Heinz deli mayo-advert banned

27 Jun 2008

Quote by Peanut

That's not what I said. I said that anything that helps. The more it happens the more acceptance it will gain. It's human nature, if anything happens all the time we learn to accept it. It's only when stuff gets hidden all the time then pops up once in a while that outrage occurs.
I hope to $DEITY that British TV never goes the way of US TV when organised groups control what appears on TV purely by the pure number of complaints they can organise. Look at the Jackson Nipple Debacle for proof.

And that is where society has gone wrong. Why should people have to accept anything just because it is " politically correct " to do so.

Have to accept? Why do gay guys "have to accept" the fact that they cannot make a display of public affection without reactions like yours?
So what you are actually are saying is that we should accept what you find acceptable? It's only relatively recently (over the last couple of hundred years) that same sex displays aren't considered acceptable. as I said earlier you have the church to blame for your non-accepting attitude. rolleyes

Where does one draw the line? A few years ago this kind of advert would never ever have been shown, now it seems acceptable. What next? Two guys simulating sex on an advert? :shock:

Draw the line at what? Two guys having a closed mouth kiss? Call in the Obscene Publications Squad why don't you, a line has been crossed that should never have been!
What next? Why shouldn't two guys bee seen simulating sex, after all we have men and women simulating sex on screen in adverts.

I do not agree with this kind of thing on national tv in an advert...but of course that is only my opinion.

That would a homophobic opinion then?
DONT twist things. I always say it is my opinion!! Because I think something I would never expect people to accept my opinion and not their own.
Also dont throw the homophobic crap either. I have already said I am fine with live and let live, and am NOT homophobic. I dont have a problem with gay guys and never have had. I have given MY opinion on an advert for which I think is unacceptable before the watershed...period.
I respect your opinion as you should respect mine....no ?
You did see the question mark on the end didn't you? To all intents and purposes the opinion you were passing seemed to me to be homophobic. I was asking you if that was the case. You've now answered that.
What I don't understand though, because you haven't explained why, is why a chaste kiss between two men shouldn't be on before the watershed when it's patently obvious that a similar kiss between a man and a woman would be at home in a kids program about Mum and Dad much less in an advert.
What I don't understand is the dichotomy of not having a problem with gay guys but quite obviously you having a problem if they demonstrate minimal gestures of affection.
I understand that by referring to the watershed you mean that it's more accurate to state that you have a problem with kids seeing this horrendous display of affection.
Any chance of enlightening me as to how this could harm our kids? Just your opinion of course.
See there you go again with your twisting!
It seems you either dont want to listen or dont quite understand what I am saying? Your word " horrendous " not mine!!
If you dont understand the difference between Mum and Dad having a kiss on an advert, to two gay guys having a kiss, then I am not going to waste my time anymore with this thread.
You have your opinion which you seem to be ramming down my throat, and adding words which I did not say, but making it almost say that is what I meant!
Let me repeat....I am not homophobioc. If that means I dont want to kiss a guy or to have a guy come onto me, then I suppose I am homophobic, but I suspect virtually every guy is then! Your obviously ,from the same school of people who think it is perfectly ok to teach kids about sex...same sex relationships, at infant school years? There is a question mark there.
I am getting sick and tired of people on this Forum attacking and twisting peoples words, just because it does not suit their own opinions.
Do yourself a favour and read my signature at the bottom of each post I do, that should clear things up. I am angry because I like you have an opinion, just dont belittle others because they dont fall in line with yours please.

27 Jun 2008

Quote by Phuckers

That's not what I said. I said that anything that helps. The more it happens the more acceptance it will gain. It's human nature, if anything happens all the time we learn to accept it. It's only when stuff gets hidden all the time then pops up once in a while that outrage occurs.
I hope to $DEITY that British TV never goes the way of US TV when organised groups control what appears on TV purely by the pure number of complaints they can organise. Look at the Jackson Nipple Debacle for proof.

And that is where society has gone wrong. Why should people have to accept anything just because it is " politically correct " to do so.

Have to accept? Why do gay guys "have to accept" the fact that they cannot make a display of public affection without reactions like yours?
So what you are actually are saying is that we should accept what you find acceptable? It's only relatively recently (over the last couple of hundred years) that same sex displays aren't considered acceptable. as I said earlier you have the church to blame for your non-accepting attitude. rolleyes

Where does one draw the line? A few years ago this kind of advert would never ever have been shown, now it seems acceptable. What next? Two guys simulating sex on an advert? :shock:

Draw the line at what? Two guys having a closed mouth kiss? Call in the Obscene Publications Squad why don't you, a line has been crossed that should never have been!
What next? Why shouldn't two guys bee seen simulating sex, after all we have men and women simulating sex on screen in adverts.

I do not agree with this kind of thing on national tv in an advert...but of course that is only my opinion.

That would a homophobic opinion then?
DONT twist things. I always say it is my opinion!! Because I think something I would never expect people to accept my opinion and not their own.
Also dont throw the homophobic crap either. I have already said I am fine with live and let live, and am NOT homophobic. I dont have a problem with gay guys and never have had. I have given MY opinion on an advert for which I think is unacceptable before the watershed...period.
I respect your opinion as you should respect mine....no ?
You did see the question mark on the end didn't you? To all intents and purposes the opinion you were passing seemed to me to be homophobic. I was asking you if that was the case. You've now answered that.
What I don't understand though, because you haven't explained why, is why a chaste kiss between two men shouldn't be on before the watershed when it's patently obvious that a similar kiss between a man and a woman would be at home in a kids program about Mum and Dad much less in an advert.
What I don't understand is the dichotomy of not having a problem with gay guys but quite obviously you having a problem if they demonstrate minimal gestures of affection.
I understand that by referring to the watershed you mean that it's more accurate to state that you have a problem with kids seeing this horrendous display of affection.
Any chance of enlightening me as to how this could harm our kids? Just your opinion of course.
Every parents has a duty and responsibility to look after their children its also their right to monitor what the children are watching, doing on computers or when they are in school we expect the teachers carry on the duty of if some company come up with advert that parents feel is not appropriate for theirs kids to watch, they have every right to voice their protest.
kentswingers777 has clearly stated that he doesnt have a problem with gay people kissing on TV but he would prefer if his children dont watch it.....
How could that harm our kids

I couldn't have said it better myself...no seriously i couldn't.
i found the advert amusing and understood what the advertisers were getting at,but not appropriate for daytime telly.

