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So.....
I haven't used SH for a while and just found time due to life/work to get back online and have a few forrays onto the Forum, and peruse the occasional add.
I have to be honest and say that the general feeling of the place has changed over the past year and a half. There seems to be less people using the forum and a majority of thos belong in what I call the "SH Hierachy" or old regulars.
It's like a popularity competition at times, and reading through the posts/threads I can see how different people fit into different leagues (akin to football due to the amount of supporters each has).
The "Premier League" users (usually the SH regulars of old) command great respect as anyone having a go at them or going against their opinion are slammed and a marauding gaggle often build up in their defence and pick apart the who has dared to question them.
What is really evident lately is the first division and up and coming second division users who are in the "promotion zone" by begining to gain "friendship" with the old regs by agreeing with them/ courting their favour and showing their alligience to their posts.
Joining in with the "in jokes", having a pop at all those who are in the "sunday league" or relegation zone.
I realise more than most how this site is a reflection of actual social environments but it's beginning to resemble one of those workplaces you go to where a hierachy of colleagues have clanned together and oestrosise (spelling probably going to be picked up by someone i'm sure) the new worker unless they fit the "criteria" to be initiated into the group.
An example of this is the "thanks a lot we are leaving SH" thread currently on the forum.
Yes I had my doubts about the story but tried to give constructive criticism or advice rather than have a direct pop at them as some people actually gain coudos/respect on here for being blatantly cruel or even dare i say it borderline bully.
These people have supporters who say "that's just the way they are, they are a direct person and have a right to an opinion" etc etc ad infinitum, which is just a PC way of justifying and finding excuses for blatant elitist and the bullying.
I am pretty much non biased on here, I'll call a spade a spade, if someone is an idiot I'll often tell them they are being so but not to court favour or gain "supporters" by being the "blunt user type" who seems to be above the AUP's at times. I don't really care about "supporters" and that's what this post is about. Elitism on SH Forums.
People have asked "what's happened to the Forum?". Anyone with more than one brain cell can see it has literally become a ghost town from how it used to be 18 months ago when there was always new posts popping up. These days I can log on 24 hours later and no new threads! This never used to be the case it used to be a real lively and vibrant place. Well, read between the lines, I'm sure the more astute among you, or those who don't have a social jostling inclination will agree? New people come on the forum and make mistakes when they are new to this type of , something NeilinLeeds pointed out to me recently about my own early posting days but noted that "we all get there in the end, even if it does take some time"! Superiority complex stuff that and a prime example of the point i am making (and NOT against AUP's im sure?). Most new users dont fit into the criteria right away as there is a learning curve and a certain way to express your opinions etc on a forum like this, but being a SWINGING site people are often misguided and think it's all smut and filth talk (which mostly is true lol ). I think we as users should recognise that and rather than attack them like a pack of wolves (trolls), maybe have a kinder word and remember what it was like when we were first here?
I know this will rattle some cages, but i can live with that. I don't need support to voice my opinion on here, I've got thick skin.
The elitist users will no doubt come up with a cleverly worded thread to try and discredit this opinion or ignore it altogether, and the first division and second division promotion zone types will create a less cleverly worded discredit due to their inferior knowledge of the way this place works, and their enthusiasm to show their support to enhance promotion prospects. So.....I open up to the comments of the forum users.
I think any forum is a reflection of the general social niceties and not-so-niceties that you find elsewhere in 'real' life.
I'm slightly disappointed in the forum of late, but only because I find all the sniping wearisome. Banter? Sure, I love a bit of banter. But I can't be doing with deliberately argumentative. And yes, I find myself checking the forum in an increasingly vain hope that there might be a rash of new threads to post in like there often used to be.
I have no idea of how I am perceived by other users and, to an extent, I care not a jot. I like the forum, it's a part of the site that I didn't expect to use or enjoy when I first joined and in fact, I have found it much more 'me' than the chatrooms (they're a bit too fast and impersonal for me.) Am I part of a 'clique' or 'elite'? I don't know. To some, I might be one of the old guard, but I still feel like a newbie at times.
Since becoming a Mod I've had moments where I've thought I shouldn't perhaps use the forum as much as I do, and take a bit more of a backseat. Then I figure that I'm a member first and mod second, so I'll just try and carry on and balance the two. It hasn't done me any favours though, as I know that I have been subject to some fairly thinly-veiled accusations that I give preferential treatment to people who are my friends. That's not true; if Admin thought it was the case then I know the buttons would be taken off me pretty darn quick.
And what of cliques? Well, what can I say? There are some regular forumites who I consider friends in 'real' life. There are forumites I've played with. There are forumites who I've happily introduced to my vanilla friends and my family and who have become much more than simply people I banter online with. Then there are the folk who I have interacted with online for, in some cases, years and of whom I have grown genuinely fond despite never having met them. There are also a few who wind me up, and probably always will. Is it not understandable that my interaction with these people may at times appear different, more familiar perhaps, than that which I have with people I don't know as well? Does that make a clique? I don't think so.
I'm waffling so I will stop. I hope the forums, particularly the Cafe, continue to thrive and that people get their (non-antagonistic!) posting boots on and get stuck in!
Nola x
Ohhhh what league am I in innocent
Apart from that I join in when I want to and agree with who I want to, plus the fact I have a sense of humour and if others are having a laugh why shouldn`t I join in too, that doesn`t make me an ass-kisser, it makes me part of the forum, it shouldn`t be all doom and gloom.
Also people move on, thats life
I’ve been reading and posting here in this forum for over seven years, but the only way I regard myself as one of the “old guard” is that I can remember what the forum has been like through all those seven years, through all the ups and downs it has had. I can even remember several posts like yours during this time – the lament “What’s happened to this forum!” is not new at all.
The anonymity that the internet affords attracts all sorts of people who want to use that freedom to be idiotic, angry, hurtful, cruel, pompous, absurd, obscene, etc, etc, and many internet forums including this one have had their fair share. And when the arsey types seem to predominate, it is always liable to send the reasonable ones away after a while. I have used a particular internet forum (nothing at all to do with swinging) for a few years where I now only post facts or things from my own experience, so fed up have I become with being told pompously I was wrong by antagonistic or superior types – you know, the ones who begin every post with “obviously”.
When this forum has gone through quiet phases in the past, it has usually revived itself again. But that was before the era of facebook, twitter, etc, which are two of the increasing number of alternative ways members here have of keeping in touch.
A few people in here have met me at socials and munches, and we keep in touch from time to time, but I have never expected anyone here to defend me from (reasonable) attack by others, although, as Nola rightly put it, members are bound to post differently if they are addressing someone in here whom they know, compared with someone they don’t know. That’s just being human.
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So.....I open up to the comments of the forum users.

