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The whole thing is a fiasco. I harp back to HMPS purely because I have the figures in front of me, pay scale increases have been set at “less than” 3% :shock:
It has been proposed that the retirement age is raised by 5 years (can anyone see a 65 yo prison officer responding to a personal alarm?) or a 65 yo police man chasing a crim through the streets?
And lets just imagine that you do your time, you pay your contributions, and you work on past retirement age. There is now no guarantee that you will ever see a penny of what you are due, ask any manual public employee why they do the low paid job they do, and 9 times out of 10 the answer will come in two parts.
1) job security
2) the guarantied index linked pension.
So now that it is becoming obvious that both 1 and 2 are flying out of the window, how the feck do these idiots think they are going to get recruits in the future? Because as far as I can see, there are no other incentives. FGS, I know people who make more money on eBay in a weekend having fun than these people earn for a 50 hour week.
The only incentive is the pension, they work hard all their lives for a pittance, just to ensure that they will be looked after in old age, take that away and there really is no point in doing the job. So who are we going to get to run our schools, hospitals, police stations. Fire & ambulance services?
Oh I know, lets import some hampsters from Albania rolleyes
Oh I hate this - as a temp, VERY hard up for cash, working for local govt at the moment, I shall have no option but to pass the picket line on Tuesday - and I will HATE every minute of it sad :(. I agree with what the strike is about but I can't afford to lose a days pay!! SORRY
aRSe :color:
Unfortunately, where I completely support the strike and all that it stands for, I shall be crossing picket lines because I have little choice in the matter. As a non-union member and a self-employed contractor and consultant, If I don't work not only do I not get paid but I also severley damage my chances of ever being asked back to that location again, which would mean that I would have to actually find a real job.
Good luck for the strike and I hope that you win.
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Oh I hate this - as a temp, VERY hard up for cash, working for local govt at the moment, I shall have no option but to pass the picket line on Tuesday - and I will HATE every minute of it sad :(. I agree with what the strike is about but I can't afford to lose a days pay!! SORRY
aRSe :color:

passionkiss
and don't the B******S sooooooooooo know it rolleyes
don't worry hun, we've all been there, and no-one on that line will think any worse of you for it.
xxx
Un-ashamed Bump.
Remember to beep, wave and support those out on a protest (I wont call this one a Strike) tomorrow
Phredd (he will be out on the line)
Just like to wish all those picketing tomorrow well, and hope the weather warms and clears for you.
I have the luxury of being able not to have to cross the line but for those who have no choice, I'm sure those picketing will understand.
Good luck and I hope someone up there notices.
H
Hope that all of you did beep , express sympathy etc when passing the places on strike!
To all of you who were on strike, I hope the day went well and not too many poeple passed your picket lline.
I'm a nurse and even though I don't work for the NHS, our pay awards are governed by their legislation. I've just had a letter form the powers that be stating that as the NHS haven't made any decision on the pay awards, we won't get anything yet. In the meantime, my car tax has risen, I noticed an increase in my insurances on all fronts and the cost of petrol is still creeping up.
I passed a picket today at our local bus depot and honked them though I'm considering giving my full support and undivided attention to the firemen just down the road :twisted:
As a fireman I emapthise with your situation entirely we were very nearly striking with you but won our case in the 25th hour, although we have had to make huge concessions and all new employees are on a differentpension scheme, I justify this to myself by saying that at least they know what they are signing up for, but in reality it was a selfish choice not to fight for them but after the damage done to the service as a result of the last strike, not to mention firefighters homelifes and marriages, we were very reluctant to strike. I am aware of the negative image presented by the media of the fire service during the strike, and I'm also aware that the public began to view us a s greedy. But in reality most are kind caring selfless individuals and that is why we joined the job. I hope this strike is more succesful an dpeople realise that th epeople involved have a valid reason to fight. In a time where taxes are high and the cost of living let alone owning a house are astronomical the last thing people need to hear is that the retirement they have been scrimping for has just been cut short. Especially when the misters who set the policy only have to work for seven years to obtain there full pension.
Are we back to the 1970s?
Do we really still have industries where taking a day off and leaving your customers in the lurch is considered a sensible way of resolving disputes with management?
Sorry, but I'm on the side of the children who are being deprived their education for a day, and the families who have suddently had to arrange to look after them at their expense.
If you have a beef with your employer, go to court, go to dispute resolution, or simply go work somewhere else, don't take it out on everyone else.
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Are we back to the 1970s?
If you have a beef with your employer, go to court, go to dispute resolution, or simply go work somewhere else, don't take it out on everyone else.

You really want everyone who works in the Public Sector to go and work elsewhere?
The majority of professionals in the Public Sector could go and work else where. I could, and I could probably double my salary by doing so :shock: If we all it that though, the country would fall to pieces.
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You really want everyone who works in the Public Sector to go and work elsewhere?

I'm not complaining about the working, it's the suddenly stopping working for a day that I'm annoyed about.
It saddens me that in this day and age people still think that stopping work is a good way to get more pay. Even the Labour party doesn't believe socialism works anymore, but in the public sector (and privatised public sector) there is still this 1970s 'them and us' attitude to management relations and a rather pathetic belief that if we hold our breath and wish hard then market forces will somehow disappear.
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You really want everyone who works in the Public Sector to go and work elsewhere?

I'm not complaining about the working, it's the suddenly stopping working for a day that I'm annoyed about.
It saddens me that in this day and age people still think that stopping work is a good way to get more pay. Even the Labour party doesn't believe socialism works anymore, but in the public sector (and privatised public sector) there is still this 1970s 'them and us' attitude to management relations and a rather pathetic belief that if we hold our breath and wish hard then market forces will somehow disappear.
It wasn't about more pay, it was about a contractual agreement regarding pensions being broken by the government.
Jas
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It wasn't about more pay, it was about a contractual agreement regarding pensions being broken by the government.
Jas
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In this case, yes, but I was making a more generalised point about strikes, and covering all bases would have made for a rather unwieldy sentence - something I'm guilty of at the best of times!
I've got no problem with the motivation for this action, the government is clearly in the wrong, it's the way that the unoins are taking it out on everyody else that I take issue with.
Call me a silly billy ........... but why is it wrong for public sector workers to have to work until they are 65 ............ same as the rest of us ?
What did I miss ? Does a Council employee work harder and longer hours than a Private sector employee ??
Sam xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
sorry .......... please dont jump on me .............. or maybe thats why I posted it :rascal:
As I understand it, people were told "pay into this optional extra pension and then you can retire on half your final pay at 60", and that's why they signed up to it and made many years of payments... now the government is trying to wriggle out of it's obligations.
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Call me a silly billy ........... but why is it wrong for public sector workers to have to work until they are 65 ............ same as the rest of us ?
What did I miss ? Does a Council employee work harder and longer hours than a Private sector employee ??
Sam xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
sorry .......... please dont jump on me .............. or maybe thats why I posted it :rascal:

No they don't do more hours etc. but they are usually lower paid than their private sector counterparts and the pension scheme has always been considered the balancing factor to entice people into these postiions. Job security used to be a factor as well but it really isn't as relevant in most areas nowadays.
To be honest there are a lot of people who won't be eligible to go at 60, however those who are, have the 85 year rule as a contractual agreement and this is what the government are trying to wriggle out of.
Hope that helps
Jas
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Mr D and Jas ........ thank you kiss
Sam xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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It is a myth to say that pension funds are in shortfall because we are all living longer...

No, it is actually true! This is why the whole pension sector is a complete shambles... not that this excuses the government's actions though.
for my two peneth worth (and I'm glad I could type that not have to say it)
I've never been employed. Since I left college 1st time I've only ever worked for myself. I've never had sick pay - holiday pay - company pension - union membership. My hourly rate was well below the minimum wage.
Yes you should be able to take action if you feel you've been duped by your employer, but as employees, many people take things for granted that should not be taken for granted.
Just thought it was worth metioning, don't hate me - beat me yes - but don't hate me.
H.