Reflexology - a vital question.....

16 Jun 2006

Quote by 295466
I thought I would just say a word before I am hung drawn and quartered!
The prime purpose for giving therapy was to see if I could help aleviate arthritic conditions and to make a living. However, like most men and probably some women (even lesbians) I am always on the look out for any additional titivation that might cum my way in the same way some blokes take a peek up secretaries skirts in an office and some woman leer at fellas bums. I'm not saying its right or wrong just that it happens - human nature. In my view if a little pleasure comes with the job and it does neither party any harm then whats the problem?
If you are distrurbed by this sort of harmless fun then I really don't think you live in the real world. I can certainly think of a lot more perverted activies going on which really should disturb you.

An attempt at justification if ever I heard one! In my humble opinion you are speaking for yourself. To think that if you don't believe that everyone at work is gaining some SEXUAL pleasure (titivation!) isn't living in the real world I would suggest it were you that weren't living in the 'normal' world. And trying to say that are worse and more peverted things happening in the world really is a flimsy argument.
Ok let me ask you this if I may... if you had a young daughter who went to the Doctors to be examined and the Doctor got sexual enjoyment (no matter how little) from touching her would this be acceptable? Would it be acceptable if she were 12? Or more acceptable when she was 22? Who makes the rules, the very rules that are meant to protect us from behaviour like yours.
My point is that when you are seeking out a professional service like you offer you don't expect to be perved over because you are supposed to be able to TRUST that person! Looking at a mans bum as he walks past is completely different because in essence you are molesting him, just watching from afar.
Rarely do I criticise people openly as it's really not in my nature, but you really are a person who needs a few things pointed out to you - again in my opinion.
If I were paying you to give me a foot massage and you gave me any sign that you were enjoying it sexualy, I would happily and rather swiftly kick you in your b*ll*cks and then report you to the police, as you are undoubtedly breaking some law or code of conduct.
You my friend have a very warped view of the way the world works and I would suggest you tell your family/wife/friends about your behaviour and see if they agree me or you.

20 Jun 2006

What... no reply 295466? poke

Surely that would only serve to fuel my own belief in how right I am?
Yeah I know your not meant to pick at a scab but I feel VERY strongly about this subject.
evil

4 Jul 2006

Hopefully time has allowed the scab to heal and to maybe show that nobody else feels strongly enough to support your view.
My main request is that you carefully read my messages. I would highglight the following key points:-
1). I state that I may have been right or wrong but my main arguement is that it happens in varying degrees in all walks of life and professions. On this point I'm afraid you are wrong. Unlike most I will admit my own harmless fetish.'
2).I take exception to your inference that I am some sort of . The youngest person I gave therapy to was in their was pleasurable for both parties and there was no noticeable sexual reaction on my part. In some cases I was also able to relieve pain.
3).I think you are trying to say that there is a difference in leering at someone in the street and maybe getting a modicum of sexual pleasure from massaging a mature woman's feet. I personally think that this is a grey area. For example, where do all the guys/girls stand that may wack off to your photos, magazines, internet porn etc.? Of course direct physical contact may have a bearing but it must be considered in context.
To conclude. I still think that you probably need to stop burying your head in the sand and face up to reality.
and....finally please be very cearful in reading other people's messages and take extreem care in how you word your response.
Quits - I hope!
smile

4 Jul 2006

Quote by 295466
Hopefully time has allowed the scab to heal and to maybe show that nobody else feels strongly enough to support your view.
My main request is that you carefully read my messages. I would highglight the following key points:-
1). I state that I may have been right or wrong but my main arguement is that it happens in varying degrees in all walks of life and professions. On this point I'm afraid you are wrong. Unlike most I will admit my own harmless fetish.'
2). I take exception to your inference that I am some sort of . The youngest person I gave therapy to was in their was pleasurable for both parties and there was no noticeable sexual reaction on my part. In some cases I was also able to relieve pain.
3). I think you are trying to say that there is a difference in leering at someone in the street and maybe getting a modicum of sexual pleasure from massaging a mature woman's feet. I personally think that this is a grey area. For example, where do all the guys/girls stand that may wack off to your photos, magazines, internet porn etc.? Of course direct physical contact may have a bearing but it must be considered in context.
To conclude. I still think that you probably need to stop burying your head in the sand and face up to reality.
and....finally please be very cearful in reading other people's messages and take extreem care in how you word your response.
Quits - I hope!

