As per my friend Dino's request I think I better qualify my post. I am not saying people who have not fought back are in any way wrong. I am am firmly on the side of anyone , the blame in lies with the in all cases. Everything people say about safety is good advice, but if the worst ever happened not following is no excuse for the , or fault of your own. You should be able to be anywhere you want, anytime, in safety. (Yes that not the real world, but it should be)
Anything you do to get through the experience is what you do to survive, and whatever that was you were right to do it, as you are here talking about it. My approach may be more violent but that is because the thought of makes me so angry, it is one of the few situations I would condone virtually any defence.
just reading all the post here.
i think anyone, who commits rapes, should be castrated.
these people are the lowest of the low.
even lower than a sewer rat.
i think this is a good idea, but would it work practtically.
i cannot see a woman wearing it all day, what if the thing broke.
then the women will end up doing more damage to them selfs.
i wonder if there is another way ?.
This device wont work at all as a deterant!
1) In a short time, it's use will become known of and would be attackers will check whether it's fitted.
2) By the time the attacker has his dick caught in it he has penetrated the women, so although he probably hasn't achieved his goal, she has stil technically been .
I'm no and never will be, so I don't know the mechanics of how they go about their dirty deed, or the exact mechanics of how the device works (although that is fairly obvious)... but..
1) I've never put my penis in a womans vagina without first testing for or stimulating lubrication, with my fingers... and when there is no lubrication, getting it in is nigh on imposible! On that basis a would find the device!
2) From the pictures of the device, it looks as though it requires the penis to open it as it penetrates, so the attacker would feel something in the way!
It is no doubt illegal in this country...
1) It is a device intended for the sole purpose of inflicting bodily harm... on that basis alone British law would make it illegal and any person found with one on their person ('scuse the pun) could be prosecuted... under the same law, where would you buy it? It's not something that Boots or your local chemist could sell!
2) It is very true that the 'victim' of the device could sue in the same way that a burglar can if he's cut to pieces on broken glass or barbed wire while climing over your wall!
3) And what if some women use it maliciously... which is very likely... example, a woman suspecting / knowing her husband is having an affair... it then becomes a weapon on aggression!
Then there is a much more complicated question... why do they do it in the fiest place? Is it an illness or simple desperation, or do they get off on something else, like the violence... in which case they must be sick anyway!
Which brings me to my next point... and this is disturbing.... several contributors to this thread have shown a malicious or vindictive motivation towards revenge, "cut his dick off!" or similar. While I can understand the outrage against such crimes in the heat of a moment.. I believe that calculated violence against any other life form is sadly degenerate and reduces those who perpertrate it to a lower level than the originator of the crime!
To draw a parrallel, in some states of the USA they still have capital punishment (indeed there are poeple in the UK who want it reintroduced).... If someone takes someones life in a moment of rage (diminished responsibility) or is some kind of deranged serial killer (mentally ill) or anything similar.... obviosly they need to be deal with... BUT.. for apprantly sane, officials of any country's authorities to decide in a diplomatic way to take someones life is abhorent.. they are lower than the people they are convicting... but they do it! And we have the audasisity to call ourselves a 'civilisation'!
Civilisation is something that the residents of this insignificant piece of rock we call Earth, are a long way from acheiving and this way of thinking is not condusive to becoming civilised!
I am disgusted that anyone can condone the wilful maming on another person. no matter what their 'crime' is!
At the end of the day this 'thing' will never be legal in this country, i think the very sad fact is there is not protection against , its something that has always been about and always will be, even when things are bough out to try and protect people its soon made ilegal cause but all acounts the criminal has rights too, its ok for a guy to a woman but if she sprays pepper spray in his eyes shes in the wrong, and will more than likely be charged with it, its a odd word we live in when you can't carry things about to protect yourself, and even if the rapest is cough you then have to go thro the ordeal of proving ur the victim which at times can be as bad as the act itsself.
are they one size fits all?
Some good points have already been made here. Just wondering how or whether the device is secured in the vagina. Afterall if the discovers its there whats to stop him from taking it out before ?
Like I said, I can understand people taking drastic immediate action as a result of anger and rage. It's supposedly sane people condoning such acts that I find disturbing. I draw a parallel with the USA simply to point out that on this ever-decreasing-in-size planet where eventually we might all become united one day, there are 'civilisations' still advocating draconian and barbaric measures for dealing with *people*. I don't condone or any other violent crime, but resorting to revenge, which is what we're really talking about, revenge disguised as justice, I beleive makes us lower than the individual we're 'punishing'. And there are people in this country campaigning for the death penalty to be brought back!
To answer someones question about prosecutions of householders for use of unreasonable force, the following Times article reports on a recent Crown Prosecution Publication outlining what is and what isn't allowed. The article quotes Ken Macdonald QC, the Director of Public Prosecutions saying that there have been 11 prosections of householders for excessive use of force in the last 15 years.
The CPS web page outlining the law on this subject and pointing out that even if an intruder dies, you are unlikely to be prosecuted so long as the police are satified that you used reasonable force, also states that the deliberate setting of a trap amounts to excessive force! So I think the use of device this thread is about would be illegal just on that point alone!