I just come here to look at Nola's beautiful boobies, make bad jokes, and occasionally fly off the handle.
works for me wink
Ohhh Fraser does this make us the first or second division dunno
We can`t be sticking up for ourselves surely, aren`t we supposed to be at the back of the "Elite" club trailing behind every one else :doh:
I do have my own voice Srne, I don`t need to be a sychophant
I think you have to go back a lot further than 18 months to find a vibrant active forum. The site is changeing and evolving all the time. Some feel for the better, some feel for the worse. I think the forums these days are a small part of the site and chat and increasingly the ads are taking the lead. People now pay to use this site...and judge the success or failure of the site in how many meets they get. Also maybe the forums are not as active because after so many years...there is not so much left to talk about that has not already been covered ??
is it possible that people have got back to doing what they wanted to do in the first place ie swinging?
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I just come here to look at Nola's beautiful boobies

I came on earlier and I'm sure you can imagine my disappointment when nola's boobies were gone!!! :eeek:
They're back now so it must have been a blip ..... phew!!! :thumbup:
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I just come here to look at Nola's beautiful boobies

I came on earlier and I'm sure you can imagine my disappointment when nola's boobies were gone!!! :eeek:
They're back now so it must have been a blip ..... phew!!! :thumbup:
Awww... thanks you guys!
I tried to change my avatar to a different boob shot but alas it all went wrong. Normal cleavage service is resumed!
As you were.
:rose:
I think I probably should have something to say about this, but to be honest... it is what it is .. I have little time for pecking orders or hierarchy and don't recognise the forum you're writing about Srne... top and bottom of it is if I think I have something to post I post it, if I don't, I don't
I'm far too lazy to remember who I've fought with let alone who are fighting each other. May explain why have always found myself a bit of an outsider - not even noticing the so-called cliques and certainly not any complex and subtle hierarchy. dunno
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The "Premier League" users (usually the SH regulars of old) command great respect

