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Quote by WibblyWobbly
I'm concerned about the privacy issue... it is one thing putting your trust in fellow swingers but quite another when a commercial entity becomes involved. Do we have your word that you will not sell our email addresses to marketeers for instance?

I know as soon as Calista reads this her FIRST reaction will be shock, the second will probably be to remove ALL pictures of us... at least until we all know what is going on and how things will change.
this site is the BEST. BUT as people have said, its the best because of the people, the community - US. Its not the owners that make the site (thats not me taking ANYTHING away from Mark, see my last post) BUT its US that make the community and we will hopefully still be able to under the new ownership.
The new features:
One unified login and members area for the whole site.
Unlimited pictures
Site messaging
Video chat room
User profiles
Distance displays
An ultra boost in speed.
And many more…
Take it people think we dont like the way it is in here but then again we are just the members i am sure it would have been better to talk to us.
I have to say I willnot be leaving SH in the near furture i will give it a go under new ownership.
People always resent change which is why i have quoted the part i have
I would like to ask if Elliot is actually a swinger and if he has an indepth view of it or is this just a buisness venture?
My bit of advice to Elliot and the takeover company will be to talk to the members ask them what they actually want (which i dont see vidio chat as one of them) why would we want to pay for extras that we have never needed in the past I find totally unnaceptable.
so what can i say besides
TALK TO THE MEMBERS ELLIOT BEFORE MAKING CHANGES
Well, in the spirit of good will, here's how I think this site could make a profit without annoying the regulars.
1) While web devlopers always see the potential for improvement (I know, I am one!) fundamentally, this site isn't broken, and doesn't need fixing. Enhancements like a site-wide log-in are not important to the users, and the site does not lose traffic because we don't have that now.
2) Saving on the outgoings: This bandwidth-heavy portion of this site is the photo ads, if you want to make savings and improve the site, some sort of automated filtering of the huge number of bogus photo ads is probably top priority - 'Women Seeking Men' is a prime target for scammers and your competitors to do damage.
3) Keep the ad-ons visually seperate. A paid webcam site is a good idea, but trying to bolt it on to SH will meet with resisance. Why not build a different site for that, then use the banner ad position top right (and free memberships for use if you feel that's viable) to drive traffic to it?
4) We accept the paid for links in the Shopping menu on the left. Expanding, or renegotiating whatever deals are in place for those links is probably the first thing I'd look at to boost revenue.
Quote by WibblyWobbly
I'm concerned about the privacy issue... it is one thing putting your trust in fellow swingers but quite another when a commercial entity becomes involved. Do we have your word that you will not sell our email addresses to marketeers for instance?

When was the last time your heard of a Company that kept their word confused: Money is involved and a profit and loss account has to be kept in the black so things will be sold on and a profit made.
Fred
Quote by WibblyWobbly
I'm concerned about the privacy issue... it is one thing putting your trust in fellow swingers but quite another when a commercial entity becomes involved. Do we have your word that you will not sell our email addresses to marketeers for instance?

