It seems we maybe following in Ireland's footsteps. President Blair is looking at banning smoking:
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Orgasminator
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Sorry to all the smokestacks out there but - GOOD :!:
You should all give it up - and I say this to all my friends - please give it up :!:
You should all give it up - and I say this to all my friends - please give it up :!:
I am a non smoker, but my hubby does smoke.
However, he chooses only to smoke outside. I will stress that this is his choice as he also detests the smell of smoke in houses. And contrary to the adverts - no amount of spraying Febreeze can ever remove the smell. You have to buy it in gallons and wash the suff in it.
I do agree that in a lot of ways a ban would be wrong - it would result in many establishments going out of business - but segregation isn't always viable option either - not many small pubs and restaurants could afford to do this because they do not have the space. There is just no easy answer.
The only thing is to do more to discourage young people from taking up smoking in the first place and a heck of a lot more to encourage people to give up. My hubby has said that he is now going to try - so keep your fingers crossed for us.
Hugs (from someone who sees both sides on this)
Alex x x x
PS - the downside of reducing the number of smokers is that the tax bill for everyone will increase significantly to compensate for the governments lack of revenue from the tobacco tax. In years to come, the NHS bills to treat smoking related diseases will decrease, but that will probably not be within the lifetimes of most of us!
However, he chooses only to smoke outside. I will stress that this is his choice as he also detests the smell of smoke in houses. And contrary to the adverts - no amount of spraying Febreeze can ever remove the smell. You have to buy it in gallons and wash the suff in it.
I do agree that in a lot of ways a ban would be wrong - it would result in many establishments going out of business - but segregation isn't always viable option either - not many small pubs and restaurants could afford to do this because they do not have the space. There is just no easy answer.
The only thing is to do more to discourage young people from taking up smoking in the first place and a heck of a lot more to encourage people to give up. My hubby has said that he is now going to try - so keep your fingers crossed for us.
Hugs (from someone who sees both sides on this)
Alex x x x
PS - the downside of reducing the number of smokers is that the tax bill for everyone will increase significantly to compensate for the governments lack of revenue from the tobacco tax. In years to come, the NHS bills to treat smoking related diseases will decrease, but that will probably not be within the lifetimes of most of us!
Orgasminator
I am of the belief that employees who do not smoke should not have to inhale smoke (second hand or not).
I don't believe smoking should be banned. I think that if every employee smokes then smoking should be allowed in that work place, but only if everyone smokes. This should go for pubs, clubs etc as well. Smoking should only be allowed in those premises if all the staff smoke as well. Smokers and non smokers can then decided for themselves which pub, club etc. to visit.
So if a non smoking customer visits a "smoking" pub, then that's their choice and they put up with the smoke. They made that choice, they live with it.
I not interested in whether it would be easy or difficult to implement, police or even work (i.e. discrimination). It is just my thoughts.
I don't believe smoking should be banned. I think that if every employee smokes then smoking should be allowed in that work place, but only if everyone smokes. This should go for pubs, clubs etc as well. Smoking should only be allowed in those premises if all the staff smoke as well. Smokers and non smokers can then decided for themselves which pub, club etc. to visit.
So if a non smoking customer visits a "smoking" pub, then that's their choice and they put up with the smoke. They made that choice, they live with it.
I not interested in whether it would be easy or difficult to implement, police or even work (i.e. discrimination). It is just my thoughts.
Non Smoking asthmatic here.
I want the right to go anywhwere and be able to breath.
I want the right to eat out without someone coming along with a cigarette and making me happens even in non smoking restauants when there is some one smoking in the smoking area.
I want the right to visit any pub or other public place without ending up stinking. Even the day after it is possible to smelll the residue and on occassions I have even had to take my clothes to the cleaners because of it.
In its natural state the air around us is nicotine free. I do not think someone else has the right to pollutte the air I and many others need to breath.
If people must induldge in this foul habit let them do so at home, but please not when there are children present.
