Master of Sex
for me it`s nothing to do with race,its to do with the excesses of the the christian religion was still commiting the sort of attrocities they used to in the middle ages,iwould have exactly the same issues with them.
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Sexlightened
of course you believe in censorship! We all do, it's to the extent that differs. Just think about child pornography or any pornography as examples (raising the question of course 'what is pornography?')
okay.... this is where the government can't win
they use the same piece of legistlation to keep up holocaust deniers, and record artists that have said stuff about gays being killed, and louis farakarn for example speaking at events..... but this guy who is up on charges of inciting hatred in his own country, but should be aloud to incite it here instead...
damned if they do... damned if they don't
Yes I have seen it, but with free speech should come responsability...It is in no way a balanced piece of film and I have sure I can find pieces of the bible, or the old testament for example and take them out of context......
would that be acceptable as well?couldnt have put it better myself fabio
I don't believe in censorship ; whether its rappers like Ice T & Bodycount having their song "Cop Killer" withdrawn from sale or Richard Dawkins criticising parts of the bible and creationism, controversial, and yes, sometimes "offensive" views must be heard by the public in a democratic society.
Whilst I don't agree with everything Geert Wilders has said, I don't agree with the Home Office that he is a threat to public order, he visited this country in December and absolutely nothing happened, and the film was still shown at the House of Lords in the week and there was'nt even a single moslem protesting about it, let alone any violence.
But lets say for the sake of argument hundreds of moslems had rioted or attacked people, would this still be grounds for banning free speech ? I hope not as this is just giving in to terrorism.
My message to moslems is ; Commit Apostasy now ! Throw away you're veils & burqas - you have nothing to lose but a boring life !
XXX
Quote by Riotandantony
So our "democratic" governement has just banned Dutch MP Geert Wilders form entering the country to present his film - luckily its available on the web, the National Secular Society's weekly newsletter has link to it - amongst other things, it features the hanging of gays and execution of women in moslem countries.
This is not acted out propaganda - its news that has happened in the real world - it seems that the governement does not value the democratic rights and free speech we have fought for over the centuries.
What a complete disgrace.
Yours in Anger & Anarchy !
okay.... this is where the government can't win
they use the same piece of legistlation to keep up holocaust deniers, and record artists that have said stuff about gays being killed, and louis farakarn for example speaking at events..... but this guy who is up on charges of inciting hatred in his own country, but should be aloud to incite it here instead...
damned if they do... damned if they don't
Yes I have seen it, but with free speech should come responsability...It is in no way a balanced piece of film and I have sure I can find pieces of the bible, or the old testament for example and take them out of context......
would that be acceptable as well?couldnt have put it better myself fabio
I don't believe in censorship ; whether its rappers like Ice T & Bodycount having their song "Cop Killer" withdrawn from sale or Richard Dawkins criticising parts of the bible and creationism, controversial, and yes, sometimes "offensive" views must be heard by the public in a democratic society.
Whilst I don't agree with everything Geert Wilders has said, I don't agree with the Home Office that he is a threat to public order, he visited this country in December and absolutely nothing happened, and the film was still shown at the House of Lords in the week and there was'nt even a single moslem protesting about it, let alone any violence.
But lets say for the sake of argument hundreds of moslems had rioted or attacked people, would this still be grounds for banning free speech ? I hope not as this is just giving in to terrorism.
My message to moslems is ; Commit Apostasy now ! Throw away you're veils & burqas - you have nothing to lose but a boring life !
XXX
Sex God
Quote by annejohn
for me it`s nothing to do with race,its to do with the excesses of the the christian religion was still commiting the sort of attrocities they used to in the middle ages,iwould have exactly the same issues with them.
just thought i would mention ...the middle ages didnt end in 1900 yet some christians were still commiting atrocities then and im sure even now, but then, hey we wouldnt want to tar a whole religion with the same brush just because of a common interest would we.. every belief has extremists in one way or another ..
wouldnt it be cool if we could all get our heads round its just 'some' of them.
staggy
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for me it`s nothing to do with race,its to do with the excesses of the the christian religion was still commiting the sort of attrocities they used to in the middle ages,iwould have exactly the same issues with them.
just thought i would mention ...the middle ages didnt end in 1900 yet some christians were still commiting atrocities then and im sure even now, but then, hey we wouldnt want to tar a whole religion with the same brush just because of a common interest would we.. every belief has extremists in one way or another ..
wouldnt it be cool if we could all get our heads round its just 'some' of them.
staggy
It depends on what you define as atrocities to be honest.
