Was browsing the sports science section of ebay earlier today looking for some books for my latest course, and came across one called Knife Fighting: A practical course (tem number: ).
I have to admit to being a bit horrorfied that a book like this could be sold as a sports book! I know it is meant for martial arts, but with the number of knife attacks you hear about (and the police offering knife amnestys) I consider selling something like this on an open site like ebay irresponsible.
Am I being over "sensitive"? Is this just my dislike of anything violent? Or do you agree with me, that this book in the wrong hands could be dangerous?
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Knife Fighting: Martial Arts or just plainly dangerous?
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Orgasminator
To be honest, I really don't see a problem with books like this being available - there are people with a legitimate interest in practicing knife fighting techniques, whether they be in the military, martial artists, re-enactors, actors or live-action roleplayers. I admit that the marketing blurb of the eBay seller leaves a lot to be desired (I have a problem with advertising it for "self defence minded citizens" - surely they'd be better off with a book on an unarmed technique or techniques).
Anyone who simply wants to use a knife to threaten or hurt somebody is almost certainly quite capable of doing so whether they've read this book or not, one of the main reasons they're a weapon of choice for British thugs.
Anyone who simply wants to use a knife to threaten or hurt somebody is almost certainly quite capable of doing so whether they've read this book or not, one of the main reasons they're a weapon of choice for British thugs.
Sex God
I can see what your concern is and it depends on who gets the book i suppose.
in his younger days, my uncle used to be part of a martial arts display team, part of it using swords. many hours of training to perfect the display before the swords were brought out and it was rather impressive to watch. so i guess it could go either way to be positive or negative but not sure if it shouldn't be available
in his younger days, my uncle used to be part of a martial arts display team, part of it using swords. many hours of training to perfect the display before the swords were brought out and it was rather impressive to watch. so i guess it could go either way to be positive or negative but not sure if it shouldn't be available
There is a huge amount of stuff like this on the internet. There is a site called something like 'the armchair anarchist'. I visited it sometime ago and learnt how to make napalm at home!!!!
With the internet available it is very hard to keep control of any information. Basically we have let the genie out of the bottle and it won't go back in.
On a more humourous note
I do a tai chi, not combative form just for health, the club is mainly made of older women and people with health problems. I have learnt a Sword sequence, which is non-contact. I have a collaspable aluminium sword which is blunt ans the main risk is pinching your fingers when you close the sword down. Our club at one time shared a building with a group of ninjas (honest). One Saturday morning a man came in blood pouring from his hand and asked if he could use our first aid box as he had cut himself on his sword. We of course, being sensible people had a kit which we gace him but I do wonder why he was practising which a sharp blade without first aid stuff. Mind you the next week they locked themselves out of the hall and had to use our key.
If you didn't know ninjas are assassins, this group were foiled by a locked door :D :D
With the internet available it is very hard to keep control of any information. Basically we have let the genie out of the bottle and it won't go back in.
On a more humourous note
I do a tai chi, not combative form just for health, the club is mainly made of older women and people with health problems. I have learnt a Sword sequence, which is non-contact. I have a collaspable aluminium sword which is blunt ans the main risk is pinching your fingers when you close the sword down. Our club at one time shared a building with a group of ninjas (honest). One Saturday morning a man came in blood pouring from his hand and asked if he could use our first aid box as he had cut himself on his sword. We of course, being sensible people had a kit which we gace him but I do wonder why he was practising which a sharp blade without first aid stuff. Mind you the next week they locked themselves out of the hall and had to use our key.If you didn't know ninjas are assassins, this group were foiled by a locked door :D :D
I'm all for training in self defense with qualified instructors but DIY martial arts, with or without weapons is a bit scary. :shock:
Any form of martial art could be dangerous in the wrong hands. I mean, there's winchwench for a start....................
It's ok, I can run very very VERY fast!
Any form of martial art could be dangerous in the wrong hands. I mean, there's winchwench for a start....................
