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hi,
any legal eagles out there?
a friend of mine who works for the local authority was in a works vehicle and stopped at traffic lights and using his phone.
He was subsequently flagged down by a traffic officer, admitted briefly using his phone,and exchanged a few words with the officer who is known to have a bit of an attitude.
He was then reported for using his phone and the officer even went to see my friends manager to tell him of the incident.
This officer even disclosed information regarding a fatal road accident to my friend, this information is not public knowledge, and pending inquest.
Ive surfed the net, and understand that he shouldnt have used his phone, but are there any stated cases and avenues for non prosecution.
cheers
steve biggrin
please stick to the issue in hand, and we can debate the morality of using your mobile another time!
Usually it will end in prosecution...
Only way it wont is if the Officer in question does not procede with the offense..
Quote by steve-j
hi,
any legal eagles out there?
a friend of mine who works for the local authority was in a works vehicle and stopped at traffic lights and using his phone.
He was subsequently flagged down by a traffic officer, admitted briefly using his phone,and exchanged a few words with the officer who is known to have a bit of an attitude.
He was then reported for using his phone and the officer even went to see my friends manager to tell him of the incident.
This officer even disclosed information regarding a fatal road accident to my friend, this information is not public knowledge, and pending inquest.
Ive surfed the net, and understand that he shouldnt have used his phone, but are there any stated cases and avenues for non prosecution.
cheers
steve biggrin
please stick to the issue in hand, and we can debate the morality of using your mobile another time!

Why would there be cases and avenues of non-prosecution? He shouldn't have been using his 'phone, so he should be prosecuted. The disclosure of unrelated (?) information is irrelevant. Unless the fatal accident was due to him driving whilst using a mobile 'phone? The attitude of the officer is also irrelevant if your friend was committing a crime.
i feel latly r beloved police force do as they wish. if his work load is to much hell forget about it if it requires a lot of paper work it will misteriously dissapear if theres no pat on the back well "do we realy want to take this any further",if your freind is employed (as he is ) and has no criminal record and normally an upstanding pilar of sociaty then he WILL be naild dragged through the courts if he appeals made to feel digraded and totally criminalised and then hit with a large fine and points .knowing that the sequance of events would have totally embaressed him to the point hell pay up and shut up,what a police force or should that be police farce
Quote by devilishuk
i feel latly r beloved police force do as they wish. if his work load is to much hell forget about it if it requires a lot of paper work it will misteriously dissapear if theres no pat on the back well "do we realy want to take this any further",if your freind is employed (as he is ) and has no criminal record and normally an upstanding pilar of sociaty then he WILL be naild dragged through the courts if he appeals made to feel digraded and totally criminalised and then hit with a large fine and points .knowing that the sequance of events would have totally embaressed him to the point hell pay up and shut up,what a police force or should that be police farce

Whether he's 'normally' an upstanding pillar of society is by the by - he used a mobile 'phone when in control of a vehicle. He should get a fine and points. He should shut up and pay up.
Quote by devilishuk
i feel latly r beloved police force do as they wish. if his work load is to much hell forget about it if it requires a lot of paper work it will misteriously dissapear if theres no pat on the back well "do we realy want to take this any further",if your freind is employed (as he is ) and has no criminal record and normally an upstanding pilar of sociaty then he WILL be naild dragged through the courts if he appeals made to feel digraded and totally criminalised and then hit with a large fine and points .knowing that the sequance of events would have totally embaressed him to the point hell pay up and shut up,what a police force or should that be police farce

