Im hoping all you folks out there can give me some advice or information.
I live in a small village where a few of the houses are owned by the local authority, one such house has been empty for a few weeks. Last week , someone was moved in (during the night it seemed) . Yesterday one of the children was approached by this man ,I wont go any further into details but It was not in a nice or correct way.
This has caused an obvious reaction within our community , with the police appearing to be taking no action . with lack of evidence etc.
Another neighbour has done some digging into where this person came from and it appears at this moment that our fears may be well founded. The problem is no one will tell us anything.
During last night someone has taken their own action involving a brick and some windows .
what Im asking is does anyone know what information is available regarding this sort of thing and if its true what can be done
I dont want to condemn before having the facts and if this post sounds wrong then I appologise but with two small children Im feeling very frightened and vunerable
thanks
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I haven't got any real advice, however, if they are Council houses or a Housing Association it is important that you make your complaints, feeling known in writing. This way you have a record of what you have done, so that in the future you can refer back to them and supply dates etc. Telephones aren't really worth s**t as they can be denied. All letters to such organisations have to be answered within a fixed time, usually 10 working days. You will get an answer, it maybe that it is a standard reply fobbing your concerns off but you will have a contact point to continue any correspondance.
If you are unhappy with the attitude of LA or Housing Association go to your local councils they have more power than you. If you are unhappy with what happens then go to your MP. A letter from an MP scares these organisations shitless.
I know it is a long process but that's my experience of how you deal with these types of organisations. Hope it helps.
If you are unhappy with the attitude of LA or Housing Association go to your local councils they have more power than you. If you are unhappy with what happens then go to your MP. A letter from an MP scares these organisations shitless.
I know it is a long process but that's my experience of how you deal with these types of organisations. Hope it helps.
As you will know, the sex offenders’ register is not available for public disclosure, but members of your community may have been notified (Head teachers, doctors, youth leaders, sports club managers and others, including landlords, are notified on a confidential basis of the existence of a local sex offender) … confidentiality, professional conduct, public accountability, moral obligations, etc etc will all play a part in whether you will be able to prise the information from them.
A small but pertinent point to remember … all those on the sex offenders register are not paedophiles. Grabbing somebody’s arse could also make you a contender (unless your female and the victim is David Beckham in which case it’s just a good story)
A small but pertinent point to remember … all those on the sex offenders register are not paedophiles. Grabbing somebody’s arse could also make you a contender (unless your female and the victim is David Beckham in which case it’s just a good story)
Mezagog, you my friend have a pm (well, you will once I've written it, and its an essay, so get ready 
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We do not have Sarah's Law yet therefore the authorities - police, housing or otherwise are under no obligation to offer you any information. BUT, you (or the child's parents) have a genuine complaint as to the manner in which this child was approached, and if you do not feel that it has been dealt with satisfactorily, complain again. Loudly. Also familiarise yourself with the NSPCC website : which carries informative booklets & other info.
IF this perosn is what you suspect, it is likley they will be on licence, and therefore reporting to probation each month/ week depending on thier individual order conditions. All reports to police MUST be acted upon, and if no action is taken due to lack of evidence, there will (should) at the very least be a report available to a probation officer logging the complaint - which in turn starts the ball rolling.
Remember though, within the community, even rumour of something ike this becomes a witch hunt, the rumour mill circulates and people, as you already suggest, start digging for information that often isnt there.
It MAY be a safehouse, or someone in temporary accomodation for whatever reason and not what you immediately suspect - that said though, I dont expect there'll be many children playing out in your area over the coming days. The circumstances of this persons arrival could be absolutely anything - be very very careful what accustaions are thrown.
Call your community beat officer yourself, - and higher if your concerns are 'dismissed' - yes, you'll ask questions to which you will get no answers, but if they know that you 'know' (or even suspect, along with others in your area, and they'll already, I would hope, have reports of the bricked windows) the police are aware that there are lessons to be learned from ignoring public concern, as illustrated in the Paulsgrove Estate riots.
watch over your kids luv, someone else will take the law into their own hands, they always do, unfortunately usually before knowing the facts.