I should think so too.
What???? lol :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I miss using the forum as was and i cant be arsed with one or two of the self obsessed ar*eholes who think it their god given right to criticise and single out individuals until they break and make a mistake through exasperation for what seems like the sick amusement of the aforementioned ar*eholes.
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I miss using the forum as was and i cant be arsed with one or two of the self obsessed ar*eholes who think it their god given right to criticise and single out individuals until they break and make a mistake through exasperation for what seems like the sick amusement of the aforementioned ar*eholes.

apparently i may fall into the arse hole category :notes:
:grin::grin:
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I am occasionally surprised at the level of abuse that appears to be ignored or even encouraged and I`d mention again that the people who seem able to get away the abuse are those that butter up the mods .....not a thinly veiled accusation, just a direct observation of the way it seems to work Nola !!

You want this place to be more moderated? Really?
Oh and the bit in bold? Bollocks.
Just a direct observation of the way it actually works. wink
I like the Forums, I post when I feel like.
I think that banter in posts between friends can sometimes appear as being " a clique " that's where the confusion lies.
My two pennies worth....toodles off to the chatroom.
Some great comments, some great debate, glad to see it's still there.
I always read well thought out replies with interest, even those that disagree with my point, it's good there is flickers of the old forum I remember.
Sometimes i let off steam here about the place and what I think is wong with it, maybe i'm an idealist but who knows?
Whether you have agreed, disagreed or even had a go at the flow of my post, nigh on all of the comments have been pretty spot on in one context or another becauyse people have taken the time to think about an issue and air their right to an opinion.
All hail the forum cafe, maybe you are not gone after all?
Things tend to go in peeks and troughs I suppose. I wouldn't say the forum is any different now to what it was 2 years or 5 years ago. There will always be those that say that is was different of course - the rose tinted spectacles brigade exist in reality as well as virtually.
It is not entirely dissimilar to the section of society who continually bang on about the "good old days" where you could leave your door open all night and homosexuality had not been invented etc
I suppose people see what they want to see and shape their own perceptions to meet their own pre-conceived ideas of how they would like to see things as opposed to how they actually are.
If you go to Page 450 on here about halfway down there is a post whining about how SH has gone downhill... and that was in 2005.
The same can be said about the moderators, the arguments about cliques, favouritism and all that stuff can be traced all the way back, but it is all a bit too uninteresting to find an example.
Anyway my point is that I don't see it as a moan, but as an observation, however it is not a new one by any stretch of the imagination.
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Things tend to go in peeks and troughs I suppose. I wouldn't say the forum is any different now to what it was 2 years or 5 years ago. There will always be those that say that is was different of course - the rose tinted spectacles brigade exist in reality as well as virtually.
It is not entirely dissimilar to the section of society who continually bang on about the "good old days" where you could leave your door open all night and homosexuality had not been invented etc
I suppose people see what they want to see and shape their own perceptions to meet their own pre-conceived ideas of how they would like to see things as opposed to how they actually are.
If you go to Page 450 on here about halfway down there is a post whining about how SH has gone downhill... and that was in 2005.
The same can be said about the moderators, the arguments about cliques, favouritism and all that stuff can be traced all the way back, but it is all a bit too uninteresting to find an example.
Anyway my point is that I don't see it as a moan, but as an observation, however it is not a new one by any stretch of the imagination.

In reply to the entire post but more about the bit in bold.
The forum is nowhere near as busy as it was in 2005 2006 fact. Its not a trough its been not as busy in every year since and I dont believe it will ever be as busy again. Some of the types of thread have changed. There were back in the old rose tinted spectacle days virtually no political type CA threads and no what has now become to be known as dullard threads. They didnt exist back then. This can clearly be seen by looking at the way back machine
The dullard threads came about due to the introduction of a Just for fun forum which was later removed. The Just for fun threads then continued in the cafe.
More current affairs threads came about due to the introcduction of a Current affairs forum which as we all know still exists. If we had forums for cookery and computer games they would have cookery and computer games topics in them, go figure. The current affairs forum was created to house some of the more firey threads that were in the cafe. This idea IMHO was not bad only the naming of the forum as current affairs was incorrect as a lot of the firey threads that were in the cafe were not current affairs or politically influenced.
I am not going to go into what was better then or now but what I have written above is as far as I am concerned fact that I have looked up and linked to on various other threads.
Again one random Rose tinted link from the past 2005. Quick glance over 2 pages and not one CA type thread and no dullard threads plus its tons busier. Happy reading.
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Again one random Rose tinted link from the past 2005. Quick glance over 2 pages and not one CA type thread and no dullard threads plus its tons busier. Happy reading.

and not an inanimate object in sight wink
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come september will be buzzing again

Sex toy sale?? :happy:
No this is the SH culling season.
members log on for the final time and are found dead at the keyboard some time later.
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No this is the SH culling season.
members log on for the final time and are found dead at the keyboard some time later.