As an employer I would never allow my staff to smoke on the premises, as besides the health and safety risk it is a waste of working time. I actively do discriminate in favour of non smokers. When I have employed smokers in the past I have found them to be less productive and obsessed with smeaking off for their next cigarette.
Tony Blair has done few things to benefit the ordianry people of this country but this might be his one bright idea , though as usual it will no doubt take ages to work through the system. My own view is that it is a diversionary tactic to take our minds off Iraq, the state of the public transport system , fox hunting and all the other areas he has failled us on
I want the right to go anywhwere and be able to breath.
I want the right to eat out without someone coming along with a cigarette and making me happens even in non smoking restauants when there is some one smoking in the smoking area.
I want the right to visit any pub or other public place without ending up stinking. Even the day after it is possible to smelll the residue and on occassions I have even had to take my clothes to the cleaners because of it.
In its natural state the air around us is nicotine free. I do not think someone else has the right to pollutte the air I and many others need to breath.
If people must induldge in this foul habit let them do so at home, but please not when there are children present.
As an employer I would never allow my staff to smoke on the premises, as besides the health and safety risk it is a waste of working time. I actively do discriminate in favour of non smokers. When I have employed smokers in the past I have found them to be less productive and obsessed with smeaking off for their next cigarette.
Tony Blair has done few things to benefit the ordianry people of this country but this might be his one bright idea , though as usual it will no doubt take ages to work through the system. My own view is that it is a diversionary tactic to take our minds off Iraq, the state of the public transport system , fox hunting and all the other areas he has failled us on
Of course smoking is not the only cause of astmha, however it is one very real tigger. It is also the easiest to erradicat and the most unecessary.
Transport is, Im afraid a large air pollutant which is agravated by the use of diesel fuels, which although cleaner in many ways, produce more particles whichin turn agravate asthma. However by far the worst single cause of air pollution is not car useage but air travel, which as we know has become cheaper and cheaper over recent govetment has failled to significantly increase taxes on air travel to the degree that they affect peoples decisions to fly.
However I would still argue that smoking is a far more imediate agravant to asthmatics
Transport is, Im afraid a large air pollutant which is agravated by the use of diesel fuels, which although cleaner in many ways, produce more particles whichin turn agravate asthma. However by far the worst single cause of air pollution is not car useage but air travel, which as we know has become cheaper and cheaper over recent govetment has failled to significantly increase taxes on air travel to the degree that they affect peoples decisions to fly.
However I would still argue that smoking is a far more imediate agravant to asthmatics
Alright ! - Alright !! - Alright !!!
You've convinced me. As soon as She goes I'll stop smoking again.
It's no good me trying to stop while she's in the house still smoking. - That's my excuse and I'm stinking to it.
On a serious note though, and possiby pertinent here, I had virtually stopped a few years ago and noticed that my, erm;
'performance' improved no end.
I don't/won't listen to the health (mine) arguments for reasons I've mentioned elshwere on the site - but hey' if it makes
me a better f*** then I'll stop.
But please, can I still have the odd small panatella???
You've convinced me. As soon as She goes I'll stop smoking again.
It's no good me trying to stop while she's in the house still smoking. - That's my excuse and I'm stinking to it.
On a serious note though, and possiby pertinent here, I had virtually stopped a few years ago and noticed that my, erm;
'performance' improved no end.
I don't/won't listen to the health (mine) arguments for reasons I've mentioned elshwere on the site - but hey' if it makes
me a better f*** then I'll stop.
But please, can I still have the odd small panatella???
o-Oh
'elshwhere'
Frascati's done got me
Lighten up you people. I said lighten up - NOT light up (Sorry)
'elshwhere'
Frascati's done got me
Lighten up you people. I said lighten up - NOT light up (Sorry)
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You seem to have a good answer for things, was a complement
I think I'm about to tilt.
That sounded(?) sincere and sweet.
Whenever anybody said That I had an answer for things it came across with a sneer and as a precursor to a row???