) We do not have Sarah's Law yet therefore the authorities - police, housing or otherwise are under no obligation to offer you any information. BUT, you (or the child's parents) have a genuine complaint as to the manner in which this child was approached, and if you do not feel that it has been dealt with satisfactorily, complain again. Loudly. Also familiarise yourself with the NSPCC website : which carries informative booklets & other info.
IF this perosn is what you suspect, it is likley they will be on licence, and therefore reporting to probation each month/ week depending on thier individual order conditions. All reports to police MUST be acted upon, and if no action is taken due to lack of evidence, there will (should) at the very least be a report available to a probation officer logging the complaint - which in turn starts the ball rolling.
Remember though, within the community, even rumour of something ike this becomes a witch hunt, the rumour mill circulates and people, as you already suggest, start digging for information that often isnt there.
It MAY be a safehouse, or someone in temporary accomodation for whatever reason and not what you immediately suspect - that said though, I dont expect there'll be many children playing out in your area over the coming days. The circumstances of this persons arrival could be absolutely anything - be very very careful what accustaions are thrown.
Call your community beat officer yourself, - and higher if your concerns are 'dismissed' - yes, you'll ask questions to which you will get no answers, but if they know that you 'know' (or even suspect, along with others in your area, and they'll already, I would hope, have reports of the bricked windows) the police are aware that there are lessons to be learned from ignoring public concern, as illustrated in the Paulsgrove Estate riots.
watch over your kids luv, someone else will take the law into their own hands, they always do, unfortunately usually before knowing the facts.
thanks everyone for your responses so far .
we have just had an "informal "meeting with most of the community , amazing how many have taken time of today just to try and get some answers, a senior police officer also came down . Whilst he could not admit anything , he did say that housing him in an area so full of children was a mistake, even on an emergency basis. To me that says a lot,. There is going to be meeting later between the police , social services and the council, so I can only hope it will be good news .
We do have a small school in the village (45 kids in total)in fact I am a governer at this school and we have as yet not been told anything ( Ive just checked with the school)
again thank you all
as ever your support is great to have
I have to go round and pick up the kids soon but I shall keep you informed
we have just had an "informal "meeting with most of the community , amazing how many have taken time of today just to try and get some answers, a senior police officer also came down . Whilst he could not admit anything , he did say that housing him in an area so full of children was a mistake, even on an emergency basis. To me that says a lot,. There is going to be meeting later between the police , social services and the council, so I can only hope it will be good news .
We do have a small school in the village (45 kids in total)in fact I am a governer at this school and we have as yet not been told anything ( Ive just checked with the school)
again thank you all
as ever your support is great to have
I have to go round and pick up the kids soon but I shall keep you informed
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Mezagog, you my friend have a pm (well, you will once I've written it, and its an essay, so get ready
We do not have Sarah's Law yet therefore the authorities - police, housing or otherwise are under no obligation to offer you any information. BUT, you (or the child's parents) have a genuine complaint as to the manner in which this child was approached, and if you do not feel that it has been dealt with satisfactorily, complain again. Loudly. Also familiarise yourself with the NSPCC website : which carries informative booklets & other info.
IF this perosn is what you suspect, it is likley they will be on licence, and therefore reporting to probation each month/ week depending on thier individual order conditions. All reports to police MUST be acted upon, and if no action is taken due to lack of evidence, there will (should) at the very least be a report available to a probation officer logging the complaint - which in turn starts the ball rolling.
Remember though, within the community, even rumour of something ike this becomes a witch hunt, the rumour mill circulates and people, as you already suggest, start digging for information that often isnt there.
It MAY be a safehouse, or someone in temporary accomodation for whatever reason and not what you immediately suspect - that said though, I dont expect there'll be many children playing out in your area over the coming days. The circumstances of this persons arrival could be absolutely anything - be very very careful what accustaions are thrown.
Call your community beat officer yourself, - and higher if your concerns are 'dismissed' - yes, you'll ask questions to which you will get no answers, but if they know that you 'know' (or even suspect, along with others in your area, and they'll already, I would hope, have reports of the bricked windows) the police are aware that there are lessons to be learned from ignoring public concern, as illustrated in the Paulsgrove Estate riots.
watch over your kids luv, someone else will take the law into their own hands, they always do, unfortunately usually before knowing the facts.