27 Jun 2008

Quote by Phuckers
Every parents has a duty and responsibility to look after their children its also their right to monitor what the children are watching, doing on computers or when they are in school we expect the teachers carry on the duty of if some company come up with advert that parents feel is not appropriate for theirs kids to watch, they have every right to voice their protest.
kentswingers777 has clearly stated that he doesnt have a problem with gay people kissing on TV but he would prefer if his children dont watch it.....
How could that harm our kids

That's a very easy question to answer.
It harms our kids by not educating them as to how life really is, so the next time they see it in the street they don't have a clue and you get asked the same question anyway. Also by wanting not to see this act of affection you would be promulgating the notion that it isn't okay to see two guys kissing and so the conditioning continues.
It's not as if the guys were attempting to garrott each other with piano wire in the bloodiest way possible. They had a chaste kiss, that's all so that's not particularly difficult for a kid to understand, so that leaves us with the fact that it was two guys. Now I don't know if you realised but kids don't naturally think two guys kissing is wrong, they only come to think that when they are taught it. They are taught it by attitudes like yours and like Kentswingers and every other individual who tells them so.
So I ask again, what harm does it do teaching kids that two guys kissing is okay? Something they they accepted until told otherwise.

27 Jun 2008

Quote by kentswingers777
See there you go again with your twisting!
It seems you either dont want to listen or dont quite understand what I am saying? Your word " horrendous " not mine!!
If you dont understand the difference between Mum and Dad having a kiss on an advert, to two gay guys having a kiss, then I am not going to waste my time anymore with this thread.
You have your opinion which you seem to be ramming down my throat, and adding words which I did not say, but making it almost say that is what I meant!
Let me repeat....I am not homophobioc. If that means I dont want to kiss a guy or to have a guy come onto me, then I suppose I am homophobic, but I suspect virtually every guy is then! Your obviously ,from the same school of people who think it is perfectly ok to teach kids about sex...same sex relationships, at infant school years? There is a question mark there.
I am getting sick and tired of people on this Forum attacking and twisting peoples words, just because it does not suit their own opinions.
Do yourself a favour and read my signature at the bottom of each post I do, that should clear things up. I am angry because I like you have an opinion, just dont belittle others because they dont fall in line with yours please.

No, for me to be twisting I'd be trying to show that they were your words. They were all mine other than when I directly quote you.
Now kudos to you for managing to not answer every question I asked whilst simultaneously demonstrating a flounce worthy of the best of them.
Yes I am belittling your opinion primarily because my opinion is that it sucks big time. Now I suggest you read what I wrote. I didn't say YOU were homophobic, I said your opinions were. No doubt learnt at your Daddy's knee and so your kids will learn the same thing at your knee.
As I said in Phucker's post above, we aren't born with these divisive and bigoted attitudes, we are taught them from a very young age, albeit subtly. And no I'm not saying you've deliberately gone out and taught your kids that it's wrong, what I'm saying is that people like you do it unconsciously because of your conditioning. This will continue ad nauseum because people like you believe that it is wrong.
So once again I ask you, and I'd be grateful for an answer this time instead of a display of mock indignation. What precisely do you think is harmful to kids by seeing this particular advert? What precisely do you feel can harm your (or anyone's) kids by seeing two guys giving each other what is basically a non-sexual kiss? Now I know you've given your opinion as to how you don't feel it's appropriate, but what is rather obvious by its absence is WHY you think it is inappropriate.
As for wasting your time? well I don't know if you realise but you are the one choosing to waste your time or not by expending it replying. I don't have any control in the matter, neither do I control what you read. So it appears I'm not the only one using hyperbole to make a point.
I wonder if I'll get the answers I request or whether I get another diatribe. Your choice mate.

27 Jun 2008

Quote by kentswingers777

That's not what I said. I said that anything that helps. The more it happens the more acceptance it will gain. It's human nature, if anything happens all the time we learn to accept it. It's only when stuff gets hidden all the time then pops up once in a while that outrage occurs.
I hope to $DEITY that British TV never goes the way of US TV when organised groups control what appears on TV purely by the pure number of complaints they can organise. Look at the Jackson Nipple Debacle for proof.

And that is where society has gone wrong. Why should people have to accept anything just because it is " politically correct " to do so.

Have to accept? Why do gay guys "have to accept" the fact that they cannot make a display of public affection without reactions like yours?
So what you are actually are saying is that we should accept what you find acceptable? It's only relatively recently (over the last couple of hundred years) that same sex displays aren't considered acceptable. as I said earlier you have the church to blame for your non-accepting attitude. rolleyes

Where does one draw the line? A few years ago this kind of advert would never ever have been shown, now it seems acceptable. What next? Two guys simulating sex on an advert? :shock:

Draw the line at what? Two guys having a closed mouth kiss? Call in the Obscene Publications Squad why don't you, a line has been crossed that should never have been!
What next? Why shouldn't two guys bee seen simulating sex, after all we have men and women simulating sex on screen in adverts.

I do not agree with this kind of thing on national tv in an advert...but of course that is only my opinion.