I think that Bush's regime were committing all sorts of shit in Africa with their refusal to fund Aid's education through promotion of condoms as it went against their Christian ethos. I think that is atrocious.
Umm I think that in the name of a 'good christian values' there is lots of death and destruction happening all over the world.
It just so happens that our Media and Government is supported by Christian Doctrine and to a certain extent the interwebnet in this country has filters funded by that same Christian doctrine that 'you' don't get to find out the global stuff.
Master of Sex
my view on all religion is that there should be no place for any of it in this day and it is the muslim religion in particular that is oppressing women,hanging gays,wageing war on the free world and making it more risky to travel,
Sex God
Quote by annejohn
my view on all religion is that there should be no place for any of it in this day and it is the muslim religion in particular that is oppressing women,hanging gays,wageing war on the free world and making it more risky to travel,
It is not 'the religion' which is doing any of that.
Surely you can separate the religion from the regimes? Things may be done/said in the name of religion, but they are usually for political ends.
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my view on all religion is that there should be no place for any of it in this day and it is the muslim religion in particular that is oppressing women,hanging gays,wageing war on the free world and making it more risky to travel,
It is not 'the religion' which is doing any of that.
Surely you can separate the religion from the regimes? Things may be done/said in the name of religion, but they are usually for political ends.
Most religions seem to be linked with politics and the ruling powers.
You can read back in history to Christianity, and its origins, and see how today most religious days in our country even, are based on links between the ruling powers of that time (Romans) and the early day Christian congregations.
It was a form of controlling the masses, and to a smaller extent, is today as well.
Quote by annejohn
my view on all religion is that there should be no place for any of it in this day and it is the muslim religion in particular that is oppressing women,hanging gays,wageing war on the free world and making it more risky to travel,
Not knocking you now, for your own beliefs, but many find a great source of comfort in their religion, and a deep faith in the unseen.
If someone finds happiness in that, and may even become a better person for practising some of the good stuff that they firmly believe, all the best to them.
The trouble is as Nola says, some are a frount for a fanatical regime, which practises hate and spews out venom, and causes devision in the world, and not unity.
P.S I am not a BAC !
Master of Sex
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my view on all religion is that there should be no place for any of it in this day and it is the muslim religion in particular that is oppressing women,hanging gays,wageing war on the free world and making it more risky to travel,
It is not 'the religion' which is doing any of that.
Surely you can separate the religion from the regimes? Things may be done/said in the name of religion, but they are usually for political ends.
i`m going to disagree with you then,because the london suicide bombers were british,from our "regime",and a great many so called "honour killings" of women and gay offspring happen here
Sexlightened
One other seemingly obvious point I'd like to make concerning all these islamic types who go around demanding rights etc for moslems ; most of them have families abroad, why don't they use their influence with them to argue for greater freedoms such as equality for women, free speech,banning female circumsision,legalising homosexuality etc ?
Sex God
so can I take it you will all be up in arms as well since this person has not been allowed in either today...
or does your "outrage" and sense of free speech only go one way...... just curious??
So I am going to ask those people that would allow wilders in if they are going to let this person in as well????
or does your "outrage" and sense of free speech only go one way...... just curious??
So I am going to ask those people that would allow wilders in if they are going to let this person in as well????
Master of Sex
i actually would let him in ,if only for the amusement element of his i can see why he has been banned as he advocates actual harm against certain groups, whereas wilders has not called for anyone to be persecuted or injured,but merely making people aware of the views of a good many followers of islam