Well said... With no REAL proof its a sad day when someone is hounded.. If and its a BIG if he is though then fair play... string the git up..
Mike
very very tricky one this, you don't have to go into detail but when the child was approached was it in a sexual way, and if so surely if the gentleman involved was on the sex offenders register like you all supect then the police would have taken it very seriously and took some sort of action or i would have thought they would. :shock:
Sex God
Quote by Darkfire
Mezagog, you my friend have a pm (well, you will once I've written it, and its an essay, so get ready
We do not have Sarah's Law yet therefore the authorities - police, housing or otherwise are under no obligation to offer you any information. BUT, you (or the child's parents) have a genuine complaint as to the manner in which this child was approached, and if you do not feel that it has been dealt with satisfactorily, complain again. Loudly. Also familiarise yourself with the NSPCC website : which carries informative booklets & other info.
IF this perosn is what you suspect, it is likley they will be on licence, and therefore reporting to probation each month/ week depending on thier individual order conditions. All reports to police MUST be acted upon, and if no action is taken due to lack of evidence, there will (should) at the very least be a report available to a probation officer logging the complaint - which in turn starts the ball rolling.
Remember though, within the community, even rumour of something ike this becomes a witch hunt, the rumour mill circulates and people, as you already suggest, start digging for information that often isnt there.
It MAY be a safehouse, or someone in temporary accomodation for whatever reason and not what you immediately suspect - that said though, I dont expect there'll be many children playing out in your area over the coming days. The circumstances of this persons arrival could be absolutely anything - be very very careful what accustaions are thrown.
Call your community beat officer yourself, - and higher if your concerns are 'dismissed' - yes, you'll ask questions to which you will get no answers, but if they know that you 'know' (or even suspect, along with others in your area, and they'll already, I would hope, have reports of the bricked windows) the police are aware that there are lessons to be learned from ignoring public concern, as illustrated in the Paulsgrove Estate riots.
watch over your kids luv, someone else will take the law into their own hands, they always do, unfortunately usually before knowing the facts.
excellent reply :thumbup:
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very very tricky one this, you don't have to go into detail but when the child was approached was it in a sexual way, and if so surely if the gentleman involved was on the sex offenders register like you all supect then the police would have taken it very seriously and took some sort of action or i would have thought they would. :shock:
You are correct, it is taken seriously, but being on a register does not make anyone guilty again. Evidence is still needed. Evidence that can be examined in court. That is the way British justice works.
That said I would like to see the gibbet back in the town square, sometimes, for the guilty. OK, not the town square.
Just a note of warning before the vigilantes get their pitchforks and burning torches out.
I worked for a Local Authority in the cleansing department. We were unable to work on one housing estate because of the behavior of the kids. On one occasion a child asked to ride on the road sweeper, when the operative refused. She said that if he didn't let her she would tell her parents that he had touched her. (little angel) The guy was absolutely distrort that this kind of thing could happen. As supervisors all we could do was withdraw all services during school holidays.
I am not saying that in the case raised here that nothing happened but you just have to be careful before retribution is carried out.
I worked for a Local Authority in the cleansing department. We were unable to work on one housing estate because of the behavior of the kids. On one occasion a child asked to ride on the road sweeper, when the operative refused. She said that if he didn't let her she would tell her parents that he had touched her. (little angel) The guy was absolutely distrort that this kind of thing could happen. As supervisors all we could do was withdraw all services during school holidays.
I am not saying that in the case raised here that nothing happened but you just have to be careful before retribution is carried out.
Thanks again everyone
good news this time .
He has gone !
He was arrested last night for making advances to another child, this time a girl in her early of these incidents were of a sexual nature. The council have stated that he will not be returning , His partner has been re housed in a local town.
The council has blamed an administrative error as the reason he was ever moved here .,Administrative error ffs!
Now all we are left with is his house with no windows and a nice example of some very to the point grafitti
This is not going to go away though we had another meeting with the council this morning and the result is a petition and demands that any future tennants are vetted in some way .The council have, in principle , agreed this will be possible , we shall see.