It's ok, I can run very very VERY fast!
Sexpert
I'd say the chances of a: A thug purchasing such a book with the aim of personal improvement and b: Actually understanding the energies and techniques involved without an experienced eye overseeing - are both pretty minimal, I would tend not to worry ;)
Sex God
I do hope they include the warning thats appearing on the covers of some books these days to take care when turning the pages as paper can cut.
Sexpert
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I do hope they include the warning thats appearing on the covers of some books these days to take care when turning the pages as paper can cut.
Sex God
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I do hope they include the warning thats appearing on the covers of some books these days to take care when turning the pages as paper can cut.
Did no one ever tell you Origami isn't a martial art?
i alway thought that things like origami an bonsi (the one with the small trees) where martial arts all be it non violent ??
am i wrong???
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I'm all for training in self defense with qualified instructors but DIY martial arts, with or without weapons is a bit scary. :shock:
Any form of martial art could be dangerous in the wrong hands. I mean, there's winchwench for a start....................
It's ok, I can run very very VERY fast!
I can do a flying side kick, very very far!
Sexpert
Sorry Sercher, but yes - you would be wrong. As with any Japenese art form, a lot of the tenets and philosophies surrounding the arts are the same (the "do"), but neither of those are martial (of war).
Sex God
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Sorry Sercher, but yes - you would be wrong. As with any Japenese art form, a lot of the tenets and philosophies surrounding the arts are the same (the "do"), but neither of those are martial (of war).
oh! right!
you learn somthin new every day thanks steve m8
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I'm all for training in self defense with qualified instructors but DIY martial arts, with or without weapons is a bit scary. :shock:
Any form of martial art could be dangerous in the wrong hands. I mean, there's winchwench for a start....................
It's ok, I can run very very VERY fast!
I can do a flying side kick, very very far!
Ok, but you gotta catch me first :twisted:
this is a very interesting topic....... ( anorak time)
im not sure if the book can do any harm............ only good in my opinion......... it will teach those who study it how to be skilled in an art... osetnsibly of self defence............im sure it doesnt give instruction on the reader using knives against un armed opponents... so i presuming that it is based around self defence.
there used to be a saying that one shouldnt pick up a weapon unless one was prepared to use it... and wasnt going to end up having it used upon yourself...... so only an idiot is gonna end up pullin a blade on someone... as they might end up messing with the wrong person.
i know from RL that alot of people arm themselves because theres people out there who are prepared to be armed and go looking for trouble...posssibly a vicious circle... but i reckon thats the way things are.
the first section will, i presume teach you how to stay out of the way.....possibly move on to teach you how to disarm an armed opponent..... and ultimately give you a guide to armed combat.
no imagine that one of the reasons alot of innocenct people end up getting cut and even worse..... because untrained or semi trained are wielding anything from a breadknife to a machete over things as trivial as banging a trolley into anither shopper then id think having a little training yourself will help u stand a chance of sticking the fecker up his arse if he attacks you without provocation.............
i know its a little harsh.... but one has to meet fire with fire in these situations....... and knowledge is power........
people have been learning these things in dojos around the world .... to stay alive in an ever dangerous world..... and the internet is helping make this knowledge available.......
im not sure if the book can do any harm............ only good in my opinion......... it will teach those who study it how to be skilled in an art... osetnsibly of self defence............im sure it doesnt give instruction on the reader using knives against un armed opponents... so i presuming that it is based around self defence.
there used to be a saying that one shouldnt pick up a weapon unless one was prepared to use it... and wasnt going to end up having it used upon yourself...... so only an idiot is gonna end up pullin a blade on someone... as they might end up messing with the wrong person.
i know from RL that alot of people arm themselves because theres people out there who are prepared to be armed and go looking for trouble...posssibly a vicious circle... but i reckon thats the way things are.