So because he works and is an upstanding citizen should he be permitted to get away with it ???
Just this once ??
Untill the next time he does it and causes a fatal accident.....
If he was in a works vehicle, I'm guessing that driving is a major part of his job. He should have known better. You can get a bluetooth headset for a fiver, no excuses really, are there?
Handsfree- from £5
Life = priceless.
The law states that the use of handheld telecommunications equipment whilst in control of a vehicle is prohibited, put in basic terms, its against the law, there is nothing to say that there would be reason for it not to be a prosecutable offence.
i think your friend whold know if he was being prosectuted, its a instant thing.
if the officer had words and warned him thats diferent, but if it was taken down on his note book, or has issued a warrent/ticket or what ever its called hes being done.
as he was commiting this offence while in a works van/car on work time then the office has a right/duty to report this to the company. it could be depending on the company part of their policy that he is liable to report any driving offences while using work car/van.
they could see it as gross misconduct.
regarding mentioning another incident to the boss, well i wouldnt know as dont know the details, but not doing anything wrong if its already public knowledge.
maybe the officer has witnessed one to may deaths from using mobile phones while drivng and wanted to hammer the risks home.
xx fem xx
Quote by devilishuk
i feel latly r beloved police force do as they wish. if his work load is to much hell forget about it if it requires a lot of paper work it will misteriously dissapear if theres no pat on the back well "do we realy want to take this any further",if your freind is employed (as he is ) and has no criminal record and normally an upstanding pilar of sociaty then he WILL be naild dragged through the courts if he appeals made to feel digraded and totally criminalised and then hit with a large fine and points .knowing that the sequance of events would have totally embaressed him to the point hell pay up and shut up,what a police force or should that be police farce

What a load of rubbish. But your level of literacy tells us how seriously to take your views.
Quote by Tiger_lily
i feel latly r beloved police force do as they wish. if his work load is to much hell forget about it if it requires a lot of paper work it will misteriously dissapear if theres no pat on the back well "do we realy want to take this any further",if your freind is employed (as he is ) and has no criminal record and normally an upstanding pilar of sociaty then he WILL be naild dragged through the courts if he appeals made to feel digraded and totally criminalised and then hit with a large fine and points .knowing that the sequance of events would have totally embaressed him to the point hell pay up and shut up,what a police force or should that be police farce

What a load of rubbish. But your level of literacy tells us how seriously to take your views.
So you are saying that a person who is more literate has a more valid opinion?
I left school with one 'O'level, and that wasn't in English, so I am assuming that a) you feel my viewpoints or opinions are not valid b) you would not wish to converse with me, as I am below your intellect?
What an elitist, narrow minded post it is that you just made, thank you for changing an opinion for me.
No merely stating my opinion on someone who expresses such views and can't write in plain English - as in almost every word is incorrect.
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No merely stating my opinion on someone who expresses such views and can't write in plain English - as in almost every word is incorrect.

It read to me that you was criticising his grammer (which having read it, I can understand what you are saying) but to put him, and his opinion down because you expect better standards is beyond belief.
Quote by Freckledbird
Whether he's 'normally' an upstanding pillar of society is by the by - he used a mobile 'phone when in control of a vehicle. He should get a fine and points. He should shut up and pay up.

Spot on :thumbup:
flicked through this post as your friend was in a works vehicle the officer would have contacted him/her because under law the manager can also be charged with the same offence aint british law great but at least its only 3 points
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No merely stating my opinion on someone who expresses such views and can't write in plain English - as in almost every word is incorrect.

It read to me that you was criticising his grammer (which having read it, I can understand what you are saying) but to put him, and his opinion down because you expect better standards is beyond on board it obviously came out wrong at the end of a long day - the emphasis was on the content of the post. However, I feel that someone who takes that little care when writing and who can't even spell friend correctly has minimal credibility.
I think you are more likely to find a simple answer in the Highway Code, along the lines of driving with due care, and having nothing to distract you from operating a vehicle in the safest way etc.
Which is going to put any ideas of finding a way round the issue out of the question.
Quote by Freckledbird
i feel latly r beloved police force do as they wish. if his work load is to much hell forget about it if it requires a lot of paper work it will misteriously dissapear if theres no pat on the back well "do we realy want to take this any further",if your freind is employed (as he is ) and has no criminal record and normally an upstanding pilar of sociaty then he WILL be naild dragged through the courts if he appeals made to feel digraded and totally criminalised and then hit with a large fine and points .knowing that the sequance of events would have totally embaressed him to the point hell pay up and shut up,what a police force or should that be police farce

