Grants for expectant mothers!!

14 Sep 2007

to me its pointless and a waste.
either the mother to be can afford to eat propperly - and so why does she need it?
or
the mother to be can not afford to eat propperly - in which case how the hell is she going to be able to afford to feed a child too? if she is not in a position to feed said kid, i dont think giving her a couple of hundred quid is going to make a difference.

14 Sep 2007

Slendid, we do appear to be having another "now you see it, now you don't" post day.
A post I was just quoting vanished :shock:

14 Sep 2007

why has my post on this gone?

14 Sep 2007

Quote by well_busty_babe
why has my post on this gone?

It hasn't - it's there twice :shock:

14 Sep 2007

Quote by Freckledbird
why has my post on this gone?

It hasn't - it's there twice :shock:
It did go though- briefly! I went from page 3 (yeah, as if) to page 4, and page 4 vanished!

14 Sep 2007

this is mental, things keep coming and going.
i am going back to bed lol

15 Sep 2007

Quote by splendid_
Where has scandals' post gone ?
It would seem that that those who have an opinion that is extreme can be posted as long as it bullies those who are not here to represent themselves. (bearing in mind no-one actually knows any details or indeed facts)
Whereas Scandal made some fair points and addressed the person who started this thread that has descended into inflammatory, bullying and discriminatory vitriol where people are hypothesising about a snippet in the 'oh so accurate always' media. His post has been deleted. Or is my computer playing up?
In my opinion free speech on here should extend to everyone or no-one. Delete the whole thread or bring back scandals' post.
splendid

Spot on Splendid!!
There are some posts on here that are thoroughly offensive and ignorant in the extreme. Thank fuck the likes of them aren't in power in anywhere other than their own heads!!
Scandals post was to me "tongue in cheek" and very much aimed at the hoilier than thou' attitudes (and vitriolic in the extreme).
There are posts here that I'm sure many will find both offensive and sweeping in their accusations but they haven't been removed, indeed few have even spoken out against them.
Scandal would appear to have been removed from the building though confused

Some of you should hang your head in shame at your generalisation of people you know fuck all about.

15 Sep 2007

Well said !!!!!! biggrin

16 Sep 2007

Quote by the_Laird
Spot on Splendid!!
There are some posts on here that are thoroughly offensive and ignorant in the extreme. Thank fuck the likes of them aren't in power in anywhere other than their own heads!!
Scandals post was to me "tongue in cheek" and very much aimed at the hoilier than thou' attitudes (and vitriolic in the extreme).
There are posts here that I'm sure many will find both offensive and sweeping in their accusations but they haven't been removed, indeed few have even spoken out against them.
Scandal would appear to have been removed from the building though
Some of you should hang your head in shame at your generalisation of people you know fuck all about.

:thumbup:

16 Sep 2007

Quote by the_Laird
There are some posts on here that are thoroughly offensive and ignorant in the extreme. Thank fuck the likes of them aren't in power in anywhere other than their own heads!!
There are posts here that I'm sure many will find both offensive and sweeping in their accusations but they haven't been removed, indeed few have even spoken out against them.
Some of you should hang your head in shame at your generalisation of people you know fuck all about.

16 Sep 2007

Quote by Cherrytree

Spot on Splendid!!
There are some posts on here that are thoroughly offensive and ignorant in the extreme. Thank fuck the likes of them aren't in power in anywhere other than their own heads!!
Scandals post was to me "tongue in cheek" and very much aimed at the hoilier than thou' attitudes (and vitriolic in the extreme).
There are posts here that I'm sure many will find both offensive and sweeping in their accusations but they haven't been removed, indeed few have even spoken out against them.
Scandal would appear to have been removed from the building though
Some of you should hang your head in shame at your generalisation of people you know fuck all about.

:thumbup:
absolutely, some of the views on this thread are shockin and im downright disgusted by some peoples attitudes. scandal comes along with his usual sharpness and puts it all in perspective......and he's banned? :shock:

16 Sep 2007

Quote by sexkittenhfx

Spot on Splendid!!
There are some posts on here that are thoroughly offensive and ignorant in the extreme. Thank fuck the likes of them aren't in power in anywhere other than their own heads!!
Scandals post was to me "tongue in cheek" and very much aimed at the hoilier than thou' attitudes (and vitriolic in the extreme).
There are posts here that I'm sure many will find both offensive and sweeping in their accusations but they haven't been removed, indeed few have even spoken out against them.
Scandal would appear to have been removed from the building though
Some of you should hang your head in shame at your generalisation of people you know fuck all about.