the first section will, i presume teach you how to stay out of the way.....possibly move on to teach you how to disarm an armed opponent..... and ultimately give you a guide to armed combat.
no imagine that one of the reasons alot of innocenct people end up getting cut and even worse..... because untrained or semi trained are wielding anything from a breadknife to a machete over things as trivial as banging a trolley into anither shopper then id think having a little training yourself will help u stand a chance of sticking the fecker up his arse if he attacks you without provocation.............
i know its a little harsh.... but one has to meet fire with fire in these situations....... and knowledge is power........
people have been learning these things in dojos around the world .... to stay alive in an ever dangerous world..... and the internet is helping make this knowledge available.......
Knife fighting is not a martial art (or is it someone correct me if it is) But it seems martial arts has been bought into it
The form of martial arts i did used weapons in order to learn how to disarm rather than to use the weapon as a defence aid (or offence).
I think books on this can never be a substitute for learning from experianced people and who ever buys this book with out proper practical training could cause himself more harm than anyone else.
I was taught martial arts is for self defence and discipline and in my instance though i only got to a yellow belt it has helped in that way as i have had the disciplin to keep away from trouble and have never had to try and use it. Learning out of books will not teach this discipline. Books should be used as a back up to practical training and for historical knowledge
But as has been said its not guranteed the the final buyer will buy with the intent of seeking discipline and self defence. But that can be said of lots of things. Also thes books can be bought in any specialist shop in town
The form of martial arts i did used weapons in order to learn how to disarm rather than to use the weapon as a defence aid (or offence).
I think books on this can never be a substitute for learning from experianced people and who ever buys this book with out proper practical training could cause himself more harm than anyone else.
I was taught martial arts is for self defence and discipline and in my instance though i only got to a yellow belt it has helped in that way as i have had the disciplin to keep away from trouble and have never had to try and use it. Learning out of books will not teach this discipline. Books should be used as a back up to practical training and for historical knowledge
But as has been said its not guranteed the the final buyer will buy with the intent of seeking discipline and self defence. But that can be said of lots of things. Also thes books can be bought in any specialist shop in town
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this is a very interesting topic....... ( anorak time)
im not sure if the book can do any harm............ only good in my opinion......... it will teach those who study it how to be skilled in an art... osetnsibly of self defence............im sure it doesnt give instruction on the reader using knives against un armed opponents... so i presuming that it is based around self defence.
there used to be a saying that one shouldnt pick up a weapon unless one was prepared to use it... and wasnt going to end up having it used upon yourself...... so only an idiot is gonna end up pullin a blade on someone... as they might end up messing with the wrong person.
i know from RL that alot of people arm themselves because theres people out there who are prepared to be armed and go looking for trouble...posssibly a vicious circle... but i reckon thats the way things are.
the first section will, i presume teach you how to stay out of the way.....possibly move on to teach you how to disarm an armed opponent..... and ultimately give you a guide to armed combat.
no imagine that one of the reasons alot of innocenct people end up getting cut and even worse..... because untrained or semi trained are wielding anything from a breadknife to a machete over things as trivial as banging a trolley into anither shopper then id think having a little training yourself will help u stand a chance of sticking the fecker up his arse if he attacks you without provocation.............
i know its a little harsh.... but one has to meet fire with fire in these situations....... and knowledge is power........
people have been learning these things in dojos around the world .... to stay alive in an ever dangerous world..... and the internet is helping make this knowledge available.......
Ever been hit around the head with "war & peace?"