Orgasminator
Before I post this, billion may mean million and million may mean hundred thousands, cos I'm working from memory and I'm tired, lol.
I think smoking should be compulsary... after all at the moment smokers "cough up" six billion in revinue and only cost the NHS 600 million in treatment...
So what would happen to the economy if everyone gave up overnight! Why do you think they only put up the duty a few pence each time... dont want people giving up after all.
If you put the duty up by say 3 quid on a packet of 20, then a lot of people would say feck it, i'll try and give up... the others would get them from the guy that does the backy run, and some would still stump up the cash in the shops!!!!!
One labour ministor said that due to the number of people buying abroad and the smugglers the UK was loosing 1-2billion a year in lost revinue which was directly affecting the NHS budgets, needless to say she was moved to another post very quickly because it would not seem good if the government was reliant on the revinue from smokers!
I am sure that over the years I have paid far more than any treatment that may be potentially required in the future for my self inflicted smoking related problems!
On a personal note... in a country obsessed by rights of the individual, shouldnt the rights of the smoker be as important as the rights of the non smoker? Perhaps not a total ban on smoking in public places, but say allow the places to impose bans on smokers if they so wish... I wonder just how many night clubs would say "totaly non-smoking" would be interesting to see, and more interesting to see if the non-smoking or the smoking went out of business first!
What next, banning pubs and night clubs from selling alcohol due to the problems of drunkennes and alcohol related illnesses and the damage that some people do once they leave the premises?
Jon
I think smoking should be compulsary... after all at the moment smokers "cough up" six billion in revinue and only cost the NHS 600 million in treatment...
So what would happen to the economy if everyone gave up overnight! Why do you think they only put up the duty a few pence each time... dont want people giving up after all.
If you put the duty up by say 3 quid on a packet of 20, then a lot of people would say feck it, i'll try and give up... the others would get them from the guy that does the backy run, and some would still stump up the cash in the shops!!!!!
One labour ministor said that due to the number of people buying abroad and the smugglers the UK was loosing 1-2billion a year in lost revinue which was directly affecting the NHS budgets, needless to say she was moved to another post very quickly because it would not seem good if the government was reliant on the revinue from smokers!
I am sure that over the years I have paid far more than any treatment that may be potentially required in the future for my self inflicted smoking related problems!
On a personal note... in a country obsessed by rights of the individual, shouldnt the rights of the smoker be as important as the rights of the non smoker? Perhaps not a total ban on smoking in public places, but say allow the places to impose bans on smokers if they so wish... I wonder just how many night clubs would say "totaly non-smoking" would be interesting to see, and more interesting to see if the non-smoking or the smoking went out of business first!
What next, banning pubs and night clubs from selling alcohol due to the problems of drunkennes and alcohol related illnesses and the damage that some people do once they leave the premises?
Jon
We are both smokers,but we completely agree with a total smoking ban.
The air is there for everyone to breath,it is our god given right,and those like ourselves that choose to smoke,should do so where we cannot affect anyone else.
Clare And Steve,xx
The air is there for everyone to breath,it is our god given right,and those like ourselves that choose to smoke,should do so where we cannot affect anyone else.
Clare And Steve,xx
I am a beleiver in freedom , so everyone should be free to smoke cigarettes , use crack cocaine smoke weed , whatever . They shouldnt' be able to interfere in others freedom to avoid smoke etc . There is a role for government , it is to educate people with unbiased research so that we freely make informed choices .
Nicotine is more addictive than crack cocaine ,when we listen to smokers we should hear what they say , but remember its refracted through the lens of an addiction .One of the effects of smoking is to narrow arteries , esp those to the legs , this cuts of the blood supply to the dick , and that must speak to all the men on this forum , and eventually it leads to amputation of the legs , so you cant even walk across the room to ask "how about it babe?"
So , if you want to be addicted to anything , that's fine by me so long as you know everything you need to know when you decide to become addicted , and so long as you respect my decision to be the bestest and baddest sexaholic I can be . "How about it babes?"
