Join the most popular community of UK swingers now
Login

Manners

last reply
44 replies
2.5k views
0 watchers
0 likes
As I get older. I'm nearly 29ish. I find that manners, consideration and politeness more and more important, As a younger person I seemed to be less acutely aware of the ways in which we write or come across on paper or on the T.V and in life in general. As i get a few years under my belt I seem to notice bad manners and discourtesy more.
I find that, and respect to a 'nice' guy for this. Thoughtfulness can turn a conversation or a piece of writing or indeed a post in forum and the such like. from what would come across as abrasive and abrupt unintentionally into something that is quite different in approach possibly? The ability of this language of ours to interpret sentiment is really good.
I know i've written on this topic before somwhere and i unfortunately like to reiterate on occasion. it's a failing I have.
I think any person is capable of making things polite and conveying in general what they want to, in a polite and generally positive encouraging way. And this forum, for example, is testament to such abilities. Good to see nice people being nice i think.
On occasion where I may of upset one or two people with the way i've said or put something I hate it. When I do I feel it's a personal failure to me. Total thoughtlessness on my part. But in general I try to be polite.
Rambling i know. I'm sure we all like being here and wish one another the best. So surely its ok to put down a ramble at this time of day. Hey and if you've read this far congratulations your stamina is above and beyond the call of duty biggrin
Oh. yes i would like to say that it's mostly great in forum at the moment lots of new posters mixing it with the olde ones :thumbup: mourn the loss of some of the older posters. Hope they're doing well wherever they are.
I'm with you on this. I hate rudeness. One of my pet hates is when you stop to allow a driver past and they completely blank you evil It's only a little thing but a quick gesture wouldn't go amiss.
I hate complete and in your face short tempered rudeness, for example a few weeks back I was in our local supermarket and you have to go round this stupid moving door thing to get out. A man was muttering at how slow an elderly woman was and started to shove into her.. I was outraged mad so me being me ... I gave him a little surprise with my trolley wheels on his ankles!
He wasn't amused, what a shame. wink
Quote by jaymar
a few weeks back I was in our local supermarket and you have to go round this stupid moving door thing to get out. A man was muttering at how slow an elderly woman was and started to shove into her.. I was outraged mad so me being me ... I gave him a little surprise with my trolley wheels on his ankles!

Sort of thing I would do myself biggrin
I can't stand rudeness either but if people are rude to me or my friends then they get back exactly what they dished out!
well done to you jaymar, we have i think lost the basics of common curtesy in this country..and this is a root cause of a lot of the problems of crime and dare i say it integration of ethnic communities ( who on the whole i find to be better mannered than the rest of us injuns).. i always give up my seat on the bus or train to women ( yes i no chauvinist) and especially the elderly, i always greet people with good morning or hello including complete strangers ( which sadly my children find horrifying).
i do strongly believe that manners maketh man /woman
Thank you to you both, yes I admit I'm terrible about sticking up for elderly and infirm people. It infuriates me because these people will be relying on assistance themselves one day.
Quote by robhambledon
well done to you jaymar, we have i think lost the basics of common curtesy in this country..

you might be right there... it does seem like it sometimes.
Quote by robhambledon
and this is a root cause of a lot of the problems of crime and dare i say it integration of ethnic communities ( who on the whole i find to be better mannered than the rest of us injuns)....

very sweeping, but you might also be right again. LACK OF RESPECT is where i believe it starts. the rudeness or worse follows thereafter
Quote by robhambledon
i always give up my seat on the bus or train to women ( yes i no chauvinist)

i used to always do this, together with opening doors... especially car doors... but i once got chatsised by a feminist for doing it so im more frugal these days with such gestures. the last few times i have travelled on the tube in London though i thought "no way im losing this seat" though. mainly because hardly anyone else does it...which , upon reflection, is a little harsh.
Quote by robhambledon
and especially the elderly,

they deserve even more respect and help.....
Quote by robhambledon
i always greet people with good morning or hello including complete strangers ( which sadly my children find horrifying)...