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this is a very interesting topic....... ( anorak time)
im not sure if the book can do any harm............ only good in my opinion......... it will teach those who study it how to be skilled in an art... osetnsibly of self defence............im sure it doesnt give instruction on the reader using knives against un armed opponents... so i presuming that it is based around self defence.
there used to be a saying that one shouldnt pick up a weapon unless one was prepared to use it... and wasnt going to end up having it used upon yourself...... so only an idiot is gonna end up pullin a blade on someone... as they might end up messing with the wrong person.
i know from RL that alot of people arm themselves because theres people out there who are prepared to be armed and go looking for trouble...posssibly a vicious circle... but i reckon thats the way things are.
the first section will, i presume teach you how to stay out of the way.....possibly move on to teach you how to disarm an armed opponent..... and ultimately give you a guide to armed combat.
no imagine that one of the reasons alot of innocenct people end up getting cut and even worse..... because untrained or semi trained are wielding anything from a breadknife to a machete over things as trivial as banging a trolley into anither shopper then id think having a little training yourself will help u stand a chance of sticking the fecker up his arse if he attacks you without provocation.............
i know its a little harsh.... but one has to meet fire with fire in these situations....... and knowledge is power........
people have been learning these things in dojos around the world .... to stay alive in an ever dangerous world..... and the internet is helping make this knowledge available.......
Ever been hit around the head with "war & peace?"
no.......
ive done a course on fiction to fiction combat.....
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Sorry Sercher, but yes - you would be wrong. As with any Japenese art form, a lot of the tenets and philosophies surrounding the arts are the same (the "do"), but neither of those are martial (of war).
Not that any thug has any do other that will I get hurt if I attack that victim.
On the subject of what is martial arts? It is the way to win conflicts. Self discipline and control is needed. Any martial art studied as a 'do' teaches the subject as part of all life. That is to say, 'How to live one's life' The discipline learned in the hall infuses one entire existence.
Books tend to teach only how to use the weapon, and nothing to do with 'do', the way.
Books tend to teach only how to use the weapon, and nothing to do with 'do', the way.
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On the subject of what is martial arts? It is the way to win conflicts. Self discipline and control is needed. Any martial art studied as a 'do' teaches the subject as part of all life. That is to say, 'How to live one's life' The discipline learned in the hall infuses one entire existence.
Books tend to teach only how to use the weapon, and nothing to do with 'do', the way.
:thumbup:
Sexpert
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Knife fighting is not a martial art (or is it someone correct me if it is)
Can do ;)
As well as being a principle close quarter weapon in almost all warfare (making the expert use of it a de facto martial art), knife-fighting is practiced in many "older" martial arts, inluding , Krabi Krabong and even some Ju Jitsu styles.
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Knife fighting is not a martial art (or is it someone correct me if it is)
Can do ;)
As well as being a principle close quarter weapon in almost all warfare (making the expert use of it a de facto martial art), knife-fighting is practiced in many "older" martial arts, inluding , Krabi Krabong and even some Ju Jitsu styles.
Im sorry but it sounds like an STD!
Sexpert
... slip of the fingers ;)
Naah, it is (along with Muay Bhorat) an ancestor of Muay Thai (Thai Boxing)..incorporating the grappling (outside clinchwork) and weapons aspects.
Some forms seem to teach weapons for offensive use, I know in Aikido we use wooden weapons purely for help with ballence, control, and reactions. We also learn to disarm with them.
However end of the day a book on knife techniques on open sale, yes I have a problem with it. Thugs are dangerous with a knife, show em how to avoid blocks and where to stab to kill and they are even more dangerous. I know this stuff is out there on the net and you cant legislate against the madman, but you can be nervous about people who want this sort of book...
However end of the day a book on knife techniques on open sale, yes I have a problem with it. Thugs are dangerous with a knife, show em how to avoid blocks and where to stab to kill and they are even more dangerous. I know this stuff is out there on the net and you cant legislate against the madman, but you can be nervous about people who want this sort of book...
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Knife fighting is not a martial art (or is it someone correct me if it is)
Can do ;)
As well as being a principle close quarter weapon in almost all warfare (making the expert use of it a de facto martial art), knife-fighting is practiced in many "older" martial arts, inluding , Krabi Krabong and even some Ju Jitsu styles.
Ta Steve wasnt 100%