That would a homophobic opinion then?
DONT twist things. I always say it is my opinion!! Because I think something I would never expect people to accept my opinion and not their own.
Also dont throw the homophobic crap either. I have already said I am fine with live and let live, and am NOT homophobic. I dont have a problem with gay guys and never have had. I have given MY opinion on an advert for which I think is unacceptable before the watershed...period.
I respect your opinion as you should respect mine....no ?
You did see the question mark on the end didn't you? To all intents and purposes the opinion you were passing seemed to me to be homophobic. I was asking you if that was the case. You've now answered that.
What I don't understand though, because you haven't explained why, is why a chaste kiss between two men shouldn't be on before the watershed when it's patently obvious that a similar kiss between a man and a woman would be at home in a kids program about Mum and Dad much less in an advert.
What I don't understand is the dichotomy of not having a problem with gay guys but quite obviously you having a problem if they demonstrate minimal gestures of affection.
I understand that by referring to the watershed you mean that it's more accurate to state that you have a problem with kids seeing this horrendous display of affection.
Any chance of enlightening me as to how this could harm our kids? Just your opinion of course.
See there you go again with your twisting!
It seems you either dont want to listen or dont quite understand what I am saying? Your word " horrendous " not mine!!
If you dont understand the difference between Mum and Dad having a kiss on an advert, to two gay guys having a kiss, then I am not going to waste my time anymore with this thread.
You have your opinion which you seem to be ramming down my throat, and adding words which I did not say, but making it almost say that is what I meant!
Let me repeat....I am not homophobioc. If that means I dont want to kiss a guy or to have a guy come onto me, then I suppose I am homophobic, but I suspect virtually every guy is then! Your obviously ,from the same school of people who think it is perfectly ok to teach kids about sex...same sex relationships, at infant school years? There is a question mark there.
I am getting sick and tired of people on this Forum attacking and twisting peoples words, just because it does not suit their own opinions.
Do yourself a favour and read my signature at the bottom of each post I do, that should clear things up. I am angry because I like you have an opinion, just dont belittle others because they dont fall in line with yours please.
:thumbup:

27 Jun 2008

Quote by Peanut
Every parents has a duty and responsibility to look after their children its also their right to monitor what the children are watching, doing on computers or when they are in school we expect the teachers carry on the duty of if some company come up with advert that parents feel is not appropriate for theirs kids to watch, they have every right to voice their protest.
kentswingers777 has clearly stated that he doesnt have a problem with gay people kissing on TV but he would prefer if his children dont watch it.....
How could that harm our kids

That's a very easy question to answer.
It harms our kids by not educating them as to how life really is, so the next time they see it in the street they don't have a clue and you get asked the same question anyway. Also by wanting not to see this act of affection you would be promulgating the notion that it isn't okay to see two guys kissing and so the conditioning continues.
It's not as if the guys were attempting to garrott each other with piano wire in the bloodiest way possible. They had a chaste kiss, that's all so that's not particularly difficult for a kid to understand, so that leaves us with the fact that it was two guys. Now I don't know if you realised but kids don't naturally think two guys kissing is wrong, they only come to think that when they are taught it. They are taught it by attitudes like yours and like Kentswingers and every other individual who tells them so.
So I ask again, what harm does it do teaching kids that two guys kissing is okay? Something they they accepted until told otherwise.
thats why we have classiffications and ratings on films,programmes and all sorts to protect what the minors watch if thats not the case people with the ideas like yours would start exposing their kids to watching hardcore porn.
have you ever wondered why its legal in this country for a 16&17year olds to engage in sex whilst its illegal for them to watch hardcore porn?????
how would you feel if your 7year old come from school and say he/she taken part in a drama of same sex relationship???
peanut there is time for everything,we raise our kids step by step to growing into the society but not impose everything on them at once
do you see the harm ....?

27 Jun 2008

Quote by Peanut

See there you go again with your twisting!
It seems you either dont want to listen or dont quite understand what I am saying? Your word " horrendous " not mine!!
If you dont understand the difference between Mum and Dad having a kiss on an advert, to two gay guys having a kiss, then I am not going to waste my time anymore with this thread.
You have your opinion which you seem to be ramming down my throat, and adding words which I did not say, but making it almost say that is what I meant!
Let me repeat....I am not homophobioc. If that means I dont want to kiss a guy or to have a guy come onto me, then I suppose I am homophobic, but I suspect virtually every guy is then! Your obviously ,from the same school of people who think it is perfectly ok to teach kids about sex...same sex relationships, at infant school years? There is a question mark there.
I am getting sick and tired of people on this Forum attacking and twisting peoples words, just because it does not suit their own opinions.
Do yourself a favour and read my signature at the bottom of each post I do, that should clear things up. I am angry because I like you have an opinion, just dont belittle others because they dont fall in line with yours please.

No, for me to be twisting I'd be trying to show that they were your words. They were all mine other than when I directly quote you.
Now kudos to you for managing to not answer every question I asked whilst simultaneously demonstrating a flounce worthy of the best of them.
Yes I am belittling your opinion primarily because my opinion is that it sucks big time. Now I suggest you read what I wrote. I didn't say YOU were homophobic, I said your opinions were. No doubt learnt at your Daddy's knee and so your kids will learn the same thing at your knee.
As I said in Phucker's post above, we aren't born with these divisive and bigoted attitudes, we are taught them from a very young age, albeit subtly. And no I'm not saying you've deliberately gone out and taught your kids that it's wrong, what I'm saying is that people like you do it unconsciously because of your conditioning. This will continue ad nauseum because people like you believe that it is wrong.
So once again I ask you, and I'd be grateful for an answer this time instead of a display of mock indignation. What precisely do you think is harmful to kids by seeing this particular advert? What precisely do you feel can harm your (or anyone's) kids by seeing two guys giving each other what is basically a non-sexual kiss? Now I know you've given your opinion as to how you don't feel it's appropriate, but what is rather obvious by its absence is WHY you think it is inappropriate.
As for wasting your time? well I don't know if you realise but you are the one choosing to waste your time or not by expending it replying. I don't have any control in the matter, neither do I control what you read. So it appears I'm not the only one using hyperbole to make a point.
I wonder if I'll get the answers I request or whether I get another diatribe. Your choice mate.
I dont want to be put in a situation where I have to explain to my Grandaughter who is 6, why two guys are kissing. Why the hell should I have to? To appease people and to satisfy them?
Why should any parent HAVE to explain to their young children why guys are kissing? The bottom line here is simple...no matter what you may think the advert has been withdrawn, and that was not my decision but the powers that be.
You may think my opinion " sucks " but I really dont give a monkeys!
I was never " conditioned " either. Maybe you have been?.
I have wasted enough of my time on this thread as obviously unless I bend over backwards to your views you will just continue to spout your views at me. I have answerewd your question many times and if you still dont understand it, then what can I say other than...you have your views and I have mine...end of !

27 Jun 2008

I still don't like mayo.
full-fat, half-fat, lite... or Simon
lp

27 Jun 2008

Quote by Phuckers
there is time for everything,

If you dont mind my picking up on your point....
i would say "time AND PLACE".
we need to take some responsibility to show kids that there is a time and a place for everything and educate them ourselves giving them clear messages, not mixed messages.
the more and more i think of the advert... i see it as just a cheap a massively powerful one.