me stumps alot of people you greet though, they are sometimes horrified that a stranger has let onto them...to the point of being scared in-fact. i still do it though because i happen to be nice and friendly..... and i find it helps me to get things from people in business on occasion.
Quote by robhambledon
i do strongly believe that manners maketh man /woman

this was one of my teachers regular sayings.... but then again he was an obnoxious bully.
i think it stems from what we see, hear and learn as children. if we were taught to think these things were important, they last a lifetime. if one was dragged up like a piece of shit, by ignorant pieces of shit.... one generally becomes a piece of ignorant shit.
teach it more in school i say..........
You know what really annoys me.... Is when the old age pensioners slag off the youth of today for manners!!!! mad
Last week i was in tesco... and a old man... poss in his 80's... walked straight into my 10 yr old daughter :x :x :x :x :x And that was to get past her. Now, had he of just said "Excuse me" she would of obliged to let the man past as she DOES know her manners!!!!
About 6 yrs ago in the same store, i was caught up by a lady who complimented me on my daughters manners and she was only 4 yrs old then. biggrin
I work for a large retail company and you would not believe the amount of pensioners do not know how to say "thank you".
Oh my goodness this is something very close to my heart. I was actually having a bit of a bitch about basic manners earlier.
I am amazed, when you eat out, how many people lack basic table manners. Eat off their knives, chew with their mouth open, ram huge amounts of food into their mouths etc. Ok call me old fashioned..........I was always taught bring your food to your mouth, not your mouth to the food............Oh I could go on all day.............but I wont.
Suffice it to say that when I meet someone for fun, its sometimes something to do with manners that may put me off taking things further. Yes I know Im picky, but thats just me. Oh those Nuns at my catholic school have so much to answer for.........lol
Quote by DeeCee
teach it more in school i say..........

Manners are a HUGE deal to me. But then I was brought up by my parents to be well mannered. This is the key. Yes, you can reinforce manners at school, but teachers cannot surely be held responsible for someone's manners or lack thereof? I think if you are brought up in an environment where manners are valued from day one, then you have a far greater chance of them becoming a priority in your life... I do however also think that schools and society itself play a part in valuing manners and reinforcing this standard of behaviour - so am not just saying is all down to parents. I do however think what happens in your early years and home background are key.
Nola x
Quote by Lilmiss
you would not believe the amount of pensioners do not know how to say "thank you".

as Rik once exclaimed in "The Young Ones"......
i think old people should be shot at birth
i would have to agree with pretty much everything on this thread - but the one thing i will add, does anyone else think the basic lackk of manners/respect by companies/organisations is getting worse? certainly seems that way to me sad
Good topic Mr L, the saying "manners maketh the man" is more true today than ever before with what appears to be a general malaise in this country when it comes to basic civil decency and behaviour.
You only have to look around you at the way the parents of some children behave to understand why their offspring can be so obnoxious. The way the media glorify the antics of so-called celebrities is another facet to this general downturn in our nation's manners.
It costs nothing to say please and thank you but so many people don't or just can't be bothered. If we all made just that little bit more effort to do it once a day then Britain would be a happier place to live.
Quote by robhambledon
well done to you jaymar, we have i think lost the basics of common curtesy in this country..and this is a root cause of a lot of the problems of crime and dare i say it integration of ethnic communities ( who on the whole i find to be better mannered than the rest of us injuns).. i always give up my seat on the bus or train to women ( yes i no chauvinist) and especially the elderly, i always greet people with good morning or hello including complete strangers ( which sadly my children find horrifying).
i do strongly believe that manners maketh man
/woman

Hmm. I think bad manners are across the board sadly- and that statement is just too sweeping........
Yesterday, Mr W and I went out to lunch. Not the Hilton, but we were passing our local Oriental-get-fat quick (all you can eat) place, so we stopped off.
A short while later, two guys came in. One of them started wandering round between the tables making a business call ON SPEAKERPHONE!! mad Three more calls later, we moved to a different section of the restaurant. He was Indian.
In contrast, the place is run by Nepalese. There was a big influx of Nepalese folk into the area when a Gurkha regiment came to town. I can say with hand on heart that as a "people" they are the most polite, respectful bunch I've ever met. I've never met a single person from the area who hasn't made a good impression on me.
However. We we're talking about manners on the whole yesterday, using shop workers as an example.
How many times are you being served by someone who doesn't even acknowledge you're there- because they're busy chatting to their mates? evil
A few years ago, the thought of hearing a member of staff in Woolies or Tesco swearing would have been unthinkable, now it's a daily occurrence. :evil:
I'm proud to say that my lot do have good manners, and have been known to put many older people to shame.
As me mam used to say manners cost u nothing>>> but could save u from getting stabbed :shock: if u have em innocent poke
Quote by noladreams30

teach it more in school i say..........