worship :worship: :worship:
I'm shocked and dismayed that Mark didn't let us know personally but I'm sure he had his own reasons and I wish him the very best - my only regret is that I never got to meet him personally but I hope that he still comes in every so often to let us know how he is doing.
Eilliott - I hope you understand that this place is like a family and while I personally welcome change I hope you will respect all that we've done here. and I hope that nothing much will change in terms of the atmosphere on here.....
I will stay here though.....we WILL all be okay....
i'm with the 'wait and see' brigade on this one - sarah, bloke, Prevert, Mr&Mrs Beds - it might be good, it might be crap.
But they know it's the people that make this site - so they're not going to do too much too quickly. Lose the people and they've lost their investment.
And if it all goes wrong - there's a whole wide internet world out there - i'm sure we'll all find each other somewhere else if we have to.
it might not seem like it now, but we have the power, not them
take care all xx
Surely you don't use your primary email account on here ???
I suppose my only surprise is that....people are surprised :shock: was there really that kind of naivity around that folk thought the place would plod on forever without a commercial gain being made or being sought?....surely not.
Like everyone else I can only guess at events, but if you guess at a site starting out in a small way, with the owners not really knowing how it would grow and form itself, but then finding perhaps to thier surprise that the time and effort and I will also guess at a bit of cost as well, has made it grow into something that is much bigger than they envisaged and into something that now has a workload thats seriously impinging on life and a commercial value that can't be ignored, what would you do?...yep sell it! and why not. What the hell is so wrong about realising a worth on something you own and deciding to take that worth to provide for you and your own, cos I'm buggered if I can find fault in that.
So now there are new owners and those owners are going to try and make a shilling or two with thier new purchase. They have made thier initial announcement and already a few sticks and stones have been chucked over the walls at em. commercialism, greed, scammers, blah, blah, blah, well so what, someone sees an opening, sees an oppurtunity to add to thier existing business does the leg work splashes out the dosh and thats ohhh so wrong?....eerm no it isnt, its real life, you might not like it but thats pretty much how the world works, someone puts in the work, some starting capital and a business is born and on the back of that with a bit of luck comes a copper or two, ohhh and that terrible word as well....shall I say it?...shall I? ..go on then say it.....PROFIT.
Change can often be unpallatable, we all like the comfort of what we know, but change is ineviatable in nearly everything we do, touch and get involved in, sometimes for the better sometimes for the worse, but as sure as eggs are eggs it is with us all.
I ain't trying to piss on peoples concerns, but thus far its been said that the existing membership is gonna be uneffected, sort of tuped over and thats fine by me and if the time comes that the place changes into something that I don't like, or into something I can't afford, then I will open that same door that I opened when I walked into the place...the one marked 'free' and gently shut it behind me.
Best of luck to the old owners and best of luck to the new.
Quote by Mister_Discreet
3) Keep the ad-ons visually seperate. A paid webcam site is a good idea, but trying to bolt it on to SH will meet with resisance. Why not build a different site for that, then use the banner ad position top right (and free memberships for use if you feel that's viable) to drive traffic to it?

Bingo!!! That's it!!!! :bounce: Keep the site the same, but then have bolt ons :bounce: Keep them visually separate from the main site ......... that would work :bounce:
Integrating free stuff with pay for 'enhancement's' to the actual site, I am just so scared that it will fall flat - seen it done on every other swinging site that has turned into 'enhanced membership' or whatever frilly word they call it confused
Quote by boroughb
And if it all goes wrong - there's a whole wide internet world out there - i'm sure we'll all find each other somewhere else if we have to.

rotflmao and :shock: at the extra traffic (?) going through msn and right now.
Quote by Elliot
Hello all,
My name is Elliot,

Would you mind if I fucked your partner? ( I am going to guess you would... rolleyes )
Haven't the time to read all the replies, back to work in 2 secs, but I am guessing you aren't a swinger.......
more later
bolloxbolloxbolloxbolloxbolloxbolloxbolloxbolloxbolloxbolloxbolloxbolloxbollox
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Quote by Phoenix
Surely you don't use your primary email account on here ???

What we have here is a failure to quote... were you talking to me? smile
Of course I don't have my primary email account on here... but some people will do - those that are less net savvy... rules and regs are designed to protect all... and in any case... even if my email address here is a tertiary one... it doesn't mean that I wish it to be abused... :P
Quote by WibblyWobbly
Surely you don't use your primary email account on here ???

What we have here is a failure to quote... were you talking to me? smile
Of course I don't have my primary email account on here... but some people will do - those that are less net savvy... rules and regs are designed to protect all... and in any case... even if my email address here is a tertiary one... it doesn't mean that I wish it to be abused... :P
Sorry WW (and darkfire), yes, a "failiure to communicate" as in Cool Hand Luke.
Tertiary email eh,,,, can't think of the next one up, quad something or other lol
Quote by davej
I suppose my only surprise is that....people are surprised :shock: was there really that kind of naivity around that folk thought the place would plod on forever without a commercial gain being made or being sought?....surely not.
Like everyone else I can only guess at events, but if you guess at a site starting out in a small way, with the owners not really knowing how it would grow and form itself, but then finding perhaps to thier surprise that the time and effort and I will also guess at a bit of cost as well, has made it grow into something that is much bigger than they envisaged and into something that now has a workload thats seriously impinging on life and a commercial value that can't be ignored, what would you do?...yep sell it! and why not. What the hell is so wrong about realising a worth on something you own and deciding to take that worth to provide for you and your own, cos I'm buggered if I can find fault in that.
So now there are new owners and those owners are going to try and make a shilling or two with thier new purchase. They have made thier initial announcement and already a few sticks and stones have been chucked over the walls at em. commercialism, greed, scammers, blah, blah, blah, well so what, someone sees an opening, sees an oppurtunity to add to thier existing business does the leg work splashes out the dosh and thats ohhh so wrong?....eerm no it isnt, its real life, you might not like it but thats pretty much how the world works, someone puts in the work, some starting capital and a business is born and on the back of that with a bit of luck comes a copper or two, ohhh and that terrible word as well....shall I say it?...shall I? ..go on then say it.....PROFIT.
Change can often be unpallatable, we all like the comfort of what we know, but change is ineviatable in nearly everything we do, touch and get involved in, sometimes for the better sometimes for the worse, but as sure as eggs are eggs it is with us all.
I ain't trying to piss on peoples concerns, but thus far its been said that the existing membership is gonna be uneffected, sort of tuped over and thats fine by me and if the time comes that the place changes into something that I don't like, or into something I can't afford, then I will open that same door that I opened when I walked into the place...the one marked 'free' and gently shut it behind me.
Best of luck to the old owners and best of luck to the new.

