Refused Admission to Hotel!!!

6 Sep 2008

Quote by kentswingers777
Splendid is on the button with this without doubt. Our town used to quake when the Para's came through on masse on their way to or from somewhere else (with huge friggin headaches too i bet) but seriously they used to take the town apart pub by pub and by the time the county had assembled enough police to even attempt some sort of control the whirlwind had passed. The damage caused at times was in the least extreme and the behaviour likewise.
How about a dozen or more para's out of their box playing a game which involved them sh**ing on a table?? whats all that about eh? and in a restaurant part of a pub with kids present gross! Yeah, I know I was there, watching the parents trying to usher the kids out of the place, walking over carpets sounding like a shingle beach due to the amount of broken glass om it.
That doesn't happen nowadays why? because the pubs won't let them in. If the guy in th OP was genuine then thats a shame, of course it is but prevention is better and safer than cure. When the forces lads and lasses go out on a bender then the really only the forces should have to deal with it

Sorry lost but why do people choose to go way off tangent all the time? dunno

This thread was about ONE soldier looking for a bed for the night. Not a bunch of pissed up paras looking to destroy a hotel. Please keep things in perspective.
Now it had gone from a soldier to a gang of them. How things can move on from what was first talked about.
This is not off tangent, this is explaining the reason why certain hotels feel the need to have a policy that instructs their staff that the risks of doing business with certain groups is too high. Surely it is up to the business to decide who they wish to do business with, within the provisions of the law. It is clear from the proceeding discussion that there is at the very least a perceived issue with the recreational behaviour of the armed forces and therefore addressing this rather than blaming others would be the most positive course of action.

7 Sep 2008

Quote by pageboy
Splendid is on the button with this without doubt. Our town used to quake when the Para's came through on masse on their way to or from somewhere else (with huge friggin headaches too i bet) but seriously they used to take the town apart pub by pub and by the time the county had assembled enough police to even attempt some sort of control the whirlwind had passed. The damage caused at times was in the least extreme and the behaviour likewise.
How about a dozen or more para's out of their box playing a game which involved them sh**ing on a table?? whats all that about eh? and in a restaurant part of a pub with kids present gross! Yeah, I know I was there, watching the parents trying to usher the kids out of the place, walking over carpets sounding like a shingle beach due to the amount of broken glass om it.
That doesn't happen nowadays why? because the pubs won't let them in. If the guy in th OP was genuine then thats a shame, of course it is but prevention is better and safer than cure. When the forces lads and lasses go out on a bender then the really only the forces should have to deal with it

Sorry lost but why do people choose to go way off tangent all the time? dunno

This thread was about ONE soldier looking for a bed for the night. Not a bunch of pissed up paras looking to destroy a hotel. Please keep things in perspective.
Now it had gone from a soldier to a gang of them. How things can move on from what was first talked about.
This is not off tangent, this is explaining the reason why certain hotels feel the need to have a policy that instructs their staff that the risks of doing business with certain groups is too high. Surely it is up to the business to decide who they wish to do business with, within the provisions of the law. It is clear from the proceeding discussion that there is at the very least a perceived issue with the recreational behaviour of the armed forces and therefore addressing this rather than blaming others would be the most positive course of action.
Absolutely agree. It is up to the business to decide who and when they do business with.
As for squaddies. They are the salt of the earth. I have served with them, I have lived with them, I have worked with them and I have played with them.
However, they have a way of being "boys will be boys" attitudes when out and about, and that includes the girl squaddies. They have worked hard and they will play hard. To the squaddies it is a bit of harmless fun. When I was doing it, there was no malice or intent. Now seeing the exploits from a different side, it is not when you are exposed to it. It is a mindless set of yobs tearing the place down around your ears. There are fights, riots, damn right humdingers of a night. But all in the name of fun. If businesses want to protect themselves from this then they are entitled to do so, without any crititism from those that are not subjected to it. This is their right and they shuld protect their business anyway they see fit.
Do I hate squaddies? Hell no, I was one myself.
Do I understand squaddies? Yes because I used to do the same things.
Do I understand why the hotel chain banned all squaddies? Yes, absolutely.
Is it right? For the business in the short term. Bit of a piss off for the squaddie at the time but they will get over it.
I served all over the world and found that we were banned from diffent establishments. Did the squaddies cry about it? Did they feck, they moved onto another establishment that did accept them and carried the party on.
Dave_Notts
PS this may not make any sense at all as I am totally pished and can hardly see the screen. I have just got in from Alex's birthday bash and barely hanging on x x x x x x