But its being such a happy, cheerful guy that keeps you going on eh duncan? wink
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Again one random Rose tinted link from the past 2005. Quick glance over 2 pages and not one CA type thread and no dullard threads plus its tons busier. Happy reading.

and not an inanimate object in sight wink
No! As stated in the original whole post no Dullard threads biggrin
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the forum always goes quiet at this time of yr with folks going on holiday
and with kids off school come september will be buzzing again

Disagree lol It will have about 5 more posts per day. Forum seems to be a bit sporadic of late anyway getting busy........er for no apparent reason then dying off just as quick.
It actually bothers me not. As have just said in another thread there is a far busier forum on another site but its far too busy for me. This level of posting sits just about right for me. Quality control can be more of an issue :lol:
I think what frustrates me is that people discuss/debate/moan (delete as appropriate!) about the forum being quiet all the time and yet there are very few people who actually start threads to get the place going again. dunno Just seems like there needs to be threads started if folk want a busier forum...
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I think what frustrates me is that people discuss/debate/moan (delete as appropriate!) about the forum being quiet all the time and yet there are very few people who actually start threads to get the place going again. dunno Just seems like there needs to be threads started if folk want a busier forum...

What pisses me off Nola is that I sometimes spend whole minutes crafting a reply, most of them ending up in me recycle bin, sometimes going even so far as to log in sometime later to check me spelling and correct grammatical errors and the like, and people don't even have the common courtesy to acknowledge that atcherly, this website is all about me?
:smug: :rascal: ;)
I mean, what's the chuffin' point of me meandering on to meself in a somewhat surreal kinda way, that does kinda make sense in me own head, atcherly, even if it looks like a shit load of gibberish to everyone else ((( I at least know what I'm on about when I talk to meself! OK? Just cos everyone else can't keep up with me tangential imaginary conversations . . . well . . . not my fault is it? confused ))) if noone's gonna subsequently quote my ill-thought out, inane opinions and ask WTF are you on about Nellie? Eh? What is the point Nola? Answer me that then. You can't can you. It's proabably one of those existential questions French people get paid a lot to talk about, mainly cos noone else, with the possible exception of GnV can understand cos they're French? )))
Sometimes, trying to work out what I actually think is so demanding of me time and energy that I have little to offer to some of the third-parties who present themselves on 'ere? You know, those who, like me perhaps, having just spent the best part of 'alf an hour typing this up when I could be doing, like, properly important things, are clearly, quite obviously in desperate need of a bit of a sitting down and a stern, matronly like talking to! :rascal:
N x x x ;)
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You know, those who, like me perhaps, having just spent the best part of 'alf an hour typing this up when I could be doing, like, properly important things, are clearly, quite obviously in desperate need of a bit of a sitting down and a stern, matronly like talking to! :rascal:
N x x x ;)

wave <<< offers self as a stern talker! :rascal:
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You know, those who, like me perhaps, having just spent the best part of 'alf an hour typing this up when I could be doing, like, properly important things, are clearly, quite obviously in desperate need of a bit of a sitting down and a stern, matronly like talking to! :rascal:
N x x x ;)

wave <<< offers self as a stern talker! :rascal:
Knew I could rely on you for a telling off Nola, with or without the nursey / school-mistressy attire frolicking through the undergrowth in my fumbling juvenile, fantasies?
I'd offer you me manly chest too if I thought it might be mutually consoling> Kind of a one-way street though that whole comforty, breasty thing eh? smile That's probably why men are so pissed off, generally speaking, innit? It's cos, deep down, there ain't a man alive who didn't wishe he had his own set of tits to play with. I mean, you'd just never get tired of the possibilities, would you?
Well, not unless you was possessed of a sorely limited imagaination, anyways, but I degress? ;)
N x x x ;)