Well said Dave!
On the issue regarding privicy etc etc.
We are governd by data protection, all details are confidential, and will not be used, sold or let out what so ever. You have my gaurntee on that.
With regards to popups, no, we will not be having any popups, at all, no more ads than there currently are on the site, thats not the way we do things.
And postie - no im afriad you cant ;p
Quote by Elliot
On the issue regarding privicy etc etc.
We are governd by data protection, all details are confidential, and will not be used, sold or let out what so ever. You have my gaurntee on that.
With regards to popups, no, we will not be having any popups, at all, no more ads than there currently are on the site, thats not the way we do things.
And postie - no im afriad you cant ;p

please try harder elliot, freckled bird is just gonna get miffed at ya.
:doh:......fuck it, thats two posts when you clearly told us only the one
....am I banned...am I?....am I?
Quote by davej
On the issue regarding privicy etc etc.
We are governd by data protection, all details are confidential, and will not be used, sold or let out what so ever. You have my gaurntee on that.
With regards to popups, no, we will not be having any popups, at all, no more ads than there currently are on the site, thats not the way we do things.
And postie - no im afriad you cant ;p

please try harder elliot, freckled bird is just gonna get miffed at ya.
:doh:......fuck it, thats two posts when you clearly told us only the one
....am I banned...am I?....am I?
davej ............ what would we do without you ? :giggle:
Sam xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
OPEN INVITE TO THE NEW OWNERS
I don't know how much you have seen of the forums as they stand but......
A lot of folks have made a big point about community and the way WE are.
I don'y know where you all live however heres the invite.......
Calista and I have arranged a get together of folks from the site tonight in Derby.
I openly invite any/all of you to come along and see/meet the kind of people you are going to be dealing with.
I know its very short notice, but that seems to be the theme of the day lol.
Morbius.
I have one thing to say to this and that is instead of membership fees and such cant u just run the site as it is with donations....and make them annon from whoever donates...i know afew sites like this and they are running fine......
Just dont get why u have decided to say it will remain free but honey were is the small print to prove this.......i just dont beleive u on this .....plus i cant afford any fees no matter when there introduced .......the reason i come here all the time is its free and the people are bloody great......
Just a thought confused
Quote by Morbius
OPEN INVITE TO THE NEW OWNERS
I don't know how much you have seen of the forums as they stand but......
A lot of folks have made a big point about community and the way WE are.
I don'y know where you all live however heres the invite.......
Calista and I have arranged a get together of folks from the site tonight in Derby.
I openly invite any/all of you to come along and see/meet the kind of people you are going to be dealing with.
I know its very short notice, but that seems to be the theme of the day lol.
Morbius.

Babe .......... this deserves to stay on the current page !
Great idea kiss
Sam xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Quote by davej
On the issue regarding privicy etc etc.
We are governd by data protection, all details are confidential, and will not be used, sold or let out what so ever. You have my gaurntee on that.
With regards to popups, no, we will not be having any popups, at all, no more ads than there currently are on the site, thats not the way we do things.
And postie - no im afriad you cant ;p

please try harder elliot, freckled bird is just gonna get miffed at ya.
:doh:......fuck it, thats two posts when you clearly told us only the one
....am I banned...am I?....am I?
He must have keyboard like mine, it insists on being dyslexic
Quote by Morbius
OPEN INVITE TO THE NEW OWNERS
I openly invite any/all of you to come along and see/meet the kind of people you are going to be dealing with.
I know its very short notice, but that seems to be the theme of the day lol.
Morbius.