7 Sep 2008

Quote by pageboy
Splendid is on the button with this without doubt. Our town used to quake when the Para's came through on masse on their way to or from somewhere else (with huge friggin headaches too i bet) but seriously they used to take the town apart pub by pub and by the time the county had assembled enough police to even attempt some sort of control the whirlwind had passed. The damage caused at times was in the least extreme and the behaviour likewise.
How about a dozen or more para's out of their box playing a game which involved them sh**ing on a table?? whats all that about eh? and in a restaurant part of a pub with kids present gross! Yeah, I know I was there, watching the parents trying to usher the kids out of the place, walking over carpets sounding like a shingle beach due to the amount of broken glass om it.
That doesn't happen nowadays why? because the pubs won't let them in. If the guy in th OP was genuine then thats a shame, of course it is but prevention is better and safer than cure. When the forces lads and lasses go out on a bender then the really only the forces should have to deal with it

Sorry lost but why do people choose to go way off tangent all the time? dunno

This thread was about ONE soldier looking for a bed for the night. Not a bunch of pissed up paras looking to destroy a hotel. Please keep things in perspective.
Now it had gone from a soldier to a gang of them. How things can move on from what was first talked about.
This is not off tangent, this is explaining the reason why certain hotels feel the need to have a policy that instructs their staff that the risks of doing business with certain groups is too high. Surely it is up to the business to decide who they wish to do business with, within the provisions of the law. It is clear from the proceeding discussion that there is at the very least a perceived issue with the recreational behaviour of the armed forces and therefore addressing this rather than blaming others would be the most positive course of action.
There the nail has been hit on the head. Because as it stated in the papers yesterday, had he been a gay soldier, or a black soldier they could not have refused entry. It is against the law to discriminate on the grounds of sex or colour so.... Had he of made an issue and said he was gay they would have had to give him a room. :shock:
So anytime anyone is stopped from going into a club or a hotel and they decline you entry, then say you are gay and that they cannot refuse you entry, watch them bend over backwards to give you the keys. And no there was no pun intended there. lol

7 Sep 2008

Quote by kentswingers777
There the nail has been hit on the head. Because as it stated in the papers yesterday, had he been a gay soldier, or a black soldier they could not have refused entry. It is against the law to discriminate on the grounds of sex or colour so.... Had he of made an issue and said he was gay they would have had to give him a room. :shock:
So anytime anyone is stopped from going into a club or a hotel and they decline you entry, then say you are gay and that they cannot refuse you entry, watch them bend over backwards to give you the keys. And no there was no pun intended there.

What a load of bollox.........not your post.........but what the papers say.
You are allowed to ban a tw@t from your establishment. If he turns out to be a black tw@t then the ban is because he is a tw@t, not that he is black. So the ban will stay. Same with being a gay tw@t......he will be banned for being a tw@t and not that he is gay.
So they are banning tw@ts and not on the basis of sexual orientation or colour.
Dave_Notts

8 Sep 2008

Quote by Dave__Notts
There the nail has been hit on the head. Because as it stated in the papers yesterday, had he been a gay soldier, or a black soldier they could not have refused entry. It is against the law to discriminate on the grounds of sex or colour so.... Had he of made an issue and said he was gay they would have had to give him a room. :shock:
So anytime anyone is stopped from going into a club or a hotel and they decline you entry, then say you are gay and that they cannot refuse you entry, watch them bend over backwards to give you the keys. And no there was no pun intended there.

