Private or State....?

12 Oct 2005

Hi,
A few of us were discussing this in work today....Private or Public schools for our childrens education. I'd like to add at this point both my girls (currently at college) went to a public state school and are doing fine.
I was suprised how many of my colleagues children are attending Private education?
What's your preferred choice?
CheekyChimp..... cool

12 Oct 2005

As long as you can find a public school that suits the child and gives a good standard of education, I don't see the point in private dunno

All our kids go to public school and will continue to do so biggrin

12 Oct 2005

bloody bording school if i could afford it lol
no, really, my kids have gone to your average comp, its done them fine, i think its more a question down here what can the kid give the school, if they want to learn then there are great teachers and schools here , if they dont then no amount of private education will make them enjoy school.
i guess were lucky living in cornwall, i gather things are not so rosy further up the line?
maybe my attitude is wrong, i think learning should be fun and a happy kid is whats important. Well as long as they are not happy breaking into cars etc.
their moral education should be installed at home aswel, too many parents expect the school to teach everything.
xx lou xxx
ok my spelling isnt the best advert to public schools is it?

12 Oct 2005

Quote by Dawn_Mids
As long as you can find a public school that suits the child and gives a good standard of education, I don't see the point in private
All our kids go to public school and will continue to do so

I agree with you.....and its a good point....the parents today never once mentioned the thoughts of the children..!
CheekyChimp.... cool

12 Oct 2005

Quote by fem_4_taboo
the moral education should be installed at home aswel, to many parents leve school to teach everything.
xx lou xxx

That's soooo true...... wink

CheekyChimp.... cool

12 Oct 2005

Surely the major factor between public and state education is the attitude of parens. Parents who sned their children to Public school are usually parents who want the best for their kids and as well as paying 'extra' fr good education, also invest in the childs attitude towards education as well as school work. State scholls have similar parents but also others who couldnt really give a stuf and see education purely as a role the scholl fulfills.

12 Oct 2005

Quote by pleasureseeker
Surely the major factor between public and state education is the attitude of parens. Parents who sned their children to Public school are usually parents who want the best for their kids and as well as paying 'extra' fr good education, also invest in the childs attitude towards education as well as school work. State scholls have similar parents but also others who couldnt really give a stuf and see education purely as a role the scholl fulfills.

Hmmmm Bollox biggrin

12 Oct 2005

Do you mean state school, as in not paid for? I'm assuming you do - I think public and private schools are the same thing.
State school every time Chimpy.
But then I would say that, being a teacher in a state school. I was off poorly last week and the supply teacher who was brought in to teach my class, scared them half to death. He was so stuck up, the staff all disliked him. He expressed relief at the fact that he was only working there for a week and said that all the kids would either end up as mechanics or builders. Like they don't if they attend private school. Can't see tha problem with that anyway, we all need mechanics and builders at some point. I'd rather that any teacher with that attitude didn't teach my children, whether it was in state or private school.

12 Oct 2005

I went to state comprehensive and turned out alright. Academically at least :uhoh:
It also depends on the quality of teaching, the pupil to teacher ratio and on the individual student. Private schools offer better quality of education, more in-depth and one to one tutoring than state schools, but that does not necessarily mean they produce the best pupils.

12 Oct 2005

Quote by freckledbird
Do you mean state school, as in not paid for? I'm assuming you do - I think public and private schools are the same thing.
State school every time Chimpy.
But then I would say that, being a teacher in a state school. I was off poorly last week and the supply teacher who was brought in to teach my class, scared them half to death. He was so stuck up, the staff all disliked him. He expressed relief at the fact that he was only working there for a week and said that all the kids would either end up as mechanics or builders. Like they don't if they attend private school. Can't see tha problem with that anyway, we all need mechanics and builders at some point. I'd rather that any teacher with that attitude didn't teach my children, whether it was in state or private school.

I agree with you.....any Yes, thanks FB.....I mean Private versus State education...you can tell which type of school I attended..!
CheekyChimp.... cool

12 Oct 2005

Quote by pleasureseeker
Surely the major factor between public and state education is the attitude of parens. Parents who sned their children to Public school are usually parents who want the best for their kids and as well as paying 'extra' fr good education, also invest in the childs attitude towards education as well as school work. State scholls have similar parents but also others who couldnt really give a stuf and see education purely as a role the scholl fulfills.

You don't necessarily get a better education in a private school. The teachers are all taught at the same universities. You also get parents who work abroad etcetera, who want their child to have an English education, so send their children to boarding school. Private schools will also have their share of parents who couldn't really give a stuff and see education as a role which the school fulfils.

12 Oct 2005

Quote by bigDewi69
I went to state comprehensive and turned out alright. Academically at least :uhoh:
It also depends on the quality of teaching, the pupil to teacher ratio and on the individual student. Private schools offer better quality of education, more in-depth and one to one tutoring than state schools, but that does not necessarily mean they produce the best pupils.

Sorry Dewi but I have to disagree; private schools often have a higher ratio of teachers to pupils but they don't offer a better education than a state school. They offer more pastoral support because the kids don't have as much contact with parents to get that.

12 Oct 2005

Quote by Dawn_Mids
Surely the major factor between public and state education is the attitude of parens. Parents who sned their children to Public school are usually parents who want the best for their kids and as well as paying 'extra' fr good education, also invest in the childs attitude towards education as well as school work. State scholls have similar parents but also others who couldnt really give a stuf and see education purely as a role the scholl fulfills.

Hmmmm Bollox biggrin

Good well reasoned argument

12 Oct 2005

Just to throw an extra dimension in ................
what about home education? Statistics show that home education is on the rise although I'm not up with the actual figures on success rates, there are more resources and support available.
I know a number of people who HE and considered it myself unfortunately I don;t have the patience and my children are far more suited to being in state school.
C x

12 Oct 2005

Quote by freckledbird
I went to state comprehensive and turned out alright. Academically at least :uhoh:
It also depends on the quality of teaching, the pupil to teacher ratio and on the individual student. Private schools offer better quality of education, more in-depth and one to one tutoring than state schools, but that does not necessarily mean they produce the best pupils.

Sorry Dewi but I have to disagree; private schools often have a higher ratio of teachers to pupils but they don't offer a better education than a state school. They offer more pastoral support because the kids don't have as much contact with parents to get that.
The majority, if not all the poeple talking in work today haven't sent their kids to boarding schools.....ages discussed were between 7 and 11.....and obviously lived at home.
CheekyChimp.... cool

12 Oct 2005

Quote by pleasureseeker
Surely the major factor between public and state education is the attitude of parens. Parents who sned their children to Public school are usually parents who want the best for their kids and as well as paying 'extra' fr good education, also invest in the childs attitude towards education as well as school work. State scholls have similar parents but also others who couldnt really give a stuf and see education purely as a role the scholl fulfills.

Hmmmm Bollox biggrin

Good well reasoned argument
I thought so but then I went to a public school :doh:

12 Oct 2005

Quote by Calista
Just to throw an extra dimension in ................
what about home education? Statistics show that home education is on the rise although I'm not up with the actual figures on success rates, there are more resources and support available.
I know a number of people who HE and considered it myself unfortunately I don;t have the patience and my children are far more suited to being in state school.
C x

It's a good point.....time, patience & support are the key success with this option......I imagine..!
CheekyChimp.... cool

12 Oct 2005

you also need lots of money for this to be viable, lots of parents have neither the financial backup or skills to even consider this option

12 Oct 2005

Quote by pleasureseeker
you also need lots of money for this to be viable, lots of parents have neither the financial backup or skills to even consider this option

which option? Homeschooling? it's not as expensive as you think .. although I agree totally with skill ... The people I know who do are well educated but earn no more than the average wage.
C x

12 Oct 2005

Quote by Calista
you also need lots of money for this to be viable, lots of parents have neither the financial backup or skills to even consider this option

which option? Homeschooling? it's not as expensive as you think .. although I agree totally with skill ... The people I know who do are well educated but earn no more than the average wage.
C x
most families need parents to be bringing wages, if a parent is teaching at home, how do they manage this and bring in the readies?

12 Oct 2005

Quote by freckledbird
Do you mean state school, as in not paid for? I'm assuming you do - I think public and private schools are the same thing.
State school every time Chimpy.
But then I would say that, being a teacher in a state school. I was off poorly last week and the supply teacher who was brought in to teach my class, scared them half to death. He was so stuck up, the staff all disliked him. He expressed relief at the fact that he was only working there for a week and said that all the kids would either end up as mechanics or builders. Like they don't if they attend private school. Can't see tha problem with that anyway, we all need mechanics and builders at some point. I'd rather that any teacher with that attitude didn't teach my children, whether it was in state or private school.

spelling mistake FB
third line up ......'.can't see THA'
lol

:lol: :lol: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

12 Oct 2005

Quote by pleasureseeker
you also need lots of money for this to be viable, lots of parents have neither the financial backup or skills to even consider this option

which option? Homeschooling? it's not as expensive as you think .. although I agree totally with skill ... The people I know who do are well educated but earn no more than the average wage.
C x
most families need parents to be bringing wages, if a parent is teaching at home, how do they manage this and bring in the readies?
By thinking outside of the box, homeworking, part-time working, flexible hours, one person working, downsizing!!
There are countless thousands of parents who stay at home for one reason or another, and I'm not suggesting home-working works for everyone just that it's on the increase.
I guess you have to balance whether education or high status lifestyle is more important!
Cx

12 Oct 2005

Just had it pointed out in PM :shock: but it had already been quoted confused

Bollocks. :shock:

12 Oct 2005

Quote by kazswallows
Do you mean state school, as in not paid for? I'm assuming you do - I think public and private schools are the same thing.
State school every time Chimpy.
But then I would say that, being a teacher in a state school. I was off poorly last week and the supply teacher who was brought in to teach my class, scared them half to death. He was so stuck up, the staff all disliked him. He expressed relief at the fact that he was only working there for a week and said that all the kids would either end up as mechanics or builders. Like they don't if they attend private school. Can't see tha problem with that anyway, we all need mechanics and builders at some point. I'd rather that any teacher with that attitude didn't teach my children, whether it was in state or private school.

spelling mistake FB
third line up ......'.can't see THA'
lol

:lol: :lol: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:[/quote
Ooooh.....well spotted..... wink

CheekyChimp...... cool

12 Oct 2005

Quote by Calista
you also need lots of money for this to be viable, lots of parents have neither the financial backup or skills to even consider this option

which option? Homeschooling? it's not as expensive as you think .. although I agree totally with skill ... The people I know who do are well educated but earn no more than the average wage.
C x
most families need parents to be bringing wages, if a parent is teaching at home, how do they manage this and bring in the readies?
By thinking outside of the box, homeworking, part-time working, flexible hours, one person working, downsizing!!
There are countless thousands of parents who stay at home for one reason or another, and I'm not suggesting home-working works for everyone just that it's on the increase.
I guess you have to balance whether education or high status lifestyle is more important!
Cx
Cal, the options you have listed simply arent available to many parents, most parents priorities are paying bills etc rather than deciding wether to keep a butler on or let him go.

12 Oct 2005

Quote by Calista
Just to throw an extra dimension in ................
what about home education? Statistics show that home education is on the rise although I'm not up with the actual figures on success rates, there are more resources and support available.
I know a number of people who HE and considered it myself unfortunately I don;t have the patience and my children are far more suited to being in state school.
C x

I'm guessing that home education, if done right, can be very effective in terms of teaching yer ABC's and 123's, but what I can't see is where the child gets social interaction training/experiances that to my mind is pretty important. The ability to interact with other people is still hugely important in the development of kids and still important in our everyday lives and whilst the very machines that we are all useing to post with, are gradually eroding the need to communicate face to face with others, it will be sometime yet before the advancements in technology allow all of us to regress back to caveman status albeit hi-tec caves with the subsequent effects that this will have on human interactions. Wether we call it being 'streetwise' or wether we call it 'social skilling' there is still in my opinion a real need for kids to be taught in an environment that forces them to mix and interact with as broader range of people as possible.

12 Oct 2005

Quote by freckledbird
Just had it pointed out in PM :shock: but it had already been quoted
Bollocks. :shock:

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sorry for the hijack

12 Oct 2005

Quote by kazswallows
Just had it pointed out in PM :shock: but it had already been quoted
Bollocks. :shock:

:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: kiss

sorry for the hijack
Can you be bribed not to tell Postie :twisted:

12 Oct 2005

Quote by pleasureseeker
you also need lots of money for this to be viable, lots of parents have neither the financial backup or skills to even consider this option

which option? Homeschooling? it's not as expensive as you think .. although I agree totally with skill ... The people I know who do are well educated but earn no more than the average wage.
C x
most families need parents to be bringing wages, if a parent is teaching at home, how do they manage this and bring in the readies?
By thinking outside of the box, homeworking, part-time working, flexible hours, one person working, downsizing!!
There are countless thousands of parents who stay at home for one reason or another, and I'm not suggesting home-working works for everyone just that it's on the increase.
I guess you have to balance whether education or high status lifestyle is more important!
Cx
Cal, the options you have listed simply arent available to many parents, most parents priorities are paying bills etc rather than deciding wether to keep a butler on or let him go.
:lmao: your talking to a parent who has only just returned to work full time, has a hubby in full-time education and ran a business from home, I considered it for a long time and definitely would have managed. It isn't about cost and I have already stated I don't believe it is for everyone, but it would have cost me about Â£300 a year!!!!
To those parents who believe it's importance and viability ... it's an option trust me.
If you don't believe me then go and look up home educators on the net and find the resources. You can get a copy of the national curriculum to fit "lessons" around most major cities have support groups which meet regularly and a lot of resources are free, museums, libraries, nature reserves, parks.
added in edit: As for social aspects, apart from the support groups; library book groups, brownies, scouts, girls/boys brigade, other extra curricular lessons such as dance, sport, music groups all make for excellent opportunities.
C x

12 Oct 2005

Quote by freckledbird
Just had it pointed out in PM :shock: but it had already been quoted
Bollocks. :shock:

:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: kiss

sorry for the hijack
Can you be bribed not to tell Postie :twisted:
I certainly can.... :twisted:
CheekyChimp.... wink