27 Jun 2008

Quote by __random_orbit__
I still don't like mayo.
full-fat, half-fat, lite... or Simon
lp

Am glad someone is bringing some light relief. lol

27 Jun 2008

Quote by Mr-Powers

That's not what I said. I said that anything that helps. The more it happens the more acceptance it will gain. It's human nature, if anything happens all the time we learn to accept it. It's only when stuff gets hidden all the time then pops up once in a while that outrage occurs.
I hope to $DEITY that British TV never goes the way of US TV when organised groups control what appears on TV purely by the pure number of complaints they can organise. Look at the Jackson Nipple Debacle for proof.

And that is where society has gone wrong. Why should people have to accept anything just because it is " politically correct " to do so.

Have to accept? Why do gay guys "have to accept" the fact that they cannot make a display of public affection without reactions like yours?
So what you are actually are saying is that we should accept what you find acceptable? It's only relatively recently (over the last couple of hundred years) that same sex displays aren't considered acceptable. as I said earlier you have the church to blame for your non-accepting attitude. rolleyes

Where does one draw the line? A few years ago this kind of advert would never ever have been shown, now it seems acceptable. What next? Two guys simulating sex on an advert? :shock:

Draw the line at what? Two guys having a closed mouth kiss? Call in the Obscene Publications Squad why don't you, a line has been crossed that should never have been!
What next? Why shouldn't two guys bee seen simulating sex, after all we have men and women simulating sex on screen in adverts.

I do not agree with this kind of thing on national tv in an advert...but of course that is only my opinion.

That would a homophobic opinion then?
DONT twist things. I always say it is my opinion!! Because I think something I would never expect people to accept my opinion and not their own.
Also dont throw the homophobic crap either. I have already said I am fine with live and let live, and am NOT homophobic. I dont have a problem with gay guys and never have had. I have given MY opinion on an advert for which I think is unacceptable before the watershed...period.
I respect your opinion as you should respect mine....no ?
You did see the question mark on the end didn't you? To all intents and purposes the opinion you were passing seemed to me to be homophobic. I was asking you if that was the case. You've now answered that.
What I don't understand though, because you haven't explained why, is why a chaste kiss between two men shouldn't be on before the watershed when it's patently obvious that a similar kiss between a man and a woman would be at home in a kids program about Mum and Dad much less in an advert.
What I don't understand is the dichotomy of not having a problem with gay guys but quite obviously you having a problem if they demonstrate minimal gestures of affection.
I understand that by referring to the watershed you mean that it's more accurate to state that you have a problem with kids seeing this horrendous display of affection.
Any chance of enlightening me as to how this could harm our kids? Just your opinion of course.
Every parents has a duty and responsibility to look after their children its also their right to monitor what the children are watching, doing on computers or when they are in school we expect the teachers carry on the duty of if some company come up with advert that parents feel is not appropriate for theirs kids to watch, they have every right to voice their protest.
kentswingers777 has clearly stated that he doesnt have a problem with gay people kissing on TV but he would prefer if his children dont watch it.....
How could that harm our kids

I couldn't have said it better myself...no seriously i couldn't.
i found the advert amusing and understood what the advertisers were getting at,but not appropriate for daytime telly.
i think i misquote the wrong item,
mr powers did you just say that! :thumbup:

27 Jun 2008

Quote by kentswingers777
I still don't like mayo.
full-fat, half-fat, lite... or Simon
lp

Am glad someone is bringing some light relief. lol

dont hold your breath someone is busy printing a book at the moment for ya :lol:
random i giggle to your every letter!

27 Jun 2008

Quote by DeeCee

there is time for everything,

If you dont mind my picking up on your point....
i would say "time AND PLACE".
we need to take some responsibility to show kids that there is a time and a place for everything and educate them ourselves giving them clear messages, not mixed messages.
the more and more i think of the advert... i see it as just a cheap a massively powerful one.
excatly you've just help put more weight to that..

27 Jun 2008

Quote by Phuckers
thats why we have classiffications and ratings on films,programmes and all sorts to protect what the minors watch if thats not the case people with the ideas like yours would start exposing their kids to watching hardcore porn.
have you ever wondered why its legal in this country for a 16&17year olds to engage in sex whilst its illegal for them to watch hardcore porn?????
how would you feel if your 7year old come from school and say he/she taken part in a drama of same sex relationship???
peanut there is time for everything,we raise our kids step by step to growing into the society but not impose everything on them at once
do you see the harm ....?

Err, couple of questions first.
You do realise that we don't have any ratings or classifications on TV in the UK?
Why are you bringing hard core into this? The topic at hand is the mayo ad where two guys share a chaste kiss. Or are you equating that to hard core pornography?
We don't impose everything on them at once? So it doesn't occur to you that hiding them away from such things as this kiss is imposing your views on them. Remember, they don't know that there is a problem with two men kissing, and when they do find out about it they will also realise that daddy thinks there's something wrong in it, so therefore there is something wrong in it. And so the chain continues.
You really don't see this from a child's perspective do you?
And to your question about my child. No I don't have a problem with it, because unlike you I don't have a problem with same sex relationships, and as a result my kids don't share the problem you have with it.
Same sex relationships have always been with us, they are always going to be with us. You choose to hide that little fact away from your kids, I don't.

27 Jun 2008

Quote by kentswingers777
I dont want to be put in a situation where I have to explain to my Grandaughter who is 6, why two guys are kissing. Why the hell should I have to? To appease people and to satisfy them?

Ah, so here's the crux of the matter. It's for your benefit, not hers then?

Why should any parent HAVE to explain to their young children why guys are kissing? The bottom line here is simple...no matter what you may think the advert has been withdrawn, and that was not my decision but the powers that be.

Another dichotomy I'm afraid. If no-one shared your opinion, and same sex relationships were totally normal you wouldn't have to explain anything. Kids would accept it as easily as male-female kissing. It's only because less enlightened folk try to make it something unusual that you feel you have to do as you say.

You may think my opinion " sucks " but I really dont give a monkeys!

Yes you do or you wouldn't have responded to say so.

I was never " conditioned " either. Maybe you have been?.