Manners are a HUGE deal to me. But then I was brought up by my parents to be well mannered. This is the key. Yes, you can reinforce manners at school, but teachers cannot surely be held responsible for someone's manners or lack thereof? I think if you are brought up in an environment where manners are valued from day one, then you have a far greater chance of them becoming a priority in your life... I do however also think that schools and society itself play a part in valuing manners and reinforcing this standard of behaviour - so am not just saying is all down to parents. I do however think what happens in your early years and home background are key.
Nola x
Of course I tatally agree with theses sentiments as regarding home and formative years. Although i do think schools, as really from the age of 4 (3 in somecaeses) deal with the child for more waking hours than the homes do. Should have a more than just reinforcing of such things.
I quizzed my kids as to what happens when they start their day in class. To be honest it wasn't the easiest of questions in the end lol but there is no good morning class said by the teacher and no answer of good morning Miss/Mr chorused in reply. Manners should be part of the syllabus as anything else I think. It should be requisite not optional.
Quote by winchwench
Yesterday, Mr W and I went out to lunch. Not the Hilton, but we were passing our local Oriental-get-fat quick (all you can eat) place, so we stopped off.
A short while later, two guys came in. One of them started wandering round between the tables making a business call ON SPEAKERPHONE!! mad Three more calls later, we moved to a different section of the restaurant.

Yes this is another bug bear of mine, mobile usage in public places esp. eating places. I was at my hairdressers the other day and a woman's phone continually rang but instead of turning it off she kept answering causing the woman cutting her hair to stop and wait. The rude woman actually continued her conversation for a few minutes. This happened a further 3 times. It was business but I guess if you are sitting having your hair done you are simply not at work! rolleyes
Quote by noladreams30

teach it more in school i say..........

Manners are a HUGE deal to me. But then I was brought up by my parents to be well mannered. This is the key. Yes, you can reinforce manners at school, but teachers cannot surely be held responsible for someone's manners or lack thereof? I think if you are brought up in an environment where manners are valued from day one, then you have a far greater chance of them becoming a priority in your life... I do however also think that schools and society itself play a part in valuing manners and reinforcing this standard of behaviour - so am not just saying is all down to parents. I do however think what happens in your early years and home background are key.
Nola x
Agreed :thumbup:
So, I also agree with this:
Quote by Sara_2006
i blame the parents
bolt

Whereas this:
Quote by Lost

Of course I tatally agree with theses sentiments as regarding home and formative years. Although i do think schools, as really from the age of 4 (3 in somecaeses) deal with the child for more waking hours than the homes do. Should have a more than just reinforcing of such things.
I quizzed my kids as to what happens when they start their day in class. To be honest it wasn't the easiest of questions in the end lol but there is no good morning class said by the teacher and no answer of good morning Miss/Mr chorused in reply. Manners should be part of the syllabus as anything else I think. It should be requisite not optional.

is just passing the buck. Just because we might see them for more hours a day, does not mean we have more influence.
Manners should be requisite wherever people are, not just in school. They should be modelled and thereby taught by all people, in order to teach children what exactly manners are.
I do not say a general 'good morning' to my class and expect a chorus of 'good morning' in reply. I do, however, say good morning to each one as I say their name to complete the register. Maybe your child's teacher does the same.
I expect the children in my class to have and to use good manners, so they do. Whether the same children demonstrate the same skills at home is arguable.
Quote by winchwench
How many times are you being served by someone who doesn't even acknowledge you're there- because they're busy chatting to their mates? evil

or texting? I hate that. It's good when they under-charge you though 'cos they're too busy catching up on the weekend. lol
I generally find, as a member of the public and someone who has worked with the public, the worst offenders for bad manners are the elderly and teens. Both groups seem to think the world owes them something. rolleyes
Manner is....
Going to a chinese restaurant... sitting down... they give you a basket of prawn crackers... and a menu... You decide to not order... but ask.. "can we take the crackers.. plz"!!!!
lol
Not that i would know innocent
Ask Marya!!
:lol:
Quote by Lilmiss
Manner is....
Going to a chinese restaurant... sitting down... they give you a basket of prawn crackers... and a menu... You decide to not order... but ask.. "can we take the crackers.. plz"!!!!
lol
Not that i would know innocent
Ask Marya!!
:lol:

Oooooooooh! redface
Actually I don't think we even asked did we??? :lol:
regardless, this is yours - smackbottom
Quote by Marya_Northeast
Manner is....
Going to a chinese restaurant... sitting down... they give you a basket of prawn crackers... and a menu... You decide to not order... but ask.. "can we take the crackers.. plz"!!!!
lol
Not that i would know innocent
Ask Marya!!
:lol:

Oooooooooh! redface
Actually I don't think we even asked did we??? :lol:
regardless, this is yours - smackbottom
banghead DAMN! I never thought of that! I've just been round to our chinese to get some prawn crackers because it was the only item I didn't have in for tea... and I PAID for them!!!
Sod my lack of manners!!!
Politeness is all well and good when applied to people and situations that are condusive to it. Its nice to see it done well, and one can always learn to get better at it.
But there are occasions where politeness just doesn't get results. This does not mean having to be rude, but accepting that in some cases being direct and conveying your true feelings are necessary to get the message across.
For example; this often occurs when we have a good reason to make a complaint and are able to focus on getting the details right and conveying them with the right tone of voice.
Again with manners they work best when the other person knows how to reciprocate. Good manners can be wasted on an uncouth lout, who has no desire to engage in such behaviour, probably because they have never been taught or needed to use it.
I think one of the classic examples of good manners is the doorway, yielding and offering process. This requires someone to either give way or hold the door open. Now I often find that people hesitate and it looks as if someone could do the honorable thing. But no, regardless of the circumstances, we choose to ignore one another and attempt to squeeze through the doorway in opposite directions, holding our heads aloof and with teeth clenched. Not very dignified, and a sad loss to one of the basic elements of courtesy.
Quote by winchwench
However. We we're talking about manners on the whole yesterday, using shop workers as an example.
How many times are you being served by someone who doesn't even acknowledge you're there- because they're busy chatting to their mates?

This is one that really annoys me, and I'm quite prepared to say so to them! It's a management thing really ... the company isn't aware or doesn't care!
I think bus drivers do a fantastic job, very stressful, and I always try to say thanks when I get off.
Also.. as we're talking about manners and politeness... dare I mention DOCTOR'S RECEPTIONISTS??
Or will I be blasted?
Sorry but my experiences of them are very very unsavoury. evil
Quote by jaymar
Also.. as we're talking about manners and politeness... dare I mention DOCTOR'S RECEPTIONISTS??
Or will I be blasted?
Sorry but my experiences of them are very very unsavoury. evil

I've not encountered a polite one yet. confused
Quote by jaymar
Also.. as we're talking about manners and politeness... dare I mention DOCTOR'S RECEPTIONISTS??
Or will I be blasted?
Sorry but my experiences of them are very very unsavoury. evil

Don't get me started- they seem to think they're guardians to some special gateway, and should be privy to all your medical information.
"Good morning, I need to make an appointment Please"
"Whats the matter with you?"
FFS- go away! rolleyes
manners cost nothing but i have seen quite a few incidences lately that the elderly have little or none and some youngsters are very polite,
Getting a bus a few weeks ago with son (it was school leaving time so full of teenagers) 2 lads got up and offered me and son the seat without a second thought very polite well mannered teens
going back about a month i was in the bank paying some bills when a elderly man being served by another clerk started shouting, He wanted to take a large sum of money from the account and didnt have any id. He got more and more angry at the fact he could not have his money eventually trying to break the glass screen with his walking stick . i was scared but cant imagine how the clerks must of felt it ended in the man being taken away by police the clerks had been nothing but polite to him explaining rules was rules he retaliated by shouting and swearing and getting violent :shock:
about 6 months ago in doctors surgery an elderly woman came in went to reception no one took any notice until the women replyed to the receptionist "the doctor better be english i cant see no ****** doctor" receptionist then went on to explain that there was only 1 doctor on that day and yes she was indeed coloured (the waiting room was also mixed race) the womans rant went on and was very racial and on infront of all waiting and the receptionist trying her best not to say something wrong only to calm to woman down, the woman left without seeing a doctor but i couldnt help thinking at the time if the woman had been anything other than the age she was, she would have been escorted from the building by police and had to find herself another doctors.
i in general am always polite to everyone but have lately found the elderly to be more ill mannered than any other age group
Quote by Freckledbird

teach it more in school i say..........

Manners are a HUGE deal to me. But then I was brought up by my parents to be well mannered. This is the key. Yes, you can reinforce manners at school, but teachers cannot surely be held responsible for someone's manners or lack thereof? I think if you are brought up in an environment where manners are valued from day one, then you have a far greater chance of them becoming a priority in your life... I do however also think that schools and society itself play a part in valuing manners and reinforcing this standard of behaviour - so am not just saying is all down to parents. I do however think what happens in your early years and home background are key.
Nola x
Agreed :thumbup:
So, I also agree with this:
Quote by Sara_2006
i blame the parents
bolt

Whereas this:
Quote by Lost

Of course I tatally agree with theses sentiments as regarding home and formative years. Although i do think schools, as really from the age of 4 (3 in somecaeses) deal with the child for more waking hours than the homes do. Should have a more than just reinforcing of such things.
I quizzed my kids as to what happens when they start their day in class. To be honest it wasn't the easiest of questions in the end lol but there is no good morning class said by the teacher and no answer of good morning Miss/Mr chorused in reply. Manners should be part of the syllabus as anything else I think. It should be requisite not optional.