I do think that is a very sensible suggestion... well done you!
Wibbly
xx
Quote by Ice Pie
9. Is the new owner aware that the people who work so hard to keep SH alive and free do so out of love for the Community and loyalty to the founder? How does the new owner propose to inherit that loyalty? Has the new owner broken bread with anyone here? Does the new owner even remotely know anyone here?
10. Who are you? What is the name of your company? Is it familiar to Watchdog viewers? Why the big secret?

This is the reason this site works so well.
I do believe that Mark will definitely NOT have taken this decision lightly.
Perhaps though it has started to take up far too much of his time, when he also has a business to maintain and a family to look after.
Mark has been here for us all - we should now support him in his decision.
To the new owners - maybe start canvassing the views of the membership - perhaps many are not interested in the 'premium' facilities especially if they are likely to be charged for - as there are well grounded free alternatives such as msn, , icQ, , paltalk! Charging for services involves passing over personal details including real names and addresses - I, for one, would not like to pass this information to a company owned swinging site (although I would trust Mark with that info).
You also need to assure us that you primarily have our interests at heart and will protect our identities.
For us members - we should not give a knee jerk reaction without more information and a bit of time to let things settle.
I am extremely sad (nay, devastated) to see Mark go - but the decision must have been a very very hard one for him to make. I feel honoured to have been a member whilst he was here - I wish him well.
There are some very clever people on here - some who are quite cabable of setting up a similar site if necessary, so if the site does change out of recognition, it is not beyond the realms of possibility that someone may do just that at some point in the future.
The deal seems to have been done - so there will be a period of adjustment - the owners to get to know the site and the membership and vice versa.
You never know - they may come to love us just as Mark did wink
From a very sad Alex
But I'm going to Derby tonight... that normally stops anyone going confused
As someone who has only been logging on to the forum and chatroom for a short few months, Maybe I shouldnt say anything, but to the previous owners I would like to say thanks for all the hard work you have put in in creating something unique and quite wonderful in a commercial world , your reward should be the opinions and sadness now being express by the regular users that the site has been sold and may change, for my part I hope that the community I have found here doesnt change.
To those who are worried that the site may change for the worse may i say give it a chance guys, we dont really have a lot of choice but to give the new people our support and if they are found unworthy of that, to perhaps move on and build our own site!
As I used to say to mrs. sexyluke, suck it and see!
Luke
xxxxx
Devils advocate question here:
If all the volunteer mods and ops stopped doing it and you couldn't replace them with other volunteers, would you have to charge for the existing site then?
Jas
XXX
Quote by Ice Pie
Our primary business is the sale of ringtones.

Congratulations. And that qualifies you to run our website how exactly? rolleyes
I have just a few questions (to begin with), mainly about your suitability to declare yourself fit to breeze in out of nowhere and put yourself in charge:
1. What interest does the new owner have in the SH Community?
2. Does the new owner know anything about or care anything about the SH Community?
3. Does the new owner expect the volunteer mods, ops, and other people working for the Community voluntarily behind the scenes to carry on doing so while a commercial concern benefits from that work?
4. How does the transfer of ownership to a commercial entity affect the Page One promise that Swinging Heaven will "NEVER" be a paysite?
5. Will the new owners expect to be paid royalties for the use of SH logos on Munch badges and tie pins, or will they regard it as free advertising?
6. How will the new owner, being apparently unfamiliar with the Community, know which group gatherings to sanction as site meets and which to regard as private parties?
7. Will the new owner respond to site-related communications addressed to the previous Administrator, or do I have to write the whole flucking lot out again?
8. To what extent has the previous Administrator's departure been influenced by the aggressive behaviour of certain members of a copycat/breakaway site, and how does the new owner propose to prevent further disruption from that source?
9. Is the new owner aware that the people who work so hard to keep SH alive and free do so out of love for the Community and loyalty to the founder? How does the new owner propose to inherit that loyalty? Has the new owner broken bread with anyone here? Does the new owner even remotely know anyone here?
10. Who are you? What is the name of your company? Is it familiar to Watchdog viewers? Why the big secret?
what ice said biggrin
Quote by Jas-Tim
Devils advocate question here:
If all the volunteer mods and ops stopped doing it and you couldn't replace them with other volunteers, would you have to charge for the existing site then?
Jas
XXX

I expect it would just "go to pot"
Quote by Elliot
Apologies to the questions i have missed, there are a lot, please post again if i missed them or was not clear enough.

Apology accepted, but I still need to know what you're doing about USC, Title 18, Section 2257? It's a rather critical issue for those of us who have sexually-explicit photos posted here.
Cheers,
~Reese