Of course I was, we all are. Yes including you whether you want to admit it or not. The difference being I was able to rationalise it and shrug it off. You choose to let sleeping dogs lie and in so doing perpetuate the religious myth that there's something wrong in same-sex relationships and their public displays of affection.

I have wasted enough of my time on this thread as obviously unless I bend over backwards to your views you will just continue to spout your views at me. I have answerewd your question many times and if you still dont understand it, then what can I say other than...you have your views and I have mine...end of !

Hmmm, I reckon you'd have to make an effort not to reply to this.

27 Jun 2008

Quote by Peanut
thats why we have classiffications and ratings on films,programmes and all sorts to protect what the minors watch if thats not the case people with the ideas like yours would start exposing their kids to watching hardcore porn.
have you ever wondered why its legal in this country for a 16&17year olds to engage in sex whilst its illegal for them to watch hardcore porn?????
how would you feel if your 7year old come from school and say he/she taken part in a drama of same sex relationship???
peanut there is time for everything,we raise our kids step by step to growing into the society but not impose everything on them at once
do you see the harm ....?

Err, couple of questions first.
You do realise that we don't have any ratings or classifications on TV in the UK?
Why are you bringing hard core into this? The topic at hand is the mayo ad where two guys share a chaste kiss. Or are you equating that to hard core pornography?
We don't impose everything on them at once? So it doesn't occur to you that hiding them away from such things as this kiss is imposing your views on them. Remember, they don't know that there is a problem with two men kissing, and when they do find out about it they will also realise that daddy thinks there's something wrong in it, so therefore there is something wrong in it. And so the chain continues.
You really don't see this from a child's perspective do you?
And to your question about my child. No I don't have a problem with it, because unlike you I don't have a problem with same sex relationships, and as a result my kids don't share the problem you have with it.
Same sex relationships have always been with us, they are always going to be with us. You choose to hide that little fact away from your kids, I don't.
There are classifications..its called the watershed.
Because you dont have a problem with your kids knowing and seeing it, does not mean that everyone holds your views, the sooner you realise that the better your replies might be!
Whether you like it or not society still views guys together as not the " norm ". Thats a fact! Not my views but the views of many. So IF society does not except it as the " norm ", why should kids be taught it is?
I have now left the building. lol

27 Jun 2008

Quote by DeeCee

there is time for everything,

If you dont mind my picking up on your point....
i would say "time AND PLACE".

But it would be acceptable during that same time and place if the guy had kissed a female actress?

we need to take some responsibility to show kids that there is a time and a place for everything and educate them ourselves giving them clear messages, not mixed messages.

Mixed messages like it's okay for male and a female to kiss but not okay for two guys too? Oh yeah, that'll sort out those mixed messages all right.

the more and more i think of the advert... i see it as just a cheap a massively powerful one.

Of course it is, that's what advertising is all about. And I wonder who gave them the power to use this particular gimmick? You don't suppose it's the people who say that male-male kissing is wrong do you?

27 Jun 2008

Quote by kentswingers777
thats why we have classiffications and ratings on films,programmes and all sorts to protect what the minors watch if thats not the case people with the ideas like yours would start exposing their kids to watching hardcore porn.
have you ever wondered why its legal in this country for a 16&17year olds to engage in sex whilst its illegal for them to watch hardcore porn?????
how would you feel if your 7year old come from school and say he/she taken part in a drama of same sex relationship???
peanut there is time for everything,we raise our kids step by step to growing into the society but not impose everything on them at once
do you see the harm ....?

Err, couple of questions first.
You do realise that we don't have any ratings or classifications on TV in the UK?
Why are you bringing hard core into this? The topic at hand is the mayo ad where two guys share a chaste kiss. Or are you equating that to hard core pornography?
We don't impose everything on them at once? So it doesn't occur to you that hiding them away from such things as this kiss is imposing your views on them. Remember, they don't know that there is a problem with two men kissing, and when they do find out about it they will also realise that daddy thinks there's something wrong in it, so therefore there is something wrong in it. And so the chain continues.
You really don't see this from a child's perspective do you?
And to your question about my child. No I don't have a problem with it, because unlike you I don't have a problem with same sex relationships, and as a result my kids don't share the problem you have with it.
Same sex relationships have always been with us, they are always going to be with us. You choose to hide that little fact away from your kids, I don't.
There are classifications..its called the watershed.

Bollocks. That's a voluntary practice put in place by broadcasting companies. It's neither a classification, nor a rating.

Because you dont have a problem with your kids knowing and seeing it, does not mean that everyone holds your views, the sooner you realise that the better your replies might be!

Ah, so you'd prefer that my replies meet your views closer then? Hmmm, double standard methinks.

Whether you like it or not society still views guys together as not the " norm ". Thats a fact! Not my views but the views of many. So IF society does not except it as the " norm ", why should kids be taught it is?

So it never occurred to you that society may just be wrong? Sort of like they have been wrong about an awful lot of things in the past?
I suppose the ethos of societal evolution is lost on you then?

I have now left the building.

Yeah, right!

27 Jun 2008

Quote by Peanut
thats why we have classiffications and ratings on films,programmes and all sorts to protect what the minors watch if thats not the case people with the ideas like yours would start exposing their kids to watching hardcore porn.
have you ever wondered why its legal in this country for a 16&17year olds to engage in sex whilst its illegal for them to watch hardcore porn?????
how would you feel if your 7year old come from school and say he/she taken part in a drama of same sex relationship???
peanut there is time for everything,we raise our kids step by step to growing into the society but not impose everything on them at once
do you see the harm ....?