is just passing the buck. Just because we might see them for more hours a day, does not mean we have more influence.
Manners should be requisite wherever people are, not just in school. They should be modelled and thereby taught by all people, in order to teach children what exactly manners are.
I do not say a general 'good morning' to my class and expect a chorus of 'good morning' in reply. I do, however, say good morning to each one as I say their name to complete the register. Maybe your child's teacher does the same.
I expect the children in my class to have and to use good manners, so they do. Whether the same children demonstrate the same skills at home is arguable.
That is such a true comment Freckle. You only have to look at some of the parents out there, to understand why there are such rude children. It sticks out like a sore thumb nowadays when a child or especially a teenager is polite and well mannered.
A basic please and thankyou is alien to a lot of younsters, and mrs777's children who are 15 and 14, are often praised for their manners and politeness, by their friends parents. My saying has proved to be so accurate a lot of the times which is " wanker kids nearly always come from wanker parents " ! Schools do teach basic manners as a matter of course, but parents do not feel the need for it when they are at home. Not saying all children are rude, but try standing at a bus stop when schools come out to see the rudeness. Just my opinion though. :lol: :lol:
Quote by kentswingers777

teach it more in school i say..........

Manners are a HUGE deal to me. But then I was brought up by my parents to be well mannered. This is the key. Yes, you can reinforce manners at school, but teachers cannot surely be held responsible for someone's manners or lack thereof? I think if you are brought up in an environment where manners are valued from day one, then you have a far greater chance of them becoming a priority in your life... I do however also think that schools and society itself play a part in valuing manners and reinforcing this standard of behaviour - so am not just saying is all down to parents. I do however think what happens in your early years and home background are key.
Nola x
Agreed :thumbup:
So, I also agree with this:
Quote by Sara_2006
i blame the parents
bolt

Whereas this:
Quote by Lost

Of course I tatally agree with theses sentiments as regarding home and formative years. Although i do think schools, as really from the age of 4 (3 in somecaeses) deal with the child for more waking hours than the homes do. Should have a more than just reinforcing of such things.
I quizzed my kids as to what happens when they start their day in class. To be honest it wasn't the easiest of questions in the end lol but there is no good morning class said by the teacher and no answer of good morning Miss/Mr chorused in reply. Manners should be part of the syllabus as anything else I think. It should be requisite not optional.

is just passing the buck. Just because we might see them for more hours a day, does not mean we have more influence.
Manners should be requisite wherever people are, not just in school. They should be modelled and thereby taught by all people, in order to teach children what exactly manners are.
I do not say a general 'good morning' to my class and expect a chorus of 'good morning' in reply. I do, however, say good morning to each one as I say their name to complete the register. Maybe your child's teacher does the same.
I expect the children in my class to have and to use good manners, so they do. Whether the same children demonstrate the same skills at home is arguable.
That is such a true comment Freckle. You only have to look at some of the parents out there, to understand why there are such rude children. It sticks out like a sore thumb nowadays when a child or especially a teenager is polite and well mannered.
A basic please and thankyou is alien to a lot of younsters, and mrs777's children who are 15 and 14, are often praised for their manners and politeness, by their friends parents. My saying has proved to be so accurate a lot of the times which is " wanker kids nearly always come from wanker parents " ! Schools do teach basic manners as a matter of course, but parents do not feel the need for it when they are at home. Not saying all children are rude, but try standing at a bus stop when schools come out to see the rudeness. Just my opinion though. :lol: :lol:
I would just like to make it plain that i can't see where I passed the buck here Freckledbird. I also happen to think that it should be compulsory for people who work at a checkout or indeed as a G.p's receptionist to show and be trained in good mannere.
On the point of my childs school day start. It transpires that the register is taken whereby al the childrens names are called out one by one to which each child whenj called answers " here Mr *******" and then gives a number from one to ten. This is apparently a grading for how the child is feeling at the start of the day. My other child they are twins in the school. Has a teacher who says good morning to each child then has a time when they all say good morning and shake each others hands within the class( I like the idea of this too).
Far be it for me dimninish the teachers or their roles in my childrens lives. I think they do a monumental task, in sometimes very difficult circumstances having their hands tied it seems to me more and more. If however I see something that i feel i need explaining to me I am not shy in asking.
I'm very pro teachers. though i'm not against saying that they should I think, work an 8/9-5 5 day week for example with a six weeks holidays like other professions. But thats an old arguement, and if I were a teacher I would do my utmost to protect the hours i work.
No way ever would I pass the buck I want the whole package for my kids from me being a good fair parent to the teachers being the best for them too.