Thanks again everyone
good news this time .
He has gone !
He was arrested last night for making advances to another child, this time a girl in her early of these incidents were of a sexual nature. The council have stated that he will not be returning , His partner has been re housed in a local town.
The council has blamed an administrative error as the reason he was ever moved here .,Administrative error ffs!
Now all we are left with is his house with no windows and a nice example of some very to the point grafitti
This is not going to go away though we had another meeting with the council this morning and the result is a petition and demands that any future tennants are vetted in some way .The council have, in principle , agreed this will be possible , we shall see.
Thanks again everyone
im not sure how to word this, and nothing i say is intended to cause offence but...
why is it people get so up in arms about this, what im refering to is the thought a ex offended may have been housed near them.
i think if you look into the satistics that most children will suffer abuse from someone they know and probally trust. i know no one would like to live near a convicted sex offender but how do you know you not living next door to a un convicted sex offender??
you need to talk to your children and explain to them of the dangers in society, reasure them that you are there for them and they can come and talk to you. not go on a witch hunt.
if you have reasons for concern about this person then keep a log of any incidents. inform the police of your concerns and call social sevices and probation services and log your concerns.
xx fem xx
why is it people get so up in arms about this, what im refering to is the thought a ex offended may have been housed near them.
i think if you look into the satistics that most children will suffer abuse from someone they know and probally trust. i know no one would like to live near a convicted sex offender but how do you know you not living next door to a un convicted sex offender??
you need to talk to your children and explain to them of the dangers in society, reasure them that you are there for them and they can come and talk to you. not go on a witch hunt.
if you have reasons for concern about this person then keep a log of any incidents. inform the police of your concerns and call social sevices and probation services and log your concerns.
xx fem xx
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very touchy subject there are always risks whether u live in a town or village but on the other hand these people do need to live some where and to a point deserve respect like every one else not to be hounded and as was pointed out not all on the register is likely to abuse kids
Tan is right again (as always). There have been countless studies done showing that predatory abusers are actually much more of a danger underground than out in the open. Also it has to be said, that most of the hanging, flogging and burn their houses down brigade don't actually give a fuck about protecting children. They just seem to revel in having something to shout about, cheered on from the sidelines by the Sun and the News of the World.
A bit of human compassion is actually a good thing, not a bad thing.
Lonni x
I dont agree
in my previous post, I suggested waiting until the facts are known before going into panic/ vigilante mode. That's all.
I have no compassion for such people (and I'm talking specifically about offenders against children, paedophiles) whatsoever.
I dont want to get into debate about this, but thought I'd clarify before I leave this thread well alone :thumbup:
in my previous post, I suggested waiting until the facts are known before going into panic/ vigilante mode. That's all.
I have no compassion for such people (and I'm talking specifically about offenders against children, paedophiles) whatsoever.
I dont want to get into debate about this, but thought I'd clarify before I leave this thread well alone :thumbup:
Quote by mezagog
Thanks again everyone
good news this time .
He has gone !
He was arrested last night for making advances to another child, this time a girl in her early of these incidents were of a sexual nature. The council have stated that he will not be returning , His partner has been re housed in a local town.
The council has blamed an administrative error as the reason he was ever moved here .,Administrative error ffs!
Now all we are left with is his house with no windows and a nice example of some very to the point grafitti
This is not going to go away though we had another meeting with the council this morning and the result is a petition and demands that any future tennants are vetted in some way .The council have, in principle , agreed this will be possible , we shall see.
Thanks again everyone
not sure that i as single guy with no convictions would welcome being vetted
but i do agree that nonces should be strung up
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I dont agree
in my previous post, I suggested waiting until the facts are known before going into panic/ vigilante mode. That's all.
I have no compassion for such people (and I'm talking specifically about offenders against children, paedophiles) whatsoever.