I personally do not agree with the death penalty, to many innocent people are sent to jail in order for this to work, i agree that offenders must be punished but what happens if 5 years down the line they find out Jo Bloggs who was given the lethal injection didn't Mrs Brown after all, in a ideal world only guilty people would get charged for crimes they commited but we don't live in a ideal world and it has been know for police to make up or hide evidence to commit people they believe to be guilty only to be bough to light years later these people are not guilty at all
I was having a go at those poeple... OK everyone has a right to freedom of speech and to perhaps verbally vent their anger... but... it could incite others to act on those words... that's often how lynch mobs are motivated... someone says "we should hang him!" and someone else says, "yeah lets do it!" Careless use of words might just light someones fuse! However, I have a 12 year old daughter... if anyone touched her I would probably beat them sensless in an act of rage... but I'm not saying I would be right in doing it!
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Hi BW..well it seems we basically agree with each other. My only disagreement is that it's quite a leap from a few angry cries to a public hanging. I appreciate it can and does happen, but lets not jump the gun admonish everyone who verbally vents their spleen at such outrageous acts.
is not about sex it's about power. The kind of man that resorts to is seeking power over his victims and usually has a inferioirity complex with regards to women in general, this is his way of exerting his 'power' over her. Understanding that psychological make up of a would be and it's not hard to understand that any woman that puts up a strong defence stands a better chance of not being than one who meekly submits. It's all down to the character of the woman involved and there is no cut and dried approach on how to defend oneself successfully against .
A strong minded woman will fight tooth and nail against a 'lesser' physical man and she may well beat him off. A strong man, physically, will overcome any woman if he's determined enough. The thing about these 'rapex' condoms is that the inventor has understood one vital factor here - men cannot stand the thought of ANTHING happening to their penises that renders them: useless, damaged or inoperative - if a man is damaged by one of these things I don't think retaliation will be the first thing on his mind - preservation of his penis will take precedence.
Rapists are cowards and most will turn tail and flee if confronted or fought back against. A that kills is not a , he's a murderer who uses sex in his crime and that's an entirely different mindset altogether. A pychopath will kill and he won't leave his victim any means of escaping as his crime is normally carefully planned and orchestrated, a is usually an opportunist.
Wouldn't it be better where possible for women to be sensible and not put themselves at risk of in the first place?
Considering the prevalence of serious attacks on women (and young girls) and the publicity it generates, it is surprising how many potential victims you see. In my local town is isn't uncommon, in fact it's very common, to see women, young women, walking along dark roads light at night dressed in very lttle. And while I don't think a girl's dress or lack of it is an excuse for someone to take advantage of, I think these girls are leaving themselves wide open to attack.
I travel around the country a lot with my work, and I see this everywhere! Only a few days ago I was on my way home at about at night, and passed two girls of about 16 years old (a guess btw), walking along an unlit country lane, both wear wearing very short skirts and skimpy tops!
Once, a couple of years ago, again late at night, I was passing through a large Cheshire village and had to swerve to avoid a girl who was walking along the pavement, going in the same direction as me, she had staggered into the road as she was drunk, very drunk! This girl in perhaps her late teens was again wearing a very short skirt and a pretty revealing top, and she was pretty attractive. Having overtaken her, it suddenly crossed my mind that she was walking out of the village towards open countryside! So then I thought, "shall I go back and see if she would like a lift?"... so then for a minute or two I had a mental battle of concience versus, well, what do you call it, dilemma? Think about it... 46 year old man stopping and trying to pick up a young girl, how does that look? Then I thought, "how would you feel if you picked up the paper tomorrow and read that a girl had been or murdered??"... So, in the end I turned around and went back, stopped and asked if I could give her a lift somewhere. Now the other thing here is, how the hell does she know I'm safe? She doesn't, but, she got in my car and I took her to another twon about 6 miles away and droped her near some houses where she said she lived, and waited while she went in. On the way she told me she'd had a row with her boyfriend and he'd dumped her and left her to make her own way home. Like I said, she was quite drunk, her tits were falling out of her top (and I mean that literally, they were uncovered)... which I pointed out to her so she could cover up, and her skirt was so short you could see her knickers (not there was a lot of them!). My conscience was clear because I had no intention of touching her inappropriately, and to the best of my knowledge I delivered her safely home. But ti made me think about how with another man the situation could have turned out very different!
I'm not trying to say that women are to blame for being , but surely some could be a bit more careful?
Did I not say that I don't believe the way a woman dresses is an excuse?? I think you'll find I did!! I didn't use the phrase 'asking for it' either.
I'm merely pointing out that it is a known fact that there are rapists and murderers at large, so why put yourself in danger unecessarily?
As for the girl I gave a lift to, I agree, her boyfriend was a completely thoughtless twat... and I wasn't suggesting it was entirely her fault she was out on the street late on her own (although she could have gone into several pubs that were open, or a number of takeaways, and asked them to get her a taxi... or she could have called a taxi herself. Her b/f had left her in a pub, not on the street. However, I was pointing out the potential danger this girl was at risk of becoming a victim of. But there are many women who put themselves at risk like that without the assistance of an inconsiderate b/f... and despite that it is not their fault that some lunatic is out there with intent to women, they could be a bit more sensible and not put themselves at risk!
By walking down a road late at night dressed sexily and looking very attractive, they may well not be asking for it, and certainly don't deserve it, but the fact is they are putting themselves at risk of getting it!!
Barewolf..you can't on the one hand say.."Im not saying they are asking for it" and then follow it up with a "BUT....." statement.
) regular reports about how popular they are and how well they are selling. Someone going around filling public bins with lots and lots of opened packaging wouldn't go amiss either.