:thumbup:
scandal comes along with his usual sharpness and puts it all in perspective......and he's banned? :shock:
I'm sure Scandal didn't just get banned for that...or else that would have happened years ago.

16 Sep 2007

Quote by blonde
I had to bite my lip at the post about people who "believe in family".
single parents aren't single out of choice.
single parents work extremely hard.
Sam xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

I get the feeling that was kinda aimed in my direction, so I'll clarify what I meant when I said about a belief in family.
Families come in all shapes and sizes, some with two parents and children, some with just one, be it mother or father. The parents that believe in family are the ones that actually care about their children, do their best for them in whatever way they can, be it two parents who work really hard, two parents with one working and one not, both parents out of work for whatever reason, and the single-parent families that work hard or are unable to work for whatever reason. A belief in family is about values and how the children are treated within that family unit.
I have absolutely no problem with mothers (or fathers, but in this instance it was a comment about grants for the expectant mums) who are doing their best to bring up their children properly being given all the help and assistance they need. I do have a problem with those who have kids for want of anything better to do and then spending their lives as if they don't have children being given money hand over fist. Those children do not have a family. They have a couple of people, or one person, who cooks and washes for them, but takes no other part in their daily lives, allowing them to run around as they please with no discipline of any sort.
Instead of giving the money to the expectant mother in the 7th month, it would make a lot more sense to put it into education for the resulting children (including healthy school meals) and healthcare (and education on how to best eat and how best to look after baby before and after it's born, particularly for first babies) for the pregnant mums and their husband/partner if there is one.
Put the money where it will do most good for those who actually care and might help the others mentioned to value their children as part of a family rather than just expensive accessories that curtail the social life of the parent.
I'll mention that there are two families near me that illustrate my points. One of the families has two out-of-work parents. They scrimp and save to make sure bills are paid and the children are fed and clothed. Luxuries are bought if there is enough money left over at the end. I'll happily babysit their kids if they want to go out at any time (which they don't very often as a couple), because they have a family that they care for. I help the kids with their homework, help with mending clothes for the children or parents, and generally enjoy spending time with them and playing with them because their children are polite and have been brought up to be a part of a family unit.
The other "family" I speak to and get on with, however their children run around, shouting and swearing in the streets, getting dragged back home screaming by the police and generally being unruly, misbehaved and undisciplined, ignoring anything said by the parents. The father moved out because he "couldn't cope" with the kids, although he and the mother go out regularly of a weekend, out to the pub, coming home drunk at whatever time, leaving six kids ranging from 12 down to one and a half in the care of a teenage niece of the mother. They have debts up to the eyeballs, but still find the cash to go out, or buy bottles of alcohol, eat takeaway most nights and go out buying expensive luxuries all the time.
I know which family I would rather have my tax going towards supporting...
As for posts going missing and people being banned... I never saw the post mentioned, but everyone else has been allowed a view on the subject. Even if it was vitriolic and tongue in cheek, it seems to have summed up what others were thinking, and you can't have a true debate when some views are not allowed to be expressed. I enjoy good debate, as freely exchanged views on a subject can make others sit back and think twice about how they have viewed a subject prior to them reading another's opinions.
These are my opinions on the subject, and with the examples I see every day of how some families spend the money the government already hands out for the welfare of the children, I'm afraid my opinion on how the money should be better spent remains the same. Give it to the state to use on health and education before there is no free healthcare and education from lack of government funding. You just have to look at the state of the pensions to see why I champion that view.

16 Sep 2007

Quote by blonde

There are some posts on here that are thoroughly offensive and ignorant in the extreme. Thank fuck the likes of them aren't in power in anywhere other than their own heads!!
There are posts here that I'm sure many will find both offensive and sweeping in their accusations but they haven't been removed, indeed few have even spoken out against them.
Some of you should hang your head in shame at your generalisation of people you know fuck all about.