What a load of bollox.........not your post.........but what the papers say.
You are allowed to ban a tw@t from your establishment. If he turns out to be a black tw@t then the ban is because he is a tw@t, not that he is black. So the ban will stay. Same with being a gay tw@t......he will be banned for being a tw@t and not that he is gay.
So they are banning tw@ts and not on the basis of sexual orientation or colour.
Dave_Notts
I am not being funny here, but really need an answer. Why cant people say the "twat " word anymore? dunno

8 Sep 2008

Quote by kentswingers777
I am not being funny here, but really need an answer. Why cant people say the "twat " word anymore?

I wondered why I wasn't laughing, but I didn't know we couldn't.
It's a toss up between "fuckwit" and "twat" as to which is my preferred description of a fuckwit/twat.

9 Sep 2008

Quote by Peanut

I am not being funny here, but really need an answer. Why cant people say the "twat " word anymore?

I wondered why I wasn't laughing, but I didn't know we couldn't.
It's a toss up between "fuckwit" and "twat" as to which is my preferred description of a fuckwit/twat.
Its just that on the radio they were obviously saying the word twat, but got round it by saying twit with an " a " . :shock:
Yet another word which people find offensive. Strange. cool

9 Sep 2008

I think I have lived my life in a cloud. I spent 3 years in the army and married into the army. I've lived in London, , Guildford and Aldershot in the UK around Army barracks and never seen some of the things described in this thread. Yes I have seen high spirits and I used to love going down town in Aldershot for a night out (all those men!) but never saw vulgarity, although I might have witnessed a few fights on the streets or by the train station.
With regards to the hotel and 'just one man'. He may have been getting a room for himself, but that does not mean that other squaddies might not have been joining him at the hotel and getting rooms of their own. It only takes a few to get drunk in the hotel bar and start causing havoc. As they can't distinguish who else might be booking in it is probably easier to just say 'no' to all.
Personally I think it would be better to take a 'high risk' deposit from anyone they deem to be a risk to their hotel financially and give them the money back the next day should everything be fine. This could include disturbing or upsetting other guests with unruly behaviour.
Reputation is very important in the hotel business, so you can understand that they would not want to get a reputation for having problems with guests. In the same vain the reputation of Army is equally important and high spirits should be kept for the naafi.

9 Sep 2008

going back to the fact he only had his forces id on him and every1 questioning him not having driving licence or passport with him did no1 consider the fact he might not have a driving licence not every1 rushes out at 17 and gets one and who carries round thier passport??? unless your off abroad of corse rolleyes

9 Sep 2008

Quote by bouncy332
going back to the fact he only had his forces id on him and every1 questioning him not having driving licence or passport with him did no1 consider the fact he might not have a driving licence not every1 rushes out at 17 and gets one and who carries round thier passport??? unless your off abroad of corse

Doesn't the army put you through the driving test these days as a matter of course?

9 Sep 2008

Quote by GnV
going back to the fact he only had his forces id on him and every1 questioning him not having driving licence or passport with him did no1 consider the fact he might not have a driving licence not every1 rushes out at 17 and gets one and who carries round thier passport??? unless your off abroad of corse

Doesn't the army put you through the driving test these days as a matter of course?
nope.

9 Sep 2008

Quote by splendid_
going back to the fact he only had his forces id on him and every1 questioning him not having driving licence or passport with him did no1 consider the fact he might not have a driving licence not every1 rushes out at 17 and gets one and who carries round thier passport??? unless your off abroad of corse

Doesn't the army put you through the driving test these days as a matter of course?
nope.
Maybe that's because you're just a girl. :roll:
bolt

10 Sep 2008

What a load of Bo11ox.
All this crap about squaddies are twats in groups etc..
It is simple. If he was a twat, ban him. If he (an individual, a citizen of this country, a bloke of x age) has not done anything wrong, then the establishment can't ban him for just his occupation!
I remember pubs that used to have signs up saying no squaddies, but that is illegal now. The crap about Harrods etc is fine. They have a set of rules for entry, and if you don't meet them then no entry. But the rules are based on legal considerations in sympathy with the establishment, e.g. a dress code, ect..
Now if this bloke tried to go in a hotel and break their rules, then fine. But I can’t remember any hotel publishing that if you wear green for a living you can be treated like a second class citizen.
As for his ID card, it is common practice to use it for IDENTIFICATION and yes, also to get a discount, as many chains offer servicemen a bit off. If he tried his luck, so what? This country is out to rip everyone off anyway, why not try to get a tenner knocked off.
Im sorry to rant on, but it pisses me off that people can try to justify blatant discrimination.
confused