Whether he's 'normally' an upstanding pillar of society is by the by - he used a mobile 'phone when in control of a vehicle. He should get a fine and points. He should shut up and pay up.
A bit harsh FB. lol
Quote by kentswingers777
i feel latly r beloved police force do as they wish. if his work load is to much hell forget about it if it requires a lot of paper work it will misteriously dissapear if theres no pat on the back well "do we realy want to take this any further",if your freind is employed (as he is ) and has no criminal record and normally an upstanding pilar of sociaty then he WILL be naild dragged through the courts if he appeals made to feel digraded and totally criminalised and then hit with a large fine and points .knowing that the sequance of events would have totally embaressed him to the point hell pay up and shut up,what a police force or should that be police farce

Whether he's 'normally' an upstanding pillar of society is by the by - he used a mobile 'phone when in control of a vehicle. He should get a fine and points. He should shut up and pay up.
A bit harsh FB. lol
But true. wink
Quote by Tiger_lily
i feel latly r beloved police force do as they wish. if his work load is to much hell forget about it if it requires a lot of paper work it will misteriously dissapear if theres no pat on the back well "do we realy want to take this any further",if your freind is employed (as he is ) and has no criminal record and normally an upstanding pilar of sociaty then he WILL be naild dragged through the courts if he appeals made to feel digraded and totally criminalised and then hit with a large fine and points .knowing that the sequance of events would have totally embaressed him to the point hell pay up and shut up,what a police force or should that be police farce

What a load of rubbish. But your level of literacy tells us how seriously to take your views.
So because his spelling is not that good, that means his views are rubbish? :shock: Think the comment was unfair and to be honest not very nice.
Wow!
guys, i needed advice, not a war!
thank you all for your comments! rolleyes
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Wow!
guys, i needed advice, not a war!
thank you all for your comments! rolleyes

Did you really expect just advice? lol This is the Swingingheaven Forum. cool
Quote by kentswingers777
Wow!
guys, i needed advice, not a war!
thank you all for your comments! rolleyes

Did you really expect just advice? lol This is the Swingingheaven Forum. cool
Of course he didn't, hence this:
Quote by steve-j
please stick to the issue in hand, and we can debate the morality of using your mobile another time!

wink
Quote by Freckledbird
Wow!
guys, i needed advice, not a war!
thank you all for your comments! rolleyes

Did you really expect just advice? lol This is the Swingingheaven Forum. cool
Of course he didn't, hence this:
Quote by steve-j
please stick to the issue in hand, and we can debate the morality of using your mobile another time!

wink
banghead
Quote by essex34m
i feel latly r beloved police force do as they wish. if his work load is to much hell forget about it if it requires a lot of paper work it will misteriously dissapear if theres no pat on the back well "do we realy want to take this any further",if your freind is employed (as he is ) and has no criminal record and normally an upstanding pilar of sociaty then he WILL be naild dragged through the courts if he appeals made to feel digraded and totally criminalised and then hit with a large fine and points .knowing that the sequance of events would have totally embaressed him to the point hell pay up and shut up,what a police force or should that be police farce

What a load of rubbish. But your level of literacy tells us how seriously to take your views.
So you are saying that a person who is more literate has a more valid opinion?
I left school with one 'O'level, and that wasn't in English, so I am assuming that a) you feel my viewpoints or opinions are not valid b) you would not wish to converse with me, as I am below your intellect?
What an elitist, narrow minded post it is that you just made, thank you for changing an opinion for me.
How eloquently put Mr Essex.
Perhaps others should look at their own shortfalls before critisising others. No one is perfect rolleyes
A lot of "if's" with this one.
If the mobile phone was his own, then obviously he shouldn't have used it, and if being prosecuted then he should take it on the chin and use it as a reminder not to do it again.
On the other hand if the mobile was a company phone, I understand that the company should provide sufficient means of using the phone in the car. Holder, hands free etc. If the company decline this request, then the employee has the right to switch their phone off every time they get in the car.
The company I work for have paid for hands free kits for all staff with company cars and have also got us all to sign to say that we won't use our phones in an unsafe situation. They have stated that if we chose to turn our phones off then no disciplinary action would be taken.
Ian
Quote by kentswingers777
So because his spelling is not that good, that means his views are rubbish? :shock: Think the comment was unfair and to be honest not very nice.

