strange things.
One thing is always evident, it is resources vs finances. We in the UK and Western worls take SO much for granted. Even the poor end of the social spectrum usually has resonably decent nutritional opportunities. WE moan far too much. How many times I've heard "I'm skint at the moment" and the person still has enough money to buy food, put petrol in car and buy things that would seem like utter luxury in other parts of the world that we just take as the norm. Some people in the world really are absolutely living from hand to mouth and if there is an abundance of dogs mating and the meat is there, they eat it.
We probably see it as sickening because we in the UK and western world see dogs as pets. That's because we are quite affluent as a nation and very, very few are living anywhere that could be construed as hand to mouth. We have a benefits system that ensures we have enough to feed us and housing benefit to keep a roof over us. If we didn't and things were tight, and I mean really tight, I'm sure Rover would look much more appetising when our kids were starving?
I think a lot of it comes down to the way the animal is percived in both personality and inteligence. Dogs are useful for things other than food, ever seen a cow fetch a dead rabbit? They will also curl up next to you in front of the fire, I'll pass on trying that with a cow
Take this to the next level. Once watched a programe on the TV about people who hunted and ate great apes. In an interview with one of the woman she said she couldent see how an ape was like a person or that it was any more like a person than a duck, its just an animal.
I think I do pay attention to how inteleigent my food is to a degree. I wouldent try dog or horse but would try snake or insects not that the insects appeal in anyway. I also guess I fall down on my own theory by eating pigs which are highly inteligent but I have two excuses :lol: What else would you do with a pig? and unless the entire country decides to stop theres no point in me doing so. Maybe the people in Cambodia say the same thing abot Dogs
but then I always would say dogs have more use than just food. 
Sex God
Quote by brucie
and whilst im on this rant. what the fuck are donkey sanctuaries all about. why do so many people give a fuck about some mistreated donkeys in cyprus when millions of children are starving all over the world???
For once I have to agree with you there (in sentiment at least.....I may have worded it slightly different myself though)
Sex God
Quote by GnV
snip...
I dont judge other cultures for their choices, often historically made from necessity, but I would not eat deep fried insects, carp or drink the blood of cows / goats / snakes either.
If you buy from a supermarket or eat pre-prepared or processed food from any source, can you be so certain about what additives are, or not as the case may be, included?
Quote by noladreams
Surely it's about the fact that, culturally, we have long held the dog as a domestic pet rather than a food source?
As, culturally, the English now do with the rabbit but in times past, the rabbit was a very important source of cheap nourishing food, low on cholesterol (although I doubt they thought of that at the time) and great tasting in a stew. Families would keep/breed/harvest rabbits just for the food source (as well as getting a few from the local poacher) but the kids would nurture them in the hutches and even give them names.
G n V,
noticed it's getting harder to find Chevaux (horse to the Brits) over 'here' now as well ?
(Gone are the days of 'steak 'n frites' places all over France, most of them used to serve it)
Sex God
See, I'm not that squeamish, I'll give most foodstuffs a go, especially when I'm abroad. But horse I draw the line at. Why? Because I love horses (not in a freaky weird way or in a leave-them-my-life-savings way!) I spent much of my childhood riding and taking care of horses. I suppose I have too great an emotional attachment.
Dogs? Not so much. Cows? Not bothered. Sheep, pigs, goats, fish, alligator... whatever.
I guess we all have different standards.
Dogs? Not so much. Cows? Not bothered. Sheep, pigs, goats, fish, alligator... whatever.
I guess we all have different standards.
Sex God
I have not got an issue with any animal being eaten. I want to teach my children how to catch, kill and prepare animals to eat (but she won't let me). It is a skill that I learnt as a child and I believe that it makes me more open to try new food sources, unlike my darling wife
I do however take great offence to the mistreatment of animals and believe that the only time animals should be killed is either for food or to put it out of its misery. I have eaten many thing and would try dog (but not my own pet) but I would advise anyone to stay clear of magpie, it's vile meat but squirrel on the other hand ..........yum yum!!