With that parting shot I very much doubt it. I was asking you how would you feel if a GP had a fetish for 16 year old girls and merely examining them made him aroused... how would you feel if that girl was your daughter?
And as for you view that I'm simply burrying my head in the sand... your patronising musings really don't hold any substance. Yes there are people out there who touch others during their professional worklife, but if they seek it out because they gain sexual gratification from it, I think most decent humans would agree with me.
Sadly for you you have a rather misguided belief that because people didn't back me up you have some how been vindicated! I simply experienced that as others could see that I can hold my own and that I don't need rescueing or saving when it comes to my morals.
I guess your self justification is your way of dealing with your inner feelings and emotions about something which deep down you know is wrong - why else would you have posed your original question in the first place.

4 Jul 2006

just for the record.....
I agree with everything that kiss_me has said..... I never got involved with this when it was being discussed previously as I was too revolted by your meanderings and justifications.
I don't have anything to add to what k_m has said,.... but to put it into my own words... if anyone who had to touch me for anything medical or professional of any sort ...got any sexual gratification from the contact they would be prosecuted by me.
As a professional with a code of conduct to govern me when having "contact" with clients the fact that you can be deemed as anything resembling a professional scares me. I hope that whoever supervises you realises your predilection for preying on unsuspecting clients.
There is a difference from people leering at others on the street. The person walking is not paying the leerer for a service and getting leered at as well.
Of course the pictures we post on here are going to get perved atâ€¦. This is a sight about people having sex, fun, meeting new people etc etcâ€¦ what you are offering is a professional service and getting paid and sexual gratification.
It is the deception and your arrogance that there are others who do the same and worse and it is ok that are some of the problems here.
You are at best immoral and repugnant, at worst a criminal who should be prosecuted.

4 Jul 2006

I must say as a professional masseur I am too busy concentrating on what I'm doing to allow sexual thoughts to enter my head. But that's just me!

4 Jul 2006

Quote by 295466
A load of bollox IMHO

I think the only reason that no one felt the need to support Kiss_Me's views is because for a lot of us it said it all as simple as that. But non the less good luck to you and as you have said you are honest about your plans I can assume you will tell patients before treatment that you may gain pleasure or arousal from doing so and also let us know where you are practicing. Like ya said your being honest wink

4 Jul 2006

Quote by splendid33
just for the record.....
I agree with everything that kiss_me has said..... I never got involved with this when it was being discussed previously as I was too revolted by your meanderings and justifications.
I don't have anything to add to what k_m has said,.... but to put it into my own words... if anyone who had to touch me for anything medical or professional of any sort ...got any sexual gratification from the contact they would be prosecuted by me.
As a professional with a code of conduct to govern me when having "contact" with clients the fact that you can be deemed as anything resembling a professional scares me. I hope that whoever supervises you realises your predilection for preying on unsuspecting clients.
There is a difference from people leering at others on the street. The person walking is not paying the leerer for a service and getting leered at as well.
Of course the pictures we post on here are going to get perved atâ€¦. This is a sight about people having sex, fun, meeting new people etc etcâ€¦ what you are offering is a professional service and getting paid and sexual gratification.
It is the deception and your arrogance that there are others who do the same and worse and it is ok that are some of the problems here.
You are at best immoral and repugnant, at worst a criminal who should be prosecuted.

I'll just quote splendid cos she's said everything I wanted to but soo much better

4 Jul 2006

Thanks Splendid and Sheddy!
:thumbup:

5 Jul 2006

Disturbing memories of those in various professions who have been found out to be misusing their position of trust from the vulnerable public
It is the very immorality & arrogance of those people that we all detest
I do hope you reconsider asking anybody to validate your perception that we the public should accept your fantasy
Just because members of SH are willing to express free thinking & free speech I think it totally wrong to 'practise' my own perverted pleasures on ANYONE unsuspecting in any way shape or form...
I put it to you Sir that there are many forms of ... not just physical!
please sit down & think very carefully about your next action.

5 Jul 2006

Reckon a Therapist is gonna one day be Grinning a bit too broadly, and taking a bit to long over a young lady and end up with one of those feet he loves so much crunching into his Mush...
Y'wanna watch yourself Chap.. I reckon you'll probably give yourself away and get one in the chops...