As I've already explained elsewhere it came out wrong and yes was perhaps harsh - the emphasis was intended to be on his opinion.
I don't think it's particularly "nice" to be so disparaging about the folks who are out there taking punches, getting kicked at, spat at and taking verbal abuse on a constant basis. One of my colleagues had someone stub a cigarette out on his ear the other day.
So perhaps a little less of the assertion that the police are only there for a "pat on the back" and will do everything they can to destroy the reputation of a "pillar of society". Who, at the end of the day, was breaking the law!
Quote by Freckledbird
hi,
any legal eagles out there?
a friend of mine who works for the local authority was in a works vehicle and stopped at traffic lights and using his phone.
He was subsequently flagged down by a traffic officer, admitted briefly using his phone,and exchanged a few words with the officer who is known to have a bit of an attitude.
He was then reported for using his phone and the officer even went to see my friends manager to tell him of the incident.
This officer even disclosed information regarding a fatal road accident to my friend, this information is not public knowledge, and pending inquest.
Ive surfed the net, and understand that he shouldnt have used his phone, but are there any stated cases and avenues for non prosecution.
cheers
steve biggrin
please stick to the issue in hand, and we can debate the morality of using your mobile another time!

Why would there be cases and avenues of non-prosecution? He shouldn't have been using his 'phone, so he should be prosecuted. The disclosure of unrelated (?) information is irrelevant. Unless the fatal accident was due to him driving whilst using a mobile 'phone? The attitude of the officer is also irrelevant if your friend was committing a crime.
"The attitude of the officer is also irrelevant if your friend was committing a crime."
I think the attitude of some officers are appauling, yes he was committing a crime but what gives some officers the right to talk down or have an attitude.....yes I understand they probably see this everyday but its their job and they should treat people correctly and not as they please.
I know its off subject but just to explain a bit further why my these are my thoughts.....
I got pulled for having an illegal number plate on my car ( black & silver) the officer told me to get it sorted but the next day whilst he was off duty and with a friend in his car he forced me to pull over and gave me a bollocking again, his manner was very rude and intimidating as at first I didnt realise who he was. Im not saying all officers are the same its just the ones I have had contact with seem to think they can talk to people how they like
Quote by Ian
A lot of "if's" with this one.
If the mobile phone was his own, then obviously he shouldn't have used it, and if being prosecuted then he should take it on the chin and use it as a reminder not to do it again.
On the other hand if the mobile was a company phone, I understand that the company should provide sufficient means of using the phone in the car. Holder, hands free etc. If the company decline this request, then the employee has the right to switch their phone off every time they get in the car.
The company I work for have paid for hands free kits for all staff with company cars and have also got us all to sign to say that we won't use our phones in an unsafe situation. They have stated that if we chose to turn our phones off then no disciplinary action would be taken.
Ian

But if his company had declined the request for hands-free equipment and he still used the 'phone, then it's still his responsibility.
Quote by Freckledbird
A lot of "if's" with this one.
If the mobile phone was his own, then obviously he shouldn't have used it, and if being prosecuted then he should take it on the chin and use it as a reminder not to do it again.
On the other hand if the mobile was a company phone, I understand that the company should provide sufficient means of using the phone in the car. Holder, hands free etc. If the company decline this request, then the employee has the right to switch their phone off every time they get in the car.
The company I work for have paid for hands free kits for all staff with company cars and have also got us all to sign to say that we won't use our phones in an unsafe situation. They have stated that if we chose to turn our phones off then no disciplinary action would be taken.
Ian

But if his company had declined the request for hands-free equipment and he still used the 'phone, then it's still his responsibility.
To be fair , the company issue is a moot point, as it is still the responsibility of the driver to obey the laws, and the fact is, the driver from the OP was caught using his phone whilst in control of a vehicle, it is his responsibility, and he should accept that he has done wrong, and take the punishment that comes his way, despite the efforts of the OP to try and find out a way to get him off.