Err, couple of questions first.
You do realise that we don't have any ratings or classifications on TV in the UK?
Why are you bringing hard core into this? The topic at hand is the mayo ad where two guys share a chaste kiss. Or are you equating that to hard core pornography?
We don't impose everything on them at once? So it doesn't occur to you that hiding them away from such things as this kiss is imposing your views on them. Remember, they don't know that there is a problem with two men kissing, and when they do find out about it they will also realise that daddy thinks there's something wrong in it, so therefore there is something wrong in it. And so the chain continues.
You really don't see this from a child's perspective do you?
And to your question about my child. No I don't have a problem with it, because unlikeyou I don't have a problem with same sex relationships, and as a result my kids don't share the problem you have with it.
Same sex relationships have always been with us, they are always going to be with us. You choose to hide that little fact away from your kids, I don't.
definately a twister
what in any of my statements imply that i have a problem with same sex relationship...glad another member has answered your other manipulating questions

27 Jun 2008

Quote by Phuckers
thats why we have classiffications and ratings on films,programmes and all sorts to protect what the minors watch if thats not the case people with the ideas like yours would start exposing their kids to watching hardcore porn.
have you ever wondered why its legal in this country for a 16&17year olds to engage in sex whilst its illegal for them to watch hardcore porn?????
how would you feel if your 7year old come from school and say he/she taken part in a drama of same sex relationship???
peanut there is time for everything,we raise our kids step by step to growing into the society but not impose everything on them at once
do you see the harm ....?

Err, couple of questions first.
You do realise that we don't have any ratings or classifications on TV in the UK?
Why are you bringing hard core into this? The topic at hand is the mayo ad where two guys share a chaste kiss. Or are you equating that to hard core pornography?
We don't impose everything on them at once? So it doesn't occur to you that hiding them away from such things as this kiss is imposing your views on them. Remember, they don't know that there is a problem with two men kissing, and when they do find out about it they will also realise that daddy thinks there's something wrong in it, so therefore there is something wrong in it. And so the chain continues.
You really don't see this from a child's perspective do you?
And to your question about my child. No I don't have a problem with it, because unlikeyou I don't have a problem with same sex relationships, and as a result my kids don't share the problem you have with it.
Same sex relationships have always been with us, they are always going to be with us. You choose to hide that little fact away from your kids, I don't.
definately a twister
what in any of my statements imply that i have a problem with same sex relationship...glad another member has answered your other manipulating questions
The very fact that you don't think it should be seen. Or are you going to deny that you wouldn't be having this discussion if it was a man and a women kissing?
Oh, and the fact you asked this:

how would you feel if your 7year old come from school and say he/she taken part in a drama of same sex relationship???

27 Jun 2008

I understand that this topic has given rise to differing views, on what is, in the eyes of some, a contentious subject.
As far as the actual content aired for the advertisement is concerned, I really have no strong views one way or the other, so will remain schtumm.
However: the subject of the thread initially was the banning of an advertisement.
Healthy dabate is all fine and dandy..(even if it does get a little 'personal' in some instances).
One incident/occurance in the ad has raised the debate... but remember this, an ad it is, and an ad it shall remain.
The people who produced the advertisement have no real concern for issues being discussed in the thread. None what-so-ever.
I personally doubt whether there was a bone in thier combined bodies at the time of conception that cared in the least about awateness of homosexuality or same-sex relationships.
All they were concerned about was money.
getting a product noticed and manipulating the viewer to discuss, remember and purchase that product.
We've been hoodwinked by the Money-Men. (Other Money-Sexes/Orientations also available*)
The truth of the matter is that Mayo is the Devils Rancid Semen... and should be avoided at all costs!
lp

27 Jun 2008

Quote by Peanut
thats why we have classiffications and ratings on films,programmes and all sorts to protect what the minors watch if thats not the case people with the ideas like yours would start exposing their kids to watching hardcore porn.
have you ever wondered why its legal in this country for a 16&17year olds to engage in sex whilst its illegal for them to watch hardcore porn?????
how would you feel if your 7year old come from school and say he/she taken part in a drama of same sex relationship???
peanut there is time for everything,we raise our kids step by step to growing into the society but not impose everything on them at once
do you see the harm ....?

Err, couple of questions first.
You do realise that we don't have any ratings or classifications on TV in the UK?
Why are you bringing hard core into this? The topic at hand is the mayo ad where two guys share a chaste kiss. Or are you equating that to hard core pornography?
We don't impose everything on them at once? So it doesn't occur to you that hiding them away from such things as this kiss is imposing your views on them. Remember, they don't know that there is a problem with two men kissing, and when they do find out about it they will also realise that daddy thinks there's something wrong in it, so therefore there is something wrong in it. And so the chain continues.
You really don't see this from a child's perspective do you?
And to your question about my child. No I don't have a problem with it, because unlikeyou I don't have a problem with same sex relationships, and as a result my kids don't share the problem you have with it.
Same sex relationships have always been with us, they are always going to be with us. You choose to hide that little fact away from your kids, I don't.
definately a twister
what in any of my statements imply that i have a problem with same sex relationship...glad another member has answered your other manipulating questions
The very fact that you don't think it should be seen. Or are you going to deny that you wouldn't be having this discussion if it was a man and a women kissing?
Oh, and the fact you asked this:

how would you feel if your 7year old come from school and say he/she taken part in a drama of same sex relationship???

ill be going round the same circle with you,next you will start questioning my fullstops,commas and the like
that last qoute was meant for you to answer not throw it back at me...take your time to reply am off to see about a afternoon!

27 Jun 2008

Quote by Peanut

there is time for everything,

If you dont mind my picking up on your point....
i would say "time AND PLACE".

But it would be acceptable during that same time and place if the guy had kissed a female actress?

we need to take some responsibility to show kids that there is a time and a place for everything and educate them ourselves giving them clear messages, not mixed messages.

Mixed messages like it's okay for male and a female to kiss but not okay for two guys too? Oh yeah, that'll sort out those mixed messages all right.

the more and more i think of the advert... i see it as just a cheap a massively powerful one.

Of course it is, that's what advertising is all about. And I wonder who gave them the power to use this particular gimmick? You don't suppose it's the people who say that male-male kissing is wrong do you?
which part do you want me to answer first???
you are certainly a fiesty debater and i think you havent correctly read my position on the matter. .i posted on the "homophobic thread" which also sets out how i view these things.
do me a favour,take 10 mins to cool off, read it again, then re-read my post which you disected aswell.
you should clearly see that i am on your side fella on this issue.I am a father, so the issue of educating my children is of paramount importance.
Thanks to this thread i have a bit of a clearer understanding of how i will approach these matters.

27 Jun 2008

Quote by Phuckers
ill be going round the same circle with you,next you will start questioning my fullstops,commas and the like

There would be far too much to write if that was my aim.
lol

that last qoute was meant for you to answer not throw it back at me...take your time to reply am off to see about a afternoon!

I did answer it, the fact you either didn't understand it or disliked it does not detract from the fact that it was an answer.

27 Jun 2008

Quote by DeeCee

there is time for everything,

If you dont mind my picking up on your point....
i would say "time AND PLACE".

But it would be acceptable during that same time and place if the guy had kissed a female actress?

we need to take some responsibility to show kids that there is a time and a place for everything and educate them ourselves giving them clear messages, not mixed messages.

Mixed messages like it's okay for male and a female to kiss but not okay for two guys too? Oh yeah, that'll sort out those mixed messages all right.

the more and more i think of the advert... i see it as just a cheap a massively powerful one.

Of course it is, that's what advertising is all about. And I wonder who gave them the power to use this particular gimmick? You don't suppose it's the people who say that male-male kissing is wrong do you?
which part do you want me to answer first???

Any would be a start, you didn't actually answer any of the points.

you are certainly a fiesty debater and i think you havent correctly read my position on the matter. .i posted on the "homophobic thread" which also sets out how i view these things.

One misconception it seems that you share with the others is that you think I'm taking personal potshots. I'm not, my comment to your post was based on what you said, nothing else.

do me a favour,take 10 mins to cool off, read it again, then re-read my post which you disected aswell.

What makes you think I'm over-heated? There are some things I'm passionate about but that does not mean I lose my cool, or even my reason.

you should clearly see that i am on your side fella on this issue.I am a father, so the issue of educating my children is of paramount importance.

I'll take you at your word as I don't know you. I can only pass comment on what you write here. I can't pass comment on your thought processes other than general observations.
The fact still remains that you didn't say why this ad comes under the "time and a place" banner. The fact you pointed that out is what resulted in my comments. Based on that I can't see how we are on the same page on this matter.
If it makes it easier for you then it may be beneficial to make my own opinion clearer. I believe in total equality between all humans. It doesn't matter to me if they are purest turquoise and lust after aliens. In this instance I don't find this advert with two guys exchanging a kiss to be any different than if it was a guy and a women. They are two human beings, why shouldn't they be seen kissing?
The subtext I read from your time and a place comment was that this was something you felt shouldn't be seen by kids. I cannot, genuinely, understand why that should be a problem for anyone. Yes I could understand it if he got his dick out and proceeded to jam it into the guy's mouth, but come on folks, this was a non-sexual kiss. Let's get some perspective on this. FFS we've even had allusions to hard core gay pornography in this thread? WTF is that all about?

Thanks to this thread i have a bit of a clearer understanding of how i will approach these matters.

Thanks to this thread I have now got a better understanding about just how unliberated some swingers can be.

27 Jun 2008

Quote by Peanut
thats why we have classiffications and ratings on films,programmes and all sorts to protect what the minors watch if thats not the case people with the ideas like yours would start exposing their kids to watching hardcore porn.
have you ever wondered why its legal in this country for a 16&17year olds to engage in sex whilst its illegal for them to watch hardcore porn?????
how would you feel if your 7year old come from school and say he/she taken part in a drama of same sex relationship???
peanut there is time for everything,we raise our kids step by step to growing into the society but not impose everything on them at once
do you see the harm ....?

Err, couple of questions first.
You do realise that we don't have any ratings or classifications on TV in the UK?
Why are you bringing hard core into this? The topic at hand is the mayo ad where two guys share a chaste kiss. Or are you equating that to hard core pornography?
We don't impose everything on them at once? So it doesn't occur to you that hiding them away from such things as this kiss is imposing your views on them. Remember, they don't know that there is a problem with two men kissing, and when they do find out about it they will also realise that daddy thinks there's something wrong in it, so therefore there is something wrong in it. And so the chain continues.
You really don't see this from a child's perspective do you?
And to your question about my child. No I don't have a problem with it, because unlike you I don't have a problem with same sex relationships, and as a result my kids don't share the problem you have with it.
Same sex relationships have always been with us, they are always going to be with us. You choose to hide that little fact away from your kids, I don't.
There are classifications..its called the watershed.

Bollocks. That's a voluntary practice put in place by broadcasting companies. It's neither a classification, nor a rating.

Because you dont have a problem with your kids knowing and seeing it, does not mean that everyone holds your views, the sooner you realise that the better your replies might be!

Ah, so you'd prefer that my replies meet your views closer then? Hmmm, double standard methinks.

Whether you like it or not society still views guys together as not the " norm ". Thats a fact! Not my views but the views of many. So IF society does not except it as the " norm ", why should kids be taught it is?

So it never occurred to you that society may just be wrong? Sort of like they have been wrong about an awful lot of things in the past?
I suppose the ethos of societal evolution is lost on you then?

I have now left the building.

Yeah, right!
As I have had to re-enter the buliding I must say that with comments like the one I have highlighted about my views, you are seriously stepping close to breaking the AUP m8.
Now whilst anyone on here will tell you I like a good debate, there is no need to use words like that, in the manner to which you wrote it!!
I am sure there are Mods who are watching this thread and am suprised nobody has intervened yet...but they will. So there you have it. And for what it is worth, you do speak a load of drivel. :lol: Gone.

27 Jun 2008

Quote by kentswingers777
As I have had to re-enter the buliding I must say that with comments like the one I have highlighted about my views, you are seriously stepping close to breaking the AUP m8.
Now whilst anyone on here will tell you I like a good debate, there is no need to use words like that, in the manner to which you wrote it!!
I am sure there are Mods who are watching this thread and am suprised nobody has intervened yet...but they will. So there you have it. And for what it is worth, you do speak a load of drivel. Gone.

LMAO

27 Jun 2008

Quote by Phuckers

That's not what I said. I said that anything that helps. The more it happens the more acceptance it will gain. It's human nature, if anything happens all the time we learn to accept it. It's only when stuff gets hidden all the time then pops up once in a while that outrage occurs.
I hope to $DEITY that British TV never goes the way of US TV when organised groups control what appears on TV purely by the pure number of complaints they can organise. Look at the Jackson Nipple Debacle for proof.

And that is where society has gone wrong. Why should people have to accept anything just because it is " politically correct " to do so.

Have to accept? Why do gay guys "have to accept" the fact that they cannot make a display of public affection without reactions like yours?
So what you are actually are saying is that we should accept what you find acceptable? It's only relatively recently (over the last couple of hundred years) that same sex displays aren't considered acceptable. as I said earlier you have the church to blame for your non-accepting attitude. rolleyes

Where does one draw the line? A few years ago this kind of advert would never ever have been shown, now it seems acceptable. What next? Two guys simulating sex on an advert? :shock:

Draw the line at what? Two guys having a closed mouth kiss? Call in the Obscene Publications Squad why don't you, a line has been crossed that should never have been!
What next? Why shouldn't two guys bee seen simulating sex, after all we have men and women simulating sex on screen in adverts.

I do not agree with this kind of thing on national tv in an advert...but of course that is only my opinion.

That would a homophobic opinion then?
DONT twist things. I always say it is my opinion!! Because I think something I would never expect people to accept my opinion and not their own.
Also dont throw the homophobic crap either. I have already said I am fine with live and let live, and am NOT homophobic. I dont have a problem with gay guys and never have had. I have given MY opinion on an advert for which I think is unacceptable before the watershed...period.
I respect your opinion as you should respect mine....no ?
You did see the question mark on the end didn't you? To all intents and purposes the opinion you were passing seemed to me to be homophobic. I was asking you if that was the case. You've now answered that.
What I don't understand though, because you haven't explained why, is why a chaste kiss between two men shouldn't be on before the watershed when it's patently obvious that a similar kiss between a man and a woman would be at home in a kids program about Mum and Dad much less in an advert.
What I don't understand is the dichotomy of not having a problem with gay guys but quite obviously you having a problem if they demonstrate minimal gestures of affection.
I understand that by referring to the watershed you mean that it's more accurate to state that you have a problem with kids seeing this horrendous display of affection.
Any chance of enlightening me as to how this could harm our kids? Just your opinion of course.
Every parents has a duty and responsibility to look after their children its also their right to monitor what the children are watching, doing on computers or when they are in school we expect the teachers carry on the duty of if some company come up with advert that parents feel is not appropriate for theirs kids to watch, they have every right to voice their protest.
kentswingers777 has clearly stated that he doesnt have a problem with gay people kissing on TV but he would prefer if his children dont watch it.....
How could that harm our kids

I couldn't have said it better myself...no seriously i couldn't.
i found the advert amusing and understood what the advertisers were getting at,but not appropriate for daytime telly.
i think i misquote the wrong item,
mr powers did you just say that! :thumbup:
yep that was me...

27 Jun 2008

Quote by winchwench
the point is ... that steve has a habit of playing the bully, but others( me included) can see right through it.
Like a few on here, he has a different view. Some I agree with and some I don't. The forum would be boring without these differing views. Steve, in my opinion, has a thought and puts it in type and will then ask questions about others answers. This applies to Frecklebird, Phuckers, Wunderhorse, and quite a few I could mention. I like the way they do not stick to the norm. They all make me think and look at a topic in a totally different way. Is that bullying? Not in my book, just clarifying answers.
he hides behind his friends and the AUP and basically loves a good row.
I suspect his friends on here would be the first to point out to Steve if he stepped over the mark. And I suspect he would be the first to acknowledge it............well at least Shireen would give him a bash around the head first . Hiding behind the AUP? You can not hide behind it.........you either abide by it and stay or do not abide by it and get a boot.
he hangs on to a time when he was important... but the truth is, he is no-longer important,
Well below the belt and should not be in an adult discussion. It is more suited to the playground
and less attractib=ve to the opposite sex. accordingly he takes it out on his (more virile) competition.
Even more below the belt. Your head should hang in shame for that
if im gonna get banned for speaking my mind.. then so be it.
I hope you don't get a ban, but you should think before insulting people
Just for the record, me and Steve have crossed swords in previous threads. And at one point it became quite heated, but that was with the discussion and not insults. I hope everyone can play happily now and stop building barriers of them and us. There is no them and us, there is only me against the rest of you :twisted: .

As for the advert? I wouldn't have noticed it if it hadn't been pointed out to me. To me it is just another scene in everyday life. I wouldn't bat an eyelid.
Dave_Notts
worship

Dave, you've done my thumping head a real favour as I've been trying to get round to saying just that all day.

:thumbup: couldn't agree more.
I'm really sick of the shite in here now. Threads are becoming direct hits at people.

27 Jun 2008

Quote by jaymar
the point is ... that steve has a habit of playing the bully, but others( me included) can see right through it.
Like a few on here, he has a different view. Some I agree with and some I don't. The forum would be boring without these differing views. Steve, in my opinion, has a thought and puts it in type and will then ask questions about others answers. This applies to Frecklebird, Phuckers, Wunderhorse, and quite a few I could mention. I like the way they do not stick to the norm. They all make me think and look at a topic in a totally different way. Is that bullying? Not in my book, just clarifying answers.
he hides behind his friends and the AUP and basically loves a good row.
I suspect his friends on here would be the first to point out to Steve if he stepped over the mark. And I suspect he would be the first to acknowledge it............well at least Shireen would give him a bash around the head first . Hiding behind the AUP? You can not hide behind it.........you either abide by it and stay or do not abide by it and get a boot.
he hangs on to a time when he was important... but the truth is, he is no-longer important,
Well below the belt and should not be in an adult discussion. It is more suited to the playground
and less attractib=ve to the opposite sex. accordingly he takes it out on his (more virile) competition.
Even more below the belt. Your head should hang in shame for that
if im gonna get banned for speaking my mind.. then so be it.
I hope you don't get a ban, but you should think before insulting people
Just for the record, me and Steve have crossed swords in previous threads. And at one point it became quite heated, but that was with the discussion and not insults. I hope everyone can play happily now and stop building barriers of them and us. There is no them and us, there is only me against the rest of you :twisted: .

As for the advert? I wouldn't have noticed it if it hadn't been pointed out to me. To me it is just another scene in everyday life. I wouldn't bat an eyelid.
Dave_Notts
worship

Dave, you've done my thumping head a real favour as I've been trying to get round to saying just that all day.

:thumbup: couldn't agree more.
I'm really sick of the shite in here now. Threads are becoming direct hits at people.
:thumbup:
Totally agree with you Mar. The forum has got quite nasty of late. I think I preferred it when it was all light and frothy and funny.
:cry: :cry: :cry: