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Quote by de_sade
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As part of the governments plans to milk everybody dry in this seemingly bankrupt country (IMHO) the proposed LGPS (local government pension scheme) has initiated the requisite response from most members of various Trade Unions and a national one-day strike of all those members affected or who will / may be affected will take place on the 28th March.
This is not a political site, nor should it be (unless swinging is your politics) but this action will affect a lot of people on the site (directly and indirectly) and many more will be on the picket line (myself included) such as teachers, etc - ( though there are not many swinging teachers on this site) .
The LGPS will affect nurses, firefighters, police, etc, etc.
So if you swing and give a damn give those that will be on the picket line on Tuesday a HONK of support...And remember because so many of us will be off work Tuesday, those that aren't on PD will be posting and chatting here in SH towers. It is going to be a busy day.
Give a HONK.
De_sade
I have every sympathy for the staff who are striking but just wish it could be done another way, or better still, didn't have to be done at all. It will affect the children and it will make life even harder for their parents(many of whom are far worse off than we are) but I think most people will have some sympathy with the issues.
Sex God
as if that's not enough, apparently Charles Clarke, our Home Secretary, thinks that the Probation Service are "a knife in the heart of justice!"
:shock:
for those not in the know, Charles Clarke happens to be the boss / employer / ultimate manager type person of . . . ta daaa . . . the Probation Service!
Support your local strikers . . . cos Charles Clarke is a fuckwit!
:P
neil x x x ;)
:shock:
for those not in the know, Charles Clarke happens to be the boss / employer / ultimate manager type person of . . . ta daaa . . . the Probation Service!
Support your local strikers . . . cos Charles Clarke is a fuckwit!
:P
neil x x x ;)
Sexlightened
I'm in college at the moment, just finishing off my dissertation - hand in date next wednesday. The strike is not well timed - it's necessary but badly timed.
I am a bit put out though as our degree marking is being used as a bargaining tool, the unions have voted for the staff not to release any marks and therefore withold our degrees until the dispute agreed. Wont affect me much but for those wishing to go on to do an MA or whatever, they wont be able to apply as they wont know thier results. Not the best action for the union to take if they want the NUS on thier side.
I am a bit put out though as our degree marking is being used as a bargaining tool, the unions have voted for the staff not to release any marks and therefore withold our degrees until the dispute agreed. Wont affect me much but for those wishing to go on to do an MA or whatever, they wont be able to apply as they wont know thier results. Not the best action for the union to take if they want the NUS on thier side.
Sexlightened
Yes. I know. That's why I said the strike was needed. Was I not clear? Sorry.
Sex God
*neilinleeds would like to apologise unreservedly for suggesting that our beloved Home Sec was a complete fuckwit!*
*neilinleeds wishes to make it clear, that what he should have said, in a vague and roundabout way, was that Her Majesties Government are a complete set of :insertrudewordhere: who seem to have forgotten who elected them in the first place?!*
no, no ,no . . . . i mean . . . erm . . . they are all thoroughly decent people, acting in the best interests of the country?
except of course, one day in the last couple of months or so, all these public servants turned up at work to find that their employer had unilaterally decided to tear up all the agreements they had in place re: pension rights when they agreed to work for them, for a piss poor salary, in the first place . . . cos it's a vocation yeah . . . and they'd done that without consultation, negotiation, mediation, yadda yadda ya . . .
. . . . and then the government said "fuck off out of my office, and stop your pissing and moaning . . . it's like this . . . . deal with it!"
. . . and then of course the public at large said . . . "NOOOOOOOOO . . . .how dare you go on strike? we rely on you lot we do?"
. . . but the public at large failed to realise that if they rely on these people who choose to deliver Public Services to them, who've just been shafted by their employer, who've accepted a piss poor salary cos their pension rights kinda made up for it in the long run, then they have a duty to support them, no matter how inconvenient it might be to them, cos fuck knows, if the people that need 'em don't support 'em, no bugger else is gonna do it, are they? and then all those Public Sector workers are gonna think, "sod this for a game of soldiers, why should we bother?" and they're gonna go to the Private Sector, and then we'll all be well and truly stuffed!
. . . . and then the Labour Government, that's committed to Public Services allegedly, gets away with pulling the rug from under their feet, with the support of MrDisgustedOfHampshireWheresMyFireBrigade in the Daily Mail?
who'd have thunk it when they voted for this set of :insertrudewordhere:?
Up the workers! :thumbup: :P
MrDisgustedInLeeds x x x ;)
*neilinleeds wishes to make it clear, that what he should have said, in a vague and roundabout way, was that Her Majesties Government are a complete set of :insertrudewordhere: who seem to have forgotten who elected them in the first place?!*
no, no ,no . . . . i mean . . . erm . . . they are all thoroughly decent people, acting in the best interests of the country?
except of course, one day in the last couple of months or so, all these public servants turned up at work to find that their employer had unilaterally decided to tear up all the agreements they had in place re: pension rights when they agreed to work for them, for a piss poor salary, in the first place . . . cos it's a vocation yeah . . . and they'd done that without consultation, negotiation, mediation, yadda yadda ya . . .
. . . . and then the government said "fuck off out of my office, and stop your pissing and moaning . . . it's like this . . . . deal with it!"
. . . and then of course the public at large said . . . "NOOOOOOOOO . . . .how dare you go on strike? we rely on you lot we do?"
. . . but the public at large failed to realise that if they rely on these people who choose to deliver Public Services to them, who've just been shafted by their employer, who've accepted a piss poor salary cos their pension rights kinda made up for it in the long run, then they have a duty to support them, no matter how inconvenient it might be to them, cos fuck knows, if the people that need 'em don't support 'em, no bugger else is gonna do it, are they? and then all those Public Sector workers are gonna think, "sod this for a game of soldiers, why should we bother?" and they're gonna go to the Private Sector, and then we'll all be well and truly stuffed!
. . . . and then the Labour Government, that's committed to Public Services allegedly, gets away with pulling the rug from under their feet, with the support of MrDisgustedOfHampshireWheresMyFireBrigade in the Daily Mail?
who'd have thunk it when they voted for this set of :insertrudewordhere:?
Up the workers! :thumbup: :P
MrDisgustedInLeeds x x x ;)
Quote by neilinleeds
*neilinleeds would like to apologise unreservedly for suggesting that our beloved Home Sec was a complete fuckwit!*
*neilinleeds wishes to make it clear, that what he should have said, in a vague and roundabout way, was that Her Majesties Government are a complete set of :insertrudewordhere: who seem to have forgotten who elected them in the first place?!*
no, no ,no . . . . i mean . . . erm . . . they are all thoroughly decent people, acting in the best interests of the country?
except of course, one day in the last couple of months or so, all these public servants turned up at work to find that their employer had unilaterally decided to tear up all the agreements they had in place re: pension rights when they agreed to work for them, for a piss poor salary, in the first place . . . cos it's a vocation yeah . . . and they'd done that without consultation, negotiation, mediation, yadda yadda ya . . .
. . . . and then the government said "fuck off out of my office, and stop your pissing and moaning . . . it's like this . . . . deal with it!"
. . . and then of course the public at large said . . . "NOOOOOOOOO . . . .how dare you go on strike? we rely on you lot we do?"
. . . but the public at large failed to realise that if they rely on these people who choose to deliver Public Services to them, who've just been shafted by their employer, who've accepted a piss poor salary cos their pension rights kinda made up for it in the long run, then they have a duty to support them, no matter how inconvenient it might be to them, cos fuck knows, if the people that need 'em don't support 'em, no bugger else is gonna do it, are they? and then all those Public Sector workers are gonna think, "sod this for a game of soldiers, why should we bother?" and they're gonna go to the Private Sector, and then we'll all be well and truly stuffed!
. . . . and then the Labour Government, that's committed to Public Services allegedly, gets away with pulling the rug from under their feet, with the support of MrDisgustedOfHampshireWheresMyFireBrigade in the Daily Mail?
who'd have thunk it when they voted for this set of :insertrudewordhere:?
Up the workers! :thumbup: :P
MrDisgustedInLeeds x x x ;)
You forget the part where...................
...........not only is the pay sh*te, you are so over worked and understaffed that you are worked so hard.......................
...........you end up with a "Work Related Upper Limb Disorder" .....................
..........then tld you may lose your job as you are ........................
..................."No longer suitable to do the work involed"...............
................Bitter? Moi?
Sex God
do you know how little a prison officers can earn ?
I do feel for our bobbies, they take some deranged axe murderer into custody (very dangerous i admit,) Take 37 well armed, and armoured coppers, add 14 vans, an armoured land rover, MP5's coming out of your ears, ballistic helmets, stun grenades, a tactical deployment force, scene of crime scientific branch, contact with MI5, MI6, Interpol, Cross agency cooperation, ……. Etc etc, these are just some of the tools that your average bobby has at his disposal.
Prison officer:
A uniform, and a bit of old wood that he’s not allowed to use in case it frightens someone
oh I almost forgot, police liaison officer ffs 
Salary
Police starting rate: 20,397pa
Prison service: 11,290 pa
:dunno:
Makes sense to me ……………… NOT, you have one force that spend about 24 hours with dangerous individual, getting paid a “just about liveable wage†and you get another force that has to handle these people 24/7, who get paid peanuts ……. And you know what they say about paying peanuts……………..
I have recently come into contact with the prison service through the business I run, I have been shown all the ropes and have now had opportunity to talk to people in the service, from governors down to OSO’s
My god, no wonder its known as the “forgotten serviceâ€
I take my hat off to them all, top to bottom.
I do feel for our bobbies, they take some deranged axe murderer into custody (very dangerous i admit,) Take 37 well armed, and armoured coppers, add 14 vans, an armoured land rover, MP5's coming out of your ears, ballistic helmets, stun grenades, a tactical deployment force, scene of crime scientific branch, contact with MI5, MI6, Interpol, Cross agency cooperation, ……. Etc etc, these are just some of the tools that your average bobby has at his disposal.
Prison officer:
A uniform, and a bit of old wood that he’s not allowed to use in case it frightens someone
oh I almost forgot, police liaison officer ffs Salary
Police starting rate: 20,397pa
Prison service: 11,290 pa
:dunno:
Makes sense to me ……………… NOT, you have one force that spend about 24 hours with dangerous individual, getting paid a “just about liveable wage†and you get another force that has to handle these people 24/7, who get paid peanuts ……. And you know what they say about paying peanuts……………..
I have recently come into contact with the prison service through the business I run, I have been shown all the ropes and have now had opportunity to talk to people in the service, from governors down to OSO’s
My god, no wonder its known as the “forgotten serviceâ€
I take my hat off to them all, top to bottom.
Sexlightened
Quote by Pete_sw
do you know how little a prison officers can earn ?
I do feel for our bobbies, they take some deranged axe murderer into custody (very dangerous i admit,) Take 37 well armed, and armoured coppers, add 14 vans, an armoured land rover, MP5's coming out of your ears, ballistic helmets, stun grenades, a tactical deployment force, scene of crime scientific branch, contact with MI5, MI6, Interpol, Cross agency cooperation, ……. Etc etc, these are just some of the tools that your average bobby has at his disposal.
Prison officer:
A uniform, and a bit of old wood that he’s not allowed to use in case it frightens someone
Salary
Police starting rate: 20,397pa
Prison service: 11,290 pa
:dunno:
Makes sense to me ……………… NOT, you have one force that spend about 24 hours with dangerous individual, getting paid a “just about liveable wage†and you get another force that has to handle these people 24/7, who get paid peanuts ……. And you know what they say about paying peanuts……………..
I have recently come into contact with the prison service through the business I run, I have been shown all the ropes and have now had opportunity to talk to people in the service, from governors down to OSO’s
My god, no wonder its known as the “forgotten serviceâ€
I take my hat off to them all, top to bottom.
Thats bloody criminal! (and I'm not trying to be funny)
Who the hell decides what a job is 'worth' anyway. I'd like to see an MP live on that.
Quote by neilinleeds
*neilinleeds wishes to make it clear, that what he should have said, in a vague and roundabout way, was that Her Majesties Government are a complete set of :insertrudewordhere: who seem to have forgotten who elected them in the first place?!*
FFS NIL, I I come back after a while working instead of posting and what do I find? You making posts like this! I guess it shouldn't surprise me really, I've known you long enough and a couple of weeks couldn't dull your ability to offend me!
Let's get one thing straight shal we? Let's leave no doubt or 'wiggle room' here. I'm going to be blunt and to the point and I'm going to start being blunt and to the point in just a minute after I've berated and belittled you just a small amount more!
The fundamentals here are simple enough even for you (or even DaveJ to understand). Right, here I go, setting it straight.... Her Majesty is one, not two, not more, it should be Her Majesty's, not Her Majesties. It could be Their Majesties, but it isn't Their Majesties Government. If you can restructure the sentence so that it reads 'the x of y' (the government of Her Majesty' then it deserves the possessive apostrophe.
I hope we understand each other here!
Chris
Sex God
Quote by natandh
do you know how little a prison officers can earn ?
I do feel for our bobbies, they take some deranged axe murderer into custody (very dangerous i admit,) Take 37 well armed, and armoured coppers, add 14 vans, an armoured land rover, MP5's coming out of your ears, ballistic helmets, stun grenades, a tactical deployment force, scene of crime scientific branch, contact with MI5, MI6, Interpol, Cross agency cooperation, ……. Etc etc, these are just some of the tools that your average bobby has at his disposal.
Prison officer:
A uniform, and a bit of old wood that he’s not allowed to use in case it frightens someone
Salary
Police starting rate: 20,397pa
Prison service: 11,290 pa
:dunno:
Makes sense to me ……………… NOT, you have one force that spend about 24 hours with dangerous individual, getting paid a “just about liveable wage†and you get another force that has to handle these people 24/7, who get paid peanuts ……. And you know what they say about paying peanuts……………..
I have recently come into contact with the prison service through the business I run, I have been shown all the ropes and have now had opportunity to talk to people in the service, from governors down to OSO’s
My god, no wonder its known as the “forgotten serviceâ€
I take my hat off to them all, top to bottom.
Thats bloody criminal! (and I'm not trying to be funny)
Who the hell decides what a job is 'worth' anyway. I'd like to see an MP live on that.
I really couldn't believe it ........ then i read the "absent through sick" stats and thought, "oh i wonder why :shock: :dunno:
there is something inherantly wrong with th eway this country is run ............. but then, who am i to say :dunno: .............. :roll:
Sex God
marms you fecker . . . . i read your post and my eyes grew wider by the word, wondering WTF i'd done now FFS! i notice you had to resort to pedantry to dismiss my impassioned plea for solidarity though eh? :P ;)
and reading between the lines . . . i've been ranting again haven't i? here and elsewhere?
what do they expect . . . . everyone they work with is banged up behind their jigger 23 hours a day while they swill tea and scoff bacon sarnies . . . .
:P ;)
not sure about the starting salary in the Prison Service . . . i think it's a bit higher than that . . . but no . . . not a job i'd want for any money?
neil x x x x
and reading between the lines . . . i've been ranting again haven't i? here and elsewhere?
Quote by Pete_sw
Prison service: 11,290 pa
what do they expect . . . . everyone they work with is banged up behind their jigger 23 hours a day while they swill tea and scoff bacon sarnies . . . .
:P ;)not sure about the starting salary in the Prison Service . . . i think it's a bit higher than that . . . but no . . . not a job i'd want for any money?
neil x x x x
Sex God
Quote by neilinleeds
Prison service: 11,290 pa
what do they expect . . . . everyone they work with is banged up behind their jigger 23 hours a day while they swill tea and scoff bacon sarnies . . . .
:P ;)not sure about the starting salary in the Prison Service . . . i think it's a bit higher than that . . . but no . . . not a job i'd want for any money?
neil x x x x
I am sooooooooooo not going there Neil, It might look like that when you are on the "wrong" side of the bars, and fair play, i dear say some of us have, but having just completed an independent survey, i have to tell you, that conditions of care are far far better for prisoners than they are for HMPS staff.
note use of word "independent" no axe to grind here, just an observer, and as far as my salary quote is concerned, its in the public domain, google is your friend :lol:
An what is the point exactly ? We all "protest" now because we are going to loose out on pensions that years ago we were only too happy to sign up for and now its gone all horribly wrong, like with mortgages, negitive equity , jobs etc..... Maybe the connection you make with swinging/sex could be that we were all too busy shagging others back then to realise that we were being shafted ? Does the terms "trousers round ankles and getting caught" mean somthing now ? Its not nice to laugh at others misfortunes but I am kinda looking forward to hearing what sort of reply out of work job centre staff are going to be giving to the "So why havn't you got a job then questions" that they used to ask me !
Sex God
Quote by peenut
An what is the point exactly ? We all "protest" now because we are going to loose out on pensions that years ago we were only too happy to sign up for and now its gone all horribly wrong, like with mortgages, negitive equity , jobs etc..... Maybe the connection you make with swinging/sex could be that we were all too busy shagging others back then to realise that we were being shafted ? Does the terms "trousers round ankles and getting caught" mean somthing now ?
:shock: wtf
perhaps, for us simple folk, you need to explain your point?
Well the point is is that signing up for pension schemes seemed ok at the time but although we have every right to complain now, the situation is that there is no money in the pot !
For years we have all gone on in the expectation that all is well and laughed at those who had tried to warn us ! The only way that I can see that some sort of justice will happen now will , in simple terms will be at the cost your/my/ somebodies job ! And "staff wages" are number one cost, property can be liquidated ( sold) , assets can be liquidated ( turned into cash) but staff are worthless. no resale value you see. And the service that those people provided? err "offshoring" transfer to the 3rd world countries, and pay people out there 10 quid a month for a 50 hour week, no bothersome things like H&S, unions, employment contracts or pensions !
For years we have all gone on in the expectation that all is well and laughed at those who had tried to warn us ! The only way that I can see that some sort of justice will happen now will , in simple terms will be at the cost your/my/ somebodies job ! And "staff wages" are number one cost, property can be liquidated ( sold) , assets can be liquidated ( turned into cash) but staff are worthless. no resale value you see. And the service that those people provided? err "offshoring" transfer to the 3rd world countries, and pay people out there 10 quid a month for a 50 hour week, no bothersome things like H&S, unions, employment contracts or pensions !
Orgasminator
While I agree that thoes people who signed up to an agreed pension should be entitled to that penstion... I also disagree that a huge proportion of council tax is now being used directly to pay the agreed pension schemes and to top up the system so future comitments to people who are yet to retire get the pension they are entitled to.
The problem is that as its ultimatly HMG and local covernement that has "mis sold" the pension schemes we're fucked either way... either as a tax payer or as a pension holder or a mix of both...
While its ok for the covernment to prosecute private businesses and take money out of the profit they make if they mis sell pensions how can the same be done to covernment without impacting all the innocent victems of convernment and its crappy and ill concieved idea of acounting.
Lets face it, one of the main reasons for moving and promoting pensions over to the private sector was cos they knew they were in deep shit and had squandered all the NI contributions for non "insurance" related expenditure and also used NI as a hidden tax so they could say "we have not up up income tax."
The people should not be afraid of the covernments, covernments should be afraid fo the people!
The problem is that as its ultimatly HMG and local covernement that has "mis sold" the pension schemes we're fucked either way... either as a tax payer or as a pension holder or a mix of both...
While its ok for the covernment to prosecute private businesses and take money out of the profit they make if they mis sell pensions how can the same be done to covernment without impacting all the innocent victems of convernment and its crappy and ill concieved idea of acounting.
Lets face it, one of the main reasons for moving and promoting pensions over to the private sector was cos they knew they were in deep shit and had squandered all the NI contributions for non "insurance" related expenditure and also used NI as a hidden tax so they could say "we have not up up income tax."
The people should not be afraid of the covernments, covernments should be afraid fo the people!
Sex God
Quote by peenut
An what is the point exactly ? We all "protest" now because we are going to loose out on pensions that years ago we were only too happy to sign up for and now its gone all horribly wrong, like with mortgages, negitive equity , jobs etc..... Maybe the connection you make with swinging/sex could be that we were all too busy shagging others back then to realise that we were being shafted ? Does the terms "trousers round ankles and getting caught" mean somthing now ? Its not nice to laugh at others misfortunes but I am kinda looking forward to hearing what sort of reply out of work job centre staff are going to be giving to the "So why havn't you got a job then questions" that they used to ask me !
well round these parts, the phrase is "you've had had me fookin' strides down fella!"
not sure what your saying?
the point is, those pension rights they were all "Happy to sign up to" have been revoked! people have worked their arse off for the government only to find that the pension rights they were promised have been renegued upon! it certainly IS an issue when government, of all people, choose to dishonour their contractual obligations? kind of sets a precedent for the country, and says to all the crap employers out there "well . . . if it's O.K. for government, it's O.K. for us?!"
it's a small matter of the whole "Social Contract" that's apparently quite important in a democracy re: rights and responsibilities?
i.e. "you have no rights . . . we have no responsibilities?" :dunno:
bit crap when that comes from No. 10! twats!
neil x x x ;)
OK just once more guys !
My point is its too late !
Even if the Government "pay up " they are going to clawback that money by cutting Jobs.
and that means more unemployment and lack of services..
You may get your pension but make sure you don't get ill because there will be no hospital and keep driving your car because there will be no bus ! Oh and "buy a shotgun" because there will be no police .in short take your money and run !
My point is its too late !
Even if the Government "pay up " they are going to clawback that money by cutting Jobs.
and that means more unemployment and lack of services..
You may get your pension but make sure you don't get ill because there will be no hospital and keep driving your car because there will be no bus ! Oh and "buy a shotgun" because there will be no police .in short take your money and run !
Quote by piercedJon
While I agree that thoes people who signed up to an agreed pension should be entitled to that penstion... I also disagree that a huge proportion of council tax is now being used directly to pay the agreed pension schemes and to top up the system so future comitments to people who are yet to retire get the pension they are entitled to.
The problem is that as its ultimatly HMG and local covernement that has "mis sold" the pension schemes we're fucked either way... either as a tax payer or as a pension holder or a mix of both...
While its ok for the covernment to prosecute private businesses and take money out of the profit they make if they mis sell pensions how can the same be done to covernment without impacting all the innocent victems of convernment and its crappy and ill concieved idea of acounting.
Lets face it, one of the main reasons for moving and promoting pensions over to the private sector was cos they knew they were in deep shit and had squandered all the NI contributions for non "insurance" related expenditure and also used NI as a hidden tax so they could say "we have not up up income tax."
The people should not be afraid of the covernments, covernments should be afraid fo the people!
Totally agree - It's ironic that at a time when their self awarded pay, perks and conditions are better than ever, our glorious leaders have been handing away responsibility to Europe, delegating power to Wales and Scotland and creating quangos to take the flak when the shit hits the fan.
My other half recently got a letter telling her she needed to pay something like £1500 to ensure she secured her state pension rights for years when she wasn't working. Yeah really! Sure is a good idea to pay now for a pension you are unlikely ever to get - by the time she reaches whatever retirement age is current (if indeed there is one then!), the goalposts will have been moved many a time and you can bet things won't have got easier. Paying now is simply giving HMG money to squander now and get themselves out of the massive hole they've created. My advice, invest the money but don't pay it into the Nat Ins. system.
Sexlightened
Quote by peenut
OK just once more guys !
My point is its too late !
Even if the Government "pay up " they are going to clawback that money by cutting Jobs.
and that means more unemployment and lack of services..
You may get your pension but make sure you don't get ill because there will be no hospital and keep driving your car because there will be no bus ! Oh and "buy a shotgun" because there will be no police .in short take your money and run !
I agree to a cirtain extent, what's the point of striking if there's no money there to stike for. But surely the people who decided that this was the best thing to do are the same people who award themselves payrises above and beyond inflation. The amount of money waisted on burocracy in this country is appauling.
Quote by natandh
OK just once more guys !
My point is its too late !
Even if the Government "pay up " they are going to clawback that money by cutting Jobs.
and that means more unemployment and lack of services..
You may get your pension but make sure you don't get ill because there will be no hospital and keep driving your car because there will be no bus ! Oh and "buy a shotgun" because there will be no police .in short take your money and run !
I agree to a cirtain extent, what's the point of striking if there's no money there to stike for. But surely the people who decided that this was the best thing to do are the same people who award themselves payrises above and beyond inflation. The amount of money waisted on burocracy in this country is appauling.
Too true - why is it that there are as many administrators in the NHS as there are medical workers ? (when the government spend more each year on health - is this what they mean ?)
The police forces are 'on their knees' as they just don't have resources (i.e. people) any more to cope.
The point of striking is to make an issue of this situation - if no-one says anything, it becomes accepted. FFS we should ALL be shouting about this right now. I'm not a fan of strike action, but to revoke peoples rights is bang out of order, and if it's not dealt with in an appropriate manner, as someone else said, it's going to be carte blanche for the next stupid f***ing idea !
Quote by natandh
I agree to a cirtain extent, what's the point of striking if there's no money there to stike for. But surely the people who decided that this was the best thing to do are the same people who award themselves payrises above and beyond inflation. The amount of money waisted on burocracy in this country is appauling.
I must say you are wrong on this. The people who decided this are the rank and file and NOT those who give themselves fat pay awards.
Being both a nurse (SRN) (C344) and later on in Logisitics for the NHS before retirement I could see were the money was going. It was not on the Nursing side thats for sure.
One answer to it all would be to bring back into the NHS the hospital Matron and the local HMC (hospital management committee).
Thirty years ago nursing a patient meant "hands on" nursing, These days it is nearly all "electronic" . No I am not blaming the nurses/doctors for this. The blame falls at the feet of Management.
Off my soapbox now, and yes I will be out with the people on Tuesday.
phredd
Quote by Medic_1
I agree to a cirtain extent, what's the point of striking if there's no money there to stike for. But surely the people who decided that this was the best thing to do are the same people who award themselves payrises above and beyond inflation. The amount of money waisted on burocracy in this country is appauling.
I must say you are wrong on this. The people who decided this are the rank and file and NOT those who give themselves fat pay awards.
Being both a nurse (SRN) (C344) and later on in Logisitics for the NHS before retirement I could see were the money was going. It was not on the Nursing side thats for sure.
One answer to it all would be to bring back into the NHS the hospital Matron and the local HMC (hospital management committee).
Thirty years ago nursing a patient meant "hands on" nursing, These days it is nearly all "electronic" . No I am not blaming the nurses/doctors for this. The blame falls at the feet of Management.
Off my soapbox now, and yes I will be out with the people on Tuesday.
phredd
And where have the numbers of staff and wage bills really mushroomed? Managers and administrators? We have more MP's than ever yet we're worse served by them than ever. We have more managers etc. in hospitals etc. and the same applies. The trouble is that basic but much needed medical equipment isn't sexy or worthy of headlines - those in charge would much rather congratulate themselves on carpets, flat screen monitors, lush carpets and posh plants whilst patients die of MRSA because the cleaning's done on the cheap!
I've not read all the way through but part of the reason we're striking is the double standards of the proposed legislation. I work in FE .. my colleagues train adults students in IT all day but due to a loophole, are no longer being classed as lecturers, so Fred Bloggs next door who trains kids gets all his rights, but my colleagues who train adults don't! Where's the fairness in that?
I'm fortunate in that I have a private pension scheme but in principle I support all those on strike. We've no picket lines as our "god" has closed the whole college for the day.
C x
I'm fortunate in that I have a private pension scheme but in principle I support all those on strike. We've no picket lines as our "god" has closed the whole college for the day.
C x
Quote by Calista
I've not read all the way through but part of the reason we're striking is the double standards of the proposed legislation. I work in FE .. my colleagues train adults students in IT all day but due to a loophole, are no longer being classed as lecturers, so Fred Bloggs next door who trains kids gets all his rights, but my colleagues who train adults don't! Where's the fairness in that?
I'm fortunate in that I have a private pension scheme but in principle I support all those on strike. We've no picket lines as our "god" has closed the whole college for the day.
C x
Yeah but your private pension scheme is only worth what the market says it is at any given time. If HMG gets it badly wrong as we all know it has done, it won't be too long before the market refelcts that and your private pension is worth a fraction fo what it was. Is HMG gonna bail you out??? I think not.