Nicotine is more addictive than crack cocaine ,when we listen to smokers we should hear what they say , but remember its refracted through the lens of an addiction .One of the effects of smoking is to narrow arteries , esp those to the legs , this cuts of the blood supply to the dick , and that must speak to all the men on this forum , and eventually it leads to amputation of the legs , so you cant even walk across the room to ask "how about it babe?"
So , if you want to be addicted to anything , that's fine by me so long as you know everything you need to know when you decide to become addicted , and so long as you respect my decision to be the bestest and baddest sexaholic I can be . "How about it babes?"
Sex God
Quote by Flipper
I am a beleiver in freedom , so everyone should be free to smoke cigarettes , use crack cocaine smoke weed , whatever . They shouldnt' be able to interfere in others freedom to avoid smoke etc . There is a role for government , it is to educate people with unbiased research so that we freely make informed choices .
How much more education do we need? Everyone knows that smoking can kill, but nobody thinks it will happen to them.
Nobody's quite sure how dangerous passive smoking is - I personally think it's probably not as hazardous as living in a city breathing car fumes all day, but all the same, why should non-smokers be subjected to an unnecessary risk? In the interests of upholding our right as free individuals to abuse our bodies if that's what we want to do, I would oppose an outright ban, but I do think that restaurants and pubs etc that choose to allow smoking should display very large signs outside saying "Smoking is allowed here." That way, people can choose whether or not to go in.
Ice
Sex God
By the way, how many people take up smoking as an adult? I suspect the answer is none! Apparently cigarette manufacturers lace them with chocolate! How utterly evil is that?
Ice
Ice
Sex God
Quote by Ice PieI'm not sure about the "lacing them with chocolate" Ice, but I do know of at least 4 people who have taken up smoking as adults, and I really don't get it at all. As you know, I myself am a smoker, and whilst I agree with you on most counts I can't understand adults making an informed choice to smoke.
By the way, how many people take up smoking as an adult? I suspect the answer is none! Apparently cigarette manufacturers lace them with chocolate! How utterly evil is that?
Ice
I personally bowed to peer pressure as a teenager and have now been smoking for far more years than I care to admit to myself, but I have the "excuse" that I was young, stupid and of the "it won't happen to me" school of thought (I guess I'm still in that school now, or I'd have made a more concerted effort to stop). But adults?? Surely they should have much more sense?
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Sex God
That's amazing, Angel. As you say, peer pressure has its effect, but I remember my first cigarette tasting absolutely disgusting, and I know for certain that had I been an adult and not trying to look cool in front of the other kids, it would have been my last too.
judy
When I go into a restaurant I always ask to be seated away from smokers, even if the establishment does not have a non smoking area. Then if anyone starts to smoke near me I ask for the manager and point out that I am asthmatic and the smoke maymake me have an attack (most restaurants do not want to be in any way responsible for someone being ill) and that when I came in I did ask to be seated away from smoke. This usually results in other non smokers agreeing loudly with me and the offending smoker offering to put out their cigarette. Failling that the manager often decides to move me to a smoke free area. They are then often faced with a number of non smoking dinners also asking to be moved.
Last year we were in one wine bar type establishment and becuase of two smokers on one table six other tables demanded to be moved!!
As for the dancing problem I have no solution. The workplace figures you give probably relate only to the time that the smoker takes off to smoke, however I have always found you can double this time to allow for the half hour runing up to the cigarette when smokers are distracted and do not work to their best. BTW you make a good point mentioning the smell they carry into the office!! ULCK!!!!
When I go into a restaurant I always ask to be seated away from smokers, even if the establishment does not have a non smoking area. Then if anyone starts to smoke near me I ask for the manager and point out that I am asthmatic and the smoke maymake me have an attack (most restaurants do not want to be in any way responsible for someone being ill) and that when I came in I did ask to be seated away from smoke. This usually results in other non smokers agreeing loudly with me and the offending smoker offering to put out their cigarette. Failling that the manager often decides to move me to a smoke free area. They are then often faced with a number of non smoking dinners also asking to be moved.
