Am I the only person in the country to think that neighbours setting off fireworks at this time of night (just started) should have said fireworks pushed where the sun doesn't shine and lit?????
FFS it's a sunday and it's late... don't people think about young kids any more????
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Fireworks ...
Sex God
Not to mention my dogs climbin the walls and not knowing wether to bite everything or shiver in a corner !
Sex God
calista it does my bleedin' head in.
we get it for months on end at all hours. the biggest explosives you can buy, and my dog suffers like hell!
he's a nervy rescued dog anyways. despite being a staff, he's soft as putty, and he shakes like the proverbial shitin' dog for months!
i bloody hate it! :mad:
neil x x x ;)
we get it for months on end at all hours. the biggest explosives you can buy, and my dog suffers like hell!
he's a nervy rescued dog anyways. despite being a staff, he's soft as putty, and he shakes like the proverbial shitin' dog for months!
i bloody hate it! :mad:
neil x x x ;)
Sex God
Quote by Calista
If I wanted the corner shop to sell guns and grenades there would soon be an outcry ... "you can't sell explosives like that in a shop!" ...but aren't fireworks an explosive anyway??
Mr Gen Herts here (FOR A FLAMING CHANGE
) your right Calista, its illegal to be in possession of black powder because it is an explosive, yet fireworks are full of the stuff and still sold over the counter. Its not rocket science to think of what can be made out of a box of fireworks :x Ban all sales of fireworks, just have the large organised events.
Oh we have got them going off here too.
Fireworks worry the hell out of me. Selling them over the counter should be banned and proper organised displays - Council, Fire Brigade, whoever - should only take place on November 5th - if at all! The council put on displays for certain events and all I see is my rent money and council tax going up in flames.
Last year, one whizzed right past my window - the sparks hit the window!!
I heard the first one a couple of weeks ago. It's been pretty quiet since then, but once it starts it's right through till January.
I hate them! And so does my guniea-pig.
Last year, one whizzed right past my window - the sparks hit the window!!
I heard the first one a couple of weeks ago. It's been pretty quiet since then, but once it starts it's right through till January.
I hate them! And so does my guniea-pig.
Sex God
They started here about 3 weeks ago and every night we get a display
It annoys the hell out of me......better not say too much ile only get angry and swear
and if i could catch them i definately would be putting it where the sun dont shine and sideways too
It annoys the hell out of me......better not say too much ile only get angry and swear
and if i could catch them i definately would be putting it where the sun dont shine and sideways too
Sex God
Ban 'em. I'd like to put the 'juveniles' who let 'em off through the misery our dogs go through for the weeks Guy Fawkes Night goes on for - same goes for Diwali. We're flying out of the country on 5 Nov - god knows what the dogs will be like.
Whilst I too hate this time of year when the fireworks go on sale, I also think that banning them may be a bit too extreme.
Tougher regulation is the answer. Make it so that you need a one-shot license to purchase them that is only obtainable from the local council and will only be issued once you have passed a safety exam so that you know how to properly use them. You have to work out what fireworks you are going to buy before you obtain the license and these are written down on the license. You then take this license to a retailer and purchase your fireworks. No license, no fireworks. Any retailer caught selling fireworks to someone without a license gets a £10,000 fine, loses his fireworks retail license permanently and gets 6 months in prison. (not a choice of one, but all three punishments.)
Tougher regulation is the answer. Make it so that you need a one-shot license to purchase them that is only obtainable from the local council and will only be issued once you have passed a safety exam so that you know how to properly use them. You have to work out what fireworks you are going to buy before you obtain the license and these are written down on the license. You then take this license to a retailer and purchase your fireworks. No license, no fireworks. Any retailer caught selling fireworks to someone without a license gets a £10,000 fine, loses his fireworks retail license permanently and gets 6 months in prison. (not a choice of one, but all three punishments.)
Although I agree wholeheartedly with the need for further control, probably entailing the banning or licensing of private displays, the temerity of dog owners moaning about their animals being scared infuriates me. Every street, it seems, has a dog that yaps and howls day and night, as it's left in an undersized and understimulating environment. These same dogs cause fear and, occasionally, injury to postmen and other household callers, yet we seldom hear calls for domestic animals to be banned* 
Incidently, many 'council' displays are sponsored, our nearest one has run in surplus for the past few years (although not this year owing to local politicking
)
*first on the list when I rule the world, closely followed by Rupert Murdoch
Incidently, many 'council' displays are sponsored, our nearest one has run in surplus for the past few years (although not this year owing to local politicking
)*first on the list when I rule the world, closely followed by Rupert Murdoch
Quote by JonJon
Although I agree wholeheartedly with the need for further control, probably entailing the banning or licensing of private displays, the temerity of dog owners moaning about their animals being scared infuriates me. Every street, it seems, has a dog that yaps and howls day and night, as it's left in an undersized and understimulating environment. These same dogs cause fear and, occasionally, injury to postmen and other household callers, yet we seldom hear calls for domestic animals to be banned*
Incidently, many 'council' displays are sponsored, our nearest one has run in surplus for the past few years (although not this year owing to local politicking
*first on the list when I rule the world, closely followed by Rupert Murdoch
And what about responsible dog owners? I'm sorry but on this I will really disagree with you ... domestic animals and over the counter explosives are hardly in the same category.
Callista:
What about responsible firework users ? The rates of serious injury from fireworks are far lower, they are not a year round nuisance even in the worst areas, unlike dogs, and they provide utterly harmless enjoyment when used in a responsible manner.
Stevio's correct, there is new legislation, including an 11-7 curfew:
What about responsible firework users ? The rates of serious injury from fireworks are far lower, they are not a year round nuisance even in the worst areas, unlike dogs, and they provide utterly harmless enjoyment when used in a responsible manner.
Stevio's correct, there is new legislation, including an 11-7 curfew:
Quote by JonJon
...... the temerity of dog owners moaning about their animals being scared infuriates me. Every street, it seems, has a dog that yaps and howls day and night, as it's left in an undersized and understimulating environment. These same dogs cause fear and, occasionally, injury to postmen and other household callers, yet we seldom hear calls for domestic animals to be banned*
JonJon the dog owners that have the "temerity" to complain about fireworks are the kind of responsible owners that wouldn't keep a dog this way. The behaviour you describe is a result of human neglect, not a dog's natural disposition, so please don't take it out on the dog.
The world is, unfortunately, full of people that mistreat dogs. It's a failing of the human species, rather than the canine. I suggest there's a strong correlation between owners that treat their dogs this way and the kind of people that demonstrate disregard for those they share living space with by setting off fireworks daily for a month either side of Nov 5th.
If you do know of a dog that's being treated this way, do it a favour and grass the feckers up to the RPSCA......
Lucifer
(rehabilitating a rescued, psycho GSD who loves him to bits, any idea how rewarding this can be ???)
I would ban them, except for licensed displays (which I don't like anyway-quicker to set fire to a wad of 20 quid notes and be done with it-less noise)
I'm sure that if you asked the firemen, paramedics, police officers etc that deal with the resultant carnage-they would agree.
I'd also ban bonfires, trick-or-treat, and hot-air balloons landing where the hell they want (like in the middle of terrified livestock)
Agricola Meldrew
Miserable bugger of this parish
I'm sure that if you asked the firemen, paramedics, police officers etc that deal with the resultant carnage-they would agree.
I'd also ban bonfires, trick-or-treat, and hot-air balloons landing where the hell they want (like in the middle of terrified livestock)
Agricola Meldrew
Miserable bugger of this parish
On this estate of what WibblyWobbly rightly describes as 'Linda Snells' (relatively wealthy middle class professionals with not enough to worry about) I could point out easily half a dozen examples of the above. I totally disagree with your contention that these are not people who would complain about fireworks, since I've seen the evidence them doing so in person. In fact, many of those who are most vocal regard their dogs as precious and fragile because they see them for only a couple of hours a day - and they wonder why they're highly strung ???
Trying to organise a firework display with:
- full support of the fire brigade
- insurance (over £5k for one smallish event)
- medical back up
- sponsorship
- a year's notice
is a total bloody nightmare thanks to the "think of the *insert cause of choice*" protestations, yet it's impossible to program kids (and some alleged adults
) not to like fireworks.
I cannot see any argument for allowing unrestricted public access to fireworks, but neither can I see any argument whatsoever for a total prohibition.
Trying to organise a firework display with:
- full support of the fire brigade
- insurance (over £5k for one smallish event)
- medical back up
- sponsorship
- a year's notice
is a total bloody nightmare thanks to the "think of the *insert cause of choice*" protestations, yet it's impossible to program kids (and some alleged adults
) not to like fireworks.I cannot see any argument for allowing unrestricted public access to fireworks, but neither can I see any argument whatsoever for a total prohibition.
Quote by JonJon
On this estate of what WibblyWobbly rightly describes as 'Linda Snells' (relatively wealthy middle class professionals with not enough to worry about) I could point out easily half a dozen examples of the above. I totally disagree with your contention that these are not people who would complain about fireworks, since I've seen the evidence them doing so in person. In fact, many of those who are most vocal regard their dogs as precious and fragile because they see them for only a couple of hours a day - and they wonder why they're highly strung ???
Trying to organise a firework display with:
- full support of the fire brigade
- insurance (over £5k for one smallish event)
- medical back up
- sponsorship
- a year's notice
is a total bloody nightmare thanks to the "think of the *insert cause of choice*" protestations, yet it's impossible to program kids (and some alleged adults
I cannot see any argument for allowing unrestricted public access to fireworks, but neither can I see any argument whatsoever for a total prohibition.
JonJon, ahhhhh, now I understand. Two agendas. And you're beginning to sound like Linda Snell lol
I can't be arsed, to be honest.
Agendas
- I can't stand irresponsible dog owners, and they appear to substantially outnumber the responsible ones, tending to make me support banning of domestic pets
- I'm infuriated by the use of an argument by less than 10% of the population that an activity which unlike dog ownership harms no-one when carried out in a safe manner should be banned because it affects their animals
I would have thought my standpoint fairly self evident. What did you think the point was ? From having moderate sympathy for the position taken by dog owners, it's become abundantly clear that those who complain the loudest are guilty of precisely the sins you describe. Your belief that it's only responsible dog owners who complain is baseless. If it were the case then the arguments would hold more weight.
- I can't stand irresponsible dog owners, and they appear to substantially outnumber the responsible ones, tending to make me support banning of domestic pets
- I'm infuriated by the use of an argument by less than 10% of the population that an activity which unlike dog ownership harms no-one when carried out in a safe manner should be banned because it affects their animals
I would have thought my standpoint fairly self evident. What did you think the point was ? From having moderate sympathy for the position taken by dog owners, it's become abundantly clear that those who complain the loudest are guilty of precisely the sins you describe. Your belief that it's only responsible dog owners who complain is baseless. If it were the case then the arguments would hold more weight.