8 Jul 2006

This is a very difficult subject to comment on. On one hand I know he doesn't mean it badly - he's just phrased it badly. On the other hand, I am thinking of the anaesthesiologist at the hospital who had a good feel of my breasts and belly supposedly for anaesthetic reasons... yeah right! I wonder why all the anaesthiologists I've seen before were content to just look into my mouth and make me move my head but he had to check out my tits and big belly! I feel annoyed because this is one situation you can't really tell the other guy off or report him - he'll say he was just doing his job.
For the record, I didn't get aroused by his touch.

8 Jul 2006

Quote by Tania
This is a very difficult subject to comment on. On one hand I know he doesn't mean it badly - he's just phrased it badly. On the other hand, I am thinking of the anaesthesiologist at the hospital who had a good feel of my breasts and belly supposedly for anaesthetic reasons... yeah right! I wonder why all the anaesthiologists I've seen before were content to just look into my mouth and make me move my head but he had to check out my tits and big belly! I feel annoyed because this is one situation you can't really tell the other guy off or report him - he'll say he was just doing his job.
For the record, I didn't get aroused by his touch.

Of course you can report him if he touched you in an appropriate way Tania! That's how people like that get away with doing such things. Though why we need to know whether you were aroused or not, baffles me.
However .....

Quote by Tania
On one hand I know he doesn't mean it badly - he's just phrased it badly.

..... how you can say the above statement confuses me. Do you know the original poster? How do you know he just 'phrased it badly' ? I'm sure reading his other posts on the subject, which back up his original misguided ideas, must confirm that he was indeed serious in the first place.
On that note I'll shut up before I say something to get me banned! :gagged:

8 Jul 2006

Now I never ask for this ever (well unless I want to get into the LTC) but is there any chance of this being locked as it is quite plain to see it's a wrong un and quite frankly it gives me the creeps. Call it a subject close to my heart if you so wish but either way it makes me feel a tad uneasy every time it pops up confused

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8 Jul 2006

hi den here, can i just say as a health professional, i find this so so wrong!!!!
Thought initially it was just a bit of a joke, but the attempts at justification are very disturbing.
how would you feel knowing your mum, wife, child, was being perved on by someone in a position of trust who is supposed to be helping them?
have your foot fetish all you like, but i think the whole issue of consenting adults having fun is different from preying on unsuspecting girls.
my opinion anyway!!

8 Jul 2006

I had a similar experience to Tania - while prodding my stomach, a liver specialist stared openly at my breasts for the duration of the examination. Humiliated, I didnt feel able to say anything because I was desperate for this man to find out what was wrong with me and cure me. I do think that this abhorrent behaviour is probably more common than we would like to believe.

9 Jul 2006

It seems this thread is going to develop like the fantasy thread as everyone has something valid to say.
For the record, after thinking long and hard about what happened with the anaesthetist (the name you apparently use for these people in English) I decided to talk to the surgeon about it as he was the one responsible for bringing me into that hospital and that guy is part of his team. I had lots of mental conversations with the surgeon in my head trying to sort out the words to use and it took me most of the night to do so. At this moment in time I am thinking that even if the surgeon gets offended by my complaints, it is better than he knows how I really feel even if he decides he does not want to give me the free follow up treatments that come with the care package. sad

14 Jul 2006

Just wanted to update you on my talk with the surgeon. He was taken aback with my allegations of professional misconduct from the part of the anaesthetist. I outlined everything that happened and he explained that as the chief anaesthetist it was up to him to verify that I was going to be safe under narcosis (anaesthesia) and the touching he did was just to feel my chest and see if the breathing tube could be inserted and alligned properly (because I am so fat and that causes problems). I felt like such a fool but pointed out that perhaps he should mention something to this guy so that next time he performs this kind of examination he forewarns his patiens and explains what is going on so they don't make more of it in their minds like I did.
I just wanted to share this with you so you are not left with the wrong impression. I hate being unfair to people and it seems in this case I have been unfair, so this is my way of setting the record straight.

14 Jul 2006

perhaps he should mention something to this guy so that next time he performs this kind of examination he forewarns his patiens and explains what is going on so they don't make more of it in their minds like I did.
Would seem 'good practice' to explain before he starts this particular procedure smile

14 Jul 2006

erm . . . maybe my sense of humour is way off, but i thought the initial post was a piss poor pigging joke! ((( a.k.a. bollox! ))) dunno

which bit of the foot refers to the foot? it's as old as the hills that one?
sure you dont mean As old as the HEELs