10 Sep 2008

Quote by Suffolk-cpl
What a load of Bo11ox.
All this crap about squaddies are twats in groups etc..
It is simple. If he was a twat, ban him. If he (an individual, a citizen of this country, a bloke of x age) has not done anything wrong, then the establishment can't ban him for just his occupation!
I remember pubs that used to have signs up saying no squaddies, but that is illegal now. The crap about Harrods etc is fine. They have a set of rules for entry, and if you don't meet them then no entry. But the rules are based on legal considerations in sympathy with the establishment, e.g. a dress code, ect..
Now if this bloke tried to go in a hotel and break their rules, then fine. But I can’t remember any hotel publishing that if you wear green for a living you can be treated like a second class citizen.
As for his ID card, it is common practice to use it for IDENTIFICATION and yes, also to get a discount, as many chains offer servicemen a bit off. If he tried his luck, so what? This country is out to rip everyone off anyway, why not try to get a tenner knocked off.
Im sorry to rant on, but it pisses me off that people can try to justify blatant discrimination.

That is true and if you can get a bit of a discount then why not go for it?
I used to have a friend that was a copper and he was always flashing his warrant card if say we went to the cinema. They always used to let him in for free. Always nice to have someone like that on your premises.
In America, and that is what makes me sick about this country at times, they go overboard to help their servicmen and women. They get cheaper loans and home loans, and many other things. They are treated like heroes over there. Over here people frown down at them, people sneer at them, and people try to abuse them. A small percentage for sure, but even if it was only one person then that stinks to high hell.
The way I talk some would think I had been in the army, but I have not. I am just proud as punch when I see these men and women do their duties for US! cool

10 Sep 2008

Quote by Suffolk-cpl
What a load of Bo11ox.
All this crap about squaddies are twats in groups etc..
It is simple. If he was a twat, ban him. If he (an individual, a citizen of this country, a bloke of x age) has not done anything wrong, then the establishment can't ban him for just his occupation!
I remember pubs that used to have signs up saying no squaddies, but that is illegal now. The crap about Harrods etc is fine. They have a set of rules for entry, and if you don't meet them then no entry. But the rules are based on legal considerations in sympathy with the establishment, e.g. a dress code, ect..
Now if this bloke tried to go in a hotel and break their rules, then fine. But I can’t remember any hotel publishing that if you wear green for a living you can be treated like a second class citizen.
As for his ID card, it is common practice to use it for IDENTIFICATION and yes, also to get a discount, as many chains offer servicemen a bit off. If he tried his luck, so what? This country is out to rip everyone off anyway, why not try to get a tenner knocked off.
Im sorry to rant on, but it pisses me off that people can try to justify blatant discrimination.

It's a simple fact that "management reserves the right..." suffices.
Any private company has the legal right to deny access to their facilities for any reason they feel is appropriate.
The Sex Discrimination Act 1975 is predominantly for purposes of employment. There are some sections that deal with other types of discrimination. The crux of the matter though is that it's a civil offence rather than criminal and would require the complainant to sue the discriminator. The likelihood of that happening in this sort of thing is few and far between. Either way there is no law that says you can't discriminate against a squaddie or any other work group.
All in all the hotel were well within their legal rights to do as they did. Whether they were well within the realms of commonsense is quite another matter.

10 Sep 2008

Quote by Peanut
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It's a simple fact that "management reserves the right..." suffices.
Any private company has the legal right to deny access to their facilities for any reason they feel is appropriate.

So management can discriminate based on the actions of just a few...
OK, no Blacks, cos in the past a black man robbed them!
Or no Muslims, because in the past they have blown things up, or have a habit of crashing aircraft into the upper floors of the building.
I'm sure if that was their defence a court appearance wouldn't be far way!