:thumbup:
I had to bite my lip at the post about people who "believe in family".
single parents aren't single out of choice.
single parents work extremely hard.
Sam xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
:thumbup: Thank you Sam!..
I didn't ask to be 'made' a single parent when my first husband left me with a kid of 3 yr old. I also then picked myself up, (after eating lots of choccies! :uhoh: dusted myself down :hunk: and bloody well worked hard to keep the roof over my daughter and my heads!..
In hindsight, that tw@t leaving me was the best thing he could have ever done! lol

16 Sep 2007

£200 for low income mothers or indeed any income mothers?
or is it £125 for such mothers?
Doesnt really matter how much it is.
The money would be better spent, not at the 7 month stage, but at the pre-7 month stage - ie before conception!!
Better spent on good quality sex education that includes a huge amount of work on CONTRACEPTION - and another huge amount on self help NATAL and post-NATAL care - thats the real key here.
Teach the unfortunate girls/women that don't want to be pregnant how not to be
- and teach the lucky mothers that want to be pregnant how best to look after themselves and their babies.
thats the way to spend this govt hand out money IMHO

16 Sep 2007

Quote by Mr-Powers
I'm sure Scandal didn't just get banned for that...or else that would have happened years ago.

Oh I dont know, there are still a few about that cross the line as far a many are concerned.....

16 Sep 2007

Quote by CarmelaDeA
....They have a couple of people, or one person, who cooks and washes for them, but takes no other part in their daily lives, allowing them to run around as they please with no discipline of any sort.

Good lord, you could be talking about a family I know were both parents are Doctors. You should see the kids!! AND they are still entitled to child benefit or tax credits as it now is.

Quote by CarmelaDeA
As for posts going missing and people being banned... I never saw the post mentioned, but everyone else has been allowed a view on the subject. Even if it was vitriolic and tongue in cheek, it seems to have summed up what others were thinking, and you can't have a true debate when some views are not allowed to be expressed. I enjoy good debate, as freely exchanged views on a subject can make others sit back and think twice about how they have viewed a subject prior to them reading another's opinions.

You are quite right CarmelaDeA. I love good debate, strongly fought out by people capable of putting a balanced point over. I need not agree with the others opinion but I can at least respect them for having a balanced one.
Some of the posts on this particular thread have been so sweeping of all single pregnant mothers that I can't believe that there hasn't been more of an outcry. The vitriol came from the "all single mothers are users / drunks / waste of space losers" who obviously deserve fuck all cause "we" had to drag ourselves up without support blah, blah, blah
TBH it's, in my view, reminisent of a right wing soapbox meeting and has been distasteful in the extreme, still, perhaps it sums up the mentality of them? Who knows?
I happen to agree with Scandal, I'm assuming he saw the comments in the same way I did (see above if you missed the part about the Right Wing Meeting)

Quote by CarmelaDeA
These are my opinions on the subject, and with the examples I see every day of how some families spend the money the government already hands out for the welfare of the children, I'm afraid my opinion on how the money should be better spent remains the same. Give it to the state to use on health and education before there is no free healthcare and education from lack of government funding. You just have to look at the state of the pensions to see why I champion that view.

Here's an idea. Instead of complaining about the "pricely" sum of £200 being given to expectant mums how about we start complaining about the money squandered by government agencies in keeping things like the opera and arts afloat?
Thats a whole other thread though...........

16 Sep 2007

words fail me...
thanks to the people who PM'd me.
Someone once said- post and be damned.....
I stay out of these political threads because I do what people here should do more of. That is take the old (I think) biblical phrase which goes something like this. 'let those who are without sin cast the first stone'
I am not casting any stones.
I do feel sick to my stomach that there are people who live a lifestyle that most members of the 'real world' would find abhorrent, but then can have so many narrow minded bigoted views about others.
hypocrites
bigots
cowards
this post is directed at no-one in particular. But if the cap fits........
splendid

16 Sep 2007

This isn't the place for politics and some of the comments here have been borderline, some of the people that get that payment will be slightly better off as a result and whilst I don't understand why pregnant mothers need extra money for food in the last two months I do know that the vast majority spend a lot of money getting ready for the arrival of a baby, if the extra money helps the majority in that then its a good thing, but thats just my personal opinion.
In the meantime I'm locking this thread as its going nowhere.