Last year we were in one wine bar type establishment and becuase of two smokers on one table six other tables demanded to be moved!!
As for the dancing problem I have no solution. The workplace figures you give probably relate only to the time that the smoker takes off to smoke, however I have always found you can double this time to allow for the half hour runing up to the cigarette when smokers are distracted and do not work to their best. BTW you make a good point mentioning the smell they carry into the office!! ULCK!!!!
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Thanks
But its not a row its a debate.
Ummm I didn't say it was a row - I just asked you to remind me never to row with you.
You seem to have a good answer for things, was a complement
Sorry Misschief it came over wrong. Thank you for the compliment.
Hope to debate with you again in the forum. TTFN
Dave_Notts
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Not sure stopping will make you a better f*** but it will sure make you taste better!!
I've only just seen your reply Foxylady.
It's funny you should say that.
While I was first looking round the site, I came across a few threads/posts about how to make me taste better.
So I asked her to take part in a scientific experiment and she agreed.
I spent all week drinking as little tea and as muck pineapple juice as I could face. :spit:
But when I got back at the weekend we rowed and never got the chance to test out the theory.
Quote by Angel ChatI'm not sure about the "lacing them with chocolate" Ice, but I do know of at least 4 people who have taken up smoking as adults, and I really don't get it at all. As you know, I myself am a smoker, and whilst I agree with you on most counts I can't understand adults making an informed choice to smoke.
By the way, how many people take up smoking as an adult? I suspect the answer is none! Apparently cigarette manufacturers lace them with chocolate! How utterly evil is that?
Ice
I personally bowed to peer pressure as a teenager and have now been smoking for far more years than I care to admit to myself, but I have the "excuse" that I was young, stupid and of the "it won't happen to me" school of thought (I guess I'm still in that school now, or I'd have made a more concerted effort to stop). But adults?? Surely they should have much more sense?
:Reading this is quite scary , I was given a lit cigarette when I was 14 , and so it was cool at that there was peer pressure as well I just did not like it and never touched another one. Knowing what I know now I realise i was within a few lungfuls of being hooked for life , and I could be dead or maimed by now .
Can we pull together in the forum to encourage anyone who wants to quit ? I dont want to sound preachy , just be helpful
Can you fecking believe that my new role is to encourage businesses to impose smoking bans and advocate the total ban :shock: . So I now have to give seminars to people to embrace the new proposals..............
.............then nip outside for a fag. Do as I say and not as I do
Don't things change in a year :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Dave_Notts
.............then nip outside for a fag. Do as I say and not as I do
Don't things change in a year :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Dave_Notts
I despise smoking, but lets face it - if you ban smoking, it won't stop it happening in peoples own home, so health issues will still be completely existent. Even if you tried to ban cigarettes from total existence, it'd fail - it'd be a case of cigarette prohibition and people would smoke more.
Best way of dealing with it is to continue with the aggressive anti-smoking adverts and doubling the price of cigarettes through tax.
Do not understand why they are so cheap. If they cost £10 a packet it would have 2 effects - it'd prevent lower income addicts from smoking as regularly and make it easier to quit, and the massive boost from the additional tax could be poured into Free Anti-Smoking schemes, such as cutting edge nicotine-replacement treatment. Within 5 years the amount of smokers would half - sure you would get the expected mass protest from those warped by nicotine, but they're arguement just doesn't add up!
Best way of dealing with it is to continue with the aggressive anti-smoking adverts and doubling the price of cigarettes through tax.
Do not understand why they are so cheap. If they cost £10 a packet it would have 2 effects - it'd prevent lower income addicts from smoking as regularly and make it easier to quit, and the massive boost from the additional tax could be poured into Free Anti-Smoking schemes, such as cutting edge nicotine-replacement treatment. Within 5 years the amount of smokers would half - sure you would get the expected mass protest from those warped by nicotine, but they're arguement just doesn't add up!