I dont want to get into debate about this, but thought I'd clarify before I leave this thread well alone :thumbup:
wasnt meaning to start a debate was just meerly putting my thoughts down i tend to look at the bigger picture
Quote by Lonni
very touchy subject there are always risks whether u live in a town or village but on the other hand these people do need to live some where and to a point deserve respect like every one else not to be hounded and as was pointed out not all on the register is likely to abuse kids
Tan is right again (as always). There have been countless studies done showing that predatory abusers are actually much more of a danger underground than out in the open. Also it has to be said, that most of the hanging, flogging and burn their houses down brigade don't actually give a fuck about protecting children. They just seem to revel in having something to shout about, cheered on from the sidelines by the Sun and the News of the World.
A bit of human compassion is actually a good thing, not a bad thing.
Lonni x
good....maybe then they can all come and live next to you!
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good....maybe then they can all come and live next to you!
Another helpful contribution to the debate!
Lonni x
But a valid point. Would you welcome them coming to live next to you?
Statistics are good for showing trends. But I wouldn't want my child becomming another statistic because of an error by the authorities. If an error has occured then that person needs to be re-trained, demoted or lose their job.
We could have two registers......one for the offenders and one for those that believe in statistics where they don't mind them living next door. That way they can all be happy. This way they can all enjoy their human rights and our children can enjoy theirs.
Dave_Notts
Quote by Lonni
good....maybe then they can all come and live next to you!
Another helpful contribution to the debate!
Lonni x
Actually it is......you talk about live and let live and show some compassion for these kind of people....but will you happily have a registered sex offender living next door to you...because if you do and others like you to.....at least the authorities will know where to send them.
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..but will you happily have a registered sex offender living next door to you..
Not necessarily happily, but I wouldn't have a problem with it. I don't spend my life worrying about stuff that pretty much isn't going to happen. I don't stop flying when terrorists are blowing planes up and I don't stay away from the west-end of London when they are blowing up the tube trains.
Life is for living, not for hiding away from stuff. And I would NEVER bring my children up in a permanent state of fear about who is going to 'get them'. Sound, common sense advice, yes. A state of panic, no.
Lonni x
Quote by Lonni
..but will you happily have a registered sex offender living next door to you..
Not necessarily happily, but I wouldn't have a problem with it. I don't spend my life worrying about stuff that pretty much isn't going to happen. I don't stop flying when terrorists are blowing planes up and I don't stay away from the west-end of London when they are blowing up the tube trains.
Life is for living, not for hiding away from stuff. And I would NEVER bring my children up in a permanent state of fear about who is going to 'get them'. Sound, common sense advice, yes. A state of panic, no.
Lonni x
So you wouldn't be happy....but you wouldn't have a problem with it...hmmm.....do you have children?
As to terrorist acts.....totally different kettle of fish.....oh unless you have a member of Al Qaeda living next door to you......but that wouldn't bother you would it?
Glad to hear that your situation was sorted mezagog :thumbup:
I am (as are most parents I am sure) absolutely positive that I don't want the likes of this sick, depraved twat living in my community:
His human rights? What human rights? As far as I am concerned he has surrendered any of those the moment he thought of a child in a sexual nature.
As a single (protective) mother, my children know about 'stranger danger', my children (8 &10) know that there are bad people in the world that do want to hurt them, they know about all the cases that are shown in the news because I show them. As a responsible parent I feel the need to. I appreciate that most children who face abuse do so at the hands of a relative or someone known to the child and that random abductions like this:
(big up to the police for releasing his details)
are statistically rare-but these are usually the ones we get to hear about:
"One per cent of children experienced sexual abuse by a parent or carer and another three per cent by another relative during childhood. Eleven per cent of children experience sexual abuse by people known but unrelated to them. Five per cent of children experience sexual abuse by an adult stranger or someone they have just met."
taken from the NSPCC website: ( )
So, comparing the figures 1% of parents/carers are abusers but 5% of abused children are abused by strangers. To me both percentages are too high. But the person who is more likely to be a random abducter and sexual predator is also more likely to be a murderer ( Ian Huntley, Ian Brady, Myra Hindley, Fred and Rose West etc etc)
I have old-fashioned views and care not a jot if I am criticised for this post. While I do not condone vigilantes I fully support individuals who work to make their communities a safe place for children, I for one would not have a problem confronting a person who I believed was a threat to any child-sexual or otherwise, I have done so in the past and will do so in the future if needed.
As for re-integrating them into the community ? As if? is a disease and therefore paedophiles should not be released into a community where they can not be monitored, which is where a lot of murders begin.
I watched the interview on the news the other night where the former head of the unit fully admitted that these people can not be monitored 24/7 in the community, it kind of begs the question, "Why are these people being released in the first place?"
I am (as are most parents I am sure) absolutely positive that I don't want the likes of this sick, depraved twat living in my community:
His human rights? What human rights? As far as I am concerned he has surrendered any of those the moment he thought of a child in a sexual nature.
As a single (protective) mother, my children know about 'stranger danger', my children (8 &10) know that there are bad people in the world that do want to hurt them, they know about all the cases that are shown in the news because I show them. As a responsible parent I feel the need to. I appreciate that most children who face abuse do so at the hands of a relative or someone known to the child and that random abductions like this:
(big up to the police for releasing his details)
are statistically rare-but these are usually the ones we get to hear about:
"One per cent of children experienced sexual abuse by a parent or carer and another three per cent by another relative during childhood. Eleven per cent of children experience sexual abuse by people known but unrelated to them. Five per cent of children experience sexual abuse by an adult stranger or someone they have just met."
taken from the NSPCC website: ( )
So, comparing the figures 1% of parents/carers are abusers but 5% of abused children are abused by strangers. To me both percentages are too high. But the person who is more likely to be a random abducter and sexual predator is also more likely to be a murderer ( Ian Huntley, Ian Brady, Myra Hindley, Fred and Rose West etc etc)
I have old-fashioned views and care not a jot if I am criticised for this post. While I do not condone vigilantes I fully support individuals who work to make their communities a safe place for children, I for one would not have a problem confronting a person who I believed was a threat to any child-sexual or otherwise, I have done so in the past and will do so in the future if needed.
As for re-integrating them into the community ? As if? is a disease and therefore paedophiles should not be released into a community where they can not be monitored, which is where a lot of murders begin.
I watched the interview on the news the other night where the former head of the unit fully admitted that these people can not be monitored 24/7 in the community, it kind of begs the question, "Why are these people being released in the first place?"
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Glad to hear that your situation was sorted mezagog :thumbup:
I am (as are most parents I am sure) absolutely positive that I don't want the likes of this sick, depraved twat living in my community:
His human rights? What human rights? As far as I am concerned he has surrendered any of those the moment he thought of a child in a sexual nature.
As a single (protective) mother, my children know about 'stranger danger', my children (8 &10) know that there are bad people in the world that do want to hurt them, they know about all the cases that are shown in the news because I show them. As a responsible parent I feel the need to. I appreciate that most children who face abuse do so at the hands of a relative or someone known to the child and that random abductions like this:
(big up to the police for releasing his details)
are statistically rare-but these are usually the ones we get to hear about:
"One per cent of children experienced sexual abuse by a parent or carer and another three per cent by another relative during childhood. Eleven per cent of children experience sexual abuse by people known but unrelated to them. Five per cent of children experience sexual abuse by an adult stranger or someone they have just met."
taken from the NSPCC website: ( )
So, comparing the figures 1% of parents/carers are abusers but 5% of abused children are abused by strangers. To me both percentages are too high. But the person who is more likely to be a random abducter and sexual predator is also more likely to be a murderer ( Ian Huntley, Ian Brady, Myra Hindley, Fred and Rose West etc etc)
I have old-fashioned views and care not a jot if I am criticised for this post. While I do not condone vigilantes I fully support individuals who work to make their communities a safe place for children, I for one would not have a problem confronting a person who I believed was a threat to any child-sexual or otherwise, I have done so in the past and will do so in the future if needed.
As for re-integrating them into the community ? As if? is a disease and therefore paedophiles should not be released into a community where they can not be monitored, which is where a lot of murders begin.
I watched the interview on the news the other night where the former head of the unit fully admitted that these people can not be monitored 24/7 in the community, it kind of begs the question, "Why are these people being released in the first place?"
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