(This post was compiled by Lee without any input or guidance from Elaine :lol: )
I do however take great offence to the mistreatment of animals and believe that the only time animals should be killed is either for food or to put it out of its misery. I have eaten many thing and would try dog (but not my own pet) but I would advise anyone to stay clear of magpie, it's vile meat but squirrel on the other hand ..........yum yum!!
(This post was compiled by Lee without any input or guidance from Elaine :lol: )
Sex God
Quote by Steve
and whilst im on this rant. what the fuck are donkey sanctuaries all about. why do so many people give a fuck about some mistreated donkeys in cyprus when millions of children are starving all over the world???
For once I have to agree with you there (in sentiment at least.....I may have worded it slightly different myself though)
There is a donkey sanctuary darn sarf somewhere which receives so much money from people's wills that it is one of the richest charities in Britain. I mean, what's that all about? Surely they can only eat so many carrots!
Tweeky I am minded of:
You want some bacon?
No, man, I don't eat pork.
Are you Jewish ?
No, I ain't Jewish, i just don't dig on swine, that's all.
Why not?
Pigs are filthy animals. I don't eat filthy animals.
But bacon tastes good, pork chops taste good...
Hey, sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie,
But I'd never know 'cause I wouldn't eat the filthy motherfuckers.
Pigs sleep and root in shit, that's a filthy animal.
I don't eat nothin' that ain't got sense enough to disregard its own feces.
How about a dog? A dog eats its own feces
I don't eat dog either
Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal?
I wouldn't go so far as to call a dog filthy, but it's definately dirty.
But, dogs got personality, personality goes a long way.
So by that rationale, if a pig had a better personality, he would cease to be a filty animal. Is that true?
We' have to be talkin' 'bout one charmin' motherfuckin' pig.
I mean he'd have to be ten times more charmin' than that Arnold on Green Acres, you know what I'm sayin'?
You want some bacon?
No, man, I don't eat pork.
Are you Jewish ?
No, I ain't Jewish, i just don't dig on swine, that's all.
Why not?
Pigs are filthy animals. I don't eat filthy animals.
But bacon tastes good, pork chops taste good...
Hey, sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie,
But I'd never know 'cause I wouldn't eat the filthy motherfuckers.
Pigs sleep and root in shit, that's a filthy animal.
I don't eat nothin' that ain't got sense enough to disregard its own feces.
How about a dog? A dog eats its own feces
I don't eat dog either
Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal?
I wouldn't go so far as to call a dog filthy, but it's definately dirty.
But, dogs got personality, personality goes a long way.
So by that rationale, if a pig had a better personality, he would cease to be a filty animal. Is that true?
We' have to be talkin' 'bout one charmin' motherfuckin' pig.
I mean he'd have to be ten times more charmin' than that Arnold on Green Acres, you know what I'm sayin'?
Sex God
Quote by Ben_Minx
Tweeky I am minded of:
You want some bacon?
No, man, I don't eat pork.
Are you Jewish ?
No, I ain't Jewish, i just don't dig on swine, that's all.
Why not?
Pigs are filthy animals. I don't eat filthy animals.
But bacon tastes good, pork chops taste good...
Hey, sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie,
But I'd never know 'cause I wouldn't eat the filthy motherfuckers.
Pigs sleep and root in shit, that's a filthy animal.
I don't eat nothin' that ain't got sense enough to disregard its own feces.
How about a dog? A dog eats its own feces
I don't eat dog either
Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal?
I wouldn't go so far as to call a dog filthy, but it's definately dirty.
But, dogs got personality, personality goes a long way.
So by that rationale, if a pig had a better personality, he would cease to be a filty animal. Is that true?
We' have to be talkin' 'bout one charmin' motherfuckin' pig.
I mean he'd have to be ten times more charmin' than that Arnold on Green Acres, you know what I'm sayin'?
I was reading this out to Lee and he came out with the last line at the same time I did. How is it that men can remember soooo many quotes from films and I cant even remember what I went into the kitchen for?
Sex God
Dogs arn't carvivores like cats - they are omnivores like pigs. Given as clean/healthy a life as British food meat I would be happy to eat dog. Not keen on insects - but happy to try alligator (greasy) and kangaroo (delish).
One reason we don't eat horses here (anymore) is they are seen as working or pet animals and therefore get vetinary medications which are often banned in food-meat.
Eating an animal is not an act of cruelty (so long as it's dead). But keeping one alive in suffering is.
To my mind animals have 3 purposes - wild, working and meat. I can see that people have a soft spot for pets - so let's make that a fourth.
But a pet with no owner? A pet that can't be rehomed because it is mentaly damaged? Pointless and a waste of resources. In other countries unwanted pets are kept for a bit to try to rehome them and, if that doesn't work, put down. What's the problem with that?
(I guess I am in for a rant or two about 'what if it was a child' It isn't. 'But they are so cute' Irrelavent. 'But they love their handlers'. No they don't, they'd slobber on anyone that offered them food.)
One reason we don't eat horses here (anymore) is they are seen as working or pet animals and therefore get vetinary medications which are often banned in food-meat.
Eating an animal is not an act of cruelty (so long as it's dead). But keeping one alive in suffering is.
To my mind animals have 3 purposes - wild, working and meat. I can see that people have a soft spot for pets - so let's make that a fourth.
But a pet with no owner? A pet that can't be rehomed because it is mentaly damaged? Pointless and a waste of resources. In other countries unwanted pets are kept for a bit to try to rehome them and, if that doesn't work, put down. What's the problem with that?
(I guess I am in for a rant or two about 'what if it was a child' It isn't. 'But they are so cute' Irrelavent. 'But they love their handlers'. No they don't, they'd slobber on anyone that offered them food.)
Sex God
A lot of this thread is talking about the UK perception of animals. With that in mind I thought to add this. In this country we seem to have as much of a supply of Pork, Chicken, beef,, Turkey, Lamb etc etc as we could ever want. I have never tasted Ostrich. If I died next week and had never tasted Ostrich I couldent give a shit. There are other people who want to taste everything under the sun and will try anything. In just the UK should we not say simply we have enough meat? Do we really need to start bringing in animals whos normal habbitat is not here so we can have yet more choice? If variety is the tasty spice of life for some people then fine if they want to travel or buy imports but do we really need more meat farmed in the UK?
Sex God
Quote by brucie
and whilst im on this rant. what the fuck are donkey sanctuaries all about. why do so many people give a fuck about some mistreated donkeys in cyprus when millions of children are starving all over the world???
For once I have to agree with you there (in sentiment at least.....I may have worded it slightly different myself though)
There is a donkey sanctuary darn sarf somewhere which receives so much money from people's wills that it is one of the richest charities in Britain. I mean, what's that all about? Surely they can only eat so many carrots!
thats the one im thinking about. they fucking advertise in the law society gazette regularly. fucking lawyers screw people all their lives then decide to help donkeys when they die...
And by doing so still screw people
Your surprised? :shock: Sex God
Quote by tweeky
A lot of this thread is talking about the UK perception of animals. With that in mind I thought to add this. In this country we seem to have as much of a supply of Pork, Chicken, beef,, Turkey, Lamb etc etc as we could ever want. I have never tasted Ostrich. If I died next week and had never tasted Ostrich I couldent give a shit. There are other people who want to taste everything under the sun and will try anything. In just the UK should we not say simply we have enough meat? Do we really need to start bringing in animals whos normal habbitat is not here so we can have yet more choice? If variety is the tasty spice of life for some people then fine if they want to travel or buy imports but do we really need more meat farmed in the UK?
Cuts the food miles and employs people. Two stonking good reasons to my mind. Bearing in mind most of our current food animals from chickens to cows were imported originally anyay. (OK the cattle were brought over in the neolithic/bronze age - but the point it valid).
Quote by foxylady2209
But a pet with no owner? A pet that can't be rehomed because it is mentaly damaged? Pointless and a waste of resources. In other countries unwanted pets are kept for a bit to try to rehome them and, if that doesn't work, put down. What's the problem with that?
(I guess I am in for a rant or two about 'what if it was a child' It isn't. 'But they are so cute' Irrelavent. 'But they love their handlers'. No they don't, they'd slobber on anyone that offered them food.)
I couldn't agree more foxy.
Here in rural France dogs and cats are not so much kept as pets but for practical reasons. If the 'pet' no longer performs, it has to go - simple.
Where the problem lies is mainly associated with the expats. They see a cat, often heavily pregnant, on their doorstep and they take it in all lovey-dovey like and give it saucer of milk instead of drowning the bastard thing. Result, 10 more feral cats to house.... ffs.
They see a chasse hound strung up by its gonads on a country fence and complain about the French being heartless. The bloody hound couldn't catch game any more or keep up with the pack - a liability and costly to feed so it had to go.
Life is hard and then you die. Its the natural order of things in the country.
Sex God
Quote by foxylady2209
Cuts the food miles and employs people. Two stonking good reasons to my mind. Bearing in mind most of our current food animals from chickens to cows were imported originally anyay. (OK the cattle were brought over in the neolithic/bronze age - but the point it valid).
The food miles point, just dont eat it my point was we dont need anymore so
As for jobs hmm well I guess when somene eats a plate of ostrich or kangaroo they dont have chicken or beef and if that were to grow at some point one industry will impact the other so jobs will be countracted or lost elsewhere. I think if cattle have been here since the bronze age I think thats a bit of an old arguement boom boom Quote by GnV
I couldn't agree more foxy.
Here in rural France dogs and cats are not so much kept as pets but for practical reasons. If the 'pet' no longer performs, it has to go - simple.
Where the problem lies is mainly associated with the expats. They see a cat, often heavily pregnant, on their doorstep and they take it in all lovey-dovey like and give it saucer of milk instead of drowning the bastard thing. Result, 10 more feral cats to house.... ffs.
They see a chasse hound strung up by its gonads on a country fence and complain about the French being heartless. The bloody hound couldn't catch game any more or keep up with the pack - a liability and costly to feed so it had to go.
Life is hard and then you die. Its the natural order of things in the country.
Whey hey and you big up France all the time? Thank fuck for Tax credits :thumbup:
Sex God
Quote by tweeky
Cuts the food miles and employs people. Two stonking good reasons to my mind. Bearing in mind most of our current food animals from chickens to cows were imported originally anyay. (OK the cattle were brought over in the neolithic/bronze age - but the point it valid).
The food miles point, just dont eat it my point was we dont need anymore so
As for jobs hmm well I guess when somene eats a plate of ostrich or kangaroo they dont have chicken or beef and if that were to grow at some point one industry will impact the other so jobs will be countracted or lost elsewhere. I think if cattle have been here since the bronze age I think thats a bit of an old arguement boom boom Technically we don't need any of it - you can survive a long time on a handful of rice and some beans every day. But why the hell should we?
I would far rather we campaigned for locally grown everything and only secondly import anything we can't grow here. But anything imported should have to be produced to at least the same stringent controls that UK food is produced to - and to have to prove it.
Sex God
Quote by foxylady2209
Technically we don't need any of it - you can survive a long time on a handful of rice and some beans every day. But why the hell should we?
I would far rather we campaigned for locally grown everything and only secondly import anything we can't grow here. But anything imported should have to be produced to at least the same stringent controls that UK food is produced to - and to have to prove it.
I agree locally produced food would be fantastic if we could make a system like that work
Must admit its something I dont pay enough attention too and at the moment thats probably just becasue its too expensive. It almost seems to me that putting up the sign locally produced is like putting up free range or organic you know right away that translated it means costs more. If as a nation we could get passed that and the buying power of places like Asda/wallmart then who knows.We can survive forever on rice and beans but we do have a lot more. I was onjly thinking how much do we need from my own view point. At 36 I have never cooked a whole chicken
I do roast but tend to do pieces. I watch TV series where they tell me I can make beef taste better by cutting it the correct way :dunno: Opens or closes the meat or so they said :lol: So I think what business have I sitting down to an Ostrich burger out of curiosity when I have not yet found the best ways to prepare the food we all ready have 
??: Just my own curious